Benro BV4 Hands-On and Test (also applicable for the BV6) 

Thx for the kind words ^^. Well - There are just a few options with such a broad payload range. The most interesting one should be the FSB 8 from Sachtler (with 75mm half bowl). Starting at around 1.5kg at 50mm COG (center of gravity - So quite close to the head which is the case with the GH3 + lens + mic for example). You maybe still need a baseplate with rods or so (to add a little bit height to use the 1st counterbalance step) - But that´s easy to achieve. Normaly you get such plates for a few bucks (and it´s more important to get to a higher center of gravity -> to add more force on the head - Also nice: That way you don´t add "useless" weight - PLUS you get additional mounting points over the rods for your accessories ^^). At the upper range the FSB 8 is at around 10kg of max payload (at quite high 100mm of COG - Which should represent the BMCC better - As it´s way higher than DSLR and system camera rigs from scratch on). So you would even have 2kg of "save zone" at the higher end of the max. payload. Plus: It´s coming with 5 drag steps (should be more than enough for super small payloads - But also for very heavy ones.) The only con - It´s quite expensive (and you need a stable tripod for it) ... There are also the Cartoni heads btw. - But for such a payload you would need to go for the bigger 100mm half bowl ones (like the Focus HD or the newer Focus 12). They are quite nice though - Starting at 2kg (50mm cog) - So a little bit higher. But going even up to 12kg (100mm cog) at the higher end. I use the Focus HD at work all the time. Really nice head (any way better than the smaller ones -> Like the HiDv, SmartPro - As those are drag wise too limited. Used both smaller ones - And I am sure the new small Focus 8 or Focus 8S is also not better in that regard.) Tripods are not that of a problem. If you want to have a single tube, go for the Manfrotto 535 MPro for example (for 75mm half bowls). And for the 536 MPro (if you plan to get a 100mm head). We use the 536 for the Focus HD. Not that easy to handle (as the set is quite big and heavy). But it´s ok. WAY easier to handle on the other hand are the speedlock tripods. Manfrotto offers them in both shapes (75mm and 100mm half bowl). Though: They are quite expensive. Cheaper is for example the E-IMAGE GC752 (carbon fibre) tripod. I am using it with the ACE L, and it´s really easy to handle (through just ONE lock per leg). And it´s more affordable (PLUS super stable if you don´t extend the lowest stage completely - Which isn´t necessary anyway - Just mentioning it ^^.) Overall I think I would go for a (used if possible) FSB 8 + the E-IMAGE GC752 (carbon fibre) legs. Most lightweight, compact and easy to use - And usable with all of your equipment ^^. P.s.: Btw. -> You can also search for the older DV6 SB for example. Features wise also REALLY nice (and the FSB8 seems to be the direct replacement for it). Or there´s also the DV8 SB - Just keep an eye on the half bowls. (As you need the 75 models - Not the bigger 100. At least if you plan to go with a smaller 75mm half bowl tripod.)

Thanks for the advice, but almost everything mentioned is way out of my price range. I'm gonna go with the Benro BV8 and take your advice about adding more weight - like a cage - to my GH3 setup to make it work. I love the look of those E-IMAGE GC752 legs, it's a shame I can't get the Benro BV8 head alone because I would get those sticks for sure. £585 ($765 or €675) on a deal for the BV8 seems very good value for the UK market, and there's no way I can import and absorb the costs associated with other manufacturers who aren't selling gear in the UK, like Cartoni. Manfrotto to me is just overpriced crap, I'm yet to use a Manfrotto tripod that isn't terrible. If you know of any good EU dealers you can recommend to me for camera gear, please do tell me about them!

Jordan Simpson Ah. Ok. Well - The BV8 (former H8) is also quite ok. But don´t expect too much. There are always limits with cheaper heads ^^. Especially the lower counterbalance-step count is a little bit of a limiting factor. But at least it´s built like a tank (out of metal instead of plastic like the BV4 and BV6). About Manfrotto: I am also not that of a Fan. But the MPro legs are quite ok (at least, if it´s ok for you that they don´t come with a speedlock system). Btw.: I can recommend the "Camerakings". Ordered a few heads in the past there. AND: They have the H529 (from Cartoni) quite cheap actually: camerakings.co.uk/cartoni-h529-focus-hd-100mm-fluid-head-with-telescopic-handle With a nice leg kit it´s a quite cheap (but good performing) tripod kit. With a payload up to 12kg at 100mm COG and with stepless counterbalance. But keep in mind: The better the head and the more payload, the bigger and heavier the tripod kit ^^. LG

It´s maybe loosening up a little bit - But normaly it shouldn´t (as it´s using sealed drag cartridges instead of a standard grease based drag system). According the drag at setting one: It´s always subjectively -> For me for example the 1st drag step is already too loose (for 9 out of 10 applications). But there could be also manufacturing variances according the drag settings. It´s one of the cons of the cheaper heads -> They change the production conditions and parts more often than the bigger companies like Sachler, Vinten and Co. So it´s also possible, that your head got already different cartridges than mine ^^. Well - If it´s too stiff for you then it´s maybe better change to the smaller Benro S7 (or better a used Sachtler ACE L if you can find one). There you get more control over the panning drag and also slighter dampening is possible ... But the higher drag of the Benro BV4 and BV6 heads is quite nice for better control with longer focal lengths. Keep that in mind ...

Thanks for the information. The drag at step #1 is actually pretty good. But # 2 and 3 are heavy. Not sure I would even use those settings. But maybe, as you said, with a long lens.

I bought the GC752 legs in a GH06 Kit. BUT: The drag was not very good. It was on a high level. But the starts and stops were not "doable" as smooth as with other heads. Great built quality (and a nice head) - But the drag is way better on the BV4 (which I still use as one of my main heads - Still works fine). Way easier and smoother starts and stops. LG

Hi there. Sorry for my late reply (also got your mail btw. ^^). Time was short - So it took a little bit longer this time. Well - About your questions: I still think that the BV4 (and the BV6) are the cheapest heads, which support longer focal lengths in their price range. The point is: Many other heads maybe offer better build quality (and higher ruggedness), a few more features or a better warranty support. But the IMPORTANT point - the drag - is quite good on the BV heads. And that´s the most important point. I still recommend to change the top plate / QR plate though (as the original one is garbage). But if you change it, you will be fine. Just go with the 501PLONG plate with the letters / numbers at the side - This model has the highest quality I ever saw on 3rd party replacement plates. You can find that one on Ebay and also on Amazon. Or you can also go for the original Manfrotto 501PLONG or 504PL plates. They also offer good quality ^^. About the GH06: You´re right. This one also offers good dampening. BUT: The dampening is way too constant - No good resistance at the starts and stops (so it´s not really that good overall). GREAT build quality and ruggedness though. So maybe great for lenders (who need rugged gear to borrow away). Overall I still use the ACE L from Sachtler by my own. But altough its a great head, it´s no comparison according the max drag (compared to the BV4 and BV6). Would have LOVED to see the new ACE XL model coming with higher drag settings / new fluid cartridges. But no - Still the same old ones (just a little bit more payload). Quite weird move from Sachtler. The same from Manfrotto. The new Nitrotech N8 seems to suffer from noticeable sitbacks. Completely destroys the head (at least for me it´s not an option at this point - Maybe they change something in the future - Who knows). About the BV4 / BV6: First - Go for the BV6. The few bucks more give you noticeably more max payload. Secondly - Yes. You said / wrote it already -> Buy locally. If it´s not good / if there is a problem, you can exchange it. Benro stuff isnormally great - But you can also get a broken one from time to time. But if you buy the overseas, you cannot send them back easily. Beside: If you buy locally, buy from an official Benro dealer if possible. That way you get the local warranty guaranteed. I just don´t know, if there are any official Benro dealers overall in Holland ^^. Btw.: If you´re interested to check out an alternative -> I still like the Cartoni Focus HD. Need to make a video about it (we use it at work since a few years). GREAT head. But very big, heavy and it´s a 100mm fluid head. So you also need a bigger tripod (we use the Manfrotto 536 MPro for example). No comparison to a BV4 or BV6 tripod kit (especially if you pair it with carbon fibre legs). But the head is sometimes quite affordable available. Just in case you can find one cheap (and if it´s not important, how heavy the tripod kit is). It´s simply a class ABOVE the BV4 / BV6 / ACE L / ACE XL heads. But you need to live with the weight ^^. We use it in studio primarily.

Hi again! Thank you for the answer! Haha, yeah I sent you a mail first, but then I realized that I really had no clue where RU-vid messages went (I could not find any message page on my own page!) so I thought I better shoot you a message here on the comments like everybody else to be sure! ^^. Really, thank you for a great and explaining answer! I was down at a local store and got a feel at the BV6, and I liked it. The Benro tripod however was not stable enough for our needs. But, it was not the tripod that would come with the BV6 tripod kit, this one was a cheaper Benro model. The guy in the store we talked to introduced me to the Ace M (I suppose this is one step below Ace L?), which actually felt good. The tripod was much more stable. Since Sachtler does have a good name and make quality stuff, he recommended the Ace M, since it had pretty much the same price as the BV6 tripod-kit (actually lower). The down part on the Ace M is the resistance, as I see it. But I can see advantages in buying something that takes more weight from the beginning, and I suppose that Ace L is the next step up? So here, it comes to weather we should go with a cheaper brand or paying some more for a more "safe" brand. I will try to look into the Cartoni Focus HD. I found it on one store in Sweden (which is local to me ^^) but the price there (including a tripod) was about 2-3 times higher than what we currently have been looking on. I also realised, when I looked deeper into the specifications, that I need more height than the standard tripods offer. We need to reach 170-185 cm) After some searching I found the E-Image 761CT tripod (eBay, not locally), which has got some good reviews here on RU-vid. I only wonder if that would be stable enough... So right now I'm pending between a BV6 on a E-Image 761CT, or Ace M (169 cm height) or Ace L.

Benro C373FBV6H Hello again. Hmm. Yes. The included legs are not that nice (which are coming with the BV4 and BV6 heads). At least the standard ones (with double stage legs - Not single one). The point is: There is just one kit for each head (BV4 / BV6) which is really good and usable. And that´s the kit with the C373F legs included. Those are single tube ones, with high quality carbon fibre. And you can use those also for stills shooting if you want to (because there´s no mid level spreader). Those kits are named "Benro C373FBV4H" for the C373F + BV4 head - And "Benro C373FBV6H" for the C373F + BV6 head. About the ACE M: Don´t get misleaded just because the overall stability was better ^^. As mentioned: The standard tripods Benro includes in their cheapest kits are just garbage. You would need to check out the C373F kits (and compare those to the ACE M and ACE L kits). Btw.: A hint - Don´t go for the ground level spreader models (in general). Ground spreaders are way too uncomfortable to work with. They add nice stability - But are just annoying to handle. About ACE M vs ACE L: In the past it was the case, that the ACE L got better fluid cartridges - Which were even a tad better than the ACE M cartdridges. BUT: This was quite a while ago. The ACE M could now also come with the same. But: The ACE M kits are still coming with the cheaper legs (it´s like with the BV4 / BV6 heads). The ACE M legs are aluminium with too small legs and lower stability. The ACE L legs are ALL coming with carbon fibre (and better feet - the double rod models). But the ACE L is also available with the MPro 535 legs (single tube like the C373F from Benro). Just even a tad more stable. If you´re lucky you can find a used kit or a "sale" / display unit for cheap. Most dealers sell them cheaper now, because the ACE L kits are discontinued - They got a 1:1 exchange with the new ACE XL head (which is completely weird - The XL goes higher payload wise - BUT also starts higher at the low end according the counter balance). As mentioned already - Weird move from Sachtler. Btw. - About the overall "challenge" Benro vs Sachtler: Sachtler is better according Support, resale value and overall quality. Benro is on the other hand better according the price (most of the time) and the BV4 and BV6 heads offer noticeably higher drag than the ACE M and ACE L heads (also compared to the new XL model which has the same cartridges as the ACE L). Though choice I know ... About the Focus HD (H529): Yes. Locally they are too expensive. You would need to search for a cheap source within the whole EU / whole europe. Locally it´s easily over 1000 bucks (which is just too much without legs - That´s right). I bought mine (the older version) for about 400 bucks or so over Amazon - A few years ago. And from time to time you can find it (also in the actual version) noticeably cheaper than 1000 bucks (somewhere around 600 or so). But you would still need at least the MPro 536 single tube legs to get the needed 100mm half-bowl. Not really a THAT good option (not only price wise - As mentioned it´s also a HUGE and heavy tripod kit - But very good drag performance ^^). About the max height: Hmm. Well. Here are the heights: MPro 535 offers 171cm (without a head). You can add around 10 to 15cm for the head. So the Sachtler ACE L TT (or ACE XL TT) kit would be high enough (btw.: The Sachtler TT tripod is 1:1 the same as the Manfrotto MPro 535 legs - Just different colours - So don´t be confused if I am always talking about the MPro 535 legs ^^). The Benro C373FBV4H and C373FBV6H kits on the other hand offer 163cm (WITH the heads already included) - So they are maybe just a little bit too short. Altough this is calculated without a rig / rig base mounted which also adds a few centimeters. The ACE M kit you mentioned is 6cm higher than that (169) - The difference is there but not that huge (the ACE L TT would make more difference). The E-IMAGE 761CT is around the range of the Sachtler TT / MPro 535 legs - So would be also an option. Though: If you really go for the ACE L or ACE XL head, then you can also choose the TT kit straight on. Well - Tough choice. Perfect would be the ACE L TT or ACE XL TT kit (with a 2nd hand BV4 or BV6 in case you need more drag from time to time). Altough if you then need the high drag all the time that also makes no sense. But however you choose - Don´t oversee: All of the mentioned kits (BV4 / BV6 / ACE L / ACE XL) are REALLY GOOD - You make no fault buying any of those. Have a nice day / evening! And have fun shooting! ^^ LG

Wow! Have anybody ever told you that you are awesome? Because you are! Thanks a lot for the answers, bro! ^^

Thx for the kind words. Btw.: Tried the C373 again today (saw it locally at a colleague - Together with the BV4). Overall I am still impressed by the drag and the overall performance of the BV4 - The tripod is also quite good / ok. BUT: The Sachtler TT / MPro 535 is still the more robust (single tube) tripod version. Still: Kit wise the C373 + BV4 kit is the best out of the bunch. The double rod tripod kits are just garbage (more or less) ^^. Which route did you take btw. (in case you ordered already something)?

Yes. I tried and used the E-IMAGE GH03 and GH06. The GH03 is the smallest one of the GH / genting series - Fuildity wise ok. But you recognise, that it´s their cheapest head. Mine squaked a little bit in certain positions. But it went away over time - At least it´s gone for now (i still have it here). The GH06 I used also for quite a while. Planned to make a video about it (as so often) - But sold it then before making one ^^. It´s GOOD - I especially love the included GC752 (carbon fibre legs) - Which are badly not in production anymore in the shape I have them here (the actual model is a little bit smaller - Which means you need to use it fully extended which lowers the rigidity). But to get back to the GH06: Very good quality wise (according stability / ruggedness). Full metal chassis - And even if you drop it it´s more compareable to the Sachtler FSB / DV heads than the ACE or BV4 / BV6 (made out of plastic) ones. The achilles heel and the point why I wasn´t THAT motivated to make a video about it is the fact, that the drag is just "better" on the other heads. The drag of the GH06 is stiffer / higher than on the ACE L for example - Or the new ACE XL which is coming with the same drag system. More or less compareable to the BV4 and BV6 heads (where I also mentioned that I really like the higher drag more compared to the ACE versions). THOUGH: It´s way too constant at the same time (if you know what I mean). With the ACE L / XL and the BV4 / BV6 you get more resistance at the start and the stop of your movements. That means, that it´s easier to start and stop your pans for example. With the GH06 it´s way harder to start and stop smoothly (as the resistance is always the same). Great for scope usage and birdwatching - As there the high drag is more important than smooth starts and stops. But for video use I would go for the ACE L or the BV6 (with the higher payload compared to the BV4 - I would invest in the more future proof BV6 if you can afford it ^^). Hope that helps to decide ^^. LG

@@AustrianGeek awesome response, was trying to decide between the GH06 and Benro BV6H... Will go for the latter, I think! Many thanks for sharing your experience.

Overall yes (as I had sitbacks with mine in the past - And as the drag was also too weak on my ACE M -> Both is fixed with the ACE L which I still use as my main head most of the time). But if you want the best bang for your buck, the BV4 (or the higher payload BV6) is a very good choice. Just don´t forget to order a replacement plate at the same time (instead of the original one) ^^. You can also check out the SmallRIG 501PL replacement plates - There´s even one version with anti twist pins: www.smallrig.com/SMALLRIG-Quick-Release-Pack-Manfrotto-1503.html Altough - It´s actually only listed as a kit together with a clamp (as you can see in the link above) - So ask the support for only the plate (if you want to have the one with anti twist pins). Or they also offer other 501PL replacement-plates in general (though not super cheap, the quality of smallrig is quite good and worth the price overall): www.smallrig.com/camera-rigs/manfrotto/

Well - It´s not completely faulty. (But not the best option.) They should change it though ... would be great.

Well - keep an eye on the BV6 too (as it offers higher payload / more counterbalance steps). About the flat base conversion: You just remove the threaded stud at the bottom. That way you get a standard 3/8" thread (like on all other flat base heads). But you don´t need to remove the whole half bowl (so please don´t try to do so by removing all the small screws around the half ball ^^). Also keep in mind: The stud is not THAT easy to remove (as it´s screwed in quite tight most of the time). So you maybe need to fixate the head somewhere (at the half bowl) - Don´t try to remove the stud by just locking the head down with the pan lock and hold it at the top part - There´s a high chance, that you damage the locking mechanism of the panning. If you keep an eye on that, you should be fine ^^. If you want a head with a real flat base (which you can upgrade to a 75mm version), maybe check out the Nitrotech N8 (as mentioned already in our past communication). Have a nice day. LG

Do you mean that it doesn't become flat? I looked everywhere but I couldn't find any photos. You're saying that the bowl stays where it is and there's just a screw under the bowl?

Well. It´s like a "cut off" half bowl (like it´s the case with basically all 75mm and 100mm heads - Check out your Focus. The cutoff is also there - Just smaller and not inteded to be used for flat base mounting, as Cartoni normaly places their head adjustment screws there ^^). So: As soon as you remove the stud, it gets kind of flat - but yes - the surface is smaller compared to a standard flat base head. It´s working nice though. For example: I used the Benro H8 quite a while on a smaller tripod with a mid level column. There the smaller flat surface on the half bowl of the H8 was even better (as the top plate of the mid level column was also quite small - It matched quite well ^^). Btw.: Here are two pictures I shot a few minutes ago: www.austriangeek.com/public-stuff/pictures/Sachtler-ACE-L_Bottom_1.jpg www.austriangeek.com/public-stuff/pictures/Sachtler-ACE-L_Bottom_2.jpg If the stud is removed, the 3/8" thread emerges (and you can screw the head onto any 3/8" tripod, slider, jib and so on). It´s 1:1 the same with the BV4 and BV6 heads. Same flat area to mount them everywhere as soon as you unscrew the stud. I hope, the pictures make it clear. It´s quite hard to describe without pictures (had that problem already in the past). ^^

The BV6 is the same head as the BV4 - Just coming with two additional spring steps (and a higher payload because of those two steps). So you can see this video for both models -> The BV4 AND also the BV6. Btw.: They are both way better than the S8 (as the S8 is a friction based head only - With grease and two plates which are pressing against each other to achieve resistence - So the drag quality and the max drag are limited by those components). The BV4 and BV6 heads on the other hand are "real" fluid heads. They use oil based fluid cartridges (because of that cartrdiges the drag system is also stepped - Not stepless). Because of these you get a more even drag performance AND also a way higher possible drag. To sum it up: The BV6 is for sure one of the best bang for the buck heads actually - But keep in mind the limitations I mentioned in the video (limited built quality, you need to change the original QR plate, you need a really stable tripod and so on). If you keep that points in mind (also while choosing a tripod for it), then it´s a great buy. Btw.: Don´t forget to buy locally (at least at a dealer within your country). Why? Because if you have any problems, you get at least local warranty (and support). AND you can change the head (if there are any manufacturing problems aka quality issues). And as you can have bad luck with BENRO from time to time (scratchy movements, broken knobs through shipment and so on), it´s worth to invest a few bucks more at a store within your country. ^^ Hope that helps.

It´s the 501PL system. There are three (compatible and interchangeable) plate types: 501PL (that´s the shorter one), 501PLONG (that´s the longer one) and 504PL (which is 1:1 the same as the 501PLONG - Same length and overall dimentions - Just a new / different naming). So search for the 501PLONG or 504PL replacement plates if you want to need the longer version (for rigs or bigger camcorders) or search for the 501PL replacement plates if you just want to mount a smaller camera (directly) - Then the shorter one is also "enough" ^^.

AustrianGeek thanks so much!

Well - That happens quite alot. Many clients ask for videos too nowadays (as everyone is now using their smartphones - And its also quite easy to shoot high quality video with the newer ones ^^). About a video head for yourself: Well - The BV4 and BV6 heads from Benro are quite nice / kind of a "sweet spot" if you also want to shoot with long focal lengths (no other cheap head offers THAT high and good drag quality at this point in time). Altough keep in mind, that they are out of plastic - So you need to keep more of an eye on that (compared to a full metal one). But BETTER heads are then at 1000 bucks upwards (FSB 6 / FSB 8 from sachtler for example) - And that´s just not "worth it" if you start to shoot video(s). About the legs for the Benro BV6 (I would go for that one as it offers more payload range for the future): If possible I would choose other legs than the Benro ones. For example the Manfrotto 535 aluminium or carbon fibre legs are quite nice. Or you can also go for the E-IMAGE GA752 / GC752 legs with quick lock system (that means just one lock per leg - Not two or more). For example: I still use the GC752 as my main tripod and it´s really nice overall - Even after many months I have it now. About the S6 head (and also the S7 / S8 from manfrotto): Those are a COMPLETELY different class of fluid heads. They are by far not compareable (as the BV4 and BV6 heads are more compareable to the Sachtler ACE / FSB series - The S6 and S7 / S8 are more compareable to the entry level 501HDV or 701HDV from Manfrotto - I hope that shows already how huge the difference is). The features are WAY better (more counterbalance steps with the BV4 and BV6 for example). PLUS: The drag is usable also with super long focal lengths. Thats just not possible with the S6. If you want to save money, you can also choose the BV4 - But I would search for a BV6 first (to be safe for future higher payloads). But the BV4 is also enought for most smaller setups - So also search for that one. At least here in central europe you can find the BV4 sometimes for just 150 bucks (or even below). Btw.: You can also use the BV4 and BV6 on stills tripods (with mid level column). You just need to remove the stud / threaded bold at the bottom and then you can mount it directly to a stills tripod (as there´s a 3/8" thread at the bottom of the BV4 and BV6 heads). So you can also use them that way. BUT: A leveling tripod + fluid-head is a better solution. So if you have the money, search for a 75mm half bowl tripod for your BV4 / BV6 ^^. There are also other solutions on the market (like the Sachtler ACE L / XL). But those kits are kind of ALWAYS more expensive. But keep also an eye on those. For example the ACE L TT kit (with the ACE L head and the Manfrotto 535 MPro carbon fibre legs) also got sold off quite extremely as the ACE XL got released. So you´re maybe lucky (and you can find a like new used one for around 400 to 500 bucks (and those additional bucks would be WAY worth it - Don´t save on a good tripod btw. - It´s one of the few things, you keep for 5 up to 10 years (!) Not just a year or two like some kameras or other equipment (like smartphones ^^). Hope that helps - Have fun shooting (!) LG.

Thank you! Appreciate the response.

You are the best. So i went ahead and followed most of your advice. Do you notice how there are not many reviews on the BV4 and BV6. So i highly appreciate your videos. I just ordered the BV4. It is not as cheap here in the states (259). Oh well. I did get the kit with the Benro cheaper legs that i know you don't recommened, but it was essentially only 90 dollars more (349) for the legs with the 75mm bowl and i figure i could use that. I know you said those legs may not be stable enough with higher drag settings, but i will try to deal with it. Thanks again, big help. I use this Benro stuff in my photo work and love it, and it is tough wading through the info on video, just not a lot out there i feel.

Well - It´s a shame that the BV4 and BV6 heads are not more widely known for the good drag (as they are kind of the only alternatives to the Sachtler ACE L / XL / M heads - And kind of the only alternatives under 500 bucks for the heads alone, which are usable for long focal lengths). About the kit vs head only: Ah. Ok. If the kit is not much more expensive, then go for that one - But don´t expect wonders ^^. Btw.: If it´s not fitting your needs (the tripod itself) you can still change to another one later and get rid of the kit legs - OR use them only for other purposes - Slider use for example with a half bowl adapter ^^. Well - I´m glad that I could help - Have fun shooting (!) LG

Hi there. It´s good to hear that the videos are helping ^^. Btw.: The HiDv is off the market yes - But it is basically the same as the Smartpro (H548). Just the colours and tactile feel is a little bit different (for example the controls switched from rubber to hard plastic). The drag and spring are 1:1 the same - I can even assure you that as I have actually both here. Also another video I need to make ^^. The Focus 8 got other upgrades (for example the new quick release plate system). But overall its also quite similar. With Cartoni it´s btw. a little bit weird yes. The brand is not very well known (like Sachtler, Vinten, Oconnor and so on). And there are also not THAT many videos / tests online available. Btw. they changed the HiDv to the SmartPro due to the rubber (which they used for the control knobs). You had to treat it from time to time with special rubber liquids (so it stayed fine). Otherwise the rubber got whitish over time. So I think that the main point why they switched from the HiDv to the SmartPro (or from the older Focus HD model to the new one -> Which they sell since 2015 now). Btw.: If you can afford it, maybe check out the Focus HD (2015 edition). I had the older rubber model (and we now use the Focus HD 2015 model at work) - It´s REALLY good for the price. And at some dealers you can get if for a GREAT price. 100mm half bowl - But it´s worth the effort to find compatible legs (Manfrotto MPro 536 for example - Though not as handy as speedlock-tripods or similar ones ^^). They offer also nice 100mm tripods though (Cartoni). And camera-kings are offering the Cartoni-Stuff super cheap for example (they are located in the UK). Just keep in mind the bigger size / higher overall weight of the head (and of the bigger 100mm tripods) ... The smaller Cartoni are kind of a "dagger" - They have pros and cons. The huge pro is the stepless drag and counterbalance for example. BUT the cons are: The balancing starts somewhere higher (than at zero) -> As it´s a stepless spring system. Or for example also the max. drag is limited (due to the stepless drag system). With the ACE L you get for example more drag at the highest setting. But the stepless counterbalance is nice - Would LOVE to have this feature on all tripods / fluid heads. Yes. The Vinten are also starting quite high (according that aspect the Cartonis are all better - Even the big Focus HD). That´s one of the points why I never had a Vinten head til now (at least not by myself - Only borrowed them twice). Overall the best choice is actually the ACE L (at around 400 to 500 bucks used if you´re lucky). A little bit too "weak" drag wise for many applications. But it´s a very good unviersal head (to start with or with lower payloads overall). I even recommend it over the small Cartoni. Above that you can check out the Focus HD or the FSB6 / FSB8 - All three are nice (but WAY pricier overall). The FSB directly - And the FocusHD as you need a pricier 100mm half bowl tripod ^^. Too bat that I never had the Focus 8. But I guess it´s still the same as the HiDv or SmartPro (as it´s their successor). Alternatives are the BV heads yes - Altough the drag is quite high from scratch on (so they are good for longer focal lenghts because of that). But you also need VERY good tripods (otherwise the higher drag is also a huge con -> because the tripods starts to twist). But you can also search for the older (not available anymore) Sachtler DV6 SB or DV 8 / 10 SB heads. They got discontinued (as the bigger FSB heads were released). But they are also REALLY nice (and they are available with 75mm half bowls too - Beside the 100mm versions). Tough choice - But if you have time to choose, you can maybe find something "fitting" your needs ^^. Oh. I should have read the whole message -> I see you want to focus more on more lightweight heads. Ups. So maybe forget about the Focus HD. Altough it´s fitting on the Gitzo Systematic tripods with the optional 100mm half bowls (just as a hint) ^^. I also want to try out the 3442 (I have the official Austrian distributor in my town - So maybe I can ask for a little rebate or so if I make a video about it). Specs wise the most interesting solution yes (which also supports 75mm half bowls). But keep in mind that it´stand is a little bit smaller (so the angle of the legs is a little bit lower). But the difference is not THAT huge. But because of that the 3442 (rapid or standard edition) is getting to an acceptable height - Without addint too much material and weight. If you want something stable though, the E-IMAGE GC752 or GA752 is a good choice. The GC752 + ACE L is still my main tripod (and I am still quite happy with it) ^^. Btw.: I am not THAT of a fan of Gitzo (at least if you buy it new). It´s just too pricey (at least for hobby / private usage). If you earn alot of money with it it´s maybe not that important anymore ^^. But in general the prices are just too high for my taste. About accessory connectors: Well - I never use those (as I normaly go for a super small rig base with 15mm rods instead + magic arm for example). It´s just more convenient than mounting something to the tripod or the fluid head. At least it´s my experience. Beside that you need an "anti-twist" connector like it´s the case with some manfrotto tripods (if you plan to mount something to the tripod directly) -> As with normal connections the magic arms tends to get loose way too easily. Just as a hint -> Maybe it´s better to go for a small base with 1/4" or 3/8" options (or 15mm rods + compatible magic arm) - Youre more flexible that way (and you can even compensate for the higher starting min.-payload of a few fludi heads -> Why? Because as soon as you place your camera higher the center of gravity is also raising. So you can also balance more lightweight settings with most of the higher starting fluid heads -> The Vinten "bridge" is for example doing the exactly same thing (it´s only coming without 1/4" or 3/8" mountering threads ^^).

Agreed -- Gitzo is expensive. The 3442 is less than half the price! Sometimes I prefer to pay for fewer higher quality items, but I'll have to decide if this is one of those cases. [FWIW, I'm only ~1.64m tall, so, I don't need a tall stand for it to be usable for me :)] The equipment I want off to the side is a DR-701D which has a screen that is angled up, so I'd prefer it to be placed lower. Right now it sits under my tiny TM700 with the giant NT4 mic on top, and I find it difficult to see the 701D's display while seated. Putting it off to the side and well under would be an advantage, but it's going to be a requirement when the new, much larger UX180 makes an appearance. I could create a rig around the UX180 (larger base, something hanging off the handle, whatever), but I'm not excited by the prospect. There are advantages in keeping the lofted section lower profile and keeping the audio bits out of the visual path (though there WILL be a fair number of cables between the two -- mics and hdmi-sync to 701D, lineout back up to camera -- it's never straightforward, is it?). I've got a good price quote on both the Ace-L and the Focus8 (the Gitzo runs about the sum of the two, and the Focus8 comes with a tripod ;/). Good to know (aka unfortunate to learn) that the drag might be a little loose on the Cartoni. The 8s has a good chart wrt height and counterbalanced weight (under Technical Data: www.cartoni.com/products/fluid-heads/fluid-heads-75-mm/hf08s0-focus-8s/), so, yeah, I know the AceL won't counter-balance a pound, though it at least can be disengaged, while the Focus8 is in a similar position w/o a disengaged mode. I'm just not sure whether I'm an "infinite adjust" vs "finite, repeatable" kind of person, so I'm still flip-flopping about a bit. Thanks for the info!

Hmm. Did you check out the bag options for the DR-701D? That way you could also use it on the go (with the camcorder in your hands for example or if you just want to record atmo sounds). And you could also hang it that way onto the tripod. Sure - It´s not as handy to check the volume levels all the time. But you should still see the display (if you don´t hang it that low). And it would also add a more centered weight (which is adding stability to the tripod). Just one option ^^. And you could hang it in the right height (if you sit near the tripod). According the UX180: Well - There you get already a good audio section. So I don´t know if it´s really necessary to use the DR-701D additionally. At least if you just need two channels (instead the four of the 701D). Without the external recording you also save alot of cables / adapters and so on. The good question is the quality difference though -> That you need to test out as soon as you get the UX180. I know - It´s a tough choice inbetween the Cartoni and Sachtler heads. I like for example the stepless counterbalance of the Cartoni - But I also like the stepped drag of the Sachtler (and it´s drag compensates quite well the payloads inbetween the counterbalance steps). Well - I think you need to choose out of your stomache. ^^ Btw.: Maybe they changed the drag of the new Focus 8 (as there are more differences overall) - I can only tell you that the HiDv and SmartPro drag is a little bit too limited for my taste. At least it´s getting lower as soon as you let the drag at full setting over longer time. The drag of the Sachtler heads is more constant (at least it´s the case with the smaller Cartoni - The Focus HD is as mentioned a completely different "class" of head - Like ACE L compared to the FSB8 or DV6SB / DV8SB - The FSB8 and DV heads are also better). Keep in mind btw. that both heads (ACE L and the smaller Cartoni) are not the best of the best for longer focal lengths. Btw.: If you shoot ALOT with mid or longer zoom, then go for a head with a higher drag. If you don´t mind the plastic built, you could also go for the here shown new Benro BV heads (BV4 and BV6) -> If the Focus HD is too heavy / big for your taste ^^. They are both quite affordable and offer similar features compared to the ACE L. Just built quality wise they are worse - AND they are nice if you REALLY need the stiffer drag (to shoot with longer focal lengths). Tough choices - But for sure nice options (all of them). You cannot make much wrong with either mentioned head ^^. Have a nice day!

Yes, bag option is a good idea to consider if I can hang from a tripod hook -- not sure if either of the heads put a hook on the bottom handle? That's a really good points -- thx. [I'm not expecting the audio section to be sufficient for concert recordings. But this is complicated by the fact that panning may well NOT be a strict requirement there -- that's more required for my sports shoots, where audio is more :meh: ]

Hmm. Most don´t have a hook there. Though you could modify something yourself (for example use a clamp or so which you can mount to one of the legs or the bottom / half bowl handle) to hang the bag - more or less - mid centered inbetween the legs. ^^ Though - Hmm. You wrote that you want to sit at the tripod right? So you need to go for a very short belt then (otherwise your feet don´t have space to sit closer to the tripod - Altough you need to test that out as you´re not that big - Maybe it´s possible). If there´s too less space (or if you sit higher to the tripod anyway), then it´s maybe even better to go (again) for a shorter belt replacement if the original one is not short enough and hang it OUTSIDE the tripod. I don´t know if you understand what i mean. Short belt -> hang it around the fluid head (so the belt stays inbetween the tripod and fluid head -> At the height of the half bowl). And then rest it outside one of the (double) tripod legs (and maybe mount it there additionally). Or you could even try to rest the bag inbetween two legs (so you have it still in sight and it´s then also not going anywhere - even without additional mounting). Should be also a super easy and fast option (as you just need to hang it over the fluid head ^^). And the 701 should be big enough so that it stays inbwetween two legs. Sure - All options are not as stable / as good fixed in position as a screwed-on solution. But as the 701 is quite big overall, it´s also not THAT easy to mount it somewhere (where it´s also not in the way of yourself or of your feet). ^^ Btw.: I used already bags that way -> Hanging around the fluid head half bowl and the tripod to add stability (and place my bag somewhere). Though not with a 701D til now ^^. LG

Hmm. Yes. The ACE L / XL are a little bit more robust - BUT: Still no comparison to a super rugged full metal head (like from Vinten, Oconnor or Sachtler - FSB and DV series for example). It´s also just a composite / pastic material which is in use with the ACE heads. There´s also a risk that they break (or wear out) if someone always puts load on the handle connection. Btw - About putting the hand on the tripod head I am a little bit curious: Are they balancing the head to the weight of the camera + the weight of their hand? Never saw someone doing this with smaller heads at all - Need to try this out too ^^. At least I never saw it without locking the head down. Overall - If you really need a more rugged head - Then you need to jump into the cold water and invest more. A used FSB 8 for example is kind of the sweet spot. But it´s extremely hard to find at a good price. But it´s the only head in the smaller 75mm class with very good drag settings (5 instead of 3 of the FSB 2 / 4 / 6 models). The ACE L / XL are no really an option for you (because of the too low drag). And there the BV4 and BV6 shine. I am honest - I also went again for a used BV4 as my new 2nd head beside the ACE L (which is still my main head). Yes - You need to keep an eye on it (as it´s not super rugged). But drag performance per dollar wise its really unbeatable - And it got me "hooked" on it again as I tried it at my colleague together with the C373F tripod ^^. So to sum it up: I am afraid that you need to step up in a way higher price class (FSB 8 in used / like new condition would be kind of perfect). Sure - You can also try out the Nitrotech N8 or the new N12 with even higher payload. But as I mentioned already in the past - It seems like its suffering from sitbacks. But maybe you can find it somewhere locally to try it out - Maybe it´s good enough for your taste. Just keep in mind: The longer the focal length, the more you will see and get sitbacks within your footage. It´s adding up like hell ^^. Have a nice day. LG

Wow, a super awesome answer as always, haha! :) So, what we are doing, is that we are recording church services, and this camera will record at a focal length of 170-250mm. So, as you said, shaking and such stuff are adding up like ****, haha Great thanks for the answer. Love to know what you think about the other heads. I will try for myself next time, and push a bit more. When I tried them the last time at the store, I just pushed easily with my fingers. It seems like I need to tell the cam-crew to use the head in this way. Seems like we do need to upgrade to metal heads, but that has to come later on (economy). About putting the hand on the tripod-handle (your question on top): I'm just thinking how I would use it if I were to handle a camera for broadcast for an hour. I would not like to only rest my fingers easily on the handle, but to be able to put my hand on the handle. Not like putting my entire weight on it, but just laying my hand on the handle without having it flex, which totally will show when you are zooming in at 200mm! ^^ Hmm.. I think I will keep the BV6 for now then, since I need to get up in price range quite a bit to get rid of this. Well well! Suppose what we really need for this zoom-cam is a 100mm metal head, and maybe even a pedestal. Hoping to get the economical resources needed for this in the future. :) I'm quite happy otherwise. I also bought an E-Image tripod, went for the CT761, which has the height we need! Will test this out on Sunday, it's gonna be interesting to see how it looks. Have a nice day!

Have fun shooting ^^. I hope you can arrange yourself with the BV6 head(s). Btw.: How are the 761CT legs?

Hi again! Here's an update: You can see the E-Image 761CT legs along with the Benro BV6 in action right here: facebook.com/OneHeartChurchStockholm/videos/954227398060752/ Fast run forward to 1:30h to see the Benro BV6 in action on 320 mm zoom. (we are only having a camera man on the camera during the preaching at the moment, as we are building our team slowly) Other gear used is a Sony A6000 (yes, we are on a budget, and I have visions and dreams for better cameras, but I'm rather proud for what we are getting out of this, even though I think the skin tones are a bit bright), and a Canon FD 70-200 red lens. Here we are shooting at 200mm, which on the Sony A6000 equals about 320 mm. I really like the result, and the drag is smooth. There are some shakings which I suppose can be removed with a full metal head. But over all I really like the result. So right now, I'm trying to build a tv-crew out of some guys who have no experience with this since before. On the fb-live video I linked, the guy handling the front camera and the BV6 head has absolutely no experience at all, he has not seen a tripod like that, he has not touched a tripod like that, he has not read any article or RU-vid video about video tripod heads or used a camera on tripod at all before. So, having this in mind, I really really like the result from the Fb-live video I linked to in this post comment. About the 761 CT: I do like the tripod. It's not super stable at full length, but it's tall, and I can see no vibration when I'm dragging the head. So that's good. But the 761CT feels professional and I like it. What I will look for next time, is a tripod like the flow tech 75, where you only have to move one sprint to unlock the entire leg. Just found it yesterday, but it's also a bit more expensive. For the price, I think the 761CT is stable, really high (which I need on this specific camera) and has a professional feel. On potential downside on the 761CT: Today, as I introduced a new guy on the tv-team I'm trying to build up, I asked him to set up the tripod. Now, when this guy turned the first lock to unlock the first lower leg and pull it out, he turned too many times, so much that the entire lower leg fell out, and we had to work for 15 minutes to get it back. That was not so fun 1,5 hour before going up on air. I'm not entirely sure if we got it back 100% right, but we got it back in there anyways. Maybe all legs are able to pull out, but it was really hard to get back. This won't happen when you know what you are doing, but I was a bit surprised (and terribly chocked!!), even though he was green on using tripods, haha!

Hello again. Thx for the update (and the link) ^^. Worked quite well I have to say (according your shooting). I am still impressed with the BV heads - Especially if you consider their price point. Btw.: Yes - Keep an eye on the exposure of your cameras. It seems like the offset camera (close to the stage - offset to one of the sides) was a little bit overexposed (the straight one / the one from the back was ok). Btw.: If you use camcorders - Especially smaller ones, then its best to check it with an external monitor (while setting up everything) - And if possible check and fix the exposure before starting to shoot. With the internal screens you never know if the exposure is right or not =/. And keep an eye on the stage lights. I also had problems like that already (that there was a quite close spot on the stage and you need to dial down the exposure quite severly to secure the skintones). You need to push the material in post quite alot (exposure wise) - But hey - You also get noise if you shoot with a higher exposure from scratch on (with smaller sensors) ^^. Btw.: Was everything shot live or did you stream it afterwards (cut)? About the 761CT: Well - MANY tripods are not super solid fully extended. Its the same with my beloved E-IMAGE GC752 (dual rod) tripod (the older slightly bigger revision). If you use it at the normal height its SUPER rugged. But if you extend it to the max its loosing stability / ruggedness noticeably. But hey - I use it 9 out of 10 times at the super stable height - So who cares ^^. Try to use btw. the upper stages first (and extend the lowest / thinnest one just in case you need more height). Should give you the best stability overall (at below the max. 163cm). Though: I guess - Most of the time you´ll use it fully extended ^^. About the screw locks: Thats the HUGE limitation. Most people who dont know screw lock systems unlock them WAY too much. Also happended nearly to one of my tripods (as I gave one with screw locks to a collague). If you really want to be on the safe side, you could still check out the Manfrotto MPro 535 tripod. There you also get above 170cm max height and its coming with clip locks ^^. Just in case it happens again or so (in the future). Have a nice day (!) LG

Thx for the hint. Well - The sellers always cancel the deals (or the plates sell out quite quickly). I updated the link - Or you can use that one directly: www.ebay.com/itm/140mm-501PL-QR-Plate-Sliding-Rail-for-Manfrotto-501HDV-MH054M0-Q5-561BHDV-1/182491376618?hash=item2a7d556bea:g:n~gAAOSw4A5Yyk8W - I compared the plates. It should be the right one. Important is the numbered marking at the sides (from zero to 70). And the non interrupted rubber pads on top. I ordered three plates til now (with months inbetween from different sellers) - And I always got the right ones that way ^^. Have fun shooting (!) LG

I am mentioning it here again (for other readers): It´s better to search for the E-IMAGE "EG03C2" tripod kit. That´s the GH03 fluid head with the GC752 carbon fibre legs (and a nice bag). This kit is WAY easier to get (and the tripod in the kit is noticeably cheaper overall). If you don´t need the head you can sell it if you want (and keep just the tripod + bag). Or start with the whole kit (and change the head later). At least for lower payloads the GH03 head should be also fine and usable ...

Hmm. I think I used the ACE L for those shots. Also a nice head - Sadly not available anymore new. Though keep in mind that the ACE heads are not as long time stable drag wise (compared to other heads on the market). They tend to wear out (especially panning wise) if you use them really intensively. So only an option if you do not shoot on an everyday basis or "heavy duty" fluid head stuff like shooting sports with movements all the time. Btw.: I still use the BV4 as a secondary head btw. (went for a used kit a few years after this review). Still one of the best lightweight and cheap fluid heads on the market in its class ^^. LG

@@AustrianGeek I liked BV4 until I learned it's not a fluid head but a panhead. Do you think it's as smooth as your ACE?

@@davemorphling7432 Why do you think that tis only a pan-head? Pan head would mean that its only moving in one axis btw. But the BV4 is a classical fluid head (with fluid cartridges) like any other "real" fluid head for video applications on the market ^^. The BV4 is even smoother than the ACE M and ACE L at least. The newer ACE XL I did not use til now - But it should use the same cartridges as the older ACE L model. LG

Hmm. I guess not - The Weebill S seems to use a different plate style. The BV4 accepts all 501PL, 501PLONG and 504PL Plates. You could therefor still put a clamp for the Manfrotto Plates on your Weebill S - I just don´t know how happy you will be with that solution (as it also adds weight and height). Hope that helps ^^. LG

Well - As stated in the video the ACE L is still better overall (built quality wise). But if you know how to handle the BV heads (according the play which is sometimes the case -> That you need to switch again inbetween the drag steps to remove it), then both BV models are for sure nice heads. Altough I also like the ACE L more (according the overall quality). Too bad, that it´s not coming with a stiffer 3rd drag setting (like the 3rd step on the BV heads). About the E-IMAGE GC752 legs: They are worth the effort and the pain to get them ^^.

Oh I do love the Sachtler but I am concerned that it is much smaller than most and I find it hard to believe it can handle a larger rig. I can see the Sachtler lasting 20 years... The Benro... doubt it really. I have found the E image you reference BUT in aluminum WITH the head (also small) for maybe 250 or less. Oddly enough, Ikan indicates that both the C752 and A752 have the same payload and also weigh the same. I think that your choice of the Ikan sticks is brilliant considering they seem to have a decent client support system unlike the Benro . I was told today that some of the Sachtler engineers jumped ship and moved over to Benro but I cannot confirm this.. maybe just a myth or fun story... on the BV series that is. Anyways, have you tried the aluminum version of your sticks? It is identical in every way including the one lever and weight I am told. As an aside, I do actually like the 504HD head but the sticks have a flaw with the latches actually cracking or breaking off. Some people buy the Ikan sticks and put the Manfrotto 504 on after. Keep the ikan head for backup I guess. The play on the pan drag seems to be consistent with the one I tried today. It would seem to snap into play eventually. So I am guessing your experience is very common and ALL the BVs do this. But as you mentioned the flaw with BV 6 and the lever covering up the thread hole is just kinda amateurish ...Plus the big jump in drag from one setting to another is a flaw in my mind. The sachtler was very very nice and reasonable increases in drag but the head seemed kind of small for the payload rated. So you are 100% correct to say the Ace L is a better head... alot better but I am not sure it is sold separately.

Sorry forgot to mention that the Sachtler kit has a very short arm.. unusually short . I would guess you would need to get an upgrade with an extension.

Sure. The ACE L cannot carry a SUPER BIG rig system. But it´s also not designed to do so ^^. PLUS: It´s often a better idea to redesign and rethink your rig. Because you also need to carry around everything - And I found out that I am WAY happier with a smaller rig (as I also use it more often and carry it with me because of the lower weight). ^^ About the E-Image GA752: Yes. The aluminium kit is really cheap (together with the GH03). Please also tell me, how good the GH03 is performing. Should be also quite nice for super small camera kits. Btw.: I only got the GC752, because I found a used kit together with the GH06 head. Otherwise I would have also chosen the GA752 kit (also because of the WAY lower price) ^^. Btw.: No. I didn´t try the GA752 til now (as mentioned in my other answer at the Benro S8 video comments). But they should be 1:1 the same yes. Yes - The BV4 and BV6 heads are not the best built quality wise - But at least the drag performance is there (and that´s the most important point according a fluid head). At least, if there´s no play in the mechanics ^^. Btw.: No - The ACE L is not available seperately. But it´s from time to time available quite cheap (in one of the kits). Always a chance to get it cheap (and sell the rest). More work than just ordering it - I know. But you save MASSIVE amounts of money that way. ^^ About the short arm of the Sachtler ACE heads: You can change it if you want to. For me it´s long enough. Btw.: I think the original sachtler grips are fitting (which are also compatible to the FSB heads). But don´t nail me down on that (better ask the support if you really plan to order one). LG

From what I can see the ACE L and M are the same except for counterbalance and the lit bubble ... maybe a bigger plate on the ACE L... The L should be able to carry 6 KGs which is pretty substantial. I think the sales guy got confused between the load the legs can take vs what the head can handle. The legs are supposed to hold 44KGs if I recall correctly. I think he thought the head would hold that... so tiny ... A friend of mine is selling his ACE M and surprising it is quite sturdy but equally a tiny head... Now you feel the ACE L sometimes goes on special but I assume you mean online retailers ... locally I doubt that.

Hi there. The "ACE L" was on the market before the XL was released. Sadly its not available anymore. (Its sad, as it was possible to use it even without any counterbalance - With a smartphone for example). The new XL is always coming with a spring enabled (it starts at step 1 instead of 0 on the older ACE L model - You can see it on pictures online if you compare the two ^^). I know - I recommend both head series kind of (ACE L / XL and the Benro BV). Its just that it depends on whats important for you. Very good replacement parts support (and faster repair) -> Sachtler ACE L or XL. Better dampening -> Benro BV4 or BV6. Better built quality -> Sachtler. Cheaper price point -> Benro BV. I personally use both (the 2nd revision ACE L and the BV4). Drag performance wise the BV4 is better (so its also better for long focal lengths). But sometimes I also like to use the ACE L (as Benro is not a "premium style head" - For some paid projects where I don´t need the stiffer drag the Sachtler head is therefor hte better choice ^^). The ACE M from Sachtler I would not go for. Unless they changed the drag cartridge to the same one as in the (actually available) ACE XL model. The problem is: The drag is noticeably lower than with the ACE L and XL for example. I had two copies over the time (immediately after release and then later another one). And both were not stiff enough for my taste. The ACE L also got stiffer over time (the 2nd revision / newer revisions). But I cannot tell you if they also use the same cartridges now in the ACE M and the ACE XL. In your case I would search for a used ACE L kit (or a BV4 kit) and sell the tripod / use the tripod with it you like (I highly recommend leg wise the MPro 535, MVT535AQ alu version of the 535 or the E-IMAGE GC752 carbon fibre quick lock legs for example - There are also GA752 aluminium ones available - But they are not as stable as the GC752 ^^. You can find the E-IMAGE also sometimes super chea in kits with the E-IMAGE GH03 or other heads for example). Hope that helps to clear up the points ^^. LG

@@AustrianGeek Ah, it's the older model! Of course I am watching your videos from some time ago. Thanks for clearing that up and responding so quickly. I am very glad to have found your helpful videos, and only wish you had about six other tripod reviews. :-) It is rare to find such important details discussed as you do. My requirements are a head with excellent build that can nonetheless balance in the crucial 0-2kg range. The "Ace XL MS" is best for 2-8kg so not appropriate. For a budget around £1000 I think nothing will top the "Cartoni Focus 8 Red Lock" system. But I want to spend significantly less and already have "Feisol Tournament CT-3442" legs, which are light and portable. Love them for stills work. However, they may not be robust enough for a head with stiff action. I see you recommend instead "Feisol Elite 3372" in your Benro BV4 video. This makes sense to me, as they have bigger leg diameter. Two further problems for me. First, I don't want to buy a system only to resell part of it. I am now considering a personal purchase where this *is* possible. But any solution I come up with might need to be replicated x5 by an institution who cannot do transactions this way. So I need to buy a system where both parts work to standard, or buy legs and head separately. This constraint also rules out buying used.

@Robin Parmar Yeah. I have to make some additional videos about tripods. Also announced them (and then time was too short). ^^ Well - If you want an excellent built head, the question is, if you should go for a plastic head (all mentioned ones are out of plastic or a composite material WITH plastic - ACE L, XL, BV4, BV6 and also the Focus 8 from Cartoni). Maybe a used Sachtler FSB6 which is out of metal is an option? (Or a used Sachtler DV6SB in good condition.) Sometimes you´re lucky and find those quite cheaply. About the Cartoni: I don´t know. I am not THAT of a fan of the smaller Cartoni heads. The bigger ones - GREAT. But I had two of the Cartoni 75mm half bowl heads (the HiDv and the SmartPro - The Focus 8 should be the successor of those) - And with both I wasn´t super duper happy. I also had the Focus HD (which is a bigger 100mm half bowl head). That one was GREAT. So I expect its just because of the different head designs inbetween the bigger and smaller ones (we still use the Focus HD 2nd revision at work - Should be similar to the actual Focus 12 which is great!). What was not that great with the smaller Cartoni heads? I had scratching problems on the HiDv which I fixed. But it was anyways annoying as the head was literally brand new as I got it. Also the fluid cartridge "broke" on the SmartPro variant (which I got later on beside the HiDv). Service was super fast and great though (even without a receipt I got a repair). So they offer a good service / support which is great ^^. But the main problem was: I didn´t like the drag on the smaller heads (HiDv and SmartPro). You can set it to the highest setting and its great for a few minutes. But over time its getting weaker and weaker (like the drag system is loosing tention). It was the same with both heads. With the bigger Focus HD ones on the other hand - Nothing at all. With BOTH revisions (I had the 1st one - At work we have / still use the 2nd revision). I really don´t know what they misdesigned with their smaller heads. Mabye they fixed it with the newer Focus 8 (who knows ^^). But the Focus 8 still looks 1:1 the same to the HiDv and SmartPro heads (except the top plate systems are different - And the colours). About the Feisol tripods: You can also upgrade your 3442 with the LB-7567 leveling base kit (which offers normaly a standard 75mm half bowl). Only limitation is, that the 3342 and 3442 legs are not super high (only around 140cm max height). And they are also not super duper sturdy yes (but very light - And thats a nice and kind of the main selling point of those ^^). The problem is though: Due to the very low weight they are also not optimal for video use yes. They will slip way too easy with the Benro BV4 or BV6 (which offer very high drag). With the ACE L though they should work, as its a little bit less "extreme" according the drag settings. I just don´t know if you will be happy with the height of your 3442 for shooting video (the MPro 535 with the fixed mounted 75mm half bowl for example offers around 170cm - And thats WAY more flexible to use) ... About purchasing stuff: Well. Dealers also sell used stuff quite often. Or B-Stock / display-stock. There you then also get full warranty quite often (and a normal receipt / proof of purchase for your taxes). The Benro heads are also quite easy to get new at a VERY low price point. But I don´t know if you will be happy with the built quality and haptics. As mentioned: Super great drag performance and movement performance (unbeatable at their price point). But the overall built quality is definitely lower than with the ACE L for example ^^. Maybe you can find the ACE L quite cheap in like new condition (or the mentioned FSB6 or DV6SB). But IF you go for the ACE L, then you need to check the revision. The newer revision is coming with that screw type on the bottom: www.austriangeek.com/public-stuff/pictures/Sachtler-ACE-L_Bottom_1.jpg www.austriangeek.com/public-stuff/pictures/Sachtler-ACE-L_Bottom_2.jpg The older heads don´t have this "nut shaped" threaded stud. They come with a stud without that nut at the base. That is important, as with the newer revision ACE L heads you get: 1.) better drag than with the older ones (at least to my experiences - I had access to a few) and 2.) also important: With the newer "nut shaped" threaded stud revision you can also remove it and get then a 3/8" thread at the bottom of the half bowl base to screw the head directly onto sliders or cranes (or you can even use it then on a stills tripod that way, if you prefer a tripod with a mid level column ^^). You loose the leveling feature of the half bowl that way - But hey. At least you have the choice ^^. According legs: Definitely check out the MPro 535 (Sachtler TT) legs - They are kind of a "sweet spot" inbetween price, usability, weight, ease of use etc (no speedlocks - But usable for both stills and video due to the missing mid level column - AND you can get quite low with it - The non-existing mid level or ground level spreader is not holding you back ^^). On the other hand: If the MPro 535 is too pricey / you don´t find a display unit at a dealer at a good price point then go for the MVT535AQ (Aluminium Version). Also has GREAT quality (with slightly different leg and stage design). But its noticeably heavyer in comparison. Though: Sometimes thats even a plus (its standing like a rock ^^). Double legs tripods wise the already mentioned GC752 from E-Image is nearly unbeatable (beside the "industry standard" CF75 Speedlock leg versions from Sachtler - Which are way more expensive though - Even used). The E-IMAGE GA752 aluminium version is the super cheapo variant then. Also quite "ok" (got it in a kit with the GH03 super cheap - Thats the point why I mentioned that option). But its not as rugged (due to the small lag diameter with aluminium as material - With the carbon fibre on the GC752 thats not a problem ^^). Well - Thats it. Have a nice day and have a nice weekend ^^. LG

@@AustrianGeek Thanks so much for an exhaustive answer. I will continue the dialogue with the hopes it will help other readers. I see you are knowledgable about the Feisol tripods. I have already checked out the leveling base kit and confirmed that the tripod will still fold back for packing with it installed. For my personal use I will go with this option, even though the legs are lighter. The reason is to do with health. I must sacrifice the weight and stability of a "better" system for one I can bear to carry. "The best tripod is the one you have with you." Secondly, by adapting my current legs, I have less to purchase, and can possibly afford a better head. With a light camera rig based around the BMPCC4K, I imagine I will be OK with those light-weight legs, so long as I don't get a head with very stiff drag. My experience with video is limited, but I don't see myself needing that level of slow movement. So this rules out the Benro. I am interested in "bottom feeding" the pro ranges, so your advice on used gear is useful. I have just come across Smooth Camera Gear who have some ridiculously low-priced offerings, based on Chinese manufacturing. Despite the necessity to import from Australia, they are tempting to check out.

@@RobinParmar Ups. I wrote the wrong model (LB-7572). For your Feisol 3442 legs you need the FEISOL LB-7567 (and not the LB-7572). The 7572 should be for the 3372 and 3472 "Elite" legs. Sorry ^^. I hope you didn´t order it already in the meantime. I corrected it already in my earlier answer. Yes. The Feisol legs are great weight wise. To be precise I don´t know of ANY other tripod legs which are more lightweight (at least the 3342 and 3442 ones). About more lightweight kits: I like to use my smaller Manfrotto 128RC kit (with the 290 Xtra aluminium legs) for smaller jobs. Its quite lightweight (and really handy because of the mid level column). And you can also use it for pictures / shooting stills (you can even remove the handle and set the head by hand for taking stills ^^). Though: Thats really only for lower payloads. BMPCC4K + Accessories is too much for that setup I guess. Btw.: That reminds me - I still need to make a general video tripod and entry level heads video (its still on my list) with general infos about video kits. And with ALL the stuff and information which is relevant. That video would run about an hour or so I guess *pfft* - But would clear up every misconception out there kind of ^^. Hopefully there´s time for that soon. About the drag (in general) - The point is: The Benros (BV4 and BV6 for example) you can also use more often on the lower drag steps (1 and 2 of the total 3). You don´t need to use the step 3 all the time - Which is quite strong. On the other hand / in comparison: With the ACE L I normally always use the step 3 as a standard (just sometimes step 1 or 2) - As the drag is lower (the step 3 is therefor way more often "needed"). I think you COULD also go for the BV4 or BV6. Just use a weight to raise the stability of your tripod (for example your backpack attached to the tripod in a way for example). The huge pro of more drag at higher steps is: You HAVE at least the option to switch to the higher drag settings for longer focal lengths. The ACE L is kind of maxed out already by the all time step 3 usage ^^. Is it bad therefor? Nope. Its also a good head. I just like my BV4 better for longer focal lengths ^^. But yes. I guess for yourself its better to search for a used Sachtler - ACE L, FSB6, FSB8, DV6SB, DV8SB etc. - Those are great (kind of industry standard) and its easy to get support, repairs and replacement parts. Benro heads are more for hobby shooters (OR they are also interesting as secondary heads / secondary kits for professionals - As studio tripod kits for example which are always standing at a fixed place with less risk of damages / broken parts). The problem with Benro is: Normaly you need to send them back to china for a service / repair (and I am not sure how long that would take - At least 6 to 8 weeks I guess due to the long shipping times). Replacement parts also take forever. Some time ago I waited over two months to get a new handle for a Benro H10 because the old one had broken knobs (fun fact: The knobs also weren´t available seperately sadly). It was an order over the official replacement parts importer here in Europe. But it took forever anyways (as they only order parts if they have enough open requests I guess) ... About SCG (Smooth Camera Gear): They look interesting yes. But it could be like with the E-IMAGE heads. I had also the GH06 for example and it was quite rugged (full metal - What I LOVED about it - Way better than the ACE L / ACE M / ACE XL and expecially way better than the Benro BV4 and BV6 heads). But: The drag was not as it should be. Normaly you need more resistance at the start of your movement and then its a little less while moving and then its getting more again when you stop the movement. That way you normaly get smooth movements with fluid heads. But with the GH06 it was more like a constant (not changing) drag. On a good / high quality level (don´t get me wrong) - But not really nice in field. I ruined some starts and stops with that head (and sold it off because of that behaviour). Mabye they changed the drag system though in the meantime - Who knows ^^. Long story short: I would go with more well known brands for now. At least there you know already what you can expect (kind of ^^). LG

Thx for your kind words ^^. Yes. Benro is filling at least the gaps inbetween the super cheap and the more expensive options. Altough there are always ways to improve. I hope that they at least chage the coating of their QR plates in the future - Still a mess there (altough if you know it, the 15 or 20 bucks for a replacement plate are not a "deal braker" at all). Btw.: I would LOVE to see the BENRO heads with the quality and rugedness of the Manfrotto ones - But if they are then more expensive (like 100 to 200 bucks more or so for the BV4 or BV6 for example), then they are no bargain anymore at all, as there are already other options then (Sachtler ACE L, Cartoni HiDv / SmartPro or even used more profesionnal heads like the Vinten Vision Blue3 or Blue5 or a used Sachtler FSB6, FSB8 or DV6SB and so on). At least the features of the BV heads are really nice yes. Actually I am really missing the higher drag of the BV4 with the ACE L ...

AustrianGeek its been months since i shoot something with the benro but ya i recall that i love the steps for counter balance and the drag its nice to have all those options while shooting . as for the legs they are crap just nasty ( watch my review on my channel its basic but it shows how bad they are) i even replaced them with my velbon dv-7000 legs that's how bad they are ... i use my BV6 as a flat base head now and its kinda killing me to adjust the tilt on it on shoot .... plus i like the fast action / med spreader on my velbon legs while shooting i usually have anywhere between 10 to 30 mins to finish my shoot so i need all the speed that i can get and those help a lot .

Hmm. Maybe it´s an option to change your tripod in the future (to get the most out of your BV6 head) - As mentioned in the video a stiff tripod is helping ALOT to get the most out of the BV heads. The GC752 from E-IMAGE is REALLY nice I have to say (and it´s coming with a speedlock-like system which are quite unique on the market - A dream to re-adjust the legs!). Btw.: I also plan to try out the smaller and cheaper Feisol 3342 kit with the 75mm half bowl mount (as it´s SUPER lightweight - If not the most lightweight leg kit on the market with a 75mm half bowl option). Actually I only know the heavy duty 3372 version (which I mentioned in the video) - But maybe also the smaller model is enough (and it would be still noticeably cheaper than Gitzo, Sirui and so on). According fast action: Hmm. To use the BV heads on a flat base is for sure quite challenging ^^ (at least according the higher drag on step 2 and 3). But at least there´s the step 1. Too bad, that the step 2 isn´t a little bit "lighter" dampened - Then the BV6 would be my new main head (even over the ACE L) ... Btw.: According speed while shooting: Really check out the GC752 - Very fast to setup (and it´s built like a rock) ^^.

AustrianGeek the feisol looks like a nice option but i kinda realised that i can't live without a telescoping mid column tripod (for rake jib shots :P) plus i like the easy way to lock the legs from the column itself it gives me a gr8 deal of flexibility where sometimes i don't have enough space to spread the legs and i dont have the time to mess around the bigger tripods legs like the GC752 type where u need to adjust the spreaders on each end and so on . but i kinda like how the carbonfiber feel its super light i even modified my VGR8265 (bought it for 10$ from a flea market :P ) with 577 plate and i love it BUT again not very practical for me as it doesn't have what i need from a tripod . but for now and for the payment i receive i feel good with the DV-7000 legs they do the job just fine ^^

Ah. Ok. Mid level column tripods are a different story. But keep the GC752 (and the Feisol 3342 / 3372) in mind if you plan to upgrade in the future. But hey - If it´s working out fine for you - Why should you change. ^^

Yes. The BV4 and BV6 are out of plastic (the BV8 and BV10 out of metal). The heads are flexing a little bit. But it´s still in the "usable" range. (Just don´t expect, that they survive an everyday TV station treatment ^^.)

+AustrianGeek wow, that is surprising. what avout the s7 head?

thanks for the reply by the way!

I think they use metal or magnesium or so on the S7 (also the S6 and the other S models). The BV4 and BV6 heads seem to be kind of a full new design - So also with new materials. (But also the ACE L is for example out of plastic. Just a stiffer / sturdier one ^^.)

Hello there. Well - The standard Benro S series heads are quite old already. The new "pro" models I don´t know in person. But in general, those heads are drag based (with no fluid cartridge inside them). They just press plates against each other and depending on the force applied, you get more or less dampening. Thx for the 502 removal link - Thats also an option for lighter payloads - Sure. But the 502 is also a drag based head only - And instead of the 502 (without spring) you could also go for a used 128RC or so (with similar performance / payload capacity then). Removing the spring of an 502 only makes sense, if you get it dirt cheap or if you have it alraedy and you want to continue to use it with smaller payloads ^^. For scopes on the other hand I would check out heads with real fluid cartridges inside (even if its only a cheaper model). Beside the WAY better drag system of real fluid heads: Most cheaper drag based heads only offer a fixed spring - Or way too big stepped counterbalance systems (like its the case with the Benro S8 for example). The problem is, that with a higher drag (real fluid cartridge) head, the drag would compensate a little bit of the too high or too low counterbalance force. But with the cheaper (drag based) ones, the drag systems are just too weak to do that. So another point against cheaper drag based heads (for scoping but also in general) ^^. About the BV4 and BV6: I had now in total four of them (three BV4 and one BV6 - One BV4 and the single BV6 I used for some months and resold them with some legs to colleagues. One BV4 of my review I sent back as it was the wrong model. And one BV4 is STILL in use by me as a super lightweight setup). The huge plus with them: You get them dirt cheap, you get really good drag cartridges and they are really lightweight. Cons: Built quality is not the best, and only with the newer variants you get a good / way better coated quick release plate. But as 501PL, 501PLONG, 504PL plates are fitting, you can also exchange it in case its coming with an older model (with matte / rough coating). They are flexing a little bit (as they are out of plastic - For whatever reason they didn´t release the BV4 and BV6 models as metal variants like the S6, S8, BV8, BV10 etc.) - And the counterbalance control knob if wiggling a little bit and you need to set it exactly to the step you need - But for the offered drag and counterbalance performance there is nothing cheaper on the market (with such a good / high drag on both axis). And I can tell you that, as I have / had kind of EVERY fluid head under 1000 bucks in my hands til now (still have many lying around for a big shootout ^^). Btw.: Maybe order a head somewhere, where you can either try out the head locally before buying. OR where you can send it back if its not fitting your needs. Or buy a used kit and resell it again (all my BV heads / kits except the one BV4 of my review video I bought in used kits at a nice discount vs. new). Then you can try out if its enough for your needs (and keeping up with the payload in every position). And YES - You need a counterbalance spring system so the scope is keeping in place (vertically / tilting wise). If you want to be on the safe side, then go for the BV6 with two additional spring steps (everything else is the same with the BV4). The quality btw. differentiates inbetween the series and head models. The S series are (funnily) out of metal / metal-ish materials. The BV4 and BV6 are out of plastic. The BV8 and BV10 again out of metal. The BV4 and BV6 are therefor lower in quality / haptics wise worse. But in the end the drag performance and the features (counterbalance wise for example) is the important stuff. Not how they look like or how they "feel" in your hand ^^. The tripods you should find quite easily btw. At least the Manfrotto 535 (or the cheaper MVT535AQ aluminium version) you should be able to find used here and there (the Sachtler TT = the Manfrotto 535 if you can find it cheap somewhere). The E-Image GC752 and GA752 tripods are often part of tripod kits and you can sell off the head of a used kit to just keep the legs - The GA752 being the aluminium version (which is also great btw.). But the Manfrottos are easier to find I guess (used). Gitzo is too expensive sadly (and Feisol is too hard to find in general - Especially used). Miller SOLO legs are also really nice but harder to set up / they take longer to set up due to the screw locking legs - But they are SUPER sturdy (in the carbon fibre version which I have lying here). The Manfrotto 645 legs are also quite sturdy and come with quick locks like the GC752 / GA752 from E-Image. But they are too new to find cheaper - There is also a cheaper aluminium version btw. Cartoni RedLock with 75mm half bowl is also ok. There are also some older legs from Cartoni / Sachtler which are quite nice (Cartoni 1 stage / 2 section) or the Sachtler CF75 SpeedLock variant. Both are nice but the Cartoni is quite loud reg the locks if you re-close them and the CF75 is of a great quality and super popular + super fast to setup (but not as rugged as I would wish for - The E-Image are more stable funnily ^^). Well - There is no "holy grail" in general regarding tripod kits. And (sadly) you have to invest most of the time more than planned to get good performance. BUT: Its like a good monitor on your desk - It could survive multiple computers and a good tripod kit could survive multiple cameras / scopes / decades in general. So its a good point to invest in. For whatever application you´re using it. ^^ LG

@@AustrianGeek , Hello AustrianGeek, Thank you so much for such a detailed answer, your professional reviews and comments helped me a lot!

Well. Normaly it´s priced higher - so it sold like hot cakes for sure. I also paid more for mine as far as I remember - 25 bucks or so. I added now a 2nd link in the description (and at the end of this message). But from this source it´s more expensive. ALTOUGH: I think you can also survive the additional costs if you just need one plate - At least it´s still WAY cheaper than the original Manfrotto plates ^^. www.ebay.com/itm/Gemtune-501PLONG-Camera-Quick-Release-Plate-1-4-inch-Mounting-Screw-for-Video-/252459818103?hash=item3ac7c71c77:g:xWwAAOSwRgJXhirj

Yeah the other one was 14 and this one is 37 .. I guess I should have ordered the day I saw your post. I just checked ebay and there are "Manfrotto" P longs for 34.. So an after market for more than a Manfrotto makes no sense for me.