Yeah but those random disease is called shit happens…. Don’t leave your house cuz u could get step in shit ( Cali ) & catch an infection and die, or get in a car accident… this is a TRIBAL subject which further divides the country🇺🇸& world 🌎… cuz governments and people in charge have been so helpful to their citizens… look at Australia 🇦🇺 it’s a police state because of c-vid mandates… & we should just trust these people who make money 💰 off our illnesses…
That last line though... "You're looking for random facts to support the conclusion you've already drawn, rather than drawing a conclusion from the available facts."
It's ironic because that's literally what people who insult the intelligence of those who would prefer not to get the vaccine yet do. They have a pre conceived opinion, and search for information to back it.
@@hf4229 I'm not sure if you're confused as to what "ironic" actually means, or if you are confused on what the difference is between relevant facts and random facts. If an anti-vaxxer claims there's more vaccinated people hospitalized, than unvaccinated, then the context would be relevant in this situation, so when you're referring to a population where 90% are vaxxed, OF COURSE there'd be more vaxxed than not in the hospital, because it's practically the whole population. When an anti-vaxxer claims the vaccine "alters your DNA" then obviously a lesson in what vaccines do or don't do would make sense. And so on. There are well documented facts put forth by the CDC and the FDA, as well AMA and others, and those would be relevant. Citing op-eds, Facebook posts, memes, or things of that nature is not fact checking. If it's "insulting your intelligence" to have actual, relevant facts pointed out, then maybe don't try to discuss something you're intellectually unprepared to discuss. I stay out of quantum physics discussions because I don't know enough about it - for me, personally, it's better to not comment than to start quoting sci-fi authors just because they wrote some fiction on the topic . But to each their own.
"Fighting communist for the glory of capitalism"... means, information warfare on behalf of Russia... everyone who listens to you is a Putin powered traitor 🇷🇺
Okay... what about all the other vaccines from all the other different companies from around the globe... and you know a company can tell a lie about one product many years ago and still deliver a different product years later that is as described that works well. I've had three Pfizers and I'm fine were as RFK Jr. Has a literal worm in his brain.
I think it's because people are used to vaccines.... doing.... that. We take a smallpox vaccine when we are little, and we never get smallpox. Like ever. For example, if we take the shot and the booster, we have complete immunity. I've taken the covid vaccine and all the boosters. And I've gotten covid every single year, and it's been bad every single time I've gotten it. I think when you call something a "vaccine," there's a certain expectation that the general public subconsciously has based on their experiences with other vaccines. And i think that, combined with the 2 inarguable facts that the covid vaccine was developed at an astoundingly fast pace, and under the administration of one of the least trustworthy presidents ever (despite president's having nothing to do with vaccine production), is what has led to the massive distrust in this particular vaccine. I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated. I did, after all. But when someone tells me they didn't get the covid vaccine, i understand. And i think the people who automatically characterize people who don't want to take the vaccine as dangerous, stupid, or anti science are being willfully ignorant because they have an agenda.
@@SeedsofEcofrog Remember in 2020 when all the anti-vaxxers blamed 5G for the virus and said Bill Gates was gonna inject us all with ID2020 microchips... I remember...
@@wtvrhpnd2frddyprnzjr I have a friend whose seen the numbers in Scotland. So basically what happened was before Covid 200 people will visit the hospital and the hospital had 2 doctors 1 worked in the ICU the other worked in regular care. So each would get 100 patients each, in the “pandemic” they decided to admit more people into ICU. So the 200 number doesn’t change, what changes is, the ICU doc gets more patients so to him it looks worse. But the other doc doesn’t have as much work. The fact that hospitals can fire staff during a “pandemic” is telling.
@@jeremiahduran7238 what? I’m not sure if your point is that staff shortage is what’s making the pandemic seem worse than it is. Staff shortage (especially nurses) are definitely contributing to the hospital bed shortages especially during surge periods but if you think that’s the only reason you are terribly mistaken and oversimplifying (in the beginning there were all sorts of issues with supplies, equipment and testing). Regardless even if staffing is the primary problem at this time, the problem remains it is disruptive and strains the healthcare system to the point of where people with other conditions aren’t able to get help…this is especially true around wintertime…
Can you do one on rare allergies? I’m actually deathly allergic to Corn and the by-products and derivatives of Corn. And turns out each of the vaccines have corn by-products in them so couldn’t get it because I would die.
"You said you wouldn't be mean." That's the doctor making a truthful observation, and they said it in a neutral tone. You're just hurt that you are wrong, and someone pointed it out.
I can see where the guy is coming from, we've been heading to a higher and higher distrust of our government bodies, on either side of the spectrum, often for good reason. I can't entirely blame them. People don't see the scientists at work behind the scenes, all they see is the mismanagement of the pandemic by so many people in power, the inconsistencies, the inability to unite amongst themselves and agree on what they should tell us, more misinformation and meme campaigns than regular updates and transparency. Not only are we not in it together, they're not even in it with us. They're flipping stocks, taking bribes, leaving the country, embezzling, lying to the cameras. Meanwhile the scientists and healthcare workers are buried in work and don't have the same platforms to speak to people.
How about the if government stops granting immunity from liability to vaccine manufacturers, big tech stops censoring discussions of side effects and effectiveness, and NIH stops funding gain-of-function research and lying about it? That might help convince some people.
Zero accountability for the manufactures or government for an under tested, adverse reactions cover up, learning more everyday about it drug. Yet adverse reactions are very very uncommon... Yet, I know 4 individuals (my mom included) that have had severe blood clotting issues, and in my mom's case resulted in micro strokes along with lots of swelling (like 4x swelling) from the Pfizer alone. .... If these adverse reactions are that rare why was pfizer never haulted, and why wont they take legal liability? Instead they insist it was "voluntary" while dangling a paycheck or peer / media pressure over your head.
At my work we all got the shots and all of us ended up with the new variant of it. I ended up with 102 fever and shook uncontrollably. Some of my co workers were in hospital and off for weeks
Jason, Covid is more common than ever and it's more communicable than ever because we never reached the vaccination rate of smallpox or polio. We've been vaccinating for 200 years now. We've eradicated so many diseases, lets end many more, lets not let any come back!
@@lawrence6651 vaccines get your immune system ready for similar infections. It's like having an SOP ready for disaster situations at work. Some things cannot be prevented entirely, but preparation reduces the total impact. If you would like to know more, look up how M-Cells interact with vaccines to remember the antigens of illnesses and how they can activate early based on if you have had a previous infection or not.
@@lawrence6651 this type of vaccine helps train your immune system to recognize and appropriately react to the Virus infecting it. Specifically, it trains your immune system to recognize the specific antigen in the COVID virus that is partially responsible for being infectious, so any variant that it wouldn't protect against wouldn't be that infectious. But in order to have the vaccine begin working as intended, you'll need to be infected after getting vaccinated and it would drastically reduce your infection time and illness longevity.
I had the omicron variant after I didn’t get my booster and ended up in hospital. I had “super covid” where it lingered after the 2 week period and it actually made my asthma escalate so now I have to have 2 inhalers
Ah, got it. That’s called a preexisting condition. Still doesn’t sound like you need the vaccine boosters if you’re young and healthy, which you are not. I’m young and healthy and got it. Wasn’t even remotely deadly to me.
@@theonelad3028if the companies and Dr fauci were truthful in the beginning we probably would have been fine. But starting off covid by lying to everyone is not a good thing.
@@MT-qt3mk *28 STAB WOUNDS, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE HIM A CHANCE, HUH? DID YOU FEEL ANGER? HATE? HE WAS BLEEDING, BEGGING YOU FOR MERCY, BUT YOU STABBED HIM, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!... I KNOW YOU KILLED HIM. WHY DON'T YOU SAY IT? JUST SAY "I KILLED HIM"! IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY?! JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM! JUST SAY IT!*
Good point. And if said damage from shrapnel made you an invalid for life, with zero quality of life and independence, wouldn't it be better for you and society to end up KIA? That usually wasn't the case for Arty shells, true. But what if?
@@JinTheAceStar what side effects? a sore shoulder for a couple of days? I'm fully vaccinated with a booster. I have not caught covid despite the fact that 3 coworkers, that I have contact with 5 days a week caught it. All of them are young and said the experience was horrible.
@@prfwrx2497 considering that most of those injuries went from fatal to concussions and cuts, I think the soldiers who wore the helmets were happier for it.
"We don't know how long natural immunity lasts" sounds like a great opportunity for a science experiment! Let those with natural immunity remain unvaccinated to get this data!
We should know how long natural immunity lasts. We should know the precise efficacy of masks and lockdowns. We should have greatly expanded ICU capacity. WTF have the governments of the world been doing for a year and a half? The only large study on antibodies from having the coof ended at 8 months. Media interprets that as the protection from having the coof lasts 8 months. Nope.
@@SusanBaileyAmazingEstate to learn those you have to put a test group at risk which is unethical. then, you still wouldn't know at what population level those numbers start to change, unless you test on the actual populace. and you want an ICU expansion? most hospitals are overrun with patients as is. don't you think if it was possible to expand, they would have done it long before Covid started putting such a strain on the healthcare system? it's not like hospitals have only just now started to be overcrowded.
I live with an anti-vaxxer and her concerns are related to how quickly the vaccine was developed, it's multiple side-effects, and the matter of personal choice and the extent to which a state should be able to enforce a vaccination. Her husband is a doctor, very highly educated one too, and the experience of living with him has left her disillusioned with our health care system and the industries behind it. It's not just about the vaccine, it's a question of values, state control, and trust in authorities, which is, justifiably, low.
Well what about the rest of the world. We're all vaccinated, there are what 6 vaccines available now?, and our healthcare systems, morals, values, etc. Are different. Does this mean you wouldn't be an anti-vaxxer I'd you moved to France. I would recommend it, great food, socialised healthcare and the weather C'est très magnifique!
@@georgesears2916 If you're implying that only the American government is corrupt and the rest of the world isn't, you're really highlighting your European ignorance. You already did by mentioning socialized healthcare, as if you think America should do that without taking to account that it barely works in smaller, less populated countries, if at all. Why on earth would it work for us? But its ok. Next time you guys surrender in a war, we'll probably come back to bail you out despite your condescending attitudes and rude personalities. Just for you to go back to making fun of us in a few decades or so.
@@benparkhurst649 So thousands of pharmaceutical companies attempted to develop a covid vaccine and only about 3-6 succeeded - so there was about a 99% chance of getting slapped with multi million dollar lawsuits and a less than 1% chance of receiving a portion of the $50b - and you believe that would be an effective way to remedy a global health crisis that is inhibiting economies all over the world?
One of my favorite college professors liked to say "There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics". The numbers don't lie but are used by liars to "prove" their own sliver of truth by manipulating the raw data to suit their needs.
The numbers do lie tho, when I was working in the medical field when covid first started, my nurse friends were telling me that no matter what they labeled a death as a covid death. Because you'd get more government funding the more cases you had. So the numbers do lie in this pandemic and they always have
@@badburrito-ti5wr YE and they were also letting so many nurses and doctors go for some reason. They wanted the heaviest load on the least amount of people so that when all of them got infected it would just be dominoes of people dying. But no, luckily the shadow government isnt as smart as they want to be
Thats total bullshit. You use statistics to show your data in a context. You can have the context right and wrong and this is easily discernable if you have critical thinking skills.
@@Anti.Furry.Warlord The company wasn't giving them out for free. The US government, using your tax dollars, bought the shots. The pharma companies were raking in BILLIONS of our tax dollars off of these shots. Just because you didn't pay at the time of injection does not mean that the the pharma company was giving them away. As a former manufacturing engineer, I can say with 100% confidence that you never trust a for profit company that can not be sued. It is all about the money. If the company has no fear of being sued, they will cut every corner to make more money for themselves at the risk of your lives.
@@mistyridge7028 and don’t you think the government would check to make sure that the vaccines are significantly safer than Covid before they paid? Because they WERE safer. The rate of serious side effects was only 7.64 per 100,000 people.
4 years ago i was at the high of my pbysical and mental performance. I just won a triathlon for my age group. I just won a womens skateboarding competition, i just recieved high honors in the military and recieved sailor of the quarter. Then i got vaccinated with phizer vax when I was 28 years old. The military said I had to get it and everything would be fine. 2 weeks after vaccine I was throwing up and having random panic attacks and blurry vision. Now I am 31 and in a wheelchair and have severe issues and have to have a care give and can't walk more than 20 ft without having post exertions mylas. I have been seen by the doctors at the va and at standford medical. I do not have an auto immune disease or any of that. They said my body cannot process the vaccine and I have liver damage and damage to my cells in my body because of the vaccine. The doctors do not know how to heal me. They just tell me to rest and hopefully my body will heal on its own. If the covid vaccine can injure a perfectly healthy young adult. I'm sure it injured many more. They needed to do more studys before they released that vax for covid. And vaccines shouldn't be mandatory. It should be free will. Because I didn't get a choice. I am wheelchair bound and homebound I do not have energy to cook or shower on my own.
Yeah, when my doctors ask me why I won't get the shots or boosters, I refer them to the many, many cases like yours. I have two autoimmune disorders, and my immune system tends to go crazy when I get any vaxes. My children are the same way...
like i dont think that you understand how vaccines work on a biological level if you sincerely think that your body reacted more severely to the vax than it wouldve to the actual virus
@@lonzowright6485 It’s primary school. It’s usually 1st grade (grade 1), thru 5th grade. After that, the grades are usually referred to as ‘middle school, jr high, and high school, in the u.s..
Remember when they said it was caused by 5G? Remember when they said it contained an ID2020 microchip. Then they said it rewrote your genes. Then they said it would cause mass deaths. Then we'd all be sterile. Now, pray tell, since none of these happened, why should we believe you now?
Unvaxxed. Still haven't caught it, Still haven't been to the hospital and I go out and do things lol. All my friends that are once twice thrice jabbed all have caught it multiple times, and that's something consistent across the board that people have spoken about. It's not a coincidence.
$200 for things that didn’t happen. Cute story tho. I’ll let my uncle know that his wife who was antivax and died of Covid that it was all a misunderstanding
I would like to see pro covid vaccine and anti-covid vaccine doctors have a live debate for the public to see and decide if they want to get vaccinated or not.
And also the pharmaceutical companies got a blank check and billions and billions and billions of dollars and didn't have to take any responsibility for any negative side effects from the thing they created it's almost like the anti vaxxer actually had a point
But all anti-vaxxers are right wing. Conservatives actively support these industries and these industries support them. You know Anti-vaxxers are a massive boon for the pharmaceutical industry. They redirect and absorb a lot of left wing energy that could be directed towards socialising medicine and making it cheaper while also creating a lucrative market of people who need expensive advanced care when they get ill.
My doctor told me he can't recommend the vax because there's so much different information floating around he doesn't know what to recommend. He works for a major hospital system in Texas.
@@fsi1212 well like you said in Texas and they got rid of the restrictions and mandates for covid. They are encouraging people to get the vaccine and not forcing it like every country around the globe.
Kind of hard to trust the ones moralizing and such (You’ll kill grandma!”) types… when they’re often caught flaunting the very rules that they demand of people. How many times did we see them gathering in numbers above what they demanded, go maskless, and not hold to quarantine?
Kamala Harris literally just said the other day "We are currently in year two of the pandemic" as if this is going to go on longer. She then said it all was an *opportunity.* Huh. An... Opportunity, huh?
I just wish someone could have warned me that the live virus vaccine could activate my dormant celiacs disease. If I’d have known I’d have taken different precautions, but now I’m stuck with a disease that changes my whole life. All because I was threatened my job if I didn’t.
My hesitancy is just the fact that we don't know long term side effects. When it's been around for a few years with nothing big, then ill get it. When I was 15, I had a nurse try to push me to get the hpv vaccine. Said even nuns get it, its great, everyone should get it to be safe. My mom was there and said no, because it was too new and we didn't know long term side effects, maybe in a few years. The nurse gave my mom a disgusted snear then looked at me and said, "well, you'll be 18 soon and can make your OWN decisions" then looked at my mom with another snear and rolled her eyes as she turned away. Well, 3 years later I turned 18 and went into my yearly exam. Saw that I still hadn't gotten my hpv vaccine and asked if I needed it, but the doc said they weren't offering that shot at this time. Confused, I later went home and looked it up. Come to find out that vaccine the nurse was pushing on me had a lawsuit and discontinuation of it due to injuries and side effects. Since then I have fully adopted my parent 3-5 year rule. A vaccine has to be out for 3-5 years before ill take it. The longer the better.
actually no vaccine has long term side effects, meaning that 2 years later u suddenly cant smell anymore bc of that vaccine or something. Vaccines dont work like thta
Injuries or side effects from what I have researched seem to be far less awful than cervical cancer. I don't know what your doctors were shooting into people but all the lawsuits I can find have not stopped the vaccine for HPV being given on a mass scale. Chances are the company either made a mistake in your certain area which did minor harm in the bigger picture. Let's be honest here, we do not know what any vaccine will do to us 2 to 3 years down the line but that's no reason to avoid them like they will do more harm than good. are we forgetting that getting covid in the first place could have side effects 2 to 3 years down the line as well? Imagine if people did that with the vaccine for polio and smallpox we would still have schools of children dying because people wanted to wait and see
I didn't get tested so I don't know for sure, but I'm certain I had covid at some point. I felt like I had been hit by a plane and couldn't get out of bed for a few days, all I did was sleep. And that was after 2 shots. I shudder to think what it would have been like had I not gotten the vaccine.
@dbond0018 Congratulations, do you want a medal for not giving a shit about other people? You know, if you're scared of an itty bitty needle you can just say it. Otherwise trust me that no secret society really cares about you in particular.
Sir it seems like you’re just looking for random facts that support the conclusion you’ve already drawn, rather than drawing a conclusion from the available facts.
Naaaa doctor would never tell something wrong.. just like the ones in the past that did. give even kids heroin as it was considered „safe“. They get paid a shit ton money for giving the vaccine and many are of them just drones, not doctors.
Bro my sister and brother in law just got COVID and what’s funny is my sis is a nurse I know before the pandemic she was nearing the end of becoming an RN she was in some type of class or program it was a two year long thing or whatever so initially I remember hearing that all healthcare workers HAVE to get the vaccine and idk if it’s because she wasn’t technically working at the time or what but she was like nah I’m gonna wait to get it just to i guess be safe that no craziness happens after it’s been out for awhile…so fast forward to a couple weeks ago I hadn’t heard from her or my bro in law and I talk on the phone with him damn near everyday about sports and just arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong about football or basketball whatever…so I’m trying to get ahold of them and I get nothing after like a week my sister finally sent me a text saying how her and him andddd the baby they just had got COVID and how it’s the most painful thing she’s ever experienced which was strange because my older brother got it too and he just described it as like the flu but a little more harsh whereas my sister said she was literally crying from the pain for like 2-3 days…my brother in law said it was awful for him too that everything he smells is just disgusting and that he tries to eat and immediately gags it up…but he said he’s not in anywhere near as much physical pain as she is. Her and the baby went to the ER because she was in so much pain and obviously the baby well is a baby…they are finally starting to feel a little better although they still are saying they feel awful but I just got a text from my bro in law saying DUDE GO GET THE VACCINE NOW 😂😂😂 so idk man I mean I typically don’t get too involved with these types of discussions but it seems weird to me that people think this is some type of conspiracy to like control your mind or secretly chip you so they know what you’re doing at all times…like they wanna watch you beating your meat at night before you go to bed or something😂😂😂
@@jordancave3089 I really believe it just depends on the type strain or viral load. I got it and all I got was head discomfort and exhaustion. Same thing for my wife.
@@mr.grizzlybear2060 yeah bro I mean it clearly effects everyone different although it’s kind of crazy just how much it can vary like I said my older brother said he basically had the flu and also lost his sense of taste and smell…then my sis and them felt like they were damn near dying
My favorite was while working in hospital, some of the doctors very strongly pushed pregnant nurses to get the vaccine after it had only been out for a few months. No shade doc, but there's always the bottom 10%. Ultimately I think the vaccines were mostly good (except for the JJ vaccine.) But at the time there was relatively little time to determine long effects for the populus at large. Vaccines should have been encouraged, but not forced.
I agree with this for the most part, I think there were a few factors in this specific case though. Mrna vaccines have been around before covid, so the method has been tested even if the specific vaccine for covid hadn't been created or tested long term (they did do short term before releasing it). There's also what I think may be the main factor in why there were mandates early on, and that was the death rates. So many people were dying and at such a worrying rate. And we knew early on that it was at least making a dent in deaths even if it didn't stop people from getting covid completely as well as we all hoped. The millions dying world-wide was horrific. I remember looking at the numbers that kept going up every day and just crying because of the state of the world at that time. So many dead. It felt like any possible side effects had to be worth it just from the numbers. Luckily major side effects are super rate and are mostly in very specific situations but at the time without knowing that, I felt it was something we needed to do to save everyone.
“We don’t know what level equals immunity yet.” Exactly. There is simply not enough research done on this, yet the people enforcing mandates are acting as though this utter lack of research and information is unimportant. Bizarro.
We know vaccines work and we know the we need to do something. I’m tired of people acting like this is some hypothetical thought experiment that we asked everyone to weight in on. People are DYING
@@Doc_Schmidt People are literally dying as soon as they are born. People don’t want the vaccine since it’s literally being forced on them to keep their job. My grandmother fought off covid and died 6 weeks after recovering yet the state of CA did everything they could to have her listed as a covid death. I can’t trust it yet. If I have to to keep my job to support my family I will take it. I believe in vaccines but not something the government is doing everything they can to make it mandatory. Masks are pointless and yet here we are almost two years later with idiots like you wearing them in their car…
Exactly, someone I know just reads things that will support his world view, the second I send evidence that is inconvenient for him, he is suddenly too busy.
Oh my god cut thst person off /if you can/. They're just adding unnecessary stress to your life. If it's a relative, put up some boundaries and distance yourself instead.
@@honeyhannijung the hells wrong with you? Just BC someone has a opinion with which you don't agree, doesn't mean you should put up boundaries and distance yourself from them. And if you have stress from everyday interactions go get exposure therapy.
And thanks to the internet, you can find people saying anything and everything. That's why I laugh when someone says "do your research". 100+ hours of Alex Jones videos doesn't make a person well read.
@@lethallizard963 why? Why is either of those an option, millions didn't get covid the whole time we didn't have a vaccine and even up till now. And why pay these companies that have a proven track record of selling a harmful product money every 6 months because they claim that will save you and they change their word every other day
@@TheIfh I’m pro vaccine but I’m also pro liberty, flu vaccine is available each year and if people want to get it why not. It shouldn’t be forced tho and the government shouldn’t be paying for it. Edit: and yea it’s really ironic big pharma is suddenly the good guy
@@demoncbr9981 precisely, I haven’t gotten my flu shot in 6 years because I knew I didn’t really need it because I have a good immune system, and we need to normalize COVID the same way we normalized the flu.
All four of us at home got covid after we got two shots in, and it was like a bad cold for all of us, but it passed after a week and we were all okay. My grandma would NOT have survived unvaccinated, and my mom and uncle could have easily gotten very sick, but the vaccines helped us all to get only mildly sick and make a full recovery, I am grateful for that, I cannot live without my grandma
Plato used to do the same thing. He used real arguments that are easily seen on the internet. If it looks dumb... well, then you have to file a complaint to the antivaxxers, not him.
@@gurixd100 Yeah this guy is just like Plato… lmao. This guy is arguing against his own fabricated straw man and if Plato did something similar then Plato was wrong too
@@huntertoledo8989 "Yeah this guy is just like Plato… lmao" You just interpretated my sentence as a 5 year old would. And, yeah, Plato used to write arguments in his books. A shame you never read any of them, but it really shows.
“Grab Em By The Pussy.” -Donald Trump. Since we are just randomly quoting people. Nothing Joe Biden says will ever touch how un-American Donald Trump was.
@@dutchvonrichardson trump was not a good president. A was a better alternative to both hillary and biden though. I just hope that we get a better president in the future.
@@dutchvonrichardson ya, cuz we totally saw him do that in public, certainly wasn't just being a dude in a private conversation with another dude flexing about how he gets pussy. Like why did that statement even piss people off? You probably heard every boy in high-school talk like that. At least we had cheap gas, biden fucked that up faster than you could think of a way to fuck that up.
@@chrisrichfield8906 agreed. Also, Biden can’t even talk. He has major medical issues and he is in no way fit to be a president of an entire country. Trump was 1,000x better. At least our economy was thriving and he made sense when he spoke!
Potentially harming others out of conspiratorial mumbo jumbo seems pretty illogical. I'd agree that it's a personal choice if it didn't affect others, unfortunately it does.
@@mitraaruna clearly you don't know the facts. It only effects the person who has the vaccine, in fact the people with the vaccine are now the super spreaders, same concept as those who have natural immunity.
Yes. The only option for the moment is to defend ourselves as best we can if we want to survive (social distancing, masks, vaccination ect.). The vaccine provides a good defence as it allows the T cells in our body to know what the virus is and how to defeat it without having the actual virus. As the virus mutates or the body 'forgets' how to defend we need to vaccinate again. You have the choice to be vaccinated with the code of the virus which is relatively safe or go up against the virus itself and its many mutations in the hope you come out the other side unscathed. Although a pain in the arse, the choice is yours to have boosters or play roulette with the real thing.
@@rekinek510 the only reason the death rate is that low is because of the doctors who work tirelessly to save lives. When the hospitals get full the death rate increases significantly
Unfortunately, the body tends not to hold onto antibodies to other coronaviruses very long, so it’s unlikely that covid antibodies will stick around forever. People will either need boosters or reinfection to keep their immunity up. Hopefully, as more people get vaccinated or infected, the percentage of the population that has some amount of immunity will get high enough that we don’t have huge outbreaks and overwhelmed hospitals anymore.
@@rekinek510 You're probably better off alive to the government slaving away 10 hours a day in a dead end job paying 50 years worth of taxes, consuming taxable goods and taking out taxable loans than you are taking leave work or dead from the 'flu'. You are already under the control of the government, coronavirus doesn't change anything.
I had the first covid a year after the virus spread. It’s wasn’t because I wasn’t wearing a mask (I still was) but because a customer gave me a opened snack bag that they ate out from and told me to throw it away despite the trash being at the exit. I picked up the trash and gave it to them and told them to throw it out themselves. Because I couldn’t use hand sanitize or wear gloves (the managers restricted those from us and if we get more than one, we get a write up) I had COVID’s few days after. Fortunately I was fully vaxxed before that happened but damn that illness was horrible.
I can just picture this doc going in to see a new patient and then yelling with surprised saying "OH MY GOD, WHAT IS THAT?" At which point (if they're lucky) the patient passes out.
@@goopguy548 why are you calling people making independent choices antivaxxers like they hate science at all avenues. It’s about distrusting the pharmaceutical companies and the intertwined corrupt politicians diddling their hands in trusted or used to be trusted organizations so we it’s like a poisoned pool of what should have been indisputable reliable information but now it’s a world of chaos and paranoia
@@goopguy548 Are you able to support that with any data or is that just a product of weak anecdotal bias? In this climate, even people who believe in the efficacy of vaccines are being called ‘anti vaxxers’ because of their distaste for mandates. First of all, this is not anti-bad whatsoever, and secondly, there is no scientific be all end all for the moral and political discussion surrounding the actual distribution of vaccines. So there are plenty of credible ideas falsely classified as ‘anti vax’ that are immediately disregarded due to the absent minded presuppositions of those who support whatever the maximum enforcement in their country is
Here's a great explanation that I've used to convince two of my anti-vax friends who didn't want the shot because of the breakthrough infections: Our vaccines aren't this effective, but let's say we had a hypothetical vaccine that was 99% effective. Now let's say we vaccinate 100 million people. Guess what? 1 million people are still probably going to get sick because 1% of 100 million is 1 million. Now factor in the fact that the US population is over 300 million and the most effective vax, Pfizer, is 95% effective. Odds are, you're going to know at least one person who had a breakthrough infection while fully vaccinated. But is the vaccine ineffective because 1 million people got sick? Or does it work because 99 million people stayed well?
You do know that the Pfizer isnt 95% effective? Its 88% effective, dropping down to 47% within 5 Months (booster shot needed). The "prevented Hospitalization" rate is at 93% with the Pfizer Vaccine. I think you mean that one?
@@JaneDoe-ip5yl you clearly don't care about the unknowns of the long term effects of Covid...which all evidence points to being WAY worse and WAY more likely.
That's gonna create a poor mortality rate .That's same the rate of covid deaths. People are already depressed with the pandemic imagine adding a poor health or a damage due to the vaccine. That'll affect families of the 1%you mentioned. Which will affect their friends, loved ones, etc. On top of all that they got no one to sue? Can this vaccine guarantee covid won't kill you? If vaccine is really as good as advertised everyone would be willing to take. As for vaccinated that should be personal like if you use ARVs It's as if no privacy and your right to choice is invaded and made a public choice
Actually we have no idea how effective the vaccines are because we didn't do anti body test during vaccine process. We simply don't have the data to assess effectiveness.
@@toastV151ON that the covid regimen is apparently not unique. I don’t think I agree with that, and saying that vaccine “speculation” is so prevalent just because people are argumentative is, in my opinion, simplifying things too much. But despite being somewhat abrasive, they at least made a claim that has the possibility of being supported, disproven or otherwise. Rather than attacking someone for disagreeing with them, dismissing their input wholesale, and refusing to offer any kind of substantive response. The kind of behavior I see from antivaxxers in this comment section and elsewhere really does not lend credibility to their claims. Which they should care about, if they actually want their critical perspective to be taken seriously
@@abolishgender3240 maybe. Probably doesn’t wane as fast as the shot considering now they’re recommending 2 booster shots months after each dose. Make it make sense.
@@johnhancock1362 The situation with influenza is essentially identical, vivid is just much more aggressive than the flu. Us people with brains don't want to die just because you're afraid of needles. Call your mom to hold your hand of you're so afraid.
“For the first time in history we are blaming the ineffectiveness of a medication on those who have not taken the medication” - Dr. Robert Malone “inventor of the mRNA vaccine”
First time in history? What about blaming antivaxx moms for measles outbreaks? Also a vaccine isn’t really a medication so maybe we should be a little more questioning of Malone’s qualifications/motives if he’s going to use that kind of phrasing. Seems intentionally misleading in my opinion
Ah yes, someone who didn’t invent them, yet tries to claim that he did and made several Wikipedia accounts for the sole purpose of attributing them to him. And he took them himself.
@@Doc_Schmidt Why are you all doctors have ignored ozone therapy for decades? Even tho there's peer review data it works against all types of infections and thousands of doctors successfully use it in their practice.
@@Doc_Schmidt well that's true but there's never been so much anger and division between people who don't want to get the vaccine nowadays mainly because mainly vaccine was a choice and the covid vaccine is being a mandated in certain States and the president said he wanted to mandated it across all of America because of this people really don't want to take it cuz they hate when people try to put things in their body they don't choose naturally also this is a giant straw man like if it's just a joke and video great job but this isn't going to change anybody's mind man
The vaccine is probably for people who are old or at great risk. It doesn't really stop transmission. I got the first vaccine dose and I am NEVER getting a booster.
@moliminoustheater the vaccine is literally a prototype, yet you still believe everyone should get it bc other people have gotten it? it's okay if some people don't want to get it, they'll will spread the virus just as quickly as the vaccined
And then - 2023 in the UK , Astra-Zeneca is in High Court. Vastly overstated efficacy, large numbers of serious health side effects, and the Government’s indemnity of Vaccine manufacturers - rapidly put in place for just such an eventuality - might be legally challenged. I had my jabs, but wish I hadn’t - true I never fell sick, possibly not because of the jabs, but family members who refused also didn’t get sick. A lot of people are going to look fairly stupid , and all the hate for anti-vaxxers - put under the spotlight. A disgraceful episode where science and politics collide. And we didn’t do very well. Huge corruption at the very top , lies and more lies - the country locked down and badly damaged for all the wrong reasons. Government control , like hamsters in a cage - disgusting.
It’s messed up that, advocating for a vaccine that has factual evidence to help, makes a person automatically a sheep that can’t think for themselves by taking the vaccine. Both sides attack both sides, no side is greater than the other. All humans suck on all parties.
What bothers me is all the companies peddling the vaccines have been in trouble multiple times for billions of dollars for rushing bad drugs/cures and treatments, literally Google largest criminal fine in history and it's Pfizer and all the exact companies doing the vaccines are the companies with some of the worst track records in pharmaceutical history
can you explain why certain batches (usually in consecutive number series) are responsible for the serious adverse events, and fda still hasn't pulled those batches its right there in the data. i made a video showing this plain as day
Everyone likes to point out how it's fda approved when the fda has constantly pulled drugs or chemicals etc. From the market because they deemed them too dangerous
Because neither side has any idea what they're talking about and both sides are being fueled by financial and political motivations which is why I trust nobody.
because as stated in the video covid-19 keep mutating since no one is getting vaccinated which has already lead to the delta strain and there’s sure as hell going to be more that come since people like you don’t want to get a jab and shut the hell up 🤨
I hate auch discussions. Those are exhausting and don't help anyone. And I mean those "I have my opinion and I gonna dismiss everything you say as stupid, cause I made up my mind and don't intend to change it!" I love discussing, but I love those where you politely discuss with each other and show them your point of view while actually thinking about their point of view and think "how can I make them understand my opinion, if that's their reasoning?" and sometimes I see myself changing my opinion based on the other ones reasons cause they may have presented points I didn't think about. And sometimes I have points THEY didn't think of and made them overthink their own opinion. And sometimes nobody changes their opinion, but feels really good for having a nice conversation~ And anti-vax people tend to be not on that spectrum...
Hes trying to just share his experience and how he thinks, thats why its just him instead of him talking with another person to try and talk about it You can teach flat earthers how to calculate the curve and theyll say youre lying just like how antivaxxers will about vaccines
Remember: COVID is terrifying and even one death is too many; but if we're talking about the vaccine, we don't care how many people are injured or die, IT'S WORTH THE RISK.
My mother had a stroke after her first Astra Zeneca injection. I was concerned about getting the jab after her stroke and my doctor suggested to get the injection in the bum, as its a bigger muscle and much safer, and i was fine. After my mother got a full heart check she got her second dose and was told to get Pfizer, lucky she was ok.
I got the jab because it seemed like a good idea. I dont regret doing so. It is worth noting thwt the manufacturers and the FDA have listed extensive (very) serious side effects.
I missed the entire spring term of grade eight because of post covid. A year later and every single joint hurts, I can't hold my head up for multiple hours because my neck is to tired and I need multiple adaptations in school to be have enough energy to keep up with my class. I still don't have an official diagnosis because I mainly have mental problems and they don't know how my brain works. It will likely take years to get it properly checked out since no one has time for me.
99% of anti covid vaxxers arent “anti-vaccine” like the media tries to say. Most people simply have done some research and don’t want to be forced to get an experimental injection.
@@BG-wz1iu and vaxxers can also still get sick like… you dont think antivaxxers know they can still get sick?? Anybody whose sick is gonna be upset like ????
Honestly, i still wish i didnt get it, not because i dont think it works, or that i hate vaccines, but its because i wish i was stronger and didnt get peer pressured by family to do it
This entire comment section feels like a aftermath of a massive apocalyptic scenario and we have no idea what happened except the most repeated phrase of “Aged like milk” and any info on it is wiped off of the face of the earth.
@@frantaspacek you must be super dense to keep repeating the same things over and over again when multiple people have told you why!! We do but are repeatedly shut down. It’s a disappointment every time I encounter you… seems like nothing gets through to your impermeable skull.
@frantaspacek9583 it's a disappointment.. every time I encounter you! It must be pretty unfortunate to be so dense, even after repeated handheld explanations.
@@divadance1202 Kid, I even posted comments to show exactly how you can share your sources. It is not that hard, you're not getting systematically censored. You're just using the basic rules as an excuse. If you really wanted to talk about it, you could. But you don't actually have anything worth sharing. You act like the truth is on your side, but every single time you encounter actual evidence, you simply ignore it or you attack the person providing it. You do the same when you don't even know what to say. Exactly like you're doing now....
Y'know, I don't have a lot of problems with the COVID vaccine myself, even though I haven't gotten it it's pretty much just an anxiety thing with needles. What I _do_ have a problem with is that a job that does not provide me any healthcare now has the right to know my medical history before I've even been accepted into a position. That's a pretty dangerous precedent if you ask me. How long before they start skimping on safety protocol and pointing at random things in my medical history to get out of compensating me for an injury that was their fault? It also bothers me that the alternative companies are giving is to take a daily or weekly COVID test, which basically means if someone is vaccinated but they get sick they can still come to work for several days if their symptoms are minor, and no one will care, but an unvaccinated person will within three days know that they're infected and depending on the company may be fired for it, whether they have an actual medical exemption or not.
Well people who have had the vaccine will get symptoms faster then unvaccinated people since the immune system recognises it faster. That's just not how that works. Company's should have to be able to fire unvaccinated people since they are a danger to costumers with the approximate 2 week long asymptomatic period.
@@empyreum6869 so companies should be able to fire individuals who _can't_ get the vaccine? People who will actually have serious and life threatening reactions to getting the vaccine?
@@viceliag3916 Well, ofcourse there are outliers but i was talking about anti-vaxx more then people who have actual medical conditions. But i find that even though you have a medical condition you have to recognize you are a danger to the company. I find personally that the company should only legally be able to lay-off people instead of firing people with no benefits. But the relationship between company and worker should remain beneficial to either party. It sucks that you have to find a new job because of that but no one wants to work with a walking talking health risk beside them. Now if we would replace covid with ebola it illustrates a point. You might say that its an unfair and unequall comparison. And i'd completly agree. Ebola is a very deadly but less infectiuous disease. The reason why companys are allowed to take these decisions is because the highly infectious covid is actually a more threatening disease to society compared with ebola. We don't know how it will mutate or progress. Ebola is also well documented in comparison with covid. Companys should 100% be able to fire a risk. You can talk about freedom however much you want. Companys enjoy the very same freedom you have. You can see everywhere if a company is healthy or not. Why should a free entity not have the same rights as a free individual? We can't allow a non-deadly but still highly infectious disease to propogate untill we are doomed. Hence lockdown, hence vaccine. It is Very Very important that we do everything in our power to stop this. Anti-vaxx in consequence to the rules we society has created to deal with this are undeniably a risk to survival.
@@empyreum6869 so what are those who can't get vaccinated supposed to do? If every company should have this right, where are the medically exempt supposed to work? My husband can't get the vaccine, nor can anyone else in his immediate family, but he's perfectly fit to work otherwise and as such can't apply for disability, nor can most of them. How are they supposed to provide for themselves? How is he supposed to provide for me while I'm on maternity leave, which I will be shortly, if every company has the right to deny him a job for something so completely out of his control?
So I have all of my vaccines, my child has all his vaccines. I agree with proven vaccines, not untested ones. Nowadays this makes me an anti-vaxxer lol All because of one vaccine. People would feel better if the government wasn’t forcing it.
The vaccine isn’t untested, mRNA isn’t untested. There are academic and scientific papers and statistics that prove this. The only thing you need to do is research, do so with the same seriousness you would if you had to write an essay for college.
@@TeShady bro you are the test 🤦♂️. The long term side effects will be on you. Hopefully for y’all’s sake the vax doesn’t cause cancer in like 10 years or something but we don’t know at this time what the side effects could even be. Not to mention the media keeps covering up any actual side effects that the jab causes
@@Vox_Popul1 there has never been a successful mRNA therapy before. Yes they've TRIED to develop these in the past but they've all failed-most ended up killing the test subjects or making them MORE susceptible to disease. Hopefully that isn't what's happening here but if the rate of "breakthrough" infections is any indication....
The irony of people saying this "hasn't aged well," while being the very people this is targeting is depressing. I'm Just going to go back to trying to find some hole where I don't have to worry about one of these selfish a-holes ending me for being the villain of their little fantasy world.
