Bel'Veth - Another 200 Years Champion? Or Perfectly Designed? | League of Legends 

Wait... *SHE'S MANALESS?!*

I was expecting a versatile long range control mage not a jojo character wtf

I think one big mistake Riot did with Bel'veth is how they promoted her. One of her first teaser was Riot member being controlled to forshadow her coming. Champion roadmap talked about how you will submit to her. These caused so many ppl expecting the whole mind control aspect. Throughout 7 months, Riot promoted/teased her with the whole ever-expanding Lavender Sea and Remoras (Void Fishes) to the point that there were so many guesses on how Bel'veth will rely on using swarm ability. One of the earliest talk about the Void Jungler was that it was based on swarm. Then the leaked ability list (which was decently close) showed how her passive relied on creating swarm fishes. There was so much expectation on Bel'veth being this Void Empress with mind control + fish swarm which really fits her overall. NO ONE was expecting Bel'veth to rely entirely on dashing and auto attacking as her main playstyle while the fish swarm only being there as an extra feature with limitied access. It did not help that the moment Bel'veth's very first gameplay was shown was people instantly commenting on how bad her auto attacks look despite being auto attack focused champion (the effect looks better in general now though). I feel like if Riot's promotion focused more on Bel'veth being this Void's ultimate top predator who will consume everything in her way to become stronger without ever mentioning things like the Remoras or being subjugated, so many people would not have been disappointed. Even ignoring what's above, it's hard not to think that her overall concept could have been further explored. I personally wish she had a separate kit in her "human" form while having that skirmisher kit in her "true" form similar to Elise with her Spider form. Meanwhile somehow making the fish swarm being more prominent in her kits. The fact that her Ult just feels like a visual change than gameplay change is a bit disappointing. Even if her kit ends up being balanced gameplay wise, I think it will be difficult for many people to not think about how much more she could have been other than just fast auto attacking champion.

ngl i think riot dropped the ball when announcing the concept. originally they claimed she was suppose to be some type of queen who would swarm the rift with an army of minions/pets. instead it feels like an after thought in her kit. yes you can still kill a bunch of lane minions and make an army but i feel it shouldve been the main part of her kit.

I was hoping she would be pet focused like Malz. Except as a melee champ

Bel'veth in game VS her lore feels like two different characters. She doesn't feel like someone who's trying to take over the world to become the ruler.

playing against her made some weaknesses very obvious: Topside becomes very important due to Rift herald and Baron R passive. With Herald she can literally push to inhib and nexus towers at min 15 If she looses those objectives or the R token, she is really easy to manage. You play against her like against a Pyke, Veigar or Viego: If she is the first to die before one of your teammates die, you win. that means either disengage or Death denial (Zilean, Renata, Kayle) are hard counters to her. Also her very early game isnt the best. She is managable, but her Kit feels tbh a bit like a random assortment of abilites. Like Swain W sticks out but for her entire kit.

The disconnect between her theme and model and her slapping jojo viego/ irelia/ yasou copy paste moveset is so jarring, her minionspawning is so much of an afterthought. Man so close yet so far fits here.

Honestly I find her ult to be a bit strange. I feel like it could've been an activation like Aatrox where she presses R and could do a little explosion and gain the bonus stats, and maybe she could have a passive mechanic where she stores souls of stuff she kills and when she activates her ult she'd consume the stacks to summon an army

I expected her to be able to teleport and root someone because of the hands thing in the trailer and also a skill that channels and drains the target's HP then she shows her true form. I never expected her to just bitch slap someone to death

i didnt notice that the new champs have been trying to address certain problem but if we are taking that into account I think Bel’Veth’s gimmick is adressing the lack of top lane interactivity with the game, since, while strong Herald doesn’t attract enough attention like Dragons do at least in early game. If you take a look at her ultimate she becomes a menance to the whole game if you let her take one void epic monster: every minion that dies close to her (ally or enemy, doesn’t matter) becomes a minion for her team (meaning that while you have 2-3 minion waves that can tank towers for you even if you won’t have all their damage at the same time, combine that with herald or baron buff and boom it’s a snowball that in paper feels completely unfair).

That summon swarms of void monsters ability seems so unnecessary to her other abilities. It's like putting a random ass revive on an adc... Summoning void creatures is supposed to be Malzahars thing. She's like 3 different Champs in one.

Ngl I really hoped she would have been a shapeshifter, with her human form having range and swarms while true form would be more like this

I mean yeah, "subverting expectations" is one way to say "disappointing your players". I was hyped for a swarm building control mage (imagine malz but all the abilities are actually focused on the voidling swarm, like a malz/ori hybrid). Instead they release viego 2, like we weren't oversaturated with skirmishers already. I don't know if I'm in the majority here, but i've definitely read about others thinking the same.

Her minion thing when she eats an even more suspicious candy was put in purely for lore related reasons

4/10 to Bel'Veth, I was expecting something unique with swarms, multiple units, a control or a battle mage. Principally because of the "teasers" in Roadmaps. And what we received was a Master Yi/Irelia/Viego like champion.

I kinda agree she should've been a mage. She looks really fun to play and I'm gonna pick her up asap but we haven't had a mage jungle in forever.

I got feeling that of all abilities, her summon minions part is for sake of lore... HOWEVER It feels really like that some Rioter accidentally swap the aspect of another incoming Void Champ and Bel’vert Imagine if the another Void champ got Mind control/Swarm style, and then someone realizes they do some oppsie.

Kinda wanted a swarm mage but got another viego that feels like a lot of random stuff put into her kit

She doesn't feel like a empress of the void she has more sense with malzahars kit than her own I think this is a mistake and she needs to be longer in development and this kit riot can put on the next void champion they choose to make.

I feel like they wanted to make her a Drow Archer style character who pushes the lane with minions, but they wanted to subvert expectations and tie into the Void Champion template by making her an aggressive melee character. ...The problem is they already did that with Yorick. No one was expecting the necromancer to be a melee dude with a shovel. So it was time for an actual caster type necromancer. But we got the same subversion again.

I have no issue with the kit, I have issue with the kit being BEL'VETH'S. By the concept and teasers and everything I was hyped for a swarm control mage or tank...and got slappy fish. It's just ridiculous and looks bad. I wish so badly this kit was on another champion and Bel'Veth got the kit she deserved, Rito dropped the ball on champion thematics here even if the kit and design look good...the whole issue is they don't look good TOGETHER.

I'd say neither, when she gets released she'll stomp like all new champs do. She has lethal tempo in her kit already and doesn't even use mana or energy, she's vulnerable if she's not stuck to you and Taliyah and Vex hard counter her. I'm just glad they made a champ that's fun to play by this point.

We could have a control mage /summoner with the so-called "empress of the void" but she basically just master yi , so damn disappointing

the voidlings kinda feel like an afterthought. I was expecting her to maybe turn jungle camps into voidlings, and accumulating a bunch of them for skirmishes as she clears and stuff.

They promoted a mechanical skirmisher champion as if she was a summoner or a ranged character. I find myself too disappointed in what she is to really care about her. Her transformed model also looks rather cheap and awkward.

The voidlings in her ult are meant to encourage her to take objectives I think since she's a jungler, similar to shyvana's passive in a way

To me. Bel'veth feels like someone went into the studio. Watched all the negative reactions coming in for Viego. Cried. And then went "Screw you all, Imma just make Viego again"

She's a 4/10 for me sadly. While Riot revealed she wasn't the upcoming monster champ they had planned, her themes, concept and ultimate role in the story was wasted imo. She's meant to be the culmination of the void, the countless lives and information gathered by the voidborn which gave birth to her. The ultimate voidborn yet also their antithesis as she seeks to create a new world rather than consume and destroy the current one. Like idk, she just had so much potential because all Voidborn have been very unique one way or another despite conforming to different archetypes and roles. Kha'zix is a hunter but he can also evolve and adapt, Cho constantly feasts and grows larger, Kog'maw literally melts things and his kit reflects that, etc. She's supposed to herald a new age for the void, one that doesn't simply destroy, but rule. Yet she's just a giant stingray that does Jojo references. Its kind of underwhelming honestly. Compared to the other "final boss" style champs they've released, Viego, Mordekaiser, A. Sol. She just falls flat by comparison.

Nice choice of background music, very fitting ;)

im really happy about this she could be an issue but i kinda wish that her ult was along the lines that you unleash a horde of the kreeps that you killed in the jungle but you have to be in lane to buff them or the just wander into the enemy jungle to attack things because without a leader the void is just mindless something along those lines

Love your videos bro keep going crazy

She seems really dull. Don't know why you'd pick her over master Yi, Katarina, Irelia and Yasuo, which all shares the rush down pentakill fantasy, but more coherently designed and more spice in their kits

Viego: -A king -Jungler -Major threat to Runeterra -Rival is an ADC -Has healing ability activeable upon enemy takedown -High DPS -Lots of mobility -Manaless -Black mist -Bad event Bel'veth: -An empress -Jungler -Major threat to Runeterra -Rival is an ADC -Has healing ability activeable upon enemy takedown -High DPS -Lots of mobility -Manaless -Lavender sea -Good event?

The Distortion World theme from Pokemon Platinum is extremely fitting when talking about the _Empress of the Void_

Also, the whole theme kinda feels like a miss. She's a giant flying mouth but all her mechanics are about punching.

Love the content man, keep up the great work! I honestly can't decide whether she's overloaded or whether the specific implications of her kit gives her enough drawbacks to compensate for the highs. Either way she looks pretty fun. Sylas stealing her ult is hilarious, too

there is disconnect from what we see her do in the trailer, but i will be playing her. way more exited for her than zeri and renata combined. based on her trailer i expected a hit and blink knockback, corruption where the wall gets turned into grabby hands by her ability not unlike viego makes mist puddles and some form of mind control/distortion...i expected like a nearsight or an illusiion of some kind.

2:20 Bel'Veth is the "answer" to the durability update. Think about it, they increased the survivability of all champions across the board only to introduce a champion with infinite true damage scaling. Riot introduced a "problem" so they could sell us a solution. We thought the durability update was them finally listening to the community, but nope, at the end of the day it was a marketing ploy.

The distortion world bgm matches with her

everyone is saying mage but, i thought she was going to take a spot in the painfully under-used AP bruiser class

Good design. Her e can be cancelled (know u didn't know this at the time) and the aoe range isn't that big so it can be played around even though it being instant gives her good control over it. So it has both skill expression and weaknesses for enemies to exploit. W is simple and great and for a fighter/skirmisher the reset is nice to stick on targets. The Q is great design wise as it's easy to balance just be adjusting how much attack speed lowers it's CDs and the base CDs themselves. Her having no R (both in dmg and passive effects) means she can have a good base kit with just underwhelming numbers to balance her as a scaling champ. Basically she has good levers to balance around and good counterplay against her kit. Her e being able to be cancelled makes her worse than ire and yi in teamfight diving so the voidlings really helps her with that split push and 1v1 playstyle.

Bel'Veth release makes me think of Swain. If he ran around punching people with a bow and arrow. It's seems disconnected somehow. Maybe it's the wings thing.

Glad to see you're still kicking brother. Just do work that you're proud of. All that matters.

I honestly don't really like E and the wave spawn in her ult. Her E is weird to me because she is really hyper mobile and then she just has an ability that locks her in place, of course Irelia and Yi also have this so idk. Her minion spawning though I feel like they were making her abilities and then at the end remembered she is a swarm queen and had to figure out a way to put it in because they were too far in the change it.

Question: will there be a video about new mini rework for Taliyah?

Vars used the Distortion World track in a video about Bel Veth. Hehe, that´s perfect.

Her super void minion ult passive does make a lot of sense after playing her because as a jungler who would want a big push with hearld and someone who definitely wants a free ult without having to get a kill

I swear if I hear one more person say "she might be overloaded but she seems fun to play" imma lose it, it's not about her being fun to play, it's about her being fun to play and fair to play against. I don't understand how these people don't understand that an overloaded champ just ruins it for everyone but the person playing, and she might just get nerfed to the ground if she's Perma banned and cancer to play against.

Short answer, no. Her design, lore, and kit all conflict with each other. We all expected her to be like Malzahar but also like Renata. What we got was a jojo reference.

The only way this Champ is ever going to be not broken is if they make it so all healing effects are only half as effective on her. This is ridiculous.

I guess I'm just put off by her playstyle. I mean, you have a huge void monster. The monster of monsters. She's menacing and intelligent. And she just slaps you around with her wings? She's an AS champ? It looks goofy and doesn't really fit her. And it's not just a goofy auto animation. It's central to how she plays. I don't like it. She's has a giant, gaping maw full of teeth and never uses it. Why not save this concept for a different champ kit? The kit is strong and looks fun to play, as a kit. But it feels out of place on her. I think they should have definitely leaned on her summoning potential. We don't have enough champs that can summon minions and this was the perfect opportunity to bring one in. As it is, she can summon, yes. But it's so conditional that it's more of special treat than a staple ability. You could play and win an entire match and never summon your minions.

Some thoughts on Bel'Veth from what I've seen in videos and streams: Bel'Veth's ramping true dmg on her ult passive makes her objective damage really strong. When you are taking baron, rift herald, or dragon, you are sitting in one place and hitting the same target repetitively which would allow her to get a decent number of stacks from the true dmg. This also synergizes with the Void Remora part of her ult. Based on videos I've seen, the Void Remoras don't seem to be all that durable compared to minions so good waveclear should be able to do well against them. She's likely going to have a higher focus on objectives than other farming junglers because of the Void Remoras and her dmg to objectives. The lack of untargettability on Bel'Veth's ult makes taking a Void Coral in a fight a very high risk high reward option. Most of the true dmg on it is from the missing hp portion, it only does 150-250 base + 100% AP but she likely won't build any AP outside of maybe dark seal and nashors. Since she incentivizes you to build for attack speed, on-hit, and damage, she's likely to be very squishy which furthers the high risk of taking the ult. The heal she gets is minimal, most of the regen would come from the bonus HP. Riot August said that she is supposed to be a late game hypercarry, similar to Kayle. Her early game skirmishing is pretty mediocre since she doesn't have any attack speed and her early ganks are pretty much only held together by whether or not she can land the W knockup due to the lack of early game damage. Her clear speed is solid once optimized based on Phylaris' video. She can 3:10 full clear from blue side and 3:17 from red side without a leash. However, this clear is very difficult to get these speeds with because of her Q angles. For reference, this is about as fast as Lee Sin and Ekko's red side full clear and close to Diana's blue side full clear.

Just used her, pretty fun. After 3 items shes a monster and crazy single target destroyer. Her W is a great cc tool, buts its her Q is the bread and butter.

With the udy rework coming up, vars do you think they would still create a new champion who has 6 abilities like elise, nidalee and jayce in the future? I cant count gnar because he is not proactive. Not counting heimer and karma too.

yoricks R and velveth empowered applies to the same minions when died, or only one the things spawn?

I wasn't expecting an auto attacker either. But I also think it's a lot cooler that she's a field commander that takes the fight head on than an aristocrat that just sits back while others do the the work (she's more like Kerrigan from Starcraft than Swain, who's a strategist)

So they removed 5 Attack Speed kog'maw and now we got 7 attack Speed bel'veth

Bel'Veth isn't the "progenitor" of the Void, she's the exact opposite.

As someone who literally mains every void monsters (and has Kaisa, Malza and Kassa in my top 20 most played), I was quite disappointed about how she was promoted. I thought we were getting an absolute Unit, a final boss type of character like Aurelion or Mordekaiser. She ends up looking like a boss monster sure but at a similar level as Rek'sai or Renekton, and while that's nothing to laugh at... I was expecting something way stronger. In the end, even in her lore she seems to be all talk, saying she will be better than the watcher etc... but in the end she doesn't feel that powerful. That's why i'm not too sad about how she turned out and not sad about her gameplay because she doesn't radiate that "Final boss" energy and feels like a monster that is too cocky for its own good. So, in the end, unlike most people i'm not mad about what we got... but yeah she was marketed like so much more.

VARS I don’t know if this was in the video I’m still watching but you mentioned her stacking lethal tempo instantly well, her e applies on hits at a % of their damage but doesn’t limit it for stacking like black cleaver so 1 e and she has fully stacked lethal tempo

I know this isn’t the point, but what elo are you playing in where yi is using his w primarily as auto attack reset?

7:00 Her channel prolongs her passive stacks so yeah she is basically an irelia clone with q dash, w is aoe cc like irelia e, and vice versa for bel e and irelia w.

Can we get name of the music at the end?

Can we get a Part 2 because of her numbers and info? I feel like this came to early

Btw I think the Forbidden Idol item teased Bel'veth cause if u look closely monster in crystal is almost the same as her passive icon Death in Lavender. I think it was intentional

I wish she worked by creating minions in her human form and her ulti consumed her pets for a ulti. In no way does she feel like a swarm. The word they were looking for is flurry.

I am adding this like 2 months later but it would have been cool if one of her abillities applied the berserker effect on an enemy since she was marketed as a mind controlling queen. Could be bad or not but yea

we all got clowned by riot🤡🤡 who else expected her to be a mage centered around mind control and fish swarm???

It’s interesting her passive doesn’t flow well with lethal tempo so it. And also I personally think she doesn’t have great chase down power. Her dashes give good stick potential but like mord she isn’t great at catching up, just staying with you after she’s caught up

I personally was hoping she would be more of a mage or juggernaut that can convert jungle monsters into pets that fight for her, and the minion conversion portion of her ultimate is sort of like that which I like. Unfortunately it's not conducive to the rest of her kit and she looks annoyingly similar to Viego with how her kit doesn't mesh together very well and she has a reset mechanic. Character design-wise she's leagues (heh) above Viego, but her gameplay seems a bit lackluster in comparison.

POG TInjus is in the video ♥

10:38 yoda: Greed, Strong with this one

Im waiting for "monsters/void" champions for so long and this one is a complete letdown in pretty much everything.

I really hate her design, such a wasted opportunity. Expected her to be something like the zergs on StarCraft, that slowly consumes the rift, I even made a kit for her that personally fits better the void empress/world consumer theme Pasive: Killing champions will spawn a void tumor and void minions. Enemies will explote and deal dmg to nearby enemies if they die in corruption. Q-Void Swarm: Deals dmg to all enemies in range (similar to xerath Q but with less range) and slowing enemies. Enemies are rooted if they are on corrupted area W-Void Portal: Leaves a trinked that pasively spawns void minions(similar to Zz'rot Portal), void minions will atack the same target as Bel'Veth if in range. Void minions attack faster and deal more dmg if on corruption E-Living corruption: Leaves a void tumor creates corruption around it until destroyed(similar to Zergs creep tumor), needs a red trinked or control ward to clear it, also corrupted area give vision only to Bel'Veth and invisible champs are detected (similar to what red trinked does). While in corruption, Bel'Veth gains stealth, attack speed and move speed. R-The Empress of the void: Bel'veth transforms for X duration and gains extra vision range and health. While in this form void minions spawn around her. Can no longer gain stealth from corruption

what is the first music used?

As someome who looooves high attack speed, a champion dedicated to insane jojo/raiden numbers of slaps looks so fun!

Yooooo Zwag clips!

I thought she was gonna be horde motivated how wrong was i

It the same issue with viego that lore and teasers seem like a “subversion of expectations” which is fine if kept to a minimum

I think Bel'veth was pre-emptively designed to help in ending games after the durability patch. Everything about her just says 'take a long ass fight while waiting for baron minions to siege base' or 'stand still and hit it till it dies!'. Sure the actual execution doesn't feel fitting, but if the void lackeys exist to destroy minions and champions, it would make sense for the void boss to exist to destroy structures. 17 dashes to auto reset, knock up and slow to cripple skirmishers, steroids, infinite ramping true damage for objectives, free minions on baron, etc... It would probably be easier to liken her kit to a Fiora without vitals and yorick ult instead

Hope they eventualy rework her or make a champion that delivers the map corrupting, swarm spawning fantasy.

5:22 double scaling on character the sacrifaces damage for attackspeed, this unneded because again she has four, they could just have a 12 sec cooldown each.

I really expect a lot of confusion about how big her hitbox really is... are the wings part of it? is the hitbox still circular? etc.

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1:33 there is one issue, she instead of destroy, she recreates things she believes are better that way. So her being a speedy skirmisher slowly breaking things down to recreate them seems fine, Though I feel like pantheon should've e skirmisher to fit better with his lore and passively would walk tosward the fear source instead.

I do remember faintly, me and my friend talking about “lore-based” champions once, the best I can interpret this would be, the champions may have some lore stuff in-game, like how Akshan can use his gun to revive teammates

I just realized that her trying to kill a rammus would be hilarious

what is the song at 2:36

Welp, we will do the Armstrong meme with her, if it wasn't done already

When I think about empress, I think about queen and the queen in chess is the most powerful unit on the board. Bel'veth, as long as she gets going like how the queen in chess can decimate the board when she's early released, oh boy, she will rekt the rift.

I wish belveth was just yorick as a jungler, i want her swarm to be her focus and ive been let down ever since i saw her gameplay reveal

looks fun im gonna play her

How has riot still not learned

7:58 but the bigger question is, is she still countered by said character class, but just can deal with them. Id say yeah beacuse most of hea damage is her autos so if she can't catch them, maelstorm can be a fix, it's just why the damage reduction? shes already healing why give her more tankyness.

The only part I think is too much is the void remoras. Best thing I could think of is just making it like Swain ult and give her a single cast of remora per void coral consumed

9:15 - Steroid Ultimates! Theres a pretty cool video idea! Personally it's my favorite type of ultimate, I love going all "this isn't even my final form" on people!

her ult voidlings are affected by baron buff :DDDDD

such a funny character to watch just flapping around and wing slapping people to death.

6:28 no. It's more akin to master yi's w, where he gets a ton of damage reduction while healing himself. Fiddlestick heals around itself per time, and from what I saw thats the only reliable source of damage for it. that is why I believe bel'veth's damage reduction should be replaced with a shield or not be there at all due the lifesteal and damage being enough.