Being Gay And HIV Positive In Indonesia | THE VOICELESS #25 

Thanks Acep for sharing! You have a beautiful soul.

@@me12x thank you :)

I appreciate it man !

You’re doing a great thing spreading awareness like this. I wish you all the best

Trus berjuang bang. Agar lebih baik dan berkembang lg penerimaan thd kaum gay dan mencegah diskriminasi thdp penderita HIV di indonesia. Sy hidup dari tahun 80an yg ngeliat sendiri 1 keluarga dari penderita HIV diusir dr kampung bahkan sampai kenalan atau kawan2nya kena getahnya. Setidaknya skrg lbh baik. Bukan baik ya....lbh baik dr jaman saya kecil dl😥

Achieve hell

@@danielfazlan4769 why gay mariage would be the end of times ? It is like, two people loving each other.

Jeannine _ Any civilization that accepts decadence as a way of life is doomed to fail

@@danielfazlan4769 if you see gay mariage as a decadence, then I have nothing to say, it makes me sad

@@danielfazlan4769 your talk is so exaggerated you should consider a doctor. So two people loving is the end of the world for you?lol it sounds so ridiculous

Hey alright But in the context of what this guy went through I’m sure he needed a friend that had his back

Real POSITIVE

The only friend I have in my life is me, myself, and I. Other people, I can't trust.

@@YourBetterOffBlack Are you sure? Are you HIV positive?

I would be really depressed if the first doctor I meet after getting an HIV positive test tells me he hates gay people. That's just a horrible thing to go through. I don't know how Acep found the inner strength to go through this kind of experiences. Bless him.

I'm sorry you lost your brother.

@@ziffulmyer thank you. At least I'm glad he doesn't have to be in this cruel world anymore.

@@RendyRuban I hope he is in Heaven

@@AmeliaPond1994 thank you my friend. Bless you and I wish you health and succese. Much love and respect!

Dude omg, so sad

Yeah the big medias here won't ever do this, never ever forever...

@@muh.awaluddin7893 those big medias are earning their livings in Indonesia, if the conservative bigots got mad over them, it'd obstruct their income and impede their career, it makes sense if they want to play safe

@@bud384 and that's why i said that

Shannen Doherty (Beverly Hills 90210, Charmed) credits her cancer to being able to see who her true friends are. I have a similar experience with my family and relatives, most of whom weren’t there for me when I fell ill. Having enough friends to be able to separate the true ones from fake ones is another story. Because of my long battle with illness since a young age, it wasn’t easy for me to make friends in the first place. But currently I have more friends than I’ve had before, so I’m trying to be hopeful.

@@GodlyEddy I totally agrees with you. Some people coming out praising him for coming out but they don't know who God really is.

@@teniellegister3243 who is god ?

Wind S God hates blks

@@GodlyEddy god isn't real. shut up.

SkankHunt42 yes !

Yes.. The Guy's sister who transmitted hiv find his contact n tell him that her bro just passed away. She tell him that she was sorry and try to keep in touch with him during the treatment.. You can find on his RU-vid channel.. He told all the stories

Most of people being part of LGBT and living with HIV+ in Indonesia being afraid of their people and religion . And HIV+ is like a huge issues in Indonesia . So that’s hard for they to confess to their fam even their selves

Not surprising. This actually happens everywhere, including the USA unfortunately.

Burnt Sage yes but the US is kinda accepting compared to others places people get disowned, thrown out, etc.

He shouldn't be scared of the stigma, he should be worried about Hell and judgment day

@@Hoz-vk3sg Which is ficition? Which is reality?

@@Hoz-vk3sg You're anyway going to hell. Enjoy!

@@Hoz-vk3sg You're not God and you can't decided whether he's going to hell or heaven.

@@Hoz-vk3sg people like you are the problem in the workd today. Believe what you want, leave people like me out of it.

Because most comments here are in english, not Indonesians U can make a barrier that separate Indonesian who can speak other language and Indonesian who only speak Bahasa, and that barrier is called "education" It's sad, but it's true :'(

@@axisbreaker5892 honestly, yes.

Most Indonesian would already shout in the comment about hell's waiting for him, sad truth

The "barbaric" one won't watch asian boss

@@axisbreaker5892 ah yes, speaks multiple language= smort

Lesther Lumbo hhaha mee

Me

Thankz for the likes♥️

@@lestherlumbo7248 you're welcome

ME!.👍

i got it from my mom lol she told me everything, she even told me about urethra insertion etc etc:v

Our school actually got it

@@asari9731 is it a public school?

@@jacobamarjan2325 technically its private we had some people from an orginization come in and teach us

ilove2929 good friends don't judge? Even if you do wrong? woah I won't be friends with someone like that.. 😂

@@neayne1865 true 😂😂

*I R O N I C*

@@redashura9255 why ironic? Kita harus mengamalkan pancasila dlm kehidupan sehari²sebagai masyarakat indonesia bukan? Jelas sila pertama pancasila adlh "ketuhanan yg maha esa". Jdi jgn heran agama, budaya, tradisi hrs melekat dlm dri org Indonesia.

@@izzatimillahhanifah530 Mbak ini hanya pandangan saya jadi jangan terlalu dianggap serius. Bilapun ada kata yang menyinggung sekalipun, saya minta maaf. Tapi kalau boleh jujur, banyak masyarakat di negara kita ini lebih condong Homogen ketimbang Pluralisme. Meski banyak terporet sisi Pluralismenya, tetap ada sebagian wilayah yang memandang kalau suatu adat yg bukan budaya mereka perlu dipermasalahkan. Sebagai contoh, ada beberapa wilayah yang melarang perayaan Natal yang padahal ada penduduk disana yang beragama kristen dan mereka memiliki hak untuk merayakannya dirumah mereka masing-masing. Namun, kenapa mereka malah diberi kesulitan dalam hal beragama ? Padahal dalam Pancasila sendiri itu Sila Pertamanya ialah "Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa". Apa karena mereka berbeda kepercayaan ? berbeda ajaran ? berbeda Tuhan ? Kenapa mereka (Pemerintah Setempat) seenaknya melarang ?. Apa itu "Keadilan Sosial Bagi Seluruh Rakyat Indonesia" apabila masih ada tindakan Diskriminasi yang dilakukan oleh beberapa wilayah di Indonesia ? Saya banyak melihat Minoritas yang bukan Muslim merasa terbebani dalam melakukan peribadatan mereka. Tidak diizinkan membuat tempat ibadah, dilarang beribadah di rumah secara pribadi maupun bersama kerabat, tidak boleh merayakan suatu peringatan keagamaan, dll. Bukannya hal ini jelas mengekang Hak mereka sebagai Warga Negara NKRI ? Konservatif boleh saja. Asal jangan kebablasan. Saya sangat jenuh dengan tindakan oknum-oknum yang merampas kebebasan saudara-saudari kita yang selalu terbebani dalam urusan agama mereka. Saya berharap kedepannya, masyarakat kita ini bisa "LEBIH" bijak dan tidak seenaknya mengekang ibadah orang lain. Mayoritas selalu menindas Minoritas. Sepertinya itu sifat alami manusia sejak Peradaban Pertama kita sebagai Makhluk yang berakal. Atas nama Penguasa, Negara, bahkan Tuhan sekalipun kita akan membenarkan tindakan kita meski hal itu sangatlah tercela. Mau di Benua Asia, Afrika, Eropa, dan Amerika sekalipun tetap saja hal tersebut akan terus terulang. Sebuah Siklus yang tidak akan pernah terputus. Intinya ketika membicarakan soal Kemanusiaan, Ketuhanan, bahkan Budaya sekalipun haruslah terbuka juga. Jangan karena mereka berbeda malah ditindas. Banyak dari Kaum Konservatif diluar sana condong beraliran Sayap-Kanan dan hal ini berujung pada persoalan Rasialisme dan lain-lain. Nurani dan Akal ada untuk menyeimbangkan mana yang benar dan salah.

@@redashura9255 Saya hampir nangis sih baca komentar Anda, saking setujunya saya. Kadang orang atau masyarakat yang mengaku paling siap dengan perbedaan dan keberagamaan justru mereka yang paling tidak siap. Eropa? Amerika? India? Indonesia? Semua sama-sama mengaku Pluralis dan Beradab, but ironically they're (and also us) not... Mas/mbaknya Minoritas yang tertindas kah? Kalau iya, saya sebagai bagian dari masyarakat ingin mohon maaf yang sebesar-besarnya yaa.. :'(

@@khairulbasyir Nah saya Mayoritas. Sebagai seorang Jawa dan Muslim, saya sudah muak dengan Diskriminasi Sosial di Negara kita. Btw, saya pria.

Jangan nyalahin ke pendidikan negara semua dong kan indon negara beragama jd sex bebas ganti2 pasangan tdk boleh, yg salah itu orang ny, zaman dlu aj tdk bnyak atau tdk ada sama sekali penyakit HIV di indon,.

Agama? Yang salah orangnya bukan agamanya

@@kuroizana ganyambung, coba baca lagi deh diatas, dia ga nyalahin agama.

@@fajaranshari8823 coba baca lagi deh komen diatas dengan seksama, lagian hiv emang virus yg baru muncul juga.

@@finh3052 baru nya kapan nih? Kalo 1-10 tahun itu baru, tp 20 tahun ke atas itu lama nama ny

Eloy I think the stigma of HIV and aids in general is "bad”. Many have misconceptions, even in the West! I live in Germany and even though Germany may seem “modern” in thinking, there are many who discriminate gay people and those who are HIV positive. I totally get your point and I don’t try to invalidate it as I think you’re right.

well just think about when you may have the disease that can never cure, that's alone enough to make to stay away

@@daviddinh6341 Among all the diseases that can not be cured, being HIV positive is still facing much more serious discriminations and isolations. I think the reason is HIV is by many people associated with promiscuity.

Yep

Yes there is stigma mostly because it is a STD. But mostly people just fear of getting infected. Like the hiv virus can spread through blood, so imagine if an infected person has a little bit of normal cut which isn't even visible could still spread it. A small rash could still spread. So I'd say more than the stigma people just fear of getting infected.

Apa itu agama? Lu hanya menilai dari sisi subjektif

@@smileyheart74 iya kebanyakan orang indo itu g objective

Kan katanya pancasila harus diterapkan dlm kehidupan sehari², jelas²sila pertama pancasila adlh ketuhanan yg maha esa. Jdi jgn heran klw agama dibawa²dlm hal apapun di Indonesia

Heram gue, kadang capek liat orang orang mabok agama sampe mengesampingkan logika. Padahal mah kudu seimbang

@@hohhobiyum1743 apakah agama tidak berlogika? Disini saya gidak menjudge siapapun, tp makanya mengapa sex diluar nikah dilarang dalam agama? Jawabannya kalo bukan untuk kebaikan kita sendiri, karena dibalik sex Yg ga aman bisa berbahaya buat kita. Logika ga?

Not everyone sees the world as you do fellow indonesian

@@ExtraordinaryJam I have some gay friends and they are awesome people. Me and my mates have no problem at all hanging out with them, and I think the world should know that gay people are also can be awesome, it is just wether they would give them the chance to shine or not. Love and respect bro.

@@bapao83 yes, Salam hehe

Do you speak Arabic?

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SoulOf Whale in indonesia its actually more often to find doctors that do practices to gain money. Im one of the victims, when i was a kid i often got fever (like usual kids do) and the doctors usually prescribes these "anti" fever meds. However i would grt a fever again, with 6 months being the limit of not getting it. Then, my family find this doctor that just prescribes vitamins (like C) and treatment like cold towel compress on head (he said to only take anti fever when the temp is too high, like 40 C). Since then the rate of getting fever is lower (6 months being the fastest and can even last 1 year without fever), and usually only last 1 or 2 days at most, where before im sure it takes 2-3 days most of the time.

More than likely yes he's still practicing. Indonesia predominantly despises LGBTQ people due to religious reasons and to discriminate someone, and refuse treatment, based on their sexuality is seen as a perfectly reasonable response to the general public here, which is very sad. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know their exact MO in this situation, but I'm a psychology major student in Indonesia and we're expected to become a psychologist one day. One of my professors said if we can't perform an unbiased consultation to someone due to conflicting values, like in this case, we can reject performing consultation to them on the basis of bias but we must find another psychologist who will have no problem performing a consultation to them, basically transferring the client to another psychologist. But at least in the end, the client will have a consultation regardless of which psychologist performs it.

In indonesia, you coughed a lot, you go for a check up to doctor, they diagnosed you with cancer, and ask you to immediately get surgery. I know thats over exaggerated but you get the point.

SoulOf Whale wah

Also when you're depressed the psychologist in indonesia will told you to get closer to the god and say you're not close with god, you're going to hell for not seeking god. Instead going on therapy you get rambled by the psychologist themselves for not being close enough with god that's why you are depressed.🙄

Not only does there need to be a cure, but it also has to be affordable too

Daeg Ham lmao just say you’re ignorant about sex and gay people and go. no need to write a whole paragraph

@@daegham6006 HIV does not discriminate. If you research carefully you would easily find out that HIV transitions happen with all types of sexual intercourse. As long as there's fluid exchange, there is a great chance of you contracting AIDS.

Apparently scientists have already unraveled the structure of the HIV molecule. In due time a cure would be available I'm very sure of that.

@Beyond Tribalism He probably busy but I think HIV should be a punishment for having sex too often and not using protection. An easily preventable disease happens because you choose to be irresponsible

Wtf,

sydney powell i did

When i had tubercolosis, i had to swallow four pieces of pills, with each of them on those same size (or maybe slightly bigger). Swallow it daily. Four of them on same single time every night. I mean, when you have to deal with life and death, you have no choice rathen than just swallow it.

@@paulhunter1525 No, i even never imagined that. But, if you mix pills with milk or orange juice, i think it will make the milk or orange juice taste too much bitter. Swallowing pills just with water, for me, it has advantage, you don't need to taste how bitter it actually is. But i know, some people have issues with swallowing pills. I had seen someone tried to swallow pills using banana. So she chewed banana for a while, then when she ready to swallow the banana, then she get the pills and swallow it together with banana.

Adnan A indeed, but please know u can get HIV even while using protection. Can also be from trusting a long term partner who cheated on you. Don’t judge people who contracted hiv.

Robert Hardy Who can I judge?

Adnan A uP

They love it 'Raw' that how indonesian do it

Insaflah Wahai Manusia..

@@lotta-abathingape9064 apa yang salah?? Ambil aja kalimat dia yang ngasih tau kalo sex anal tuh beresiko, dan jangan salah bahkan yang straight pun juga ngelakuin kek gitu. Btw gw straight

Kalo orang yg punya agama pasti tau kalo gay itu di larang/tidak boleh

Bener Bgt Kak 👍😇❤

bagaimana jika anda menjadi dia, dah gitu aja,

LOL😂😂😂

was that a wrong translation?

Menion i thought the Same lol

@@Aethelhadas not really lol, the literal translation is "he can transfer his positive energy to me" so its not that far off but at the same time, the word choices in the translation is. . . Interesting, at least lolol

@@audreytantra1797 probably because the phrase "positive energy" doesn't make sense in English.

R u a gay?

Not in Bali

I think so. It's so hard :")

@@rrizkis r u agay?

Seek people that can return you to the right path

That's the reason why we never respect all older generation of indonesians!

​@@adrianwakeisland4710 fr? Just because that one reason, you never respect them? I don't care about LGBT, do whatever they want. But if you never respect them just because that one reason, your such a dumb person who doesn't know anything about respect the views of others...

But it Still i legal in that country

I think we have an understanding of prejudice already...

Rhonin There is a reason why even religious people don’t use god in the courtroom. Because it’s just not a very good way to prove your point with something you’ve never seen, felt or heard. How do you know how god thinks? You can be religious, just don’t use it to prove your point.

@Hoàng Nguyên well, its a choice ma dud.

@@PainAmvs_ exactly!

U are wrong ronin.. God didnt dislike gays, but the religion was the one who dislike gay. Anyway, god really like to test living things, even though god already knows what will happen and just how much that living things can handle. Even though there's a lot of living things who murdered themselves, because they are so desperate and cant handle the test.. And here we go, you know where we will talk bro hahahahahahaha

I think my bad english made y'all misunderstood me, but what I'm saying is God is an absurd and hypocritical concept that should just disappear in today's society.

Are you sure?

@@ahmadmahzunam yes,100% sure !! What's wrong with that ?

@@nvm5909 yeahh, i wish you can do it soon..

I second that. Acep is such a strong person:')

Iya siapa tahu jadi suka cewek...wkwk

Apapun penyebabnya seseorang bisa mengidap hiv/aids ga penting, hidup mereka sudah susah, ga usah nambahin penderitaan dengan kasih komen negatif atau ngata2in.

Semua beresiko, sekarang pilihan anda memilih resiko mana paling tinggi dan rendah

Dan kontribusinya sekarang dia yaitu nyebarin virus HIV

@@vladimirlenin9916 nyebarin bagaimana..? Ada bukti dia nyebarin..? Hati2 dengan ucapan anda.. kalau tidak ada bukti jatuhnya malah fitnah dan pencemaran nama baik

@@vladimirlenin9916 tau ngak cara HIV nyebar itu gimana??? Pls deh. Educate yourself first before commenting anything. HIV/AIDS itu ngak nyebar lewat udara bambankkkkk

@@vladimirlenin9916 emng situ ada bukti dia nyebarin hiv?

gua rasa ga semua dokter di indo otaknya juga bermutu kek titel pekerjaannya

hellan lettas it’s like a mixture of an Austronesian languange, some dutch, and a little portugese vocabulary except grammar wise, the easiest language I know to learn by far. No past or future tenses. Hope this encourages you.

@@alexanderhansen3232 oh thanks! i will probably start to take internet lessons anytime soon :D

@@monobloc well for many centuries Indonesian archipelago was visited by many foreign civilizations such as Ancient Indians, Ancient Chinese Dynasties, Tamil Chola, Mongols, Spaniards, Portugueses, Brits, Dutch, Japaneses. So don't be surprised if you see many foreign loanwords in here

Nice to hear that,. If you need a native to talk with, just pass me a message :D Good luck

@@alexanderhansen3232 No past or future count me in! As an English and Spanish speaker I feel like my life has too many verb tenses.

You need more likes

You broke the rules you deserve the hate.

@@omukade4431 I'm not gonna dwell around this comment section any longer after this due to the negativity surrounding it, but if your entire judgement and hate is based on 'rules' that are founded on bigotry and prejudice--then please educate yourself and realise that there's not even any harm that would come to you for understanding and accepting the LGBT community. Please try to at least become a decent human being. Thanks.

Antonny Tan 😂

Antonny Tan uP

emjy anwar giliran masih sehat minta kebebasan, giliran udah hiv nyalahin stigma buruk lingkungan sekitar, yang salah di Indonesia ini siapa sih...

@@chessatreyu3601 Dia bilang orang HIV positif in general, bukan orang gay. Ngapain orang HIV positif nyari kebebasan coba

cries in poor gue juga gak bilang gay, maksud gue adalah, kalo berani menanam harus kuat menuai, konsekuensi dr yang mereka perbuat adalah HIV, ya hadapin lah, jangan nyalahin stigma orang, semua orang bebas berbuat apapun tapi lo juga harus siap dinilai dan diserang seperti apapun...

@@chessatreyu3601 ya stigma masyarakat masih negatif sperti ini. Orang dg hiv sudah pasti orang nakal. Nope. Banyak ibu rumah tangga ya gatau apa2 jg kena krn mungkin suaminya jajan diluar. Apakah ibu2 itu salah? Apakah ibu2 menuai dari hasil yg ia tanam?

@@yupz2393 iri banget sama gue hahaha At least I'd rather spread love than hate