So Basically Oberon : the OG True Pretender. Summer Bob : Pretending to read Chinese Liz : Pretending to be a Pretender Tlaloch : *intense mental gymnastics* Proto merlin: Pretending beast
Pretender - The Amogus Class Foreigner - The Ausländer Class Alter Ego - The Mental Disease Class Berserker - The Angry Class Mooncancer - The Tumor Class Avenger - The Angry Class, but different Ruler - Steel-Type Class Saber - The Ahoge Class Lancer - The Pointy Stick Class Archer - The Camper Class Caster - The Support Class Assassin - The Shit Class Rider - The Vehicle Class
@@jeffreyherrera5069seriously Kama, OLD man Li, Gramps, Jack, Legend, Koyan light, Kichii Hogen, Gray... there are soooo many impressive heroes in the class.
If that theory of the Lancer of Fate/Samurai Remnant not being Jalter, but rather Jeanne des Armoises, turns out to be true... Maybe we get her as a pretender.
Ok, hear me out... Pretender Arsene Lupin. He's THE master of disguises, so literally any servant we come across could end up being him or posing a him. His identity is basically an icognite
Oberon Vortigern might actually have some reference that exists, I say this because of the play “Vortigern and Rowena“, it’s a play of vortigern made by Shakespeare, but it is later discovered that the play was a hoax made by someone else, so in reality there was already a piece of vortigern pretending to be a character written by Shakespeare
Partoclus (if added) should be a Pretender as well, a low star servant, as he pretended to be Achilles during the Troyan war and his death spurred Achilles to continue fighting the Troyans
@@zipzapper0 And if actual Achilles is on the field with him upon death after usage of this NP, Achilles receives 2x non-removable guts (nonstackable), ATK and Crit up buff (3 turns), and 2 turn skill cooldown reduction.
The reason why Tenochtitlan contains Tlaloc and Huitzilopochtli inside of her, and why she is able to use their powers is because of the Huey Teocalli, more commonly known as the Templo Mayor. The Huey Teocalli was the biggest temple in all of Tenochtitlan, and it was also a temple that was dedicated to both of these gods.
I haven't even reached LB6 (just begun SIN), so I don't know if that actually happens, but from what I've heard, most Pretenders disguise themselves as good guys/positive figures. That's why I would love to see a Pretender who, for one reason or another, impersonated an Evil being, even though they themself are good.
Another example of Pretender Class is Lelouch from Code Geass. Lelouch has an Alter Ego named Zero, but when Lelouch "died", Suzaku pretend to be Zero, that way Zero will be 'alive', so, Suzaku will be a Pretender.
Ok hear me out, Alternate universe where after the 5th HGW Shirou goes on to become the 2nd Magus killer, but only goes by Emiya, so everyone just assumes that hes Kiritsugu, thus becoming a pretender of his dad
I think it would be so cool if we could get Titania as a servant. But here's the twist, Titania is so angry that Oberon forget her (well he says that she doesn't exist so i feel like it's close enough) that the master has to essentially play couple therapist to help the two's love life. I would like it if she likes nag him and oberon is like the henpicked husband near her. I would find that hilarious
I've said in reddit before they announced knoc as the welfare that it would had been real funny if the welfare was actually Blanca in a human form as a pretender class being called Titania.
@@Danothyus1 XD ok that made me laugh. I would love it even more if the reasoning why Blanca was pissed that Oberon yeeted him so he became titania JUST TO spite Oberon
I would kill for a Pretender class Sejanus. He was almost like an Emperor of Rome during Tiberius’s regime. And was kinda responsible for the downfall of the Julio-Claudian dynasty.
A Pretender I'd actually like to see would be Titania-Blanca ;; if they ever do another batch of low star fp gacha servants, but with extra classes, she should be one of them
For proto merlin its explained later: (if she reveals she is from merlin from another timeline she would get kicked out of the timeline cause there is already a merlin in this timeline that’s why she is pretending to be someone else) for Eliza becoming a pretender, during a fight Eliza and xi jin , they were mortally wounded and both their saint graphs were damaged so they decided to fuse into one as such Eliza is the one that maintained the complete personality but also carries the name of the other servant and some of his abilities.
Should probably be mentioned with Lady Avalon, although it is small, Merlin does actually have a sister in myth, Ganeida. I say small since outside of modern arthurian stories, the only round table affiliates she interacts with is Merlin and Taliesin and she doesn't pop up much. Some notable things with her however is that she restored Merlin from madness at some point (Berserker Dick Wizard can exist and that's kinda scary), constructed a house with 72 doors and windows to help Merlin's clairvoyance, is by admission by Merlin a better clairvoyant than him, and... convinced God to let her and Merlin into heaven after rescuing him from whatever punishment usually befalls him... also a bit of a bro-con and from being actually half-succubi cheated on her king husband behind his back till he died. So essentially, she's either so obscure that no one realized Merlin actually does have a younger twin sister or she just doesn't exist in Fate/ since she'd break stuff. Though this is Fate/ and retcons and re-explanations are abundant, so if they realize she exists or want to use her... I wouldn't be surprised at a clarification on Pretender Proto Merlin's status and how Merlin is actually able to be a Servant, even confusing him.
Hephaestion is really a Faker, but since that's not a Class in FGO, they pulled in some BS excuse to change the Class. (Also, we should totally get Pretender Benkei and Pretender Patroclus. I mean, seriously.)
7:50 I don't think you remember this properly then. Eliza saber is the only actual fusion(from lancer and caster). Technically rider eliza is one too, but this is more about her being split in 2 of her rider self in first place. Normal eliza(lancer) was just helping shishin against the enemy (lancer eliza a good girl at heart after all even if she absolutely hate being identified as such, and yes specifically her lancer version) and they both got defeated. Shijin then fused with eliza in order for her to complete his work(the creation of mount liang) and that s how we got this pretender. Pretender eliza is literally just eliza pretending to be shishin. In her my room line, she literally want you to play pretend making mount liang with her The only the reason for her being a little kid is probably, or at least the way her profil describ it, how the fusion triggered some sort resurection. Also lastly, pretender could also be attributed to the fact that shishin is pretending to not be himself when in fact he is actually the dragon staff eliza uses as weapon, is 100% sentient and can talk but choose to only talk to her. Eliza does confirm the staff is really him but want to keep it a secret Also lastly her only solution against "bad guys" aka any form of bully is actually murder because she hate them from the deep of her heart. I don't know if the real shishin is that violent but this eliza does absolutely want to go for murder and, while she like singing, she doesn't have any interest about becoming an idol at all due to her obsession with making mount liang whenever she can.
I still can't figure out if Benkei should’ve been a Pretender or not, because we know he's not the real Benkei but also if I remember right he never did deeds in Benkei's name and just spread the word about him. But he still imitated him by collecting the weapons of the people he defeated. It bothers me way more than it should!
well, pretenders can manifest as other classes too not all pretender candidates have to be summon as pretender. like haefestion sister also can be summon as caster
@arkaua idk about that, when the game first released there was a huge datamine of characters that weren't released until many years later. A lot of Servants were planned out WAY in advance so I have no reason to believe Nasu didn't come up with Pretenders until after the game launched, unless he has explicitly said so somewhere and I'm unaware of it.
@@purelysmetalnightcore Afaik for majority of the extra class servants, if they were summoned in a normal HGW they will be summoned as one of 7 standard class.
According to Holmes, Pretenders make their mark on history through lies and deception. It was through this line of thinking that I'm thinking of making a Servant design for Aaron Burr as a Pretender. Sure, he's known for his duel with Hamilton, and was put on trial for treason, but he was still considered a founding father of America with some positive accolades, and some of the records of the aforementioned two major offenses vary wildly. I think that his nebulous characterizations as both hero and villain might still put him in the Pretender class.
This is unlikely, but I think it would be neat to have Maid Marian from Robin Hood myth as a pretender. Although she does have disguises and name changes in myth, I would prefer to see a version where she “pretends” to be Robin Hood. In some versions of the story, Maid Marian and Robin Hood fight in disguises, and Maid Marian wins, so we know she has skill of her own. It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch for Fate to say some of Robin Hood’s heists were actually done by Maid Marian. In fact, it could be that they were working together, and Robin Hood got most of the credit. Our Robin Hood states that he is only one version of what Robin Hood could be, so again, Maid Marian as pretender could prove this point. All this being said, a highly doubt Fate will do this. Even if they do Maid Marian, she’ll probably be a phantom or something in a quest. Note: I looked up Maid Marian after writing this, and apparently, she’s an Archer in whatever Fate/Chaos Revival is. I have never heard of that tbh, but the wiki said that just like Robin Hood, Maid Marian has multiple versions so maybe we could get a summer form?
Nice video as always, however, I think that the class skill of Pretenders is giving people who try to rationalize their existence a headache. And the less said about the Faker class, the better.
Still hope one day we get some famous pretenders from history like (one of the three)False Dimitri(s) or maybe even a Pretender Anastasia (Anna Anderson).
Now that we got "Hephaistion" in NA, I think I understand what the pretender class is meant to be. (This trend probably breaks with the future pretenders but I'm avoiding spoilers) a pretender is a servant that is actively using the saint graph of another. Vortigern was summoned in the servant body of Oberon, and "Hephaistion" is basically Mnemosyne with only Faker's memories.
If I recall correctly Proto Merlin is supposed to become the Beast of the Stars while normal Merlin is the Beast of the planet, also apparently Baobhan Sith's entire personality is just a front used to protect herself, another possible reason for being a pretender
Sorry it’s long Would be cool if we get beast costume proto merlin also could you do a theory on what beast Merlin’s abilities would be or talk about the crypters Also I don’t think proto merlin in a sense is already a beast It’s stated that she like male Merlin is a candidate for grand caster just that she would most likely reject the call to be summoned (so either if male Merlin can’t be grand caster she’s next or she was the next grand caster but overall said no giving it to male Merlin) another theory is that she was the real grand caster (since her speed chanting is at EX level, this might also give a reason as to why she could be a beast since she is the only one to be in this rank and it could be that either it’s isolating for her or that it’s a power up due to being a beast) Though this is a weird possible reason but when you look at the other swimsuit summer servants only proto merlin to only have one swimsuit ascension and goes back to looking like a normal servant
The idea of Baobhan becoming Cernunnos' new priestess is fitting and makes me smile. Both got a raw deal at the hands of Faerie Britain, so it's nice that at least with Chaldea they get a chance together at a happier existence.
Hang on a damn second... If my brain isnt fried from hours of work then watching this. Is Mash (who has larped Galahad for a while) a candidate for the Pretender class?
I'm 99% sure bao actually was the priestess in LB6. That's why she was continually revived by Morgan rather than becoming part of the land. If she became part of the land, Cernunnos would be able to revive immediately because her spirit would be part of him. Also could be part of the reason she used magecraft at all despite not needing to.
Okay but by the logic of the class, wouldn't Robin Hood be a strong contender? Since both historians and fate itself implies that Robin Hood was a mantle and not just one historical figure?
So that's why he never truly helps out at full capacity it's because he knows he can turn into a beast by doing so so he's basically like Gandalf and the five wizards in Lord of the Rings if they use more than a certain amount of their power they'll turn evil
Personally I'm waiting for them to introduce Angelica Ainsworth as a Gilgamesh Pretender. It'd be the perfect reason to have another Prisma Illiya event, even if she's just the welfare servant It'd still be good to see her be added since to me it'd make sense to have her as pretender.
@@yesman7675there are many servants who could potentially be shielder though. Son of Atalante ( forgot his name), Athena, Lakshmi etc... Heck Mash actually got Athena Klironomia in LB5.
With all the conspiracy theories surrounding the Iron Mask, I think this guy could be a candidate for Pretender class. Another could be August Derleth, the man who helped H.P Lovecraft work to come to the public consciousness and shape pop culture, while adding various elements to the Cthuluh mythos like more benevolent figures. Enough for the normies to not tell which were his additions, like Cthugha.
