I love this set of videos that you two are doing. The fact that you keep showing people the older gear can still get the job done is awesome. I shoot on older gear and have bought it all used. My images are just as good as the people who have the newer better gear. Thank you for doing this series but I still think that you could go down to the 200 dollar mark for those who are on a real tight budget. I hope you do that video lol
Completely agree! 200 dollars starts to make it more difficult to get an all around camera for most conditions, but I think there are great cameras in that range. I don't know the Canon side as well, but suspect they have great options as well, but in the Nikon world, the D200 can be had for less than 100 (great but tough for low light conditions), and the D300 is usually under 150 or 125 even). D7000 may be best option for
@@alanhoughton6166 agreed and on the Canon side they could get a used 60d or even the OG 5D for around the same price point both are not the best in low light but they will get the job done
Video suggestion: Because we are now in a world where many people don't have a computer, it would be fun to see a video on a workflow to take photos from your camera to your phone, including the culling and editing options you like. Thank you for the work you do!
I recently picked up a Canon M200 for under $300 which is like a hybrid of those two options. It's a compact mirrorless with interchangeable lenses. You can keep it compact by using EF-M lenses or get an adapter for about $30 and use Canon EF lenses or whatever DSLR lens mount you want. My main camera is a Canon 80D and I use the M200 for when I feel like traveling light or I can throw on an EF lens from my 80D on it if I wanted to.
Get a used Canon 50mm f1.8 stm for the 70d for great background blur in portraits. It’s less than $100. The Af is more accurate for stills and also smoother for video than the older non stm model.
Thanks for doing a budget review! I would recommend doing a lot of homework first before picking up any compact camera. Chelsea did a great job picking her compact camera, but she really knows cameras! Tony knows his full-sized cameras well so there's a reason why he chose the 70D. I think a few of the more important features would be choosing a camera with a manual mode available, and a built-in flash for indoor shots. Even if you have a compact camera that goes down to f/2.8 or f/1.8, you still might need a flash for those moments when you can't get close. It will help especially indoors. I have a little Nikon P50 I love taking with me!
This is a great video idea! I think people (ie hobbyists like me 😅) get too caught up on the latest and greatest cameras, when an older camera can do 95% of what we need. I wonder if y'all would redo your D810 vs pentax video, but a newer more expensive camera vs a cheaper one, but with post-production workarounds like image averaging, bracketing and even the new AI denoise features that are available now with LR and PS. Love your work!
I watch your videos more than once always!!!!! 😂 I tend to drift away from the subject of video and somehow end up enjoying Tony and Chelsea’s ever entertaining banter!! I wish you two stay the same and your relationship grown stronger together!
Keep in mind the RX100 cameras are not dust resistant, thus if placed in a pocket an the camera is not dusted off, especially around the lens area, then when the next time it extends the lens, it will suck dust into lens housing and you will see dust on the inner lens elements.
The biggest mistake is thinking that better gear always leads to better pictures. That might be so in some cases (fast action for instance) but often the skill of the photographer is more important.
This is a lost art and people love advancement and newer tech sadly, I’ll be getting a 5dmarkiii soon and I know I’ll be completely satisfied with it for all my needs, I see a lot of “pros” using what they see other people use and it’s so apparent like with the 5dmark4, it’s ridiculous and they never use it to its full capacity and limits
I love this video. Up until March this year (2023) my main camera was a Canon 70d (now have a Canon R7) with various lenses (ranging from 10mm to 500mm (with crop factor = 800mm). However I also have a Canon compact SX700. I am not a professional photographer btw. I use both of my cameras and have the same views as you two. The compact is the take anywhere on a belt pouch but restricted in range but extremely portable vs the 70d with a suitable lens that is more versatile / transformable as long as you have the right lens fitted / available. I will usually take both with me. If on holiday dependign on the excursion depends on which of these 2 cameras I take, sometimes both. Great video btw.
The Canon 60D & 70D are the ones I suggest for my students for this exact reason. Plus, Tony didn’t mention, they are more hearty, so they can be beat up and still perform.
I bought my classic fantastic 70D with the Canon 18-200 mm over 10 years ago and this set up never let me down...after all these years it is my go to set up for events and weddings...The 70D certainly was a game changer...
I literally learnt photography on an Olympus Stylus 1S. It is a very compact camera (almost as compact as Chelsea's R100) that has a 24 to 300mm constant F2.8 lens and 11 FPS on a 1/1.7 inch sensor. I can only recommend to try it if you're on that $300 budget ! :)
I had never heard of this camera. Your comment sounded too good to be true. 24-300 constant f2.8 on a 1", and remaining compact. It does happen to be a 1/1.7 sensor which, as the name suggests, is a 1.7 times crop of a 1". But nonetheless, that's still a pretty good little kit. Thanks for bringing the little guy to my attention.
Love the "competition" 😅. Could you do expensive camera + cheap lense and inexpensive camera + expensive lense? Eg. A6700+3rd party lense and A6000+Gmaster lense 😁
My first DSLR venture was Canon, and I've enjoyed that ecosystem as an amateur. However, several years back I noticed that I was leaving the camera home more often because of it's bulk, and started looking for a compact that wouldn't leave me frustrated with a lack of controls or features. I ended up with an RX100 IV for the focal length, aperture, and ability to control most of the modes that I was accustomed to on a DSLR. I've not been disappointed since.
Bought my rx100 iii new, and I still use it on a regular basis. Also. the screen flips up to selfie-mode with a 3 second delay. And, it also has eye detect (although it's not great!). Still a good little camera.
Great video. As a grandparent of 10 I have done this for years. Started with canon 40d’s, 7d , Nikon coolpix. Nothing better than a string of grans on a forest trail strung out all snapping away!
You can go cheaper, I picked up an Rx100 mk1 from a UK used camera dealer for £57 with 6 month warranty. No viewfinder, unlike mk3, but most of the other features. Well used fully working. One advantage of it being well used is I don't worry about it living in my jacket pocket. Not too sure if I would feel the same if I had the £1,000 Mk Vii. I very much doubt that the MkVii photos are 20x better than the Mk1.
The Canon m50 or the R50 is a lot of good canon magic for less than $1000. What is nice about canon: many of their high priced body's often have the same sensors as the lower priced models: they differentiate on software features, processors, and creature comforts: but buying on the low end of canon you'll still get a damn good sensor.
I started with a Canon G10. Upgraded to a Rebel XTi, then a 70D, and finally an EOS R. My favorite go to camera for travel is back to the G10. No need for those long focal lengths or great low light capabilities for casual use.
I took my old 70d out in the spring to photo crocuses coupled with a 17-85mm efs lens (which still works!) and a 70-200 L IS mk1 and was really impressed with the results. I have a 1dx mk2 and an R6 and even with pixel peeping I would be hard pressed to know which camera I had used. I was also surprised to find just how similar the 70d was to the R6 for flip out touch screen, behaviour and icons considering the age difference.
Yeah honestly cameras haven't been advancing very quickly in the last decade. I was really surprised that the 70D still seemed absolutely fine. You'd see a difference if you're pushing your camera hard for sports or wildlife but otherwise, buy an old camera and put your budget towards glass I think.
I have owned a few of the 17-85's, nice fast lens for its time with nice image quality (once you sort out the extreme distortion), notorious for failures in the ribbon cable though which is a shame....
@@TonyAndChelsea I fully agree that for "normal" photography, good lens usually makes a lot more difference than better body. But there are some areas where there has been a lot of progress; from my recent experience with an upgrade from 7D to R6 Mark II, I would point out: (1) low light performance (noise and autofocus reliability), (2) video (image quality and user experience) and (3) mirrorless autofocus enhancements in last few years.
My first camera I was using more seriously was a RX100 mark I and I still keep the mark III around for some occasional use. I agree that it would make an excellent entry level option. I'm a bit sad that Sony seems to have abandoned the line. :(
@@kasiosag I don't know anything about that. Just that they released some VLOG style camera in an RX100-ish body. So one could argue it's maybe not completely abandoned. But afaik it's a bit worse for photography.
The mark VII is a nice camera. I'm glad they brought out the point about the batteries. I find 3 batteries lasts me a day. The batteries are cheap and small, so it's not a big deal. So long as you know to get them. I'd add that it's small and slippery: worth getting a case. And that the settings are comprehensive and COMPLEX. I lost a lot of shots in the Cairo Museum because in the heart of the moment, I couldn't find the face recognition toggle to let me focus on artefacts rather than tourists.
You are right on. The best value is most certainly in old used gear! With the savings, you can even buy a second set of gear for your partner and enjoy taking photo walks together. I personally own a used Canon 70D with a used Sigma 150-600 C, one the best bargain for wildlife/bird photography. It cost me less than 850$ CAD for the whole kit! And my girlfriend now has my previous used 450D with Canon 55-250mm!
My first camera was a D3100. It came with 3 lenses, a bag, extra batteries and a charger. It was $170! When you get started, buy something that fits the basics of your needs and upgrade once you find your niche. Sold The camera and the kit lens for $200 later and upgraded to a D7200 (also used, for $400).
IDK I just picked up a m4/3 camear (that's about 10 years old and only 12 MP) for $70, and added their 12-32 kit zoom lens for another $100, so I could probably still buy their 45-150 lens used and stay under the $300 limit and have a full range of focal ranges for travel (of course 12-32mm is not all that wide on m4/3, as it's 24-64 equivalent). But I think between the two you guys have, I think size is important especially for travel, because you don't want to stick out like a tourist sometimes, and you want to have the camera with you most, if not, all the time, and the smaller, the better, even if the IQ isn't nearly as good as a bigger DSLR or ML camera, because if you don't have the camera, then the image quality doesn't matter because you won't be taking any photos without the camera. Now outside of the range here, if you could go another $100, you could pick up a basic Canon Rebel T7 DSLR with kit lens, and it would be new and have newer-ish technology (i think the T7 does use an older sensor, but probably still better than some of the others in a similar price range that might be 10+ years old).
Appreciate the video. When I'm driving to places when hiking, I like to take quick snapshots (with a snap and shoot) from the car and am looking to replace my current camera.
Just a FYI the coupon code is void. Not sure if KEH puts a expiration date on it. But wanted to let you know since it helps your business and KEH to continue to be able to work together
I never thought of using older digital gear until recently. After Hurricane Ida wiped us out i sold me gear in hopes of upgrading to mirrorless but never happened. I had a friend who passed away with cancer and his family gave me his Nikon d7500 and various lenses including the 200-500mm. So after 25 years of Canon I'm now shooting Nikon by budget necessity.
Love everything about this content. Two different applications. I am long overdue for an upgrade from my Canon t1i starter DSLR. Very enthusiastic about the 70D. Some money left over for glass. Bravo this show!
The best camera is the one you take with you. Chelsea wins when it is for everyday use. Tony's 70D is for more serious photos, but is very bulky. Personally a M series camera model from Canon, or an M43 camera is a nice balance of small camera and small lenses and good quality.
I have a Canon G7x for a few years, which I use when cycling. Eventually I will drop it, so bought an RX100 mk3 as a backup.Very similar cameras but for MY usage I found a major difference. I take photos while pedaling in groups (provides a unique perspective) and the G7x has a few more knobby things sticking out, making it easier to hold and manipulate while riding. For most people the Sony may have the edge, as it has a pop up viewfinder. The battery comparison isn't quite fair, as Tony's D70 is both larger and a DSLR sips batteries compared to mirrorless. When I had my 50D, I could often run on a single battery all day.
"okay do you need tweezers" kills it lol. Great video and my brother owned a 70D since it was launch and is still using it today, wonderful camera indeed.
I still regret selling my Canon 40D. It was a great camera and I took some lovely shots with. I used it for years with no issues. Compare that to my Olympus that quickly developed a fault that is obviously a manufacturing issue, but Olympus totally ignored my letters to them as I was just out of warranty.
Great review. I got my 7D mk2 for only $247 and bought a 17-85 separately, but that to was great deal at only $95, so I'm well chuffed with that to! I like Chelsea's choice as well because I have heard of pro photographers keeping a prosumer compact camera in their pocket at all times for any eventually. For example, a Canon G10 for not missing a photojournalism opportunity! All the best to both of you. What a great channel!
I just used my first discount code from a RU-vidr! I got my 7 year old a Nikon d3200 from keh since we’ve got a bunch of Nikon lenses already. Thanks for the keh referral. And Chelsea wins btw. My rx100-v is still a stud even up against my large mirrorless. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and passion!
Great choice of used cameras and fab video. It's also a handy vid for ideas for a cheap 2nd or back up camera. TBH when I pack my bag for travelling I usually take a compact camera like the ZV-1 or my cheap Sony HX80 with an APS-C or MFT camera. Compacts don't take up much space in the bag. I've found compacts much more instantaneous at capturing the moment and by the time I get out a DSLR/Mirrorless the moment has often gone. If I have plenty of time to frame a shot I'll reach for the interchangeable with its greater options and control over images There's always room for fun and serious photography on your travels. I always use a small camera bag for compacts, generally my pockets contain all sorts of nasties harmful to compacts like dirt, dusty old tissues shedding fibres, keys, screws, coins etc) so I ignore the 'pocketable' sales pitch. I think the budget range of videos you've been bringing out will give your channel even greater depth and appeal. Many thanks for considering all budgets T&C.
Great review and can see why both choices make sense :) I likely wouldn't have thought of something like the Sony RX100 III, but can see the appeal. As I'm more in the Nikon world, I'd recommend looking for a D700 - just a great camera, full frame, and access to the 1000's of Nikkor lenses as well (since and including AI days), but that's a great Canon camera, even today And if you want to go cheaper the Nikon D200 is still a great camera in good light that can be found for 100 or less pretty regularly. It struggles in poor light, but other than that is an almost pro built camera and handles great and produces just outstanding colors with little fuss, D300 is a bit more, but worth a few extra dollars if trying to do a cheap bird/wildlife camera
I would like to see how old EF and EF-S lenses perform on the R7 when they are used with an adapter, in particular, the ef-s 10-18 and 18-135, which are commonly used with the dlsr's. Thanks for the video!
They should work fine, I believe. I was using a Canon 50mm f/1.8 (a 15 year old pre-STM one) on R6 Mark II for a month or so and it worked like charm. (OK, that was before I tried a USM lens, of course.) As a bonus, I didn't have to worry about tuning front- or backfocus which was always a pain on a DSLR. I even tried Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 and apart from turning the fullframe camera into a 10Mp APS-C, it worked fine as well.
They will work exactly the same as they did on the dSLR. I haven't used the R7 but I know that they work as I have used dSLR lenses on my previous RP and they worked 100% the same as they did on the dSLR, I have also used them on my M5 and again they work perfectly, it's not like using Canon lenses on a Sony etc where the focus can be slow or unreliable....
@@Berry_N Christopher Frost has some videos where he is retesting EFs lenses on the R7 with image samples, worth a look. Realistically Canon dSLR lenses work at least as good on a mirrorless with the chance of better usage due to the eye-AF etc...
Chelsea will always be able to have her camera with her. Tony is not going to carry the lens/body camera on walks, outings, where ever trips. It's a specialty camera for specific ideas and purposes. The problem with Chelsea's camera is that over the past ten years, when her camera was the one carry at all times, cell phone cameras have equaled or surpassed that as a quality convenient camera for those "surprise picture" moments. Chelsea's camera is still good, just not as necessary or important to have because of the rise and quality of cell phone cameras that are always available. Tony's camera is better for students and ama-pros, starting out on a limited budget as a learning and growth camera but no one carries around a lens/body unless it's for a good reason so he will miss a lot of shots that Chelsea would be able to capture. Most people will think both are unnecessary, a waste of time and money. Camera curious people not interested in a photographer lifestyle will like all of the functions, tools and abilities of Chelsea's pocket rocket. Students and ama-pros of photography will like the price and growth/fun potential of Tony's lens/body unit.
Hello i watched you video and i need to make a questin what camera you suggest for social media for hotel and restorant photo video in 600 dollar range 🙂🙂🎉
Bought my fi Panasonic g100 with excellent 12-32mm zoom for less than $500 a couple of months ago at B&H. Anything less than this level of camera and I would just put the money towards a better smartphone, was my thought at the time. Very compact, solid, and a very good sensor. Used, there are other options...
I use a m100 and 22mm, a compromise between their two options. Downside is the selection of lenses. Used with the lens, still cheap, but it might be over $300.
It's great that you're talking about cheaper camera gear. Thank you. But people who can only afford $300 cameras are unlikely to have a Lightroom or Capture One subscription. Any chance you guys could do some video tutorials showing how to use free or cheap software? I've tried to get consistent good results from the likes of Darktable and Rawtherapee but failed.
I owned and really loved using the Canon 70d until I upgraded to the Canon 90d. Used older gear has its place and 20MP is more than enough for most purposes anyway
Among the two choices offered, I’d go with Tony’s $300 used Canon here because of the value, but lets acknowledge his camera is bigger and he’s not going to want to (or be able to) lug it everywhere with him. Chelsea has portability and no fuss but a brand new modern smart phone, (i.e. Pixel 6a) will do what the now 7 yr old used Sony RX100 M3 can except it’ll give you 4K video with rock solid video stabilization, much better battery, more post processing & tweeking ability in the camera, and you don’t have to have a separate device. You can also talk to it or hold your hand up when you want it to snap a selfie of yourself! You don’t get as much control over aperture, shutter speed, exposure, but will still get impressive results in a lot of shooting conditions. So I would, (and did), use the $300 on a smartphone. Some will argue for the dedicated camera’s form factor but the analogy I like to use is we are not talking about the paint brushes Michelangelo used, but we are still talking about his results! I bought a Pixel 6a for $300 in April and it all but makes my Sony, ZV-1, ($650), point and shoot redundant. The exception is the ZV-1 gives spectacular 4K quality and returns more usable photo results in indoor low lighting environments. If Chelsea would have found a super zoom point and shoot, that shoots 4K, has a good macro lens (for shooting flowers close up:), and does ok photo and video indoors I would go with her. The one I am thinking about is the 2018, Sony, HX-99. Pocketable, point and shoot, super zooms still have technological novelty that keeps them relevant to an audience and makes them still put up with things like poor battery. You’d have to spend a fortune on an interchangeable lens that would give any type of zoom, i.e something reaching in the 300mm-720mm range, so Tony’s interchangeable lens category of cameras wouldn’t be able to compete on price to give the functionality. Also, there are only a handful of expensive smartphones that can approach the zoom.
This is totally unrelated. But, last year @ Christmas time you mentioned a true noise cancelation headset. I have been searching for a pair with no luck. Would you please post the name of the headset you mentioned? Thank You So Much😊
I have them both and you both make great points but Chelsea wins always, your not a photographer if you do not have a camera with you RIGHT. SONYS R100S ARE FANTASTIC. let me know, vic
Chelsea at :24.........doing the Tony bob....not the first time either......keep it up C! 😂 Funny this video came out now, as I just received my 70D and 55-250 STM lense. Tony`s comment how it's like 2 different cameras. ( OVF vs Live View) is spot on. Just a learning curve..... Got them for 330 plus tax . It has a scratch...no big deal. (Bargain grade)
My son is 15 and getting into photography and videography. What’s is a good budget camera for both photography and video up to 4k with a built in flip out touch screen monitor. I’d like some help could advance in for interchangeable lenses as he progresses. Also that is compact.
The two cameras that I used most is Sony rx100iv when traveling and sometimes used my Leica Delux 4. For my large camera Sony 6300 but rarely used it. Haven’t travelled for a long time. Have a variety of cameras of other cameras. Easier to take pictures in public places with these types of cameras.
Great content guys! I'm just going to share my opinion. I own a Z6, a Z50, and a Sony RX100V. I purchased the Sony because I wanted a cameral that I could easily take with my anywhere and ultimately have more frequent photo opportunities. However, after spending some time with it I really don't like it. It is very awkward to hold in the hand, and adjusting some settings on the fly like ISO is not easy- you have to go into the menu instead of having a control on the body of the camera. Not to mention that you will get better image quality with the larger sensor cameras. The Sony is a decent travel camera, but if you have aspirations to be even a semi-serious photographer then I'm afraid that you may be disappointed with the RX100 as a choice. You will bet better results with a DLSR such as the 70D, APS-C such as Z50 or M50, or even some of the M43 options out there (that I'm not all that familiar with).
I love both of you and you have me thinking. I have an Olympus E-M10 Mark IV and about 6 used Pens of various ages. I am now getting into portrait photograpphy, so I would like to go full frame for the portraits that I take. I can't afford a new mirrorless option, but I can afford a DSLR. Thanks for doing this video, I have decided to go with a DSLR purchase. Now, should I go Canon (say the 5D...) or Nikon/ What do you reccomend?
Hi Chelsea, I can not begin to tell you how much i appreciate you and your direct option, you are great, Tony is good, i like him too but not like you. Both of you are great to hear back from you wold be such and honor, I think you you guys are great,, sony r100 are great the vz1 wow. vic
I'd like to see a comparison between reasonable cell phone and the cameras, ie within the last couple generations, mid price not the flagship Apple/Samsung. At what point is a camera better than the phone? What photo tasks etc. Thanks,
I´d love to see an Sony RX 100 comparison the original, mark 1 to 7. Pluss the new more video focused cameras in basically the same camera body, the ZV-1 mark 1 and 2. Do they use the same battery, are they a good option for a youtube multicam setup?
I recommend spending some extra bucks on the optional rubber grip wich makes holding the camera much better. To this day I don't get why these cameras don't come with it from the factory
@Sama3L That would be prudent. My 8 year old son tends to drop stuff like broken things is going out of style, or coming in. I still have my old M50 with the rubber body sleeve, same as my R7. I could let them (I have a 10 year old daughter too whose displayed a knack for shooting camera phone pics) use that, but I think a simpler P&S would be a better starting point.
Good video but due to the current inflation, the rx100 mk 3 is no longer $300. Canon 70D is great that ot can grow with you but many beginners aren't going to want to lug around a camera with a big bulky body.
Hi :) Great video! Are you guys using the new Adobe Podcast for your audio processing? It sounds almost like you do, its a bit weird here and there, almost artificial, especially in Tony's voice. I don't have a solution, but just look for bad processing.(2:45)
Wow, good ear! This is the first and only time I used it. I forgot our dead cats and there was a lot of wind noise. I tried FCP Voice Isolation, CrumplePop Wind AI, and Adobe Podcast and the Adobe solution sounded best. Trust me, it's WAY better than it was before the processing - it saved us a reshoot.
I wonder if a modern phone shooting in raw would produce better results than the Sony compact.... perhaps not giving out of focus backgrounds, but in other respects, perhaps.
I got one for Tony I had the 800D or T7I , well I was trying to order the T8I but they sent me the 80D which seemed more professional. Question did I up grade or down grade?
I'm sorry but I'm new to photography and looking for a camera does the little Sony shoot stills as well I'm sure you know what I meant but I'm wanting a camera that also uses film
