Not sure if you'll see this as I realise I am late to the party but a few questions - How do groups work with the four main mixes? If I have a drum group, and go sends on fader for one of the main mixes, if I turn up the individual drum tracks, would this bypass the drum group (like turning on the main LR switch on an analogue desk)? More generally, now you've had it a while, how are you getting on? Do new team members find it impossible to use, or is it pretty straightforward once you have your workflow planned out? Thanks!
@@stephenevans2518 I imagine that you can send individual channels to your main mixes independently of the group. However, I’m not sure how the Wing handles delay compensation so I’d probably avoid that to be safe. Here’s a video showing what I mean on the X32 - m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dAoiGeSdH2s.html We don’t have a ton of volunteers rotating on the Wing at the moment but those that are on it seems to be really enjoying it. I usually have to get involved when they start adding instruments because we have a pretty intricate audio network but, other than that, it’s been a great experience for the other operators :) -Chad
@@AWTechTuesday Great, thank you for the quick response! To clarify I wouldn't want to send the channels via the group and directly at the same time, I am just trying to work out how likely it can be done by accident. Do you bother with the whole source naming thing? I couldn't see the point when I first heard about it, but then I reckon it could be handy if you can name it something that corresponds with the socket on stage
@@stephenevans2518 so, I’m 50/50 on that. When everything is labeled correctly, I love it. And the wing allows you to name sources from the channel strip and vice versa. However, when something changes and now the names are mismatched, it becomes very hard to focus on what you’re doing and it’s easy to make errors. So, if I’m going to reroute my inputs, I will often go through and strip all the names first so I don’t get confused by the old assignments.
@@AWTechTuesday I don't think I explained what I meant, I totally agree that naming the sources as guitar, bass etc is likely to be a pain if you change anything, I was more thinking if you have multiple stageboxes on stage, you can name one A and the other B or something and then use the source names to make it more clear exactly which XLR it is on the stage. We have quite different bands each week, and I have tended to keep sources to channels on the X32 and just rename it to what gets plugged in, but with the Wing it seems easier to have consistent channels, and then name the sources as what XLR it is on stage, so you can easily patch something to the right channel
Thank you for this video. My church will be getting our new Wing this weekend. I am super excited. We will have the Wing as FOH and the x32 as studio mix. We have a lot of work ahead of us this weekend!
29:43 - I agree with your advice about not removing channels from the stock channel banks (customizing is best left to the user groups)... however, it IS possible to quickly select a channel that is currently unassigned. This can be done by accessing the Meter function, then tapping on the channel you want to manipulate. This will then call the stock group of channels to appear on the middle section of the mixer. Still not idea, but faster than editing a bank to manually add in a missing channel.
This was amazing. I didnt mind the long video. The only ish i got about this right now for my local church is we have the budget for a digital stage snake and this worsens that situation.
This is an excellent overview. I hope Behringer is watching and taking notes. I would be interested in an overview of recording a live performance on an SD card (for virtual soundcheck). I currently do this with the X32, and guess the option is available on the Wing. I wish the SD card was easier to reach (it’s on the back of the X32). Thanks again !
Mmm. Good point. I didn’t think about the location of the cards. I’m grateful they didn’t do like presonus and replace the top USB connection with the SD card slot.
You can route multiple sources to channels using the multi-fader icon in between input and output icons in the routing section. This wasn’t covered in your video. They added it in a recent firmware (1.05 or 1.06).
The best video about WING can be found on internet. Couldn't teke my eyes of for even a single second. Thanx for taking time on this videos. Can we use WAVES plugins and a regular Multirack app on a desktop with this mixer for Live situation with changing the insert point that is not gonna affect or cause issue to monitor/in-ear mixes? I hope you got my point.
Sunny Shohortoli Off the top of my head, the only ways to do that would be 1- if you only had a few channels you were trying to process, you could use the external FX insert and send a tap point before the insert to the monitor mixes. However, there is a limited number of these available. 2- if you have enough channels to double patch, you could for example send an unprocessed vocal to the monitors on one channel and patch the processed audio to a second channel. Again, you are limited by your number of channels in this instance.
that console seems to be a bit of overkill for a personal mixer. a good 24 channel analog mixer like midas and a high res 24 channel audio interface will be much more inspiring. you can insert one daw channel per mixer channel and do all the dsp in the puter. then you are much more flexible for future dsp upgrades and IT WILL SOUND A LOT BETTER. thats studio use of course and a lot less channels.
Not sure if he has the early version firmware (probably does) but doesn’t this have the ability to customize the SOF Flip to go between flashing and steady orange light? Same thing where a couple of guys were complaining about the “slow fader speed”. Not sure if they realized that that was also programmable as well, between Slow, Medium, and Fast. Anyways, great review! My church got one to replace our x32 and i love this thing. Don’t know why people hate the “inputs are sources”. I thought DiGiCo and SSL did that stuff
Great, honest video. Thanks for the time to review this. 4 Months later, are you still enjoying this desk? Are they releasing firmware updates to fix issues/improve? I'm just concerned with the lack of information/accessories Behringer actually provide on their website. Like no manual!!! Or no offline editor. Has the ghosting become more of an issue? Thanks again.
David Simas There’s no Waves Card yet so we’re only using plugins at the Broadcast Wing. We’re using the usb card to pass channels from FOH to the broadcast iMac and then from the iMac back to the channels of the broadcast wing. We also have a DN9630 AES50 to USB converter to create a second USB connection for the purpose of multitrack record and virtual soundcheck.
KOKE MAN I haven’t done a side-by-side comparison with the X32 in real time but I will say that we replaced an M32 with the Wing in a room that has always sounded good but the first time we played a live drum kit through the Wing in there, it felt like it was just another level. Maybe it was just my ears had relaxed or some tricks I’ve learned along the way since when we set up the M32. Maybe it’s the enhanced DSP available on the Wing, but it sounded pretty spectacular for a first mix. I was really happy with it :)
If you expand the channel count by routing multiple sources to a stereo input, can you control the monitor sends and volume independently? Or is designed to let you double a source without burning a fader?
Hey Andy! There’s a balance control but no, that’s not really what it’s made for. Practical example - we are using 6 stereo channels - overheads, keys 1, keys 2, tracks, aux, and video. That’s 12 inputs but only 6 channels. I therefore have 6 extra channels available that can also be mono or stereo. I also left a blank channel after Keys 2 so, if we don’t need stereo but would rather have a second instrument, we can break up those inputs across 2 mono channels instead of 1 stereo. -Chad
Very nice video-Thanks. What firmware where you using when filming this? Currently I'm on 1.07.2. 16 DCA available. It's so exciting to see the huge leaps they bring with every firmware update. Regarding "Block Select" 33:40 - You CAN select blocks of channels/bus/dca and drag'n'drop all at once.
Ascension Worship - #TechTuesday I would like to show you a video I made, not sure how to attach it here. Find me on Facebook WING groups Baba Z Buerger.
We just picked up a Wing recently. We've got the basics up and running however we are working on our broadcast mix. I noticed in the video that that the label is BCAST-TB. We are trying to figure out the best way to send broadcast audio out to our PTZ camera. In our setup for streaming we run the audio into the camera so we don't have to worry about syncing later.Right now I'm running audio out of Aux8 on the Wing and straight into the camera. On our recording in OBS there is a hiss that can be heard - the louder the volume, the louder the hiss. I'm wondering how you have your Wing set up for broadcasting and do you send the audio to another mixer for the broadcast.
Crossroads Community Church Lompoc At the church we just installed two Wings at, one is for Front Of House and one is for Broadcast. The final audio comes out of the Wing into a video switcher. -Chad
I do have another question how do I change the channel it self from post to pre fader? I don’t want my fader adjustment in my broadcast bus! Thank you!!
I don’t have a Wing in front of but I think it’s: Select the channel, press the Home button, click on the Sends tab. In the sends page, you should be able to select the Tap Point for each bus. Change the send to the broadcast bus to be post or subgroup and you should be good to go :)
It seems like a great console but it's very disappointing how few XLR inputs and outputs it has compared to the X32. Have the firmware updates helped with any of your issues? I'd love to see demos of many of the effects.
Made In Machines The low number of I/O on the actual desk isn’t that crazy. Most installs I’m involved with these days include a digital snake on stage anyway. Usually, if anything other than a talkback is being plugged in at the mixer, it’s maybe a rack of wireless mics. If that’s the case, Behringer has a nice range of small digital snakes that can be plugged in at FOH for just such purpose. The effects are great. The DSP processing is a major step up compared to the X32. Really impressed with the console overall. The biggest initial issue I had was with the screen randomly clicking things. Turns out that there’s an early run of mixers with that issue. We caught it early and our distributor swapped us out a new one. All good now :) -Chad
@@AWTechTuesday Should be safe to buy one now with no screen issues now. Do you get any noticeably latency that needs compensation when using the inbuilt premium effects or when using analog outboard effects? Does it auto compensate? I think this mixer could be great for my home studio but it also seems extremely complex - maybe too much. Do you know how the effects compare to A&H SQ or Yamaha / Soundcraft? Thanks Chad
Made In Machines This mixer is great for live use. I think I would go a different direction for studio. I’d rather have these EQ and compressor options in a DAW rather than on my console. Otherwise, they’re useful for monitor mixes but not so much for mixing and mastering unless you want to go old school and bounce down in real time. If you want a desk with local I/O, nice pre-amps, and a mix engine for monitor mixes, I’d probably look at something like an M32. Pair that with a powerful computer with some Waves plugins and you’ll be in a good spot :)
How are you using Waves plugins without the WSG expansion card being released for the Wing? We bought a Wing, but are still using our X32 because we recently purchased the WSG server and are using Waves Tune. The Wing is still just sitting in the box waiting on the release of the expansion card. Please help...?
David Meek Hey David! We are using Waves plugins on the Broadcast console by using the built in USB Card. I’m not super concerned with latency at that position since the end user is getting a delay on everything anyway. With that in mind, I’m running a very high buffer setting so as to not overwork the computer we’re running there. If you want to do the same at FOH, if you get a powerful enough computer and are careful about which plugins you use, it can be done. We did it with an X32 for a camp a few years back with no issues - m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-whHv6l6sxSE.html
Haha. Despite my greasy fingers, that is not the cause of the ghosting. It seems to be a hardware issue. We purchased 2 Wings. 1 had issues and the other was perfectly fine. Our distributor replaced the defective one and we’ve been good ever since :) -Chad
Thanks for the video, very helpful👍. Do you know if the 4 mains/masters can be routed into each other? And to see if I understand correctly; only the busses 1-8 route into each other?
Danny Arends No, the mains cannot be sent to one another however, they can be sent to the Matrices to be blended together there. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Chad
You can route any of the 16 mix busses to the first 8. So if you have your FX on the second 8 and your IEMs on 1-8, then you can send the FX bus to the IEM and to the main outs without using up a channel (or aux channel) for the FX return.
Andy Perrigo Hey Andy! I don’t know of a way to transfer settings from an X32 to a Wing. I do, however, have a video that shows how to set up the FX on the Wing to be more like that of the X32. Hopefully that will help :) m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J5IMTnpTjro.html
That would probably work so long as you’re looking at the bus masters. Otherwise, you can select a bus master and go to the Sends tab on the screen. From there you will see busses 1-8 and matrices 1-8 and can adjust levels there as well. Good question. Thanks for posting! -Chad
It was a question of interest thank you, as we are about to install a Wing and it will be ON for 6 hours a day, 6 days a week as it will be running the music around our worship complex all week. Thank you for your quick reply.
Thank you Chad. i will take that recommendation on board. One more question if I may. Can you assign the same Source to two different input channels on the Wing?. We find we need to adjust settings at the moment on the analogue board when using a wireless microphone depending on weather it is used as a lapel mic, or a headset mic. Can we for example assign the Source to Input Channel 1 and set gate etc it for lapel performance, and then assign the same Source to Input Channel 2, and adjust its gate etc settings for headset performance? Or do we have to continue to split the source input before it gets to the mixer? I hope that makes sense, I am not an audio techky. Thank you, Warren
@@warrengreenwood2246 Hey Warren! Yes, you can definitely double-patch. The only double-patch you cannot do is to have a source be mono for one channel and stereo or m/s for another. This is not an issue for the example you listed, though :) -Chad
Great question. I believe so. I’ll have to confirm. However, I do not suggest this technique since the Wing, unfortunately, does not have a crossfade options for changing scenes. Hopefully that would get added in the future. (Hopefully) Thanks for watching and commenting! -Chad
@@AWTechTuesday totally. We would be using them to quickly change scenes. We have a Presonus SL32sx right now, but it is very slow and sluggish (like 2-4 seconds to actually switch scenes). I know the A&H SQ7 is super fast, but I don't like the navigation and setup, it's routing especially is just dated. I'm considering returning our SL32SX for the wing, but the guys I'm training are not tech savvy in regards to AV and if i could configure physical button scene navigation then that would be perfect. Thanks for your awesome review and getting back to my question. Super appreciate your labor in this, especially since I can't demo stuff at Guitar Center right now due to covid.
Great suggestion. Until that time, there is some very useful information available here, some of which nah m also translate to the Wing. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dAoiGeSdH2s.html
@@AWTechTuesday I was wondering on the wing if you can do traditional parallel compression because of the processing power. I did notice it has the mix knob on all the compression plugins not only the wing plugin. Also can you use the input delay feature to compensate from latency when doing parallel compression with the compressor emulators? Have a lot a questions before purchasing the wing for studio use. Seems like the future for counsels especially if all the compressor and eq emulations are as good as everyone is saying.
True ch count is 40...screen Ghosting (even during your video) / ghost fader movements / no delay output without hitting a bus..no dedicated effects returns ( eats channels)...bad fader feel ( not even m32 quality). Copy paste functionality and library issues Got it.
HMMM... seems you just want to hate on the board. True usable channel count is actually closer to 96. The 8 channels that you don't have the limiter etc, would be what you would use for music feeds that you control, like the internal USB player and maybe a spotify or youtube feed where you don't need as much control. No ghost clicks on my unit and no ghost fader movements or on the video either. with 96 channels. The faders feel perfectly fine, certainly not bad. I have no issues with copy paste functionality or the library. BTW M32 costs $5,000... Wing costs $3,500. Check out the reviews after the v1.7 has been installed.
