Benro S2 + S4 + S6 Video heads & A3573F Tripod - Review & Comparison (EXTREMELY detailed!) 

Hi there. Yes. Such basic friction based heads like the S2 (or the 128RC from Manfrotto for example) need a break in time (and you should also break them in for a minute or so before using them - Each time - Especially if you´re coming from a cold environment these days^^.) Well - Benro maybe also changed the grease to a non thicker one. I had the first edition of the S2, S4 and S6 heads - So maybe they changed not only the handles with the newer ones (they now have a blue ring on the handles btw. - The older ones don´t have that). Btw.: Even the (slighter dampened) 128RC I use normaly without any drag added at all. Already the grease is enough for most purposes. Should be the same with the S2 for example. You´re right. Btw.: I don´t have the S2, S4 and S6 any more (as I always like to test out new stuff to play around). So I cannot test it with the S2 for example by my own. But thx for the tips (useful for everyone reading this) ^^. Yes. The Benro S2P and S4P are also arca compatible. They are even better than the standard S2 and S4 - Because the original plates are quite crappy (and you get good ones with the "P" arca swiss models). So they are quite interesting for people, which are using the arca swiss system everywhere on their equipment. According optional heads: Well - I just use the Manfrotto 128RC, as it´s also using the 200PL Plate (which I use / have on a ballhead too). And it is a little bit eaiser to control than the S2 for example (and WAY lighter dampened than the S2 head I reviewed in this video - Even after breaking it in for a few minutes - Didn´t try it for an half hour or so though ^^). Also keep in mind - With the 128RC for example I can also control the panning drag / friction (to the exact setting I want to have). That´s also essential and not possible with the S2 (and so it´s still my second head for "run and gun" and as lightweight as possible stuff - Just with the camera + Lens + MIC for example). Btw.: I also plan to test out the new XPRO 2W head from Manfrotto. Should be the new edition of the 128RC ^^. But have fun with the S2P - It´s also a nice (small and lightweight) option. =)

Good to hear that the video helped. Just keep in mind that this video comparison is quite old. The newer S4 Pro model could perform way better (compared to the older version in this video ^^). LG

Thx too ^^. About the Benro heads: Also check out the Benro S7 (comes additionally with a panning / horizontal drag adjustment). Or you can also check out the BV4 / BV6 heads (here is my video to the BV4: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xmZYkBxCo_Y.html). LG

Well - I guess I should take the video down some time ^^. Its super old (and not up to date anymore). There are way better heads available now. Especially the Benro S7 and S6 Pro for example offer better features than the older S6 model. Or if you really want a "true" fluidhead, go for a used Benro BV4 or BV6 (you can even mount them on a flat base if you remove the threaded stud at the bottom). Those are a class higher than all the S-series heads - Also better drag wise than the S7 and new S Pro Models). But they are out of plastic (the BV4 and BV6 heads). So they are also more fragile ^^. LG

+Андрей Князев It´s good to hear, that my videos are helping. Btw.: If you really want a dirt cheap (good) head: Get the 128RC from Manfrotto. (One of the few manfrotto heads I REALLY like ^^.) You could even go for the Benro A38TD monopod and add a used 128RC for example.

+AustrianGeek Thank you for your advice. Unfortunately, in Russia this head costs $120 or more) For this price I have found JieYang JY0506 monopod with fluid head, it seems like very good choise.

I know. It´s expensive (new) - The 128RC. But used you can get it sometimes for about 50% less (so for around 50 to 60 bucks only). The JieYang looks also quite ok (it´s seems to be a Manfrotto copy). But it´s also not THAT cheap to be honest ^^. Btw.: If it´s possible (aka: you don´t forget about it ^^) please post here if you like the JieYang kit or not. It´s always good to know and helps others to decide. =)

+AustrianGeek I bought A48TDS4 monopod 3 days ago, very happy with this purchase. Thanks again for this video

What’s difference in the 3573 vs the 2573?

metaphorce42 Yes. A slight backlash is nearly always the case with the cheaper fluid heads - But you can compensate / minimize it by holding the head a little bit longer in place - As soon as you stop the panning (so the grease has time to "sit" - So it´s not pulling back the head too much - Though: You need a steady hand for that ^^) - And if possible, just use two or three fingers - That way the "shakiness" of your hand isn´t transfered onto the head (at least not THAT much). Btw.: Yes - Don´t forget to disable the stabilizer always while shooting on tripod. Not only with the camcorder - Also with the lenses (if you use stabilized lenses on your Canon) - It´s essential to get smooth and sitback-free pannings with your cameras ^^.

Would choose the Benro S6 or S7 (the newer S7 model is better according the pan drag settings). Or you can also check out the brand new BV4 and BV6 heads and tripod kits from Benro. The BV series heads are btw. at least one class higher than the S6 and S7 heads (and also all the other mentioned heads - Especially features wise). Why? Because those are "real fluid heads" with oil drag cartdridges (not drag based / only greased ones like the cheaper heads on the market -> The S6 and S7 are also greased base btw). You can check out my BV4 video - There you can check out all the features (and also some sample shots -> Just in case that the BV4 is possible price wise. Otherwise I personally would go for the Benro S7 - Best mid priced "bang for the buck" entry head actually ^^).

get an S8 if you want fluid pan resistance adjustment

+TheDennisChannel This video is quite old - And Benro brought an updated version with the blue ring on the handle already quite a while ago. Also important to keep in mind: The S6 head was brand new the time I made this video - The S2 and S4 not (so they maybe used a new grease in the S6 which is now also in use in the S2 and S4 - So there´s now maybe no stiback anymore). Though: Even if the grease is now maybe the same - Features wise the S6 is worth every cent more over the S4 anyway (and it´s still one of the best - if not THE best - really cheap fluid head on the market).

Hi there. You can go for that kit (the mentioned A48TDS6). But keep in mind the limits of a monopod kit - It´s never as comfortable and stable a a "real" tripod solution. Btw.: I personally actually use a "standard" monopod soltuion - without a mini tripod at the bottom (the Manfrotto MM294A4). Got it super cheap (used) and it´s quite nice (perfect balance inbetween weight and size). For smoother movements I combine it with a gimbal - the Zhiyun Crane. That way I combine the best out of two worlds ->The smooth gimbal movements - AND the added long term usability and stability of a monopod. That way I can basically shoot over the whole day and get perfect movements through the gimbal. If you don´t plan to go for a gimbal: Try out the mentioned kit (it´s a good start). BUT: Don´t expect wonders. Especially for super smooth pans it´s easier and better to go for a good standard tripod kit insetad. And to live with the additional weight and more limited mobility of a standard tripod ^^. Btw.: I personally prefer the S6 (over the S4). WAY better features ...

Good choice. The adjustable panning of the S8 head is quite nice (Btw.: I have the S8 here for a review actually - Just about a meter away ^^) - Way better panning compared to the S6 head. The first counterbalance step is quite strong yes - Nearly too strong (also had a problem with my lowest weight rig config as I put it on again a few days ago). But you´re getting a more robust head (with better panning, higher max. payload for the future AND a longer sliding plate for better adjustability ^^). Btw.: Yes. Using a baseplate (with short rods for example) helps alot to make the center of gravity higher (aka: To put more force on the counterbalance springs) - AND it´s also quite nice to have always 15mm rods with you - To add accessories for example ^^. Alternatively (or additionally) you can also add accessories (for example a monitor + articulating arm + a rechargeable battery) or just bare weight(s) (there are a few cheap 15mm rod attachable options available out there - On Ebay for example). Though: You also need to carry them with you - And don´t forget: A 100% perfect calibration is quite hard to achieve with a just three step counterbalanced head ... But the S8 is still the best one in it´s class ^^. So have fun with it =)

AustrianGeek thx. Your attention to detail is very helpful.

AustrianGeek Have been piling on the weight to find what the true weight for my S8 is at counter-balance setting 1. It is at least 3.3 kg, maybe a little more ie not 2.5kg as stated. A bit of a shame as I have to carry another kilogram backpacking in the mountains. I suppose the trick is to put that extra weight to work rather than just adding dead weight(s) ie add some useful accessory for my GH4. Sheesh $$$$

Well - That´s the problem - A high weight capacity with just a few counterbalance steps. Though: That´s a general problem (especially according the lower priced heads). According the weight capacity: Where did you see the 2.5kg weight capacity at step one? Never saw a load capacity vs COG chart from Benro til now ^^. Btw.: The 2.5kg are maybe measured at a higher center of gravity (maybe 75mm and not just 50mm - As 75 millimeters are more or less the standard for many fluid heads - At least the smaller and "middle sized" ones). But that´s not helping you - That was just mentioned as side info. Hmm. Well - Another solution would be, to search for a height riser - If your weight is way too low for the 1st counterbalance step that´s also a solution. But you´re not as flexible (as those have a fixed height normaly). Something similar to the "Vinten Vision Bridge" - Just everywhere mountable. The Bridge is also needed, to use lower weights on the Vinten heads ^^. On the other hand (I know, you don´t want to hear that - but): Maybe it would have been the better choice to invest more (for example in a used Sachtler ACE L head). It´s not as high usable as the S8 (load wise) - But it´s a good head for it´s price (i have one here since two weeks). I wasn´t THAT of a fan of the ACE M (as I had sitbacks with mine and the ACE aluminium tripod is / was unusable) - AND I also didn´t have luck with a ACE L in a local shop - But the ACE L head I have now here is really nice (especially compared to the S8). Maybe you can find one used quite cheap. Not easy - But possible. Or if you´re using another tripod (instead of the kit one), also the ACE M is for sure better suited for your usage (I think I had a monday model - Saw other flawless heads already live in usage). Just keep the max. payload in mind (as the ACE M only carries up to 4kg at 55mm COG, and the ACE L about 6kg at 55mm COG). HTH (hope that helps ^^).

AustrianGeek Thanks. I`m going to persist with the S8 as I also have a use for the 8kg end - I have 4 metres of 8020 aluminium rail which I can use as a boom on cliff edges. Heavy, but I use the 8020 rails for time lapse mainly.

Well - The video is REALLY old already (Mid 2013). And as you mentioned - They released since then at least one new upgraded version of the S4 (which you can see by the blue ring on the handle for exapmle). So I guess they also changed the grease / panning drag system with the new versions. Yes. Its really a problem, that Benro is not really widespread at local stores. But its just not like Manfrotto (which is now on the market since decades) ^^. Btw.: If your payload isn´t that high, then check out following heads: Manfrotto 128RC, 128LP or the old 136. Or search for a used Davis & Sanford FM18². Those heads are not coming with a counterbalance spring. But as far as you stay below or around 1kg max., they are REALLY good heads to start with. I use the 128RC since many years as a 2nd / 3rd fluid head and I am still super happy with it. If you prefer a certain quick-release system (and the 200PL of the 128RC model isn´t fitting your needs) then check out the 128LP model from Manfrotto. There you can mount the camera directly (and balance it out even without a quick release system) - Or you can mount your prefered system on it. The 136 is also nice - But quite bulky (and not really necessary for smaller cameras - But you can also search for a used one - Got mine for 35 bucks and it´s a MASSIVE and very good head). But the 128 models are more lightweight (so therefor better if you want to keep it small and lightweight). The Davis & Sanford FM18² is also nice and super cheap sometimes available. But I think it´s easier to go for a used 128 model (RC or LP). Tripod you can then choose the one you like / you want to have. Btw.: I am not THAT of a fan of the aluminium Benro legs - The carbon fibre are super nice. But I don´t like that the aluminium legs from Benro are a little bit on the "too thin" side according the leg-wall-thickness. And the black coating is also not the most robust one. Go for a used Manfrotto Aluminium one if you want to stay super cheap overall ^^. Hope that helps. Btw.: I actually plan to make a video of starters heads (including a bunch of more popular starter heads like the Velbon 368PH and the Neewer copy of it). But the ones mentioned are already the best ones. So check them out ^^. LG

Thanks for your detailed reply. I would be very interested in that video of starter heads. A lot of people are using mirrorless systems for video nowadays, so as lightweight and portable a tripod system as possible without compromising stability and height is what is needed. Yes, now I am thinking of putting together a manfrotto setup, as the manfrotto products are all available here locally. I shall check out the RC128 at the local shop, and the mhxpro 2w looks like a good one also (maybe slightly better?). A 190 or 290 series tripod, a levelling base would be nice also. The trouble is all that weight adds up ( 3.5k with base.. and the price goes up also), it is a long length unless you go for the 190 4 section, and I want to be able to carry it around with me, but still make precise pans and tilts. There is always the befree live kit which is nice and portable, but the tripod seems maybe a bit too thin and small and from what footage I have seen here on youtube the head doesn't seem to be quite as smooth as the RC128 or mhxpro, still it is a very compact and light system for mirrorless, maybe it works ok, or maybe a 190x with Rc128 without levelling base to start (low cost). Manfrotto need to make a slightly bigger version of the befree live with a better head I think.

Well - I had the MHXPRO 2W once and it wasn´t that nice. I had even problems with the counterbalance adjustment knob and the protection cap always fell of (which protects the panning screw / mechanism in the middle). Plus: There was always a play in the counterbalance system and also a little bit in the handle (so I had to send it back). Beside: Price wise it´s better to go for the smaller 128RC (or 128LP if you want to balance out your camera better). And if you want to invest more it´s still the WAY better option to go for a used Benro BV4 or BV6 for example - I saw them already for just 150 bucks (the BV4 at least). The point is: Those heads offer WAY more features, are also not super heavy / super big and can also be mounted on 3/8" threads (if you remove the stud at the bottom). Overall I also thought about adding heads with fixed springs (like the MHXPRO 2W or the MVH500). BUT: There are way too much models out there - And even with the smaller ones I already have enough lying around. It´s just making the video longer (too long to be precise) ^^. Btw.: Actually I use an 128RC on the Manfrotto 190X3 legs. This set is heavy yes - But quite solid. You can also go for a more lightweight tripod though. But keep an eye / your focus on 3 stage tripods. 4 stage ones are too thin most of the time (on the last leg stage). So they are less stable. And just to get a shorter transport length is not a good idea if you sacrifice stability for that. If you can, go for the 190CX3 (which is an older version with carbon fibre legs). Sometimes you get it cheap (and the older models are often more stable and better according the quality compared to the new models). I hate for example the new manfrotto tripod locks (the big ones with silver inlay). Clamped my fingers quite often already on my 190X3 model ^^. If you don´t need the vertical mid level column also don´t go for that one. It also removes stability overall. And sometimes it even adds an offset according the level (as the mechanics are sometimes not 100% even). Not a problem for taking stills - But annoying if you shoot video (if everything is offset). Just search for a used 190 or 055 model of the older series (with the smaller lock levers). You cannot do that much wrong doing that. Btw.: If you go for another tripod avoid ROUND mid level columns. They tend to slip if you don´t lock them down extremely. Especially with higher drag settings thats a problem. With the "notched" columns Manfrotto uses, it´s no problem at all (as there´s no way that it slips around because of the big notch their mid level columns are coming with). Man - I also need to make a video about tripods which are compatible for video ... ^^ Btw.: The BeFree head is completely useless. WAY too less drag (and absolutely NO control options on it - Just two flimsy and low quality locks for both axis). It´s definitely one of the least usable fluid heads from manfrotto. Absolutely no comparison to their good old 128RC and 128LP models. It´s like day and night. Don´t ask me why they are not releasing a more modern version of the 128 models - Just with a 501PL QR plate mounted - That´s missing actually. And offer it (optional) with a super lightweight (but rock solid) carbon fibre 3-stage tripod. Would make WAY more sense than their actual befree kits (which are also coming with the more flimsy leg-angle system which they use with their cheapest 290 models on the market). Just concentrate on the basics and the core usage - And everyone would applaud and be happy ... LG

Ok, good information there, 3 vs 4 section tripod, 90degree column or not, things I was already concerned about - So I purchased a 190x3 and 128rc head, very happy with them, not a heavy tripod at all (2kg) yet well made and sturdy, and very smooth fluid head for it's size. Good, thank you for your help! Very little information on video tripods out there, too much product placement, affiliate link advertising etc so an accurate, informative and unbiased review would by welcomed by many beginners.

THX for your kind words ^^. About your question: What´s the price difference inbetween the kits (and where did you check the prices)? As the price difference is normaly not THAT huge. At least here in Europe. Also at benro USA it´s just 25 bucks / dollars for example (checked it a few minutes ago). Btw.: Don´t oversee - Only search for the ALUMINIUM editions if you want to get a kit as cheap as possible - The carbon fibre editions are WAY more expensive because of the tripod. According the differences inbetween the S4 and S6: Well - You get the adjustable counterbalance yes (worth ALOT), you get an illuminated bubble, the seperate drag and locking for the tilting (vertical movement) AND also the higher max payload. So you get quite alot more with the S6. About the future: Well - I think you will keep the S6 always as a 2nd head - The S4 for sure not (as you will miss the features quite fast - WAY faster than with the S6 head). And there´s always something "better" out there - Especially according fulid heads. So don´t limit / cancel your purchases just because of that fact ^^. You need to work with the head for a quite long time ... I personally would go for the S6 (still the best head price- / performance wise) (!) HTH (hope that helps) ^^

It should work (as the S4 and S6 heads are interchangeable / they use the same flat-base). AND: There are no special editions (like it´s the case with some manfrotto heads). But keep an eye on the S7 (as it´s offering the same features as the S6 - But it comes with the controllable pan drag control).

Also check out the Benro BV4 and BV6 kits / heads. They offer way better quality and are quite often super cheap available used on ebay and co ^^. LG

Or Benro also release the new "S6 Pro" two weeks ago. Seems like a mixup of the S6 and the S7. So check it out too (BV4 and BV6 are for sure better though - They use way better fluid cartridge systems - The S-series are more of their entry level fluid heads in comparison.

Thx. About your S4 kit: Hmm. The kits are a little bith "tough" connected sometimes - Yes. Also my S6 kit was a little bit annoying to disconnect the first time ^^. Well - Yes - Just lock down the panning mechanism (more than usual / a little bit more) and also use the handle a little bit as "limiter" (so you´re not slipping off the head with your grip). THOUGH: Don´t forget the grub screws / headless screws below the head - Just unscrew them completely (if you want to be on the safe side while unmounting the head). Otherwise the head is locked on the tripod ^^.

Hi there. Thx for the hint. No - Didn´t saw them til you posted your comment ^^. Looks like they mixed the S6 and S7 to the new "S6 Pro". Its nice to see, that they also added more counterbalance steps (which is quite important - Especially with the S-series heads, which are normaly only using friction based drag systems and not oil / fluid cartridges (like the BV4 and BV6). I still use the BV4 btw. as a 2nd head and I am still impressed with it. Performs EXTREMELY well - I am quite sure that the new S6 Pro will not be better performing. Though: Its for sure a nice option if you want something more stury (the S-Series heads are out of metal - The BV4 and BV6 are out of plastic - So you also need to care better for them ^^). But overall: BV4 and BV6 still the kings (bang for buck wise / performance per dollar wise). Thx again for the hint btw. LG

@@AustrianGeek I'm loving my BV4 still too. It's nice to see that they have stepless drag control on the S Pro heads and I wonder if they'll update their BV heads with the same. It'd be nice if they also included a stepless counterbalance too!

​@@CommonSimpleFilms To be honest I am not THAT of a fan anymore of the Benro legs (at least not of the aluminum ones - Too thin leg wall thickness and the coatings are not that great) - So I use the BV4 with a Manfrotto MPro 535. But that kit is also kind of my "to go" video kit (as its also super lightweight). Too bad, that the BV4 and BV6 are not that well known (I got mine for 150 bucks or so over Ebay - Kind of unused - Saw it even cheaper over the last few months). About the stepless drag control: Always think about that fact - Stepless drag means most of the time (with cheaper heads), that its only using a friction based fluid system. Some are really good (on the Manfrotto Nitrotech N8 / 608 for example). But most of the time those have limitations (due to the max. possible pressure you can achieve - OR they tend to have severely more sitbacks as soon as you use them in colder conditions - Even the quite expensive Nitrotech heads behave like that as far as I have it in my backhead). The point is: As soon as you have stepped drag control, you´re switching inbetween different cartridges (with oil in them for example). And these cartdridges always deliver the same performance aka the same drag. The huge pro is: You can optimise those cartridges to deliver ALWAYS this exact drag (and even colder temperatures normaly aren´t a problem sitbacks wise, as the oil just gets thicker - So you get slightly higher drag - But no additional sitbacks due to grease or silicone which gets used in stepless drag systems like in the Benro S-series heads. SO: Overall it would not make sense to add that to the BV head series. Hmm. I really need to make a video explaining all this in general ^^. Stepless counterbalance is a different story (and would be possible maybe) BUT its also kind of problematic and hard to achieve. A stepped spring system jumps between different springs internally (which are exactly trimmed to deliver the needed strength over the WHOLE tilting / vertical movement of the head. The problem with constant counterbalance is, that you need a spring or something else (manfrotto uses for example a nitrogen-piston capsule in their nitrotech heads which delivers the needed pressure over the whole tilting - Which works quite well overall). But with a spring the problem is, to achieve perfect performance over the WHOLE tilting range of the head - And over the WHOLE payload range. Which can be from 0 to 8kg or even more. Its quite hard to design such a spring and I guess its also quite hard to achieve such a system (check out the Vinten Blue heads for example - They use only one spring but they are therefor also limited payload range wise - Why? Because the spring has a minimum tension - Therefor also the had has a minimum payload ^^. So overall the BV4 and BV6 are kind of the "sweet spot". The cheapest but also bet technical solution. And I guess its the best that way (they wouldn´t be that interesting anymore if they were double as expensive or so). Well - Pfft. Sorry for the long text. As mentioned I need to make a video in the future about that (as its explaining alot why you should choose this or that head - And were the differences are lying). Hope that helped to assure you, that you´re fine with your BV4. The only upgrade-option (which makes sense actually) would be the BV6 if you can find it cheap - Just to get a higher max. payload safety. ^^ LG

@@AustrianGeek Oh, I wasn't aware of the mechanics or design limitations. I'm not sure which head it was exactly, but I used an O'Connor head that had stepless control that was incredibly fluid and worked well.

​@@CommonSimpleFilms Well. The mechanics differences are quite important to know yes. Especially in cheaper heads it makes a huge difference ^^. About the O'Connor heads - Those use a completely different approach. Normaly they use a breaking system, as there is more than enough space in those heads to do so. They are then normally filled completely with oil (which needs to get replaced from time to time as particles are also dissolving into the oil from the breaking system). Some cheaper fluid heads also do it that way (they clamp around the tilting or panning axle to add more drag - Just not as advanced as the O'Connors and just with grease to avoid squeaking and that too much material is getting rubbed off). There are btw. also other systems on the market (from Cartoni for example). I guess they use a hybrid system (with oil cartridge and breaking system or normal drag plates). But there also only the bigger heads are really good - The smaller ones are just "ok" (I still have the HiDv here - Which is the older version of their smaller heads - Nice stepless counterbalance but the drag is also not perfect. For that you need the bigger Focus HD or the newer variants of the bigger 100mm heads. Those are really great ^^.

Hi there - Well. The A2883F tripod (which is part of this kit) seems to be of the new "AERO 4" series from Benro (with monopod feature and smaller size if packed together -> As the legs are also foldable upwards for transporation for exampe - And one leg you can disassemble to use it as a monopod). Seems to be quite ok (and the feedbacks I found are very positive thoughout the range ^^).

AustrianGeek Thanks for that, very helpful :)

payatotslim Well - I don´t recommend it (the KH25 - and the whole KH series in general) - I had the KH25 once and the whole kit is a mess (at least compared to the other "standard" tripod kits and the S or H series kits from benro). Even the smaller "Classic series" tripods from Benro are at least 10 times better. And as you can mount the Benro S8 everywhere (with it´s flat base mount / base), just check out those. For example: I use a Benro A2570T alot as my 2nd tripod (together with a Manfrotto 128RC head - For VERY low loads) - And it´s DEFINITELY one of the best tripods you can get in it´s price range (just stay at the A2 series or above - The A1 are just too weak. The A2 series - Like the A2570T - are more than just ok - I even prefer it over the cheaper Manfrotto series - As they are standing way better - And the base and leg connections are WAY more rugged and stable!). Btw.: Also the half bowl of the KH25 kit would be a problem - It´s a quite uncommon 60mm half bowl - For which you cannot get (that much) adapters - And you also cannot get other fluid heads that easy (just the Manfrotto MVH500 has a 60mm bowl - As far as I know. I would choose a standard 75mm half bowl tripod (plus a 75mm half bowl to flat base adapter - Like the Manfrotto 520BALL or 520BALLSH) - If you really want something to level way more easily (as always adjusting the legs is quite annoying with the S8 on "standard" stills tripods) - Then check out the new Benro "TN" combo tripods - They seem quite nice! For example the C3770TN + The Benro BA75 (so you can use 75mm half bowls). Not THAT (dirt-) cheap any more - But you get a very, very good carbon fibre tripod solution - With which you will be happy for MANY YEARS. And it´s worth every penny / cent (at least if the new "TN" tripods are as stable as the older series - Which i also use - And I bet they are ^^). Sorry for the long text ... Though: HTH (hope that helps) ^^ LG

Hi there. You can mount the heads everywhere, with a flat base mounting option (3/8" screw). The blue part is just for leveling on the tripod (Manfrotto 755XB for example offers a similar feature). Though: Its not really needed. Normaly adjusting over the legs (the level) is enough. Btw.: The video is quite old already - So take it with a grain of salt ^^. There are nowadays way more options on the market (also with flat base mounting). A way better option would be the Manfrotto 608 or older N8 head for example. But the S4 Pro should also "do it" if you just need a head to start with ^^. Have a nice day. LG

+Jotham Lim Nope. It was the drag of the head in my tests (the grease wasn´t perfect - They used new one in the S6. At least at the time I tested the heads). Btw.: I know - The benro locks and especially the mid level column locks are not perfect. That´s maybe also the case why the kits are only available with lower drag heads like the S4 and S6 - As then you don´t need to lock down the mid level column THAT extreme. With higher drags you need to add A LOT of force to lock them down. Quite stable stills tripods - But by far not perfect with every fluid head (as there are also a few with more panning drag out there on the market). I am actually also searching for a good super light tripod. It´s planned to make a comparison video soon (maybe you´re interested in that one too ^^).

Hmm. That´s not that easy to answer. The problem is, that the 5.5kg of your bigger setup (with the URSA Mini) is a quite high already for cheaper / smaller heads. And it´s not only the overall weight of the kit itself - It´s also the height of the center of gravity. And as the URSA Mini is quite high / big. So the center of gravity also sits higher compared to a quite small (low profile) DSLR rig for example. The point is: The higher the COG (center of gravity) is above the head, the more payload the head has to withstand (because it´s applying a bigger force because of the leverage effect). Well - Most of the time the payloads are given for a quite small 50mm COG value (that´s the case for most Benro heads for example). And that COG is more capable for DSLR rigs (which are not that high). The URSA Mini in comparison has a height of around 150mm (and the battery also sits at the back at this height). So divided with two it has a COG of around 75mm. Overall you loose about 1 up to 1.5kg of payload range if you go from 50mm COG to 75mm COG. The 8KG S8 is then around 6.5 to 7KG and the S7 around 5.5 to 6KG (instead of the stated 7KG). So the S8 or S7 "SHOULD" be enough payload wise. Though keep in mind: Those are not "real" fluid heads (they are based only on drag based systems -> With grease instead of Oil cartridges). So the max drag is limited - And that´s quite a problem with higher payloads. For your ACTUAL payload (at around 3KG) I would go for the Benro S7 (kind of a "middle way" inbetween the smaller S6 and the quite heavy S8). Or you could also go for the Benro BV4 or BV6 if the price is ok for you (as these are coming with "real" oil fluid cartridges - So the drag is WAY better with them). Though the problem is, that both (the S7 and the bigger BV6) are on the max. limit with the future URSA Mini kit (with the BV6 performing WAY better because of the better drag system). You could search for a used FSB6 or FSB8 (both coming with enough payload for the URSA Mini kit). But those are in a completely different price class. Just as a side info: The smaller FSB6 has 8.5kg at 50mm COG and 7kg at 75mm (so it would be a good choice for your future kit with even a little bit of "safety" according the payload). Btw.: The S7 is a flat base (which you can mount to ANY 75mm adapter - There is no limitation there btw.). And the BV4/BV6 and FSB6/FSB8 you can also mount on any slider if you remove the screw at the bottom. Then there is a standard 3/8" mounting thread you can use on any jib or slider. Just don´t remove it THAT often (as then the thread is wearing out). For slider and jib applications it´s then better to have a 2nd (smaller head) ^^. Btw.: I reviewed the BV4 (which is basically a BV6 with two less spring steps). Check it out - Maybe it´s a good start: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xmZYkBxCo_Y.html OK. That´s it for now. Hope that helps ^^. As a last hint: Don´t forget - You get what you pay for. There´s a HUGE step from the S7 to the BV4/BV6 - And again a noticeable one from the BV heads to the FSB heads. ^^

Thanks for such a detailed response. I am liking the sound of the s7 head. I think I should be able to decrease the weight a little more for jib use (smaller battery, lighter rails). My only concern with it is that I'm hearing some inconsistent stuff in reviews. There isn't nearly as much out there about it as the s8, but somebody commented that it was not able to hold what it's rated for, and a couple of reviews on B&H said they weren't satisfied with the smoothness of pan and tilt. Now myself, I'm not super picky about the smoothness, which isn't to say I'm not a little picky. I hated the Manfrotto 502 but I have the Manfrotto 500AH and while it's only good for rigs under 2kg and doesn't have drag settings, I think it's pretty great. From the video reviews I've seen of the Benro B8, I think I would definitely be satisfied. Some reviewers have said the s7 is almost exactly the same but some, as I mentioned, say it's not that good. On the basis that I would be happy with the s8, do you think the smoothness of the s7 would satisfy me? And have you tried it to confirm that it really does hold it's rated weight?

Well - The S7 is a friction based (grease based) head. So the maximum drag is limited. AND also the "fluidity" or lets better call it "smoothness" is also limited. Especially if you apply the max. drag (because you need to do so with higher payloads). The problem is: Think about two plates which are pressing against each other - And there is grease inbetween - If you apply alot of force the plates produce more friction. BUT also the grease is pressed out. So you also loose smoothness. That´s the point why I mentioned the BV heads (as they are still cheap BUT offer real oil cartridges - Which don´t have this issue and offer higher drag from scratch on). For your 3kg setup the S7 is fine. Also up to 4 or 5kg. But. the higher the payload (so the higher you get to the max payload), the more drag you need to keep it in place - Especially if you are exactly inbetween two counterbalance steps and you need the vertical drag to compensate for that. Friction (aka grease) based heads are really bad in such situations. Overall you can go for the S7 for now. But the URSA Mini needs something better. It´s no use to save on every gramm (as there are situations you are not able to save additional weight). And then you´re annoyed by the head becuase it´s not offering the same performance as with your actual 3kg setup. So the quetsion is, if it´s not better to save a little bit more and invest your money in a better head. About the S8: Pfft. It´s such a while ago that I tested it (and I had it in my hands). Actually i only use my quite old 128RC and the ACE L most of the time. I don´t remember what the max payload was. But I didn´t test it to the absolute maximum. Also wouldn´t make sense (as the friction based drag would be not enough to get a really good performance). And it was a "no go" for me because of it´s size, weight and the fact, that the first spring step started WAY too high (a mess for small setups). For smaller applications I still love the 128RC (Manfrotto) as it´s more than enough for a camcorder or system camera (even with a few accessories). As mentioned before: PAYLOAD wise the heads (S7 / S8) are maybe capable of holding the max weight up evenly (at 50mm center of gravity). But because of the missing drag support for such high payloads it´s not a great idea to do that. It´s more like a trick to sell more heads as people always LOVE to get more payload - Even if it´s only useful on paper =). About the tests / reviews of the S7: Well. I think there are two types of users - Type one is coming form even cheaper and smaller heads and they are happy to get WAY better control over the drag and the counterbalance (many don´t even know what the counterbalance is for ^^). And those are positively surprised - As the heads are quite cheap (and good overall). The second type is maybe even using other (real) fluid heads, and they know what is possible. And they maybe search for a cheap 2nd or 3rd head (for a slider, jib and so on). They are more critical as they search something with the same performance as their main head - But they don´w want to pay much - As everyone out there ^^. Those are the more critical tests / reviews. Overall you can get the S7 for your ACTUCAL setup (the S7 should be quite nice / useful for up to 4 or 5kg). BUT: Go for a better head (BV6, ACE L, FSB6 / FSB8 or another better "real" fluid head) if you also plan to use it with your URSA Mini setups. Don´t save on the wrong place. It´s better NOT to get the URSA Mini and invest in a good tripod + lenses instead. Just the URSA Mini alone is not producing a great image ^^. Hope that helps to decide. Have a nice day! LG

Thanks for the very detailed response, but I think maybe you have a higher expectation for smoothness than me. I dunno, but when I was testing the Ursa Mini, I was using it on a really basic level friction head (Manfrotto 701) and for pans, I was TOTALLY happy with it (tilt not so much, but that's because it had no useful counterbalance at all). I'm sure true fluid cartridge heads are impeccable, but there are friction heads that I absolutely love, so all I really need to know is that it is as smooth or smoother than my 701 with a higher counterweight capacity, which the Benro S8 looks to be from reviews, and which the Manfrotto 501 certainly isn't. So are you saying that the S7 does not have enough drag to support the ursa kit? As for going for lenses and tripod over camera... tripod I can see it's important... lenses, if you get decent ones, I think having a high quality camera is much more important. You don't need to pay much for high quality lenses, and above like the Rokinon cine primes, the increasing price is not remotely worth it.

Well - Panning alone is quite nice on the S heads too (at least on the S7 and S8 with the pan drag control mechanism). But the drag system is most of the time not strong enough for the higher payloads (especially at more extreme angles). The S8 is a little bit better there, as the drag system is a little bit bigger than on the S6 and S7 heads. But there are still the technological limitations (as it´s just a drag / grease based head). If you just want SOMETHING to hold your URSA kit in place (without that much attention on the smoothness / drag quality tilting wise), then try out the S8 - There´s no other option in this price range anyways. But just don´t expect wonders ^^. And you need to keep it at slight angles (vertically / tilting wise). Then it should work. Though especially for higher payloads you normaly need also a good head. There´s just no way around that fact. And I can assure you that (as I used quite alot heads til now). About lenses / tripods: If you have decent lenses - Then you can go for a better camera. Sure. But don´t oversee to invest in a good tripod and fluid head. A good tripod kit you have for a lifetime (or until it breaks) - So every invested buck is a good invested buck ^^. Well. Try it out (the Benro S8 - The S7 makes only sense with your actual - smaller - payload). Maybe the S8 is also "enough" for now / to start with the URSA Mini. (But also keep in the back of your head to save for another head / tripod kit in the future.) Have a nice weekend! LG ^^

Ja. Sie passt. Aber der S8 Kopf verwendet eigentlich die längere Variante (501PLONG bzw. 504PL - Beide baugleich übrigens). Ebenso wichtig: Würde unbedingt die Platte auch gegen ne bessere tauschen (wie beim S4 bzw. S6 im Video erwähnt). Habe nämlich selbst gerade den Benro S8 hier für nen Test - Und habe auch bei jenem die Platte getauscht (da die originale Benro nicht derart "schön" in den Kopf gleitet - Bzw. wie die anderen Platten von Benro von geringerer Qualität ist). Die 504PL bzw. 501PLONG Nachbauten gibt´s aber für gerade mal 20 bis 30€ auf Ebay (direkt aus China). Von daher finanziell auch kein Beinbruch ^^. Verwende auch einen solchen Nachbau - DEUTLICH besser in den Gleiteigenschaften (und deutlich bessere Beschichtung als die Benro-Variante). Auch passen die 501PLONG und 504PL in die 501PL kompatiblen Halterungen. D.h.: Auch bei ner Manfrotto 577 Basis oder z.B. dem Benro S6 kann man ebenfalls die längeren Platten verwenden (was noch etwas mehr an Montage- bzw. Einstellungspielraum bietet - Und somit das Rejustieren des Rigs z.B. auf der Platte meist noch etwas hinaus zögert ^^.) Wichtig wäre auch noch zu erwähnen: Beim S8 muss man etwas aufpassen. Er ist qualitativ ganz ok (besonders zum niedrigen Preis). ABER: Die erste Gewichtsausgleichsstufe beginnt bei ungefähr 3kg (!) (+/- ungefähr 0.5kg je nach Höhe des Schwerpunktes). D.h.: Wenn auch sehr kleine Gerätschaften darauf Platz finden sollen (und das mit aktivem Gewichtsausgleich), dann ist der S8 nicht gerade optimal. Der S6 startet DEUTLICH darunter (ca. 1 bis 1.5kg bei vergleichbarem Belastungs-Schwerpunkt). Ist auch wichtig für kleinere Rig-Aufbauten - z.B. kann es nämlich sein, dass man TROTZ einigem an Zubehör (und großer Optik) z.B. nicht auf diese Belastung kommt (dann "levelt" der Kopf immer von selbst - Bzw. man muss beim Neigen gegen den Kopf arbeiten). Auch wichtig: Die vertikale Dämpfung ist beim S6 als auch beim S8 IDENTISCH (!) Das Problem dabei - Die maximale Stärke ist begrenzt - Was besonders bei höheren Belastungen etwas problematisch wird (besonders, wenn man recht weit von der optimalen Gewichtsbelastung weg ist - Andere Köpfe können besser zwischen zwei Stufen ausgleichen - Das schafft der S8 leider nicht). Die Sprünge sind beim S6 auch kleiner - Da fällt es zumindest nicht mehr DERART ins Gewicht. Der S8 ist kein schlechter Kopf - Keine Frage. Aber leidet leider etwas unter "Fehldesign" - Bräuchte dringendst eine stärkere Dämpfung vertikal / beim tilten - Und mehr Gewichtsausgleichsstufen (die auch tiefer starte - Ebenfalls bei 1.5kg z.B. wie der S6). Dient jetzt nur zur Info (welche aber recht wichtig ist denke ich) - Falls nämlich auch Kleineres verwendet werden soll, würde ich also eher zum S6 greifen (und das gesparte Geld wo anders investieren). ODER natürlich gleich ne Stufe höher gehen (und was deutlich besseres holen - Das man auch nach Jahren noch problemlos verwenden kann mit anderem bzw. sogar schwererem Equipment). Sachtler ACE L z.B. (bis 6kg @ 55mm COG) - Oder Cartoni H548 (sogar bis 7.5kg @ 50mm COG und mit STUFENLOSEM Gewichtsausgleich - GENIALES Feature!). Erstere gehen teils recht günstig gebraucht über den virtuellen Ladentisch (~ 700 bis 800€ teils auf Ebay - Habe selbst ein gebrauchtes ACE L TT Kit ersteigert vor einiger Zeit und verwende es immer noch) - Und letzeres (das Cartoni) kostet neu um die 800€. Ist zwar viel - Ich weiß - Aber beide sind JEDEN CENT WERT (!) Ansonsten S6 kaufen (gebraucht teils sogar schon < 100€ zu bekommen - Siehe Ebay) und dann auf ein größeres / besseres Kit sparen beginnen. Sorry für die lange Antwort. Hätte einfach nur mit nem Satz antworten können. (Ist aber irgendwie nicht mein Stil ^^). LG

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zcarenow Well. If you´re only using the NEX-6 + a native (small) lens, the S4 is oversized. In general I would choose the Manfrotto 128RC (also over the Benro S2) for such a small payload / weight - As it´s not as stiff dampened and don´t suffer that much of a "sitback" horizontally (in comparison to the S2). Btw.: The 128RC is working quite smooth with very lightweight camera systems - Like your NEX-6 or a consumer camcorder for example. I am using it by myself together with a Benro "Classic" A2570T tripod (for such light weights) - And it´s a VERY nice combo (!)Btw.: Also the "Classic" Benro tripods are INGENIOUS (if you need a new set of legs) - Very stable and the base / connections are very stiff and "play free" - REALLY nice for shooting video on them - HIGHLY recommended (if you can find them for a good price) (!) (Though: I recommend the screw lock versions - With the "T" at the back of the model number - As the quick lock connections are often a little bit flimsy and unstable / unsafe on the smaller & cheaper tripods - In general - Not Benro specific ^^).Hmm. Quite long text already for your first question. Sorry *g*. About the S4 and S6: Yes. You can mount them everywhere (on every monopod or tripod with a flat base mount). Even a 75mm half bowl tripod is possible (if you´re using a 75mm flat base bowl). Quite nice to level your head btw. ^^.Well - I should have read the rest of your post first - As you already have a Gitzo - Sure - Just get the head and mount it on there. THOUGH: In general I would get the S6 head (especially if you´re planning to upgrade your kit soon - Monitor, rig parts, audio recorder, microphone and so on) - As the S4 head is by far not as "controllable" as the S6. And the S6 head is also better sitback wise (horizontally) and more "future proof" (according it´s max. payload) - It´s really worth the additional price (and one of the best heads in it´s price range). Though: If you don´t plan to upgrade to a heavier kamera-system / kit soon - Just get the 128RC (mentioned above). It´s quite good - lightweight - small and you can get it very cheap used (on Ebay for example) - It´s a very good "to start" head.I used my quite old Panasonic GH2 for that (all of my videos are shot with the GH2 - But with different hacks and lenses - Actually I am using the DrewNET T9 LongGOP hack at around 40MBits/s). According the S4 and S6 movements: Well - As mentioned the S6 is better horizontally (very low to zero sitbacks) - And vertically you need to invest WAY WAY more to get perfect movements - So keep this in mind (Oh - Forgot to mention til now - If you want even better horizontal control, there´s also the even bigger S8 head from Benro - There you also get horizontal dampening control - Which is not possible with the S6 head - There you only get fixed drag - Which is not THAT stiff - So it´s sometimes quite hard to pan / move horizontally with the S6 - Here even the 128RC is better dampened ^^).Additional / general info: If you really want something VERY GOOD (also vertical movement wise), you need at least the new Cartoni SmartPro - Or a Sachtler FSB 6 or FSB 8 (so "real" fluid heads - No drag based ones) to get enough control over your counterbalance. Because: You need to balance out your head very good (to nearly perfect) to get very good vertical movements (combined with a very good dampening / drag of the more expensive heads). Btw.: I hope you know, that you need control over your counterbalance system (on the head) to balance it out properly - Here the S6 head shines - You get at least zero + three steps (so you can use loads from nearly zero up to 4kg quite well). With the S2 or 128RC you don´t get a counterbalance spring at all (so it´s working just well up to 1kg or so - Then the drag is too weak for the load and the head is falling to the front or back if you´re tilting it too much and you´re not holding it back) - And the S4 head (and HD701 / MVH500 from Manfrotto for example) have a "fixed counterbalance" for a specific weight - If you´re below, the head is always pushing to the even position - If you´re too high (over the specific load), it´s also falling to the front (or back). With the S6 you would use counterbalance-step zero or one (with your NEX-6 for example). But you can also add other things - Then you need maybe step two - So your head isn´t falling to the front or back - The counterbalance spring is NO LEVELER (to push the head back in even position) - The head should stay where you leave it (also if the camera is pointing for example downwards and you´re releasing your hand from the handle) (!)*Pfft*. Well - Ok. Sorry again for the long text. But I think it clears out nearly everything you need to know *g*. Final words: I would start with the 128RC or the S6. And if you have the money lef even the S8 (as it´s feature wise the best choice below 500 bucks and it´s panning / horizontally wise "smoother" and more controllable than the S6).HTH (hope that helps) ^^

Geat info! I appreciate it...if i have questions in the future, i would like to ask again if you don't mind.

zcarenow Sure. Just send me a mesage ^^.

Hi there. Well - This video is already quite old (and back then I had the very first revision of these heads). They changed the grease (and also a few parts) since then - For example the blue ring on the grip indicated that it´s already one of the newer generations. I assume, you have such a model - Am I right? But also overall I like the Manfrotto 128RC more than the Benro S2 (from scratch on), as there you can also adjust the drag on the panning, not only the tilting, which is quite often a "life saver" (as you can use it for a wider range of payloads and applications). But the S2 is also nice yes. At least with the newer greasing (heard that already also from other people -> That the greasing got better on both - The S2 and also the S4). LG

Yes my Benro Aero 2 model is the new model with the blue ring on the grip.

Matthew Putt Well - The mid level column isn´t as nice as a 75mm or any other leveling ball adapter (which are normaly coming with one up to three grub screws - To lock the head from the bottom). With the S6 kits you lock the head only by turning it clockwise onto the leveling column / base (panning of the head locked down!). So you need to to turn it counter clockwise, to get it off. ^^ Hope that helps ... Btw.: I still like the S6 kits (as a starting / super cheap solution). Still the best choice in it´s price range. (IF you plan to buy it. ^^)

beamwalker Hmm. Habe das A3573F leider nicht mehr (da ich die meisten Sachen wieder veräußern muss für "neues" zum Testen ^^). Aber es SOLLTE baugleich dem "classic" A3570F sein (nur kommt jenes natürlich ohne nivellierbarer Mittelsäule - Welche aber sogar nachrüstbar ist wie es aussieht - Nennt sich "Benro ALC3 Mittelsäule").Die Daten des Classic:Max. Höhe: 1735 mm Normale Höhe: 1570 mm Min. Höhe: 275 mm Zusammengeklappt: ~700 mmMit der nivellierbaren Mittelsäule dürfte der zusammengeklappte Zustand jedoch minimal länger sein. Bez. der Nivellierung - Naja. Man muss sie schon ordentlich fixieren. Mit "leicht zuschrauben" läuft da natürlich nichts (wie bei den normalen kleineren 60mm bzw. 75mm Halbschalen). Aber sie hält schon einiges. Zumindest hatte ich keine Probleme mit dem S6 Kopf und 4 bis 5kg Belastung. Ich hatte sie aber immer ordentlich arretiert.Ich hoffe, das beantwortet die offenen Fragen ^^.

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+Juandi Aznar Hmm. If it´s possible, I would go for the Benro S6 head (it´s still the cheapest head according it´s features). Normaly you should get it used quite cheap (from time to time) on Ebay for example. Also got the kit in this video used as a B-STOCK / display from a german dealer (for a very good price). The Benro S2 btw. is not my favorite choice (at least the unit I got was way too stiff dampening wise). I would go for a used Manfrotto 128RC head instead (with a cheap set of legs if you don´t have some lying around already). Still using that one on my second (super small / lightweight) video kit. The HUGE pro of the S6 on the other hand would be: You get full control over the counterbalance (the S2 and 128RC heads are not coming with an counterbalance system at all - So they are basically only usable for example with the 600D + a lens and external mic alone). So the bigger S6 would be also WAY more future proof (at least if you plan to get other accessories or other camera setups in the near future). Btw.: The KH25 is on a far lower level (according features and price). Would not go for that ...

Thanks! Yesterday I bought a kit Manfrotto 755XB + 501HDV + official bag for 175€!

Oh. Too late - Sorry. Also a good kit at this price point. Have fun shooting ^^.

No problem man, thank you anyway ^^ I think I made a really good purchase 'cause the legs cost 250€ new on amazon haha

Hmm. I don´t own the S6 any more - But it sounds like your locking knob is repositioned wrong: Dismount the QR plate from your camera -> Lock it down on the head -> Pull out the locking knob and HOLD it in that position (it should move freely now) -> Reposition it anti-clockwise to a "better working" position. That should work if the knob is really repositionable. As mentioned - I don´t have the S6 head any more ^^.

Hey thanks, just tried that but unfortunately no luck. It doesn't matter what I do, then knob still needs to be turned clockwise at least three times in order to tighten, and when the camera is attached it makes this impossible as the camera base is in the way....Also now the centre column is jammed after loosening the dial and lifting it up :-/ Oh well. Thanks anyway though.

George Tyler Hmm. Weird. Go to 25:52 in the video. Normaly you just need about 90° to lock the plate in position. At least with the (more recommended) original Manfrotto 501PL plate I am using in the video (and I recommended in the video). Btw.: I don´t understand how it´s possible to turn the QR plate locking knob THREE times (3x 360°) - As there is a knob limiter pin to avoid that operation. Is it possible, that your head is just faulty (or that you misaligned your locking knob completely - Or you´re using the S8 head - There is no limitation pin)? Don´t forget (in general): You just need to unlock the knob SLIGHTLY (so the QR plate is moving on the head). There is (by far) no need to turn it completely THREE times to unlock it ... Sorry for the harsh words - But I am really confused now. Btw.: I hope, you´re really talking about the QR plate locking pin and about the S6 head. ^^

I did yeah....I spoke to someone who told me it's a common issue with DSLR's and tripods, but he gave me a few tips such as using a plate to screw onto the top of the tripod plate to lift the camera base further up, but also, and my preferred choice, which is to tighten the ratchet a little before slipping the camera on, and then finish tightening it once the plate is in place. It actually took me a while to get used to, but now I do it easily enough and it's quite quick and hassle free. Are you having the same difficulties?

No worries. After my original frustrations, I'm now very happy with the tripod and would say it's very good for the money. If you do have the same problem as me, as I said, tighten it as much as you can before sliding the camera on and then finish tightening it once it's on. Good luck. Cheers.

It´s the tripod - The A2573F is just a little bit lighter built & smaller than the A3573F. Though: Even the smaller / lighter 2573 model is more than enough to get a stable and rugged stand. (I love my small "classic" edition A2570T though ^^).

Thanks. I couldn't find that information anywhere on the web, not even on Benro's site.

Well - Benro isn´t informing that well about their products - And the local sites (for example the US page) are always way behind according new stuff. But hey - At least the quality is good (at a quite low price) ^^. Have fun with it! =)

Sure - You can also use the Benro S7 on the BeFree legs. The head is equipped with a flat base (so you can mount it on any flat surface with a 3/8" stud - Or on any 1/4" stud flat surface, if you use an adapter from 1/4" to 3/8" ^^). But keep in mind, that the BeFree legs are REALLY lightweight and not that rugged. They are primarily designed to be used for stills. And for video I wouldn´t recommend them for more than just a camcorder or DSLR / system camera on top (with very low drag on the head - Otherwise the legs are bending quite fast or slipping away from the underground). So it´s questionable if they are a good base if you plan to put more weight or a whole rig on top. I personally would go for other legs (with a flat base base on top would be perfect), if you plan to use them for video primarily. My personal favorite leg wise is the Feisol 3442 RAPID for example (as it´s EXTREMELY lightweight and still rugged - And you can upgrade it to a 75mm half bowl if you want to use a 75mm half bowl head in the future - Or a 75mm half bowl adapter for the S7 head). But price wise two classes or so above the BeFree - I know. Overall you can try out the combo - But just don´t expect too much rigidity from the BeFree legs ^^.

+Good Man Pictures Well - According the heads first: The S6 is features wise better than the 502 from Manfrotto. (You get the adjustable counterbalance for example - Which is worth quite alot.) And it is also more lightweight (if that´s important for you). The 502 on the other hand features the better and longer baseplate from scratch on. (At least if you need the longer plate to get better adjustability with rig systems it´s a nice feature. With the S6 head you need to replace the original plate because the coating is quite annoying. But replacement-plates are quite cheap at around 15 to 20 bucks or so. AND you can use the same longer 501PLONG or 504PL 3rd party plates on the S6. So not that of a big con.) Another difference is the panning drag control - You get it with the 502 - But not with the Benro S6. If you really want that too you need to go for the Benro S7. Basically the same features as the S6 - BUT with panning (horizontal) drag control. Just keep in mind that also the counterbalance steps are getting higher / are starting higher. (But at least you have the CHOICE which counterbalance strength you want to have - Not possible with the 502.) Btw.: For SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT camera I recommend to get the Manfrotto 128RC anyway (additionally). It´s super cheap used (around 50 bucks), very lightweight and quite comfortable with system cameras or camcoders. Even on sliders it´s quite nice. Just as a hint. Well - Would I go for the S6, S7 or 502 - I think I would go for the S7 or 502. And the 502 only if I could test it out first if it´s used (or if I would buy it new). (AND if it´s more important to get better pans than with the S6. The missing counterbalance adjustment on the 502 head is quite annoying.) Btw.: Why I would want to test out the 502? -> Because in the past I had a "smacking" 502 (which made noises while operating). But that´s quite a while ago - So it´s now maybe better (maybe they changed drag system). The controls are also positioned a little bit weird - But it´s usable. Maybe I test it again. There are not that many options out there for good (cheap) fluid heads. About the tripod: I had a few BENRO tripods til now. The mid level columns are not that stable twist wise. So I would avoid them for video usage. (Didn´t recognice it in this video as the S6 head isn´t THAT strong dampened panning wise - Though it´s "ok".) But if you go for a tripod with a flat base anyway, then they are more than just ok at the low price point (like the COM37A). Just keep in mind to put something on the hook. (Your backpack / bag for example.) Then it´s WAY more stable. And keep an eye on the locks. Clip lock tripods tend to scratch the legs vice versa (with the screws of the clip locks pointing inwards) ^^. (I shortened the screws on a few tripods - And on one I put some plastic caps I made out of heat shrinking tubes. Sticky tape is also ok. Just not looking that nice - Just as a hint to keep your tripod in a good condition as long as possible.) Hope that helps. Btw.: If you have only a camcorder / system camera, start with the 128RC first (and the COM37A). You can always add the S6, S7 or 502 (or any other head) in the future. (With an adapter even 75mm half bowl heads are fitting on the COM37A - At least with the older models it was possible.) Sorry for the long test btw. ^^ (It´s like with my videos - They are way too long ...)

Great detailed analysis. It would definitely help me to make a decision :)

+Joshua Ryan Britt In short (which is quite uncommon for me ^^): YES. (Especially for smaller cameras it makes sense as it offers WAY more control over the S4.)

Sure it would work - The S6 head is compatible to every flat base head tripod. BUT don´t forget: As mentioned in the video - The tripod of the S2 kit is quite weak. It´s by far not compareable with the stability of the A3573F or A3573T tripods (which are coming with the S6 as a kit - at least here in Europe). I would at least get the S4 kit legs (aka A2573F or A2573T) - They are quite ok - Even fully extended. So in general I think it´s better to invest a few bucks more in the normal S6 kits (or at least the 25-series legs) - Btw. also don´t forget: You get a compatible bag with the S6 kits - Which is quite nice quality wise. The bag of the S2 kits is for sure too small (for the S2 kit sticks + the S6 head). And a good bag is worth a lot (especially if you´re travelling quite often - OR if you want to keep your kit in a good shape as long as possible ^^). Hope that helps.

To said it clear: Avoid the KH25! I had it once and it´s a mess. Way to unstable tripod and spreader. And the head is also not controllable THAT well and isn´t that feature-packed like the S4 or the S6 heads (especially the S6). So all in all the S4 kit (with the A2573F for example) is DEFINITELY better. Also because it´s nice to use the tripod with foto heads / gear (which isn´t possible - or let´s say not THAT comfortable - with double rod video tripods). Especially because of the leveling base (and more lightweight, more flexible and easier to unpack design). Btw.: In general I would choose the S6 head over the S4 (as mentioned in the video - no stibacks, way better features, EXISTING counterbalance control - so all in all WAY MORE future proof than the S4 head). For your slider the A2573F should be ok - But just use this combo with closed down / "lowered" mid column. Otherwise the tripod is (for sure) too weak (or let´s say unstable). OR if it´s possible -> Get the even bigger A3573F tripod (in a kit with the S6 head) - It´s a little bit stronger built. (And especially in a kit the price is very good!) - Believe me - It´s worth every cent! About the 128RC: I am using it alot. And it´s definitely better than the Benro S2 head. Especially for a slider it´s a very good choice. And also nice: It´s the cheapest "usable" video head I know - Altough it´s only working good with lower loads. (And it´s also nice on a monopod.) BUT: For now you I think don´t need the 128RC - Just screw the S6 head (or S4) on the slider. Not that comfortable, if you want to change fast from slider to "tripod only" (but it´s better to invest in the S6 head-kit instead of the S4 + additionaly the 128RC). ^^

AustrianGeek Actually not going to use these for photography since I already have a nice tripod for that (I like to be very mobile while taking stills, so my Slik Sprint Pro is perfect for me). My shoots are usually very fast paced, so using same head for tripod and the slider is out of the question. Actually S4 is very affordable in here right now, so might just go with it. Haven't seen S6 though... S2 with some lighter sticks is around the same cost with 128RC alone so still thinking whether to just try it out. Thanks anyway, saved me from the kh25 :)

Miikka Pyy About the S4 head: The problems are the missing tilt lock (the separate one), the not controllable counter balance and the not THAT perfect dampening - because there are a few "sitbacks" when panning (still - it´s compareable to the 701HDV and still cheaper - Especially in a tripod kit). Also important is, that you can put way more load onto the S6 head (btw.: the perfect load capacity is around 4 up to 5 kg - because there the counter balance spring is still working perfectly). And don´t forget: The counterbalance of the S4 head is fixed. So you cannot control OR disable it (it´s the same with the similar Manfrotto 701HDV). With the S6 head you get the full control (disabled + 3 Steps)! So here I am DEFINITELY recommending the S6 head (instead of the S4). The few bucks more are VERY good invested! About the slider + head: Hmm. Ok. About the S2 kit - I wouldn´t go for it (because the head isn´t THAT good controllable compared to the Manfrotto 128RC) AND because the legs are quite weak (especially compared to the A3573F for example). Also important is, that with the 128RC you can control the dampening / strength of the tilting and panning quite good. That´s not possible with the S2 head for eample. And that´s important for a slider (because you need quite good controlable dampening to use it properly). Oh. And don´t forget: The 128RC is sometimes quite cheap available. I got mine for example as "like new - used" from Eb.ay for just 50€ including shipment -.-

AustrianGeek Thanks again! Great video by the way! I'd had gone with the kh25 without you :) Actually the "few bucks" is "hundreds of euros" in here right now between S4 and S6 so I think won't take that road. S4 kit is round 150 euros and the S6 head alone can be found for 190 euros and still have to get sticks for it so... I think that's pretty cheap for the legs alone. Same goes for the S2 kit which is under 100 euros...

Miikka Pyy Good to hear, that it helped ^^. About the price difference: Hmm. Funny. The S4 kit is just 70 euros cheaper than the S6 kit at the official european importer (www-7dayslive-de) where I always buy my benro stuff (because of the full warranty - which isn´t included with many cheaper offers - don´t forget this btw.!). Oh. And don´t look at the "head only" prices. They are WAY higher compared to the kit prices. For example: 190€ S6 head only - And the kit is priced around 300€ (if you ask kindly, they also give you 5 up to 10% instant rebate btw.). And the S4 kit (with the smaller tripod (A2573F instead of A3573F) is priced around 230€. That´s why I said "only a few bucks" ^^. Btw.: There are also the A2573T and A3573T tripods available (as a kit). The only difference are the screw locks for the legs (instead of the clip locks). So if you like that method more - Get one of these kits ^^.

Eduardo Berthier Thx for your kind words - And don´t worry about the long text - Mine will be even longer ^^.According the head(s): Well - I am not THAT of a fan of the Manfrotto heads. Especially not the 502HD. And altough it´s quite pricey to get two seperate kits (tripod + head and monopod + head) I understand what you want to achieve (switching fast inbetween slider and monopod) - Just keep in mind, that it´s quite pricey to get such a set of gear ^^.My other thoughts to your situation: The S4 and S6 heads use the same top plate (just don´t forget: As mentioned in the review I recommend to use an original Manfrotto 501PL plate instead as that one is sliding WAY better). So you can use both heads with the same QR plate. According the heads and tripods I would go for a Benro S6 tripod kit (A3573F if available) - As the S6 head is WAY more flexible than the S4 - Especially according the counterbalance spring (which is adjustable with the S6 head in four steps - Not FIXED like with the S4 head). Also the tripod is more stable (than the A2573F - Which is nice for using it with a slider) - And the head is also more future proof (according the higher payloads - It´s good usable up to 4kg or a little bit above).Additionaly I would also go for a S4 head with a cheaper monopod as an add on - You could also go for a used Manfrotto 701HDV (if it´s way cheaper available used) - As on the monopod you don´t need the best performing head ^^ (and the QR plate is compatible to all heads - 701HDV, S4 AND S6). AND: The fixed counterbalance spring is quite "ok" on a monopod. But on a tripod the S6 is better (because of the adjustable spring - I hope it´s clear why ^^). On the other hand - Why that monopod solution and not the mentioned Benro kit? Because the A48FB + S4 kit is also not THAT cheap I have to say. And especially if you never used a monopod before to shoot video, it´s better to start with a cheaper one first (as I know it from myself - I am using the monopod not THAT often as I thought before getting my first one ^^ - Tripods are just better and easier to use - Only if you REALLY need it often - For shooting weddings for example - Then it makes sense to get a better monopod kit). The feets are nice - Sure - But sometimes also annoying (you need to be careful with them if you´re moving around in tight space - AND the ball joint connection at the bottom is also "squeaking" sometimes - At least I had that problem with a Sirui monopod with legs at the bottom. AND you also need to keep them clean - Especially the ball joint connection - All not important with a standard Monopod - You never need to think about that with them ^^).Btw.: The Induro Monopods are quite nice for example - Not THAT rock solid compared to the Sirui for example - But more than good enough (especially at their quite low price point). And if you don´t need it THAT often also more than good enough. Also nice: The foam isn´t moving (and squeaking) like on many Sirui monopods of the older production series. Side info: Got the Induro AM34 aluminium edition a few weeks ago (for just 40€ incl. shipment - So EXTREMELY cheap - Btw.: It´s my 5th monopod now) - Quite nice quality at it´s low price point. And they are produced by Benro as far as I know / can see ^^. At least they are using the same basic design and the overall quality is also about the same. So if you want something similar in stability compared to the Benro monopods, check out the Induros. Though: No bag is included - So also order something as soon as you know which size you need (together with the final fluid head on top - Though: Keep in mind that the head is always leveling by itself because of the fixed spring - You need to remove or at least reposition the handle for transportation). ^^Well - Ok. That´s it. Sorry for the long text ^^.(And maybe a little bit too much info and side-info.Just read it multiple times and if you have questions, just ask ^^.)HTH (hope that helps) ^^

AustrianGeek Hey ya! Thank you for having time to answer my question, it helps a lot! I got confused sometimes hehehe, but overall i got the point. The main problem is that i live in Brazil, so the diversity of itens i can buy is very limited. The Benro A2573fs4 kit is around $375 and the S6 A3580F kit is around $534. I guess, after reading your opinion and review, its better pay a bit more and get the S6. The tripod however is a different model comparing with yours, right? I dont know if its better or not, but i guess its not gonna be thaat different. As i work alone, the monopod would serve me to work while i set another camera to film on the tripod (so far the S6 =] ) with a 70-200 F4 IS, but i guess the monopod doesnt need to be that high performance indeed, just a solid leg and some good and cheap fluid head gives me the flexibility to work better. The QR plate is like universal? could i use it on every good head around, all brands? Im thinking about letting one plate on my slider so i can fix it quickly on my tripod for example, and having one thats fit in almost every head is a nice thing to have. Thanks again for giving me such a complete info.

Eduardo Berthier Hello again. Hmm. 375$ for the S4 kit? That´s quite pricey - In the US (B&H for example) that kit costs just 275$. Quite a huge price difference. According the S6 kit: Are you sure, that it´s the A3580F tripod? As this is from the "classic" series of tripods WITHOUT a leveling base on top. It´s a really stable tripod - But not the best choice for shooting video (as the leveling base is quite handy - Of the A2573F or A3573F tripods for example). Btw.: There should be also A2573T and A3573T tripods available (with leveling base). Same tripods - Just with screw locks instead of the clip locks (on the feet).On the other hand also the S6 kit is really pricey. Maybe check out the Benro S8 kit prices too - It´s the even bigger one - But if you´re lucky that kits are nearly as expensive as the S6 ones (and then it´s a better idea to go for such a kit - As the S8 is even better - But normaly also way pricier - At least here in Europe for example). Maybe you´re lucky in Brazil ^^.Btw.: Try to search for S6 kits (not only locally - If that´s an offer from an local dealer). Maybe you can find an online dealer in your country (with better prices and the "real" S6 Kit - The A2573FS6 or A3573FS6 kits for example - Of with the "T" in it for the screw lock types as mentioned earlier).According the monopod: Don´t forget that you cannot let the monopod without holding it - Even with the mini tripod feet editions it´s way too risky. I think you didn´t meant that - But I just want to tell you that too. ^^ Yes - Start with a cheaper one to see if it serves you as you want (and need). Then you can still upgrade (if the stability is too low or you really want to invest in a way more expensive one with a mini tripod on the bottom) ^^.The QR plate of the Benro S4 and S6 is not "real" universal. It´s the same (compared to the Manfrotto 501PL plate of the 701HDV, 501HDV, 500MVH and also other heads from Manfrotto). I just recommend to buy a original Manfrotto 501PL if you´re getting a Benro head, because they are sliding better on the Head (and into the head) because of a better coating. But they are "dirt cheap". So not THAT of a problem (cost wise for example). But be aware - The even bigger S8 head is using another plate (504PL or so as far as I know). So you´re not ordering a 501PL plate for a S8 head (though I don´t think that you´ll find a kit for the same price of the S6 kit in Brazil). So no - It´s not a fully universal plate. ^^About mounting your slider on the tripod: Hmm. If you want to keep the S6 head on the tripod and mount the slider ONTO the S6 head - Sure. That´s possible then with a 501PL plate mounted on the slider. BUT: Directly on the tripod is a little bit tricky as you don´t want to have ALWAYS a QR base under your S6 head for example (if you don´t use a slider). That´s the point, why many are using two heads - One fixed on the tripod plus a small one additionaly on the slider (and the fixed head on the tripod is locked into the position you need - For example an angle or upside down for a vertical slide ^^).Well - I hope that helps.Btw.: Sorry for the weird formatting of my 1st answer.I don´t know why RU-vid screwed up my structure -.-Have a nice day!And HTH (hope that helps ^^)

AustrianGeek Well - RU-vid screwed up my formatting AGAIN -.- Sorry ^^

Yes. You can. It has a flat base mount - So you can mount it nearly everywhere. Btw.: Maybe also check out the new S7 too (which is also coming with an flat base mount as the S6) - It´s basically the S6 + the horizontal panning control of the S8 head. So better than the S6 and lighter / cheaper than the S8 (PLUS the S8 is just too limited - You can check out my video to it if you want to ^^).

AustrianGeek Great news.... i was just browsing on some reviews of Manfrotto 502 head... waiting for your reply. Sure will see your review of S7...seems compared to Benro, Manfrotto fluid heads are bit expensive...

About the S7 head: Well. It´s still not available here in Europe. And it´s basically an S6 head with the better panning / horizontal drag control of the S8 head. So it´s a quite nice combination. Especially, if you don´t want to invest a fortune. AND if you want to use it on a 055XPROB tripod all the time. Btw.: I don´t know, if I will grab one of the S7 heads as there are also the new "real fluid heads" from Benro - The BV4 and BV6 (which are also quite cheap for the offered features). I think I will grab one of these (IF I can get them here - As they are still not widely available here in Europe) =/.

Hmm. Maybe I´ll test the S8 - But the 502 I had once was a mess (even compared to the "smaller" Benro S6) - Small sitbacks (panning wise), in general not that great adjustable as the S6 (and S8), sometimes even "smack" voices fromt the dampening and the weird knob positions - Also the original 502 kit sticks (the double rod one) are EXTREMELY unstable (about the MOST unstable double rod sticks I ever saw and had). So I don´t know, if it´s really useful to make such a comparison ^^. Btw.: Don´t forget - I also have to buy the stuff by myself - If I review / test something (and I need to sell about 90% of it again, to finance new parts). About the Vanguard sticks: Hmm. Never used them. But in general - Don´t forget: They are more designed for stills (not for video). Because: In the kits, the Benro sticks are equipped with the small leveling base (which is VERY helpful to balance out a fluidhead easily). AND normaly (with every tripod i had in my hands til now - At least below 300 or 400 bucks) such mid level column systems, you can also adjust horizontally to take makro stills for example, are not stable enough to shoot video. (The columns are for example turning / rotating with your panning / horizontal video movements - OR the columns are too small / weak in general). That´s also the point, why flat base tripods are normally the best solution for video - OR normal mid column tripods, with the mid level column not extended ... Hope that helps to decide - Even now without additional videos ^^.

Cessna readyfortakeoff Don´t confuse / mix pounds (lb) with kilogramms (kg) ^^. The S6 is rated to 13.2lb (which is around 6kg after conversion). And as said in the video I wouldn´t use it to 6 kilogramms - Only up to 5 (max). Btw.: Benro is now also offering the new S7 (which is offering a horizontal / panning - drag control too - Like the bigger S8 head). So check it out (!) Hope that clears out everything ^^. Have a nice day! LG

Cessna readyfortakeoff Oh. You edited your comment - About the monopod: I am not THAT of a fan of monopods. At least without a mini tripod at the bottom. Why? Because with a standard foot the monopod is just too "shaky" sideways. It´s nice for shooting stills - But for video you need one with a mini-triopd at the bottom. And these are just too expensive. I think it´s better to invest in a cheap but good tripod (and use a small shoulder rig with a counter weight if you´re on the go - As it´s more flexible than a monopod - AND it´s also removing the stress / weight off your hands). But you need to train your back (otherwise it´s maybe too much if you´re using a shoulder rig the first time over MANY hours ^^.)

Thanks I did check the s7 and Im very impress with it, I might just go for this one as it meets my needs. Thanks again for your video greetings from Germany!

Do you mean the 501PL, 501PLONG and 504PL compatible clamp in the beginning of the video (in the right bottom area)? That´s the original Manfrotto 577 adapter plate (there are also many other adapter plates on the market - I even have two other ones from 3rd party manufacturers). But if you can, go for a used 577 (as this one also comes with an original 501PL plate - And the rubber on this 501PL-plate is better than on most other cheap plates on the market. PLUS: The coating of all parts is also really good too - Its kind of worth the money and used sometimes available super cheap ^^).

Well - Thats a common problem with many tripods (with ROUND mid level columns). I had no problems at the time I made this video (it´s now about 5 years ago ^^), as I used the A3573F together with the S6 model. And the S6 is coming with a WAY weaker panning drag (where the wiggle / play in the screw lock system then isn´t a problem). The problem is, that the S4 model (which you have) is stiffer panning wise - So you need to lock down the screw lock WAY more, to avoid wiggle / rotational play at the mid level column. Try to lock it down as tight as possible (without damaging anything) - And let it at this position if possible (also while transporting it). Not a THAT nice solution - But at least a solution overall. I also have a tripod with a screw lock on the mid level column standing here in my room - But I always let it at the same height mid level column wise (at max locking force). So it works more or less that way. And as I dont transport it alot, it´s ok for now (but I also plan to exchange it in the future). Btw. (just a side information): Its worse with aluminium mid level columns (round ones) - As the screw lock system is then slipping on the coating of the aluminium tubing. It´s noticeably better with carbon fibre mid level columns (as the screw lock holds better on the "rough" carbon fibre surface - Which normaly is not coated). If you want to be on the safe side though, go for a notched mid level column tripod (like the ones from Manfrotto). I for example use the super basic but stability wise quite nice Manfrotto 190X3. Got it in new condition over Ebay for about 60 or 80 bucks or so. To sum it up: I am sorry to say that - But the best solution for your actual situation is to change the tripod. You can try to lock it down as good as possible (your actual one) - But that´s not a great solution if you also travel with it alot. Hope that helps to clear up everything a little bit ^^. LG

I've been emailing Benro and it seems like the C2573 does officially have play in the center column. Unfortunate as I really like the tripod otherwise. I'm trying to find another tripod now that's ~3.5lbs with a center column (that won't have play in it). I previously had the Manfrotto 755XB (aluminum) which worked fine before, but I just wanted something lighter than that. The carbon fiber version (755CX3) doesn't seem to save much weight (4.2lb vs 4.5lb) either.

Well - It´s really a basic design limitation (with a round mid level column). According a more lightweight tripod: I actually plan to try out the Rollei rock solid Gamma 180 (which comes with carbon fibre at 3.7lb). It seems like it gets produced by Giottos (as they have the patent for the build in y-shape mid level column). Nice point about that y-shape column: Theres also no change for twisting ^^. Though: I don´t know if that ones available internationally (and it seems like they stopped production at the end of last year). Got sold off quite massively (at around 100 bucks or even below). There´s btw. also an "Rollei rock solid 180 beta" version (with 4.2lbs and 10kg vs. 8kg of max payload). LG

I haven't heard of Rollei tripods before but I looked it up and they do seem pretty good/cheap. If you do end up trying one out I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it (I may purchase one myself). It doesn't have a leveling base which is unfortunate, but I guess you can at least purchase one/add it on. Benro's leveling base on the C2573 was super nice/fluid which I will miss!

Well - I got the Rollei Rock Solid Gamma 180 (carbon fibre version) now. Quite ok stability wise. Though: For higher drag settings you definitely need to add some weight (over a bag or so below hooked to it). And the legs are ok - But not 100% straight on my copy ^^. But you just see it if you look for it. The Y-Shape column is quite nice as expected (and a good alternative to the "play free" manfrotto notched ones). But as there´s also a panning feature on this tripod (the Rollei), its definitely nothing for super high drag fluid heads - As that would add alot of strain on the small locking screw (of this panning feature). For the S6 though, or the Manfrotto 128RC / 128LP I plan to put on it, it should be ok overall. Well - Hmm. In your case the question is, if it´s not better to go for the aluminium Manfrotto MT190X3 (or one of the MK190X3 kits and just sell the included head). Its still standing more stable than the Rollei (as its also heavier without added weight). But still more stable overall - At the cost of the higher overall weight. Btw.: About leveling bases - I use the MENGS DY-60N. Though: Its quite heavy - And I don´t use it THAT often (so I removed it again from my MT190X3 setup and moved it to another tripod). It´s also dampened / fluid (like the Benro base) - So you can try it out. But if you want to save on weight it´s maybe better to skip on a leveling base overall ^^.

The leg sturdiness / leg tube diameters are bigger with the 3573. C3573F would stand for carbon fibre with flip locks. A3573T would stand for aluminium with twist locks ^^. Altough: I would highgly recommend to go for the carbon variant OR if aluminium is preferred (price wise) go for a used Manfrotto 290XTA3 or 190X3 tripod. Especially the Manfrotto 290XTA3 is one of the best bang for buck tripods you can get ^^. Btw.: The video is quite old - There are already Mark II variants of those Benro heads on the market. LG

Antonio Silva No. Benro is using a proprietary / non standard QR plate on their S2 head. The 503HDV is using the (quite popular) 501PL manfrotto plate instead. Though: The 501PL plates are compatible and in use with the bigger S4 and S6 heads (and also the S8 - Altough this one is using the even longer 501PLONG aka 504PL plate with the same width as the 501PL). I hope I didn´t confuse you now with all the plate types - Just keep in mind, that the 501PL, 501PLONG and 504PL are interchangeable - But not compatible to the S2 head ^^.

AustrianGeek and S4 S6?

Yes. They are compatible (as mentioned already) ^^.

milanthegreat Don´t worry - The new videos are all leveld properly ^^.

I guess I spelled something wrong or so - Where did you hear it ^^.

Hmm. The "classic URSA" is quite heavy already from scratch on (7.4kg without any accessories). Overall I think I would go for a used 100mm head. Everything smaller (with 75mm bowl) is just too weak for the URSA - At least, if you plan to use it with bigger zooom lenses. But also the other accessories are adding weight -> V-Mount plate, V-Mount battery, rails and base for the follow focus and so on. Try to search for a used Cartoni FocusHD or a used Sachtler DV10SB head (or bigger - DV12SB and so on). I still use the FocusHD from time to time at work - It´s a very solid head. AND (if you cannot find something used in good condition): It´s also way cheaper new than the Sachtler stuff. At least here in Europe you can get it quite cheap from time to time - Or at certain dealers. Hope that helps. ^^

AustrianGeek thank you so much man

Friction - Like all s-series heads from Benro. If you want a "real" fluid head, then go for the BV4 or BV6 from Benro. Overall VERY well performing heads at a low price (also used sometimes super cheap available within some tripod kits from Benro on the used market). Actually I am still using a BV4 head as a super lightweight backup head. LG

Carlos Guerrero Well - This review is quite old (and there´s now an updated version of the S-Heads available). So: Maybe they also changed the grease on the S4 head (according a better sitback-free performance). So it´s maybe still worth a try ^^. The problem is, that there are not THAT much better (or just "other") options out there. Maybe the new Manfrotto MVH500 is worth a try yes (heard and read more or less only positive feedback about it) - But the performance of many other heads is just WAY to inconsistent (especially with many super cheap chinese heads with bad quality control). ^^

I don´t think so. The RM-25 is especially designed for the KH series of tripods. And also a problem is: I don´t have (and never had) the RM-25 here (just the KH-25 kit without the remote - Which is btw. not usable at all / quite bad tripod quality wise - So don´t get one of the KH series tripods). So I cannot tell you, if it´s possible (even if it´s not designed to be used that way). But you can ask "7dayslive" for example (the official european importer) OR Benro directly if it´s possible to mount the RM-25. OR even better: Just get another solution (which you can clip on your tripod head handle for example) - That´s better, because you can use the remote also with other (borrowed for example) or future heads AND you can also clamp it somewhere else (on a shoulder rig for example - Onto one of the front handles). Manfrotto is selling such remotes - Or there are also other 3rd party offers available. Hope that helps. ^^

AustrianGeek Perhaps the S-4 is a closer size. I guess the critical question is does the moulded clamp on the end of the arm detach on the S-4, and does the arm rod end look like the end of the RM-25, ie. it has a short recessed section where the moulding would fit over.

Blisoft Sure. It maybe fits (even to the S6 head) - Because the rosette mounts on the heads (S4, S6 and the KH25) are maybe the same. But that info only Benro directly (or the importer I mentioned) can give you. About the moulded clamp detach: Normally it´s not designed to be removed. But it´s maybe possible to change the clamp at the end (and use the compatible clamp for the s-series heads - IF they are not compatible). Just ask Benro / 7dayslive for more information. They can help for sure (because they can test it with the equipment directly). Altough: As mentioned already - A seperate clamp based remote unit would be the better (and way more flexible) way all in all. I personally would go for that solution. Lg

John1212168 Well - The Miranda MT5 head (on top of the tripod kit) isn´t removable as far as I can see on the pictures - Right? IF IT IS removable (and the tripod has a flat base on top), then it´s possible to mount the S2 for example. IF IT´S NOT removable, then you would need to mount the S2 on top of the original Miranda head. And that´s (by far) not the best solution - And I wouldn´t recommend it. In general btw. I wouldn´t go for the Benro S2 - The dampening is way too stiff. Just go for a used Manfrotto 128RC for example (which is one of the best super cheap heads out there - I am still using it on my 2nd superlight tripod kit for example). AND: If you can afford it, also go for other feet. For example a used BENRO classic - Or a used SIRUI R or N series. They are rock solid - And a HUGE step up from a tripod like the Miranda MT5 (used for example the BENRO A2570T for a LONG WHILE together with the 128RC head).

KingStivan Hi there. THX for your kind words. According the S8: Well. It´s (like the S6) one of the few heads, which are EXTREMELY cheap (with alot of features). I don´t know of any alternative in their price range - At least not with the same adjustable counter balance, which is quite nice to have. Especially the S6 is unique at it´s price point. The S8 btw. is nice - But if you don´t need the full payload, better go for the S6. It´s WAY cheaper - Also accepts 501PL quick release plates (the longer 501PLONG and 504PL too) - And the S8 is a little bit too bulky if you just need it for lower payloads. I know that the S6 don´t has the adjustable panning control - But the S8 is a little bit "overdesigned" (I don´t know, if it´s the best way to describe it). It has the same drag control (vertically / tilting wise) as the S6 head - Which is a limiting factor (as you need the drag to compensate inbetween the counterbalance steps - Which are WAY bigger on the S8 head than on the S6). Also important: The 1st counterbalance step is starting OVER 3KG (more around 3.5) with the S8. So very low payloads are a little bit of a problem. At least inbetween 1 and 3KG (because below 1KG you can disable the counter balance spring system). On the other hand the 2KG of the S6 (at the 1st counterbalance-step) are way easier to achieve / match with accessories (so your head isn´t leveling by itself). So think about your max payload (which your REALLY need). The S6 is quite nice & good around 4 to 5KG (with payload, which is sitting a little bit higher over the head - So with a higher center of gravity ^^). About the "play" of the 502HDV: Wow. Ok. The one I had wasn´t perfect either - But that´s a quite HUGE let-down ^^. P.s.: There´s coming a video soon about the S8 head (and it´s limitations / alternatives). In the meantime, you could check out the E-IMAGE GH06 - I didn´t use it by myself til now. But I head / read, that it´s quite nice (drag performance wise for example). And the kit´s are around 600 bucks (with aluminium double legs). So about the price of the S8 kits. Though: Also starts around 3KG at the 1st counterbalance step. So really think about your main payloads first ... HTH - Hope that helps ^^.

AustrianGeek it really did help and at the same time didnt :p i want the s8 coz of the drag and accessories attachments and i dont know if my payload is going to be 3kg :S i have a body 650d and a 18-35 sigma then i have gen 1 note 10.1 as a monitor/rack control and would say that each of those are 800ish grams so im not hitting the 3kg load :< i will w8 for the s8 video for now lets hope i can find something redeeming about it ^^ about the play in the 502 i did try out 2 in different shops and yesterday when i was shooting a video someone came in with a 502 and i asked if i could try it annnnd its the same :< i wanted to like manfrotto but they are not helping ... anyways thanks again man .

Well. That´s often a problem with my videos too - I not only talk about the pros - I also talk about the cons (and alot of people don´t like to hear such stuff). The problem is: There are only VERY FEW pieces of kit out there, which nearly only have pros (and only minor cons). ^^ About the S8 video: It´s online in a few days max. About the 502: Good to know about that. It seems like I had luck with the 502s I had in my hands. Maybe also the quality even got worse over the years (it´s available now). I am also not THAT of a fan of Manfrotto. Only of the 128RC head (as you get it DIRT cheap - And it´s quite usable with super lightweight setups - It´s still on my 2nd "super lightweight" tripod kit ^^). LG

AustrianGeek well i do like my 682B from them but thats about it ^^

I also like my MPro 535 / Sachtler TT legs. But I am not THAT of a fan of their video heads ^^.

Neither of those two - Had both and they are not THAT good. Even if you can get them at a cheap price point. If you want a kit, which I can guarantee you, that you will continue to use even after 10 years, then definitely go for the Manfrotto 128RC (kind of "THE" entry level fluid head). Combine it with the Manfrotto 290 XTRA or if possible price wise with the Manfrotto 190X3 (both aluminium - so heavier than carbon - but they are both GOOD tripods for both - Stills and video). I actually have both here and I use the 190X3 + 128RC most of the time for "quick and dirty" stuff. Don´t forget to go for a bag too. And even if you need to invest a few bucks more - Keep in your backhead: Its an investment for 10 years or even longer! Btw.: Buying used is also a good way to save money - The 128RC you often get for 40 to 50 bucks used (and the 290 XTRA or the more rugged 190X3 from Manfrotto for about 70 to 80 bucks) - It maybe just takes longer to find as new condition parts at this price points. Hope that helps! LG

Yes. It´s using the 501PLONG aka 504PL plate (with are basically the same - They just renamed them, so it´s easier to find the plate you need - The 501PL is the standard / short one and the 504PL is the longer edition). But also keep in mind - As always it´s a good move to change the plate to another one (original Manfrotto 504PL or a cheap chineses copy - Which you can get for about 20$ incl. shipment) - As the original Benro plates are quite crappy coating wise (and so they are not sliding as nice into and on the head). Just order one as soon as you order the S8 head ^^. Btw.: If you plant to get the S8 head - Keep in mind, that the first counterbalance step of the S8 is quite high (load capacity wise). It´s somewhere over 3kg (with a lower center of gravity / a quite low profile rig / just the camera + lens mounted for example). So if you plan to use lower payloads too, also keep the S6 head for such purposes (as it´s starting way lower at the first counterbalance step). That´s quite important to know - As with lower loads it always levels by itself (on the first counterbalance step) ^^. Also important: The vertical drag is basically the same as on the S6 head (so limited to a certain - Not THAT high level). So don´t expect a better vertical drag quality. Only the horizontal drag is way better (as it´s now also adjustable with the S8 - Which helps to pan smoother). BUT: Don´t expect to replace a "real" fluid head (for example an Sachtler ACE L or a Cartoni SmartPro) with the S8 (as it´s features AND drag quality wise by far not on the same level). Just for your information =). (If you plant to upgrade to the S8 from an S6 head.) LG

Thanks for the information. I am looking for a good tripod with a pro head. I am mainly looking for 2 things in the tripod. It should be over 5ft and heavy duty with carbon fiber. I saw those 2 tripod which are in my range and good also Benro C373FBS8 and Manfrotto MVK502C. www.manfrotto.co.uk/product/861667/VGIMVK502C/_/PRO+VIDEO+CARBON+SYSTEM+-+4KG?os=pla&m=2747&c=2&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsdCnBRC86PeFkuDJt_MBEiQAUXJfLc2dO7EzXTfin4fsgEq1Q0xjm8GuTRVrWXBOazicwpEaApt68P8HAQ Could you recommend anything? Thanks.

Forget about the cheaper Manfrotto heads - I´ve never been a fan of them (at least not the 502 and the 504 models - The 504 is too expensive for what you get and the 502 had quality problems in the past and isn´t controllable perfectly as the knobs are misplaced). Though: I like the MPro 535 CF legs from Manfrotto (also rebranded available as Sachtler TT legs - AND also available in aluminium lately). So keep them in mind (if you plan to upgrade to another set of legs in the future). About a good (and not THAT expensive tripod kit) - Check out the new Cartoni SmartPro Kits. Not carbon fibre - But good / stable aluminium tripods - And you can still upgrade to another set of legs later (if you REALLY want to do so). It´s better, to get a good head (instead of a cheaper one with more expensive legs) ^^. For example: The Cartoni H104 kit is priced around 740$ new (B&H) - Or the a little bit higher tripod kit Cartoni H105 around 915& new (also at B&H - As a price reference). So at least the H104 is not THAT far away from the C373FBS8 (which costs around 625$). And you get a WAY better head (which is at least one up to two classes higher to rate than the Benro S8 head) - AND you also get a 5 year warranty (from Cartoni directly). No registration or so needed. You just need to buy from an official Cartoni dealer (as far as I know). The cheaper H104 is only 135cm max. in hight - I know - But the head itself is also about 10 to 15cm high - So you´re around 150cm all in all (which is nearly 5 ft). The H105 is 150cm + up to 15cm from the head = around 165cm (~5.4ft). But it´s also more expensive. Well - That´s the actual "bang for the buck" solution. I would not go lower than this to be honest. At least not, if you want to get a kit for at least a few years (or let´s say: If you want to buy a kit with which you will be happy for a few years ^^). HTH (hope that helps) ^^. Have a nice day.