Best 1000cc 2020 adventure motorcycle - which one is for you?

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Honda’s Africa Twin Adventure Sports, Triumph’s Tiger 900 Rally Pro and Suzuki V-Strom 1050 XT are all new for 2020: BikeSocial’s Michael Mann, Luke Brackenbury and Simon Hargreaves ride them back-to-back, off-road and on, to find out which is best.
Then we sit down and work out how every model in the class fits together, and which one is the right bike for you.
WARNING: this is a long video! To make it easier to digest, here are the relevant points in the video (and remember, you can turn it off and come back to it later!).
Please ask questions in the comments below and we’ll do our best to answer them.
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▬ Contents ▬
00:00 Intro
02:55 Prices
02:16 What is a mid-class adventure bike?
03:22 Why are there so many?
04:11 What’s the off-road/on-road balance?
5:43 General riding shots
2020 Africa Twin, Tiger 900 & V-Strom 1050 verdict
07:20 Tank range
08:08 Engine performance & character
13:59 Prices and spec
16:50 Dashes and switchgear
20:45 Comfort and riding position
22:07 Screens
24:14 Handling
27:32 Looks and feel
29:32 Which one would we ride to Scotland?
32:24 The 2020 winner:
The BikeSocial Whiteboard Of What Goes Where
33:43 Intro
34:56 Triumph Tiger Rally & Rally Pro
36:00 Honda Africa Twin & Adventure Sports
37:00 Suzuki V-Strom 1050 XT
37:46 Yamaha Ténéré 700
38:19 Ducati Multistrada 950 S
39:15 Moto Guzzi V85TT
40:51 KTM 790 Adventure & Adventure R
42:39 BMW F850 GS series
48:26 Luke’s lifestyle catches up with him
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Honda Africa Twin
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Suzuki V-Strom 1050 XT
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Yamaha Ténéré 700
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Ducati Multistrada 950 S
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KTM 790 Adventure
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BMW F850 GS
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@eggbanjo7425 3 года назад

VStrom for me all day - solid, reliable, comfortable, eats the miles effortlessly, a decent amount of useable and useful tech to support it. in tech terms for when i tour - cruise control, ability to plug shit in, a decent tank range, punchy engine and some panniers I'm in. i am paying less for a proven bike in my opinion, my opinion, and a lot less. imagine if you could throw some tech shite that the Honda has on it you would still be paying less. I think people want the touring bike without compromise to quality and paying a shed full of money to get it, and no i wouldn't buy a £20k GS...Ever

@judge4342 Год назад

100% I agree mate. I gust buy I vstrom 1050xt and its amazing .has everything you need for 15k all the others brands are over 17k for xt's electronics. Also affordable service. When ducati is 1500k for big service... I need cornering abs cruise control not tft and electronics suspension...

@brimurphy8890 Год назад

Yep we arent swayed by a fancy screen . And why compare the vstrom to much more expensive bikes . An exhaust and a remap would benefit the suzuki if needed

@adamg7270 2 года назад

Vstrom all the way. Bomb-proof engine, reliable, and at a reasonable cost.

@robbikebob 3 года назад

As others have said, I remember middleweights being 550s, big bikes being 750s and super massive monsters being 1000! All these are too tall and heavy for my short, stumpy legs and I never go off road. If I did go off road, I'd want 500cc max. And if I was touring with pillion and luggage, I'd want a bike I could get both feet down on, pick off the floor easily and be able to manhandle about without the risk of a hernia!

@jaywhoisit4863 3 года назад

Vstrom turd. Pretty hard on the Suzuki in this review. Hmmm!! I kinda like the simplicity of it. Not fancy by any stretch; but just an honest, reliable, inexpensive and reasonably tame workhorse. I have the older version and just think it’s the most impressive bike to live with down here in Kenya. It never breaks, never complains, handles shitty roads without stress, and it was bloody cheap.

@D.E.X 3 года назад

The 2018 V-strom 1000's have a ton of torque down low, peter out after 6k rpm, are okay on road, but I'm out on OHRV trails and single tracking with guys on trail bikes with my V-Strom. Mud is the Achilles heel for these heavier bikes, but I have had to turn around more because someone else couldn't make it with the 701 or KLR or someones bike broke. Rider skill is a huge part of it. Snobbery is pretty pathetic, and, in the Adventure Bike world, shouldn't have a place. Whose bike has more horse power or is faster, or has heated seats/grips shouldn't be the focus. It should be the ride and glad you could come along.

@jaywhoisit4863 3 года назад

D e x I’m also riding my 18 Vstrom where others say you can’t take them. My riding group has an older AT, DR350, GS310, and a few 250 Honda’s. We ride everywhere and anywhere! I do take some terrain a bit slower because the forks bottom easily. But I’ve never been unable to surmount the same obstacles as the others. Right now the RD07, the GS310, and a XL250 are all down for repairs. Some quite costly. The Suzuki doesn’t cost me anything except fuel.

@szaesz8190 3 года назад

Unfortunately they were spot on the V-strom. I've testridden it in the hope it will be my next bike after my Africa Twin. It lacked both low end and high end grunt, no noise or excitement with the stock exhaust neither, it was an awfull experience.

@D.E.X 3 года назад

@@szaesz8190 Stay with the Africa Twin or go with a KTM1290. But DL1000 has 76footpounds torque at 4500rpm kinda kicks the crap out of your Africa Twin with 67 at 6000. The KTM Adventure has about 90 at 6500.BMW R1250GS Adventure is about same as the KTM. Loud is ... a personal preference that says more about the character of the rider than the abilities of the machine. An aftermarket exhaust to make the bike louder will significantly lower mileage and performance unless retuned. If you want to grunt around in really technical terrain, the KTM 790 Adventure R has the same torque curve as your Africa Twin at 100lb lighter and with the tank so low and stock at 5.3gal, with the 21" FT and 10" of clearance is a barrel of fun. I'm sure you can make it loud, too.

@szaesz8190 3 года назад

@@D.E.X It might be true for the 2018 Vstrom model mate, it definetly ain't for the 2020. It feels slow, sluggish, underpowered and only on paper beats the Africa. It's a shame really, cause I really digged the simplicity and the looks of the new V-strom. But riding head to head Vstrom after the Africa... nuh...

@cp4512 3 года назад

Really like how you present, Passionate, informative and easy going. Amazed that a 1100cc bike is mid range, but I agree that power is maybe a better indication than just cc’s now days.

@repetitivemotion 3 года назад

I ride a 2014 VStrom 1000adv. Great bike. Great engine. Great on a gravel road at 50 mph, great on an interstate at 100 mph.

@johnridesadv2512 3 года назад

Not to get too hung up on naming conventions, but are these really middle weights? To me these bikes are too heavy, and more for road riding. I see the Tenere 700 and KTM 790 Adventure bikes as middleweights. No?

@ljoelmchanley3676 3 года назад

yep

@davidhardstaff8110 3 года назад

Agree I have a 701 its a middleweight no way Id take anything heavier for serious (ish) off road anything 180kg plus is heavy, anthing over 800cc is not mid range..

@rogerzeitgeistsmith3831 3 года назад

Light heavyweight class?

@Jaffa1951 3 года назад

I don't think any of these come under the middleweight class. In my opinion any bike over 200kg wet is too heavy to be called middleweight. The Tenere 700 and the KTM 790 Adventure are nearly there at 205kg and 203kg wet respectively but, by the time your loaded up ready to go with all your luggage, even that is going to be heavy if your planning to take them off road. Well, in my case, anyway. On road only, the story would be different, but then you don't have to have any of the bikes in this review.

@adrianrodriguez209 3 года назад

Remembre the y are talking about adventure, although I do think that middle weight is 650 to 850 tops 900

@joaoayala 3 года назад

What an impressive review. Excellent information and an absolute pleasure to watch video. It makes me feel like I'm in a table with you guys talking about motorcycles. Really fantastic job.

@ler3968 3 года назад

The reviews were great along with the whiteboard presentation which is a good format to remember all the comments relative to your ratings on each bike. You reinforced my preferences for my next bike in the top-left group. Cheers

@mplus1338 3 года назад

Nice to hear all the praise for the Tiger Rally Pro. Especially because I am picking mine up from Rosner’s this Saturday. 👍😁

@theonlyredspecial 3 года назад

You guys put a lot of work into this. Very enjoyable watch. Thanks. (I’m sticking to my 1000cc superbikes cause I don’t do big miles and I want to stay young as long as possible even if I’m not really ). One thing would have been better if your editor did the b roll of the bikes earlier (or cut some of them shorter) so we could see you putting the bike images on the x and y graph without having to hunt for them.

@jitendrachandnani6967 3 года назад

Excellent comparision. Thanks for doing this video. Well done.

@davereinhart9933 3 года назад

I think you really captured it on this review. I love the chart! I am a GSA sport owner and I think you captured exactly where it is and why I love it!

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

It's bang in the middle of the class, I think. It's an exceptionally versatile machine.

@axelfiraxa 2 года назад

The vstrom handling issues were almost strictly related to the tyres. Change them and you got an excelent bike

@orhansogut5492 Год назад

What do you mean handling problem? In a few month i am thinking to buy 2022 or maybe 2023 1050xt.

@JDeezle21 Год назад

@@orhansogut5492 Grab the 23' with new updates

@rahulsorenvlogs 3 года назад

Loved the way you presented this comparison. Comprehensive and informative. I think mid-class ADVs lie in the spot where it hits the Goldilocks mark. Thanks for the video.

@travatron4000 3 года назад

When did 900+ cc 100+hp bikes become "mid-size" 125-500 = Small, 500-800 = Mid, 800-1000 = Large, 1000+ = Super/Lux touring

@ljoelmchanley3676 3 года назад

agree 100%, midrange needs to be under 475 pounds.

@JoshuaTootell 2 года назад

I guess engines are growing like waistlines.

@mattallin3553 2 года назад

I think when you hear this that people are referring to the classes within the adventure bike range...to me the light weightwould be like the ktm390-500cc Midweight 7-900 And heavyweight things like the r1200gs and things like that Not saying that's how it is just kinda the feeling I get.

@KieranTuohy 3 года назад

Thinking of getting an XT next year. Way I see it is I can kit it out with all the extras I could want including a different can and still have change compared to buying a base model of just about anything else. I'm buying it as a mile munching tourer that can go two up if needed.

@danielm6507 Год назад

Test rode one recently with my wife. Your analysis is spot on with mine, i don't think you'll be disappointed

@tsh7090 3 года назад

Enjoyed the heck out of this. Great open dialog between mates with a lot of bike experience. I would have slid the 790R towards High Spec with it's multi rider mode, available cruise, quick shift, etc, and a bit more towards off road, for this comparison group. Otherwise, I was right there with them. Disclaimer; I bought a used '18 ATAS. It was smoking good deal, that let me pay cash. Otherwise, I'd have bought the Rally Pro too.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Yes, it's not a perfect chart - you're right, the 790 is well-spec'd in terms of off-road performance and the depth of electronic options.

@pistolpete6321 3 года назад

Great comparison video!

@caseyworthington7092 3 года назад

Lovely review. Thanks!

@francis105G 3 года назад

Excellent Review!! Simon, You look Much better after the haircut....Cheers!!

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

I was really digging the lockdown look.

@chandrashekarchangappa 3 года назад

They just made me to go test ride suzuki vstrom 1050xt!

@adammfharris 3 года назад

Were they correct in bashing it so super hard?

@nsh22987 3 года назад

Interesting one! Was wondering where you’d slot in Triumph GT & GT Pro?!

@Majorbanjo 3 года назад

Great Review! Thanks

@papaduck1000 Год назад

Totally enjoyed this review - love strong opinions.

@mardelplatalimousines3423 2 года назад

Awesome review, many thanks 👌

@tomg8636 3 года назад

great vid guys!

@UncleWally3 3 года назад

Excellent; well worthy of another watch. As well, looking though an anthropological lens, the final bit where the videographer captures the forlorn mating call of the white tail moto journalist? Fascinating, simply fascinating.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

It is indeed a beautiful moment, redolent of Attenborough at his finest 👍

@RegiVarghesePhotographer 3 года назад

Great analysis. Almost close to getting the Tiger 900 Rally Pro

@8andsk835 3 года назад

Did u get one?

@billmcmeekin7909 3 года назад

Great review fellas. I have a 2020 ATAS with about 9000 kms now. Road through BC, Canada about 80% tarmac, 20% forestry roads. Love the electronic suspension and comfort of the bike. But have to agree, about the TFT screen. It took time to really learn the system. Have you tried the electronic suspension? I find the gravel to tour modes incredibly different feeling at the push if a button. If so what did you think? Thanks eh, fellas :-) 🇨🇦

@grol094 3 года назад

Great video. Thanks And - you guys were also using three different helmet mounted video cameras. I'd Love to hear/read your comparison on those.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Not sure what the other guys were using, but I've been using a GoPro H7 Black (the on-board of the Tiger, mostly). With updated firmware and on GoPro batteries (not 3rd party batteries) it's been great; I use a 256Gb card, sometimes power it via USB, and have recorded a complete lap of the NC500 in one go - over 9 hours' riding - in 1080p with no problems. The stabilising is amazing, and it seems to be pretty durable (decked it out while cornering, no problems). Versatile too - on bike, on helmet, tripod for talking to camera, on a selfie stick for wandering about. Love 'em.

@albertcivit6227 3 года назад

Great video , for tastes colours, different opionions always wecome, i go for the Tiger, but guys i think can't deny Africa Twin AS Full is more top Spec than Tiger..... Tiger has heated seat plus while Africa has electronic suspension, and mobil mirror link on Screen... can't compare... you can put heated seat for 300hundred bugs....

@skyworks1621 3 года назад

Great stuff guys, like how you speak of all the positives and negatives. As a 2019 Vstrom XT rider I think Suzuki did too little to improve, it shoud have new frame to make it a bit lighter, engine has maybe made a step back and at least a TFT for 2020. I would not upgrade, but would love to see Kawasaki making a Vtwin 1000 cc with 19 inch tire. That would be my choice. Gretttings from Slovenia.

@Herbster71 3 года назад

Carplay is a revelation on my AT. Took me an hour playing in the garage to get to grips with the controls. Not intuitive, but not difficult either and after a day, feels like second nature.

@garyburleson1010 3 года назад

I’m looking to upgrade from my hands 250 L rally. Good review I’m trend toward the Triumph 900. Thanks

@wandering_armadillo 3 года назад

Bravo lads - that board was highly educational. And what the heck is that outlier Ducati doing with spokes ;) Highlight was Simon's haircut !

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Before or after? I was kinda into the whole baseball-cap-back-woods-trucker look.

@wandering_armadillo 3 года назад

@@writestuffmedia Haha, oh I'm sure the shaggy will return in a matter of months - hang onto that cap :)

@nealeburgess6756 3 года назад

I compare my bike: 3 cylinder, super smooth sophisticated engine, with loads of torque and 75 bhp. Very little wind buffeting up to about 85 or 90 mph. More road oriented, but can do off road adventure riding with care. Sahara in Morocco and over the top of the Atlas mountains. Good optional luggage system. Informative instrument panel (Speed, RPM, Gear, Time, Trip Meter). Centre stand and side stand. Brembo brakes. Super comfortable seat. But most important of all, it cost me so little to buy it, I can afford the petrol to go places. The bike is of course a 1988 BMW K75 base model. I have fiited a couple of USB sockets and a sat nav mount. I have bought heated grips, that will be fitted before this winter. My go anywhere, anytime bike!

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

With you 100% Neale - well, I'd go for the RS meeself... great -looking bike.

@davidellis5964 3 года назад

I own a BMW GSA 850. Great adventure bike but its quite heavy. Okay for dirt tracking and trails. Not a real off-road bike being to lardy, but great for long trips and the odd dirt track.

@GCTO239 3 года назад

Africa Twin all day! Superior quality and reliability. Great looks. Superb engine. Wonderful sound. Outstanding DCT (no other company can equal that). Produced in Japan instead of Thailand. The base spec 2020 AT is the better bike compared to the Adventure Sports. Lighter, better handling, more dynamic, better offroad, better functioning wind protection if you order the larger screen. The Twin is the clear winner! If you buy a Honda, you will be also happy 15 years from now. And guys, what the heck are you talking about? The base spec AT easily matches the Tiger offroad.

@AleksiJoensuu 3 года назад

"Which one would you take on a long tour?" I mean, I could tour a long, long way for the £3000 I'd have left if I bought the V-Strom.

@AleksiJoensuu 3 года назад

Maybe deduct £50 for the heated grips. And if I really wanted to look at a phone screen, take another £40 for a phone holder.

@fs5866 3 года назад

You guys are spot on with the vstrom,I testrode the bike myself and the first thing I said was,where are those 100nm of torque and horsepower?the bike has pretty much similar Africa twin specs but it's nice and day difference between the two bikes,the vstrom felt underpowered for the power and size of the engine it has

@davidmain3 3 года назад

Excellent!

@zzim2853 3 года назад

Great video. There seems to be a massive difference in opinion as to what an adventure bike is. Everyone is trying to market these monster bikes to us as off road weapons. They are not even close to being off road oriented. They are street bikes with some off road abilities. I would not rate any of them as being more off road bike than on road. All of em should be above the 50/50 line for sure. Guess the problem is that if a 500lb plus bike, sold with street tires on it is a good choice for off road then we are all wishing for something very different. but cheers on the good video making.

@TsterMr63 2 года назад

I was set on the V-strom because I figured in the midwest USA I'd be on tarmac and gravel roads mostly. But I found an almost-new 2022 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro with full set of panniers for less money than the XT Adventure, and I bit.

@gearjammer3688 3 года назад

Still loving my sorted gs1150. Ohlins, de cat, open pipe and Sargent seat. Nothing I can't fix and built like a bull. Gets plenty of respect too.

@ryanpierce9793 3 года назад

Simon is the man!!! Very easy to listen to and super knowledgeable!

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Thanks Ryan - sadly, not switched on enough to realise why calling the bikes 'mid'-anything is a derogatory term.

@ryanpierce9793 3 года назад

@@writestuffmedia I totally agree, definitely not derogatory in my eyes (especially when not referring to quality). I find it more descriptive and beneficial, especially during the decision making process for the average budgeted rider. "Mid" bikes, I seem to think, provide a buyer looking for a thoughtful balance between the 'stuff you need' and the 'stuff you want', for a price usually hovering around 'reasonable enough for the wife to allow it'.

@DavidBlack101 3 года назад

Check out his pod if you haven’t already - Front End Chatter. Number one podcast in Iceland 😂

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

We're big in Singapore, too 🕺

@gavriel4137 3 года назад

The African twin has two screens so when you're using your navigation you still know how fast you're going and what gear you're in.

@teneretraveller8980 3 года назад

The fact that you admit these are almost entirely road orientated questions whether they are really adventurous at all. Tenere 700 or ktm 790, I think. But, interesting. Happy travels

@Majorbanjo 3 года назад

Adventure category has alway been road oriented that you can take down a dirt road.........BMW invented it.....Tenere/KTM more akin to what dual sport has always been.......

@86jesseb 3 года назад

Great video guys, really enjoyed the whiteboard part as well - I felt like joining in on the conversation. Shame about the comments though, a bit annoyed at how fussy people get over trivial shit, particularly this idea that adventure bikes need to be light and off-road focussed to truly qualify for the category. As an Aussie, there’s some big adventures you can have on sealed roads and dirt roads. Sure, if you’re crossing the Simpson or doing Cape York there’s better options, but they usually fall into the trail bike category to begin with, and are then modified into lightweight ‘adventure bikes’. The adventure bike category has pretty much always been full of what are just big dual sport bikes, so I’m surprised people still struggle with the name of the category (and how they are then categorised in terms of size, etc). Now I’m whinging about whingers... oh well.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Thanks JB. Appreciate the comments. I wish we'd shot an ending on the beach for the first vid; then we could've made two shorter vids instead of having to wedge them together into one long one. But hey. We learn. I should've been more considerate with the naming of the category - people do get hung up on it a bit, but I kinda just realised it's because if I'd bought a 1000cc adventure bike, and they ain't cheap, then have some clown sit on a sand dune and mansplain why it's actually a middleweight, that might piss me off a bit. And fair enough. And I'm all for people disagreeing with the things we spout; it's all fair comment. I don't mind people picking me up on facts I get wrong either - we're all learning etc. I even get why people critique the content in terms of production; we try and do the best we can, it's free, sometimes we get it right & sometimes wrong but hey, we're not a ££££ broadcaster etc. But if the music's rubbish, it's rubbish. And if the sound is terrible, it's terrible - can't argue! I'm whinging about whinging about whingers 🤪

@86jesseb 3 года назад

@@writestuffmedia Good stuff Simon. At the risk of sounding like a bit of an ass-kisser or FEC fanboy, I must say I think you're doing a great job with this RU-vid stuff (as are your colleagues, but you come across just a bit more dedicated to the whole thing I guess). I've invested a fair bit of time searching for good bike content and the handful of channels I subscribe to are all unique in their own way. For me, it feels like this channel has more of an old school 'magazine' vibe to it, which I like - so I hope you guys can maintain that in the future. I'm sure majority rules and a lot of people like shorter videos and more action than facts/opinion/conversation, but there's enough of that elsewhere. As long as the audio and visuals are clear as much as possible, I'm happy here. For example, I wouldn't want to see you splitting videos up just for the sake of it, unless there's a good reason. Long 'feature length' ones are good too, sometimes I just wait until I have enough time to watch it (it took me a week to get to this one). I guess I'm giving advice not to take too much advice from viewers... how ironic. Oh well, cheers mate.

@philip5798 3 года назад

Please do a shootout with the KTM 790 Adventure R, Tenere 700 and Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Do it.

@tor9273 3 года назад

Three great bikes. I'll be upgrading to my Tiger 900 this week (decision made before seeing this review).

@markjacobs3956 3 года назад

4000 miles on mine 50/50 riding in Colorado. Best of the bunch when paired with Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Period.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

I think you will be very happy. Althought tbh I would have said that with any of them.

@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 3 года назад

For me : Tiger 900 GT 2020 😍. For asphalt roads, for gravel and dirt roads: i don’t need a 21 inches front wheel!

@chrishart8548 3 года назад

Then get the V-strom

@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 3 года назад

Chris Hart : i hesitated a lot between the V-Strom 1050 XT, The V85TT Travel & the Tiger 900 GT & last month, i bought a Tiger 900 GT & i love it.

@francis105G 3 года назад

@@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 Tiger 900GT has much higher specs than Vstrom for the long rides. Great Choice. Cheers!!

@bigred8438 3 года назад

Talking about the 6th gear touring speed thing is interesting, because on my ancient R1150 GS Beemer, at 60mph in 6th I am doing 3000 rpm, and it is almost as though the engine isn't running at all it is so smooth.

@andhikawayan 3 года назад

Great content. Plus versys 1000 would be nice.

@DerpEye 3 года назад

The Versys is a road going touring bike, extremely heavy and not able to handle off road.

@georgiesgirl64 3 года назад

Did anyone get numb hands or feet from the vibration on the Tiger? Presumably its the same on GT PRO? VERY HELPFUL VIDEO.

@timogronroos4642 3 года назад

Just one more perspective to this. The whole concept of "adventure" is within the driver, not any of these bikes. It's up to you, what kind of adventures you're going to have. All kinds of adventures are ok to be called adventure. There's often too much emphasis on "off road" capability, when adventure bikes are not about that. There's dirt bikes for that genre. All adventure bikes with proper tires can manage gravel roads, road to the beach, way to camping ground, next forest road or maybe to the next vineyard. Just imagine the adventures you are going to take and think which bike give you the best experience within your budget, preferences and which bike give you right vibe. Enjoy live and ride!

@k_plax 3 года назад

Fantastic video, good chat amongst the presenters. Although I’m surprised that you think the 790 Adv R model is closer in offroad ability to the Tiger Rally Pro than T7. This vid just goes to show this market is all down to personal opinion and choice, be it what you think ‘mid-size’ means or what works well for you and what doesn’t on an adventure bike. A lot to consider when choosing one to buy which I think is only a good thing

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Exactly!

@keratubes 3 года назад

As a GSA owner, I have to say those are nice little bikes ! (😂)

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Stop that, you'll get me in trouble 😅

@rh_8599 3 года назад

Mid range, hmm yeah ok...

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Yes, I've worked out why it's a bad idea to use the name. Massive apologies.

@deanroberts2021 3 года назад

I test rode the africa twin twin & vstrom &bought a v strom 1050xt as my everyday transport to replace my multistrada 1000ds. Not because the v strom is a better road bike (in my op) gives great mpg & has better screen but because I was too cheap to pay for the africa twin. "Reviews" vs real world is a funny thing. But guess reviews are always right 🙂

@hwoccurrence 3 года назад

@@deanroberts2021 Good choice. I really like the look of the Africa Twin, but if I would buy it, it would be used. The 2020 models are way too expensive where I live.

@DragonNova 3 года назад

Tenere 700?

@hwoccurrence 3 года назад

@@DragonNova Tenere 700 lacks several components you would need to use it to its potential, which makes it not that good value for money, IMO.

@MikeHenrick1 3 года назад

Love this video, and especially the chart at the end, really interesting, So I'll ask you guys, I'm 54, 6 foot 2 inches, I'd got my heart set on Ducati 1260s grand tour, after test riding, both BMWs, hated them, felt like tractors, Triumph 800 tiger, Yamaha tracer 900, looked and sat on Africa twin, not a big fan of how it feels to sit on,this was all pre lockdown, I will probably only ever do roads, a lot of mike's though, moving to Cornwall, and I'm doing Scotland first then see how we go from then, although I rode off road since I was 8 so might do a bit, or buy a smaller bike for off road. My question is, choice of the Ducati multistrada 950 or 1260 Triumph Tiger 900 which would you chose, based on rideability, comfort, mpg, and most importantly to me, reliability. Thanks

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Last question first; reliability - MS is well-established model with no reliability issues I'm aware of - obviously in mass production there can be the odd problem here and there but nothing substantial I know of. Follow servicing to the letter & you should be ok. Triumph is the same - you hear of individual cases, but that's exactly what they are: individual. The 900 motor is a fairly heavily modded-800 with a lot of new parts - it would be highly, highly unusual for a problem to occur across production, but it *is* effectively a new motor. And I guess all manufacturers are constantly evolving (and economising) on production techniques & suppliers - tbh, I suspect that's where the majority of manufacturers' reliability issues stem from. Bottom line; I'd have no concerns with either. In terms of what might suit you best & from your use & preference, I would go for one of the Ducatis every time. Pure road bikes without having to compromise on weight balance, suspension travel, components & styling for that off-road look & feel. If there was even the slightest hint of off road, you'd have to choose a Tiger Rally Pro. But pure on road? If you like the Vtwin better than the triple, has to be the 950 or 1260. Between them - assuming you mean the latest top spec of both; they have (as I recall) similar (if not identical) chassis (I'd need to look it up to be sure - easy to do on Ducati's specs site). So really it's down to which engine you prefer; the 950 is revvier & busier, but a bit smoother and tbh a bit more flexible because it's happier trickling along in 30mph zones. The 1260 is bursting with performance all over, is astonishingly rapid, but its natural area of efficiency is at a higher pace than the 950 - I know which one I'd rather ride around town at 30mph in top (950), or which one I'd rather absolutely go bat-shit on down a fast A-road (1260). But either will happily do both. Personally, I like big engines and I cannot lie. :-) But I also like big tanks and the 1260 Enduro would feature in my personal choice.

@chrishart8548 3 года назад

If you can get it I would go MS 950 comes at a price but it way more competent who needs the 165hp of the 1260 and the higher cost must be £3k+ more

@Sirsethtaggart3505 Год назад

What have they done to the vstrom engine? My TLR was a beast!

@todxbranko Год назад

Can anyone answer what jacket Simon is wearing? I'm digging the incognito ADV/touring style, really really like the looks of that

@BlackThor15 3 года назад

This is a great video, with lots of valid and useful for potential future owners however the title should be changed as it confuses with the objective of the video, such as, if these bikes are middleweight, then which category you put the KTM 390 or the T700 for example?

@deanroberts2021 3 года назад

Bit more of a triumph sales pitch than review , is more tech better? It's a motorbike does it really need a built in ipad ?, Africa twin is most off road oriented but placed in more on road section ? , as much as I like watching bike reviews I urge people to never choose a bike because of them it's just over thinking marketing bulls##t .

@ne21 3 года назад

Dean Roberts correct, couldn’t agree with you more. Everyone beware of “trending for the moment” journalistic garbage. Buy the bike you want at the price you can afford. You’re paying for it after all. No one else...

@roads_to_explore 3 года назад

@@ne21 to be fair the ATAS is aimed at road riding more than the regular version

@ne21 3 года назад

Andre Van Os I was thinking more about the V-Strom 1050 than ATAS.

@ttmadness34 3 года назад

Totally agree, Id rather watch a review from an owner who has had the bike a while and can give an honest long term review. I like Triumphs but watched a review from a guy who has 2 tiger 900s, one for him and one for his wife and the issues he has had would put me off buying one.

@BS32768 3 года назад

@@ttmadness34 I saw the same video. Quite scary that the TFT dash that the reviewers love to highlight fails a lot and costs almost a thousand dollars to replace. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eK7fuafmovg.html

@simoncurtin2541 2 года назад

going off this im leaning toward a used BMW GS 1200, for some reason i cant take to the look of that Tiger ??

@peter4334 3 года назад

What about the Moto Guzzi v85tt. A great midsize adventure bike with shaft drive, has it all over these others ; )

@Steeler_SE 3 года назад

Look at the chart in the last third of this. It's in there.

@gb93669 3 года назад

Yes, upper left in the chart. It's a simple bike with pushrods and few electronics. But it's received good reviews. I love the fact that it has shaft drive and is so simple to work on. Not happy with the tube type tires, but you can replace the wheels and go tubeless. Biggest concern is the small dealer network. That, and the mother corp. is poorly responsive to problems. It took me six months to get my Aprilia RSV4 parts in for repair. Unacceptable. Too bad because I loved my Moto Guzzi Daytona 1,000.

@robinroma6285 3 года назад

I don't think we need to argue what's a middleweight or not, enjoyed the content and found it useful.... Still head scratching between AT 1100 and the 790ADVR. Leaning towards the KTM.

@chrishart8548 3 года назад

Weight of the KTM 790r looks good on paper but the thing looks so blouted in real life.

@robinroma6285 3 года назад

@@chrishart8548 true but it's growing on me!

@steve-wu7jp 3 года назад

Everyone is saying the vstrom is lacking a little? I wonder if you could flash it and give it just that little more poke. Isnt this motor derived from the tl1000r ? Maybe go 1 down on the front sprocket?

@andrewmelalueca4881 3 года назад

Agree, it's petty good value.

@unity-gain 3 года назад

These are all great bikes, but I personally don’t want all that expensive tech or horsepower on a mid-sized adventure bike. Not that I would call these mid-size bikes. I am looking for a smaller bike to enter the segment. Hey Kawasaki, what about sticking that 400 engine in the Versys? Or a replacement for my venerable KLR? Honda, Rally-Raid has shown you there’s a market for making the CB500x into a mini Africa Twin. Those would all be more interesting to me. Just not the profit margins of these bikes I am sure.

@markjacobs3956 3 года назад

4000 miles 50/50 riding in Colorado on my Tiger RP. It puts all others to shame when proper tires are mounted. Dunlop Trailmax Missions. A true Swiss Army Bike.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Swiss Army Bike - that would be an interesting paint scheme 🇨🇭

@swejaggy 3 года назад

What do you think about The vibrations?

@markjacobs3956 3 года назад

@@swejaggy whatever vibrations it makes... Get over it. It's more gravely that buzzy or vibey. Quit listening to the naysayers. They would not ride anything but a KTM or a BMW no matter what anyway. 6500 trouble free miles now.

@KimCruz1 3 года назад

Does anyone else think the ktm 790 adventure r is a bit more off-road biased than the tenere 700 purely because of the suspension? Haven't ridden either of them (obviously lol) but it seems to me from reviews that the suspension on the adventure r just makes it more capable? Also not a ktm fan, tbh if I could have any bike on the list it would be a tenere but my question still stands, anyone else feel like the ktm didn't get it's due?

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

I think the KTM is certainly more capable than the T7 in the sense an expert rider will be able to make better use of its abilities. And yes, I think it has been a bit overlooked - not sure why. But for simple green-laning, the T7 has an easy-going, soft power delivery, and to me just feels a bit more manageable.

@KimCruz1 3 года назад

Simon Hargreaves thanks a lot Simon! Enjoy your videos and thanks for the reply!!

@EyeOfMaat 3 года назад

Yup. More engine, more HP, but very similar weight. More ground clearance, best in class suspension travel, and more adjustments. Very advanced traction controll in rally mode. Conering ABS and lean sensitive TC (on street mode)

@davidhardstaff8110 3 года назад

I've just ordered a 900 rally pro. I'm hoping the Buzz doesn't affect the pillion on the rare occasions H is on the back. And yes it will be going off road. But coming from a 701 I'm quite nervous about that.

@writestuffmedia 2 года назад

Hopefully it's fine for you. Long after we made this, I rode a Tiger 900 Rally Pro on a 2000-mile road trip and after a few concerns on the first day I soon forgot about it. Not a problem for me. Hope it's ok for you too.

@cpuuk 3 года назад

Good white board. I'm not convinced about Quick Shifter being needed on ADVs, on most bikes the QS are very fussy about how and when to use them i.e. Ducati doesn't like or recommend QS at slow speeds (lordy knows if you do it's a mine field of false neutrals). I do accept that the Tiger9 has a fabulous QS, but none NEED a QS.

@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff 3 года назад

QS is sublime on the Tiger 1200 at any speed once you get used to where it likes the throttle. I wouldn'y have a bike without one now and Triumph's implementation is spot on.

@mariohanzek712 3 года назад

What about Supertenere, wher would super tenere be on that chart?

@liveinwonder7221 3 года назад

How on earth did you get the mileage on a full tank on the Vstrom down to 130 miles with the fuel light on? My Vstrom (2015) regularly sees 250 miles (400km) to a tank.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

I guess we're a bit heavy on the throttle 🤪 ✊

@fs5866 3 года назад

You have to rev that engine quite a lot if you want to get the power out of it

@JDeezle21 3 года назад

V-Strom for me with a Slip-On and money saved. I’ll probably add a quick shifter and a bunch of tires

@Roihan54 3 года назад

Duc Mts 950?

@victorherrero4790 2 года назад

Nice video, but you guys were pretty hard toward the Vstrom. You never talked about reliability where the Vstrom is the king, furthermore the Vstrom is not as bad as you said..this is the only review in which I see the Vstrom being a "bad" motorcycle. It looked kinda Triumph biased...

@roads_to_explore 3 года назад

Missing a big point on the Triumph, the fork angle (rake) is too narrow compared to the other two. In offroad sandy conditions this will cause high instability at low speeds.This will deffo decrease its offroad capabilities past the Africa Twin. But since this is pretty much a road contest... And have you guys tinkered with suspension settings at all? Set up the ATAS for road use and its night and day difference!

@MrJohnnyorange 3 года назад

So the Rally Pro is not as good on road as the Africa Twin, but two out of three testers would take the Triumph for a long road journey to John O' Groats? I'm Confused!

@triumphtiger 3 года назад

Great detail brill work, these bike's are real world bike's that have so much versatility, I don't get the 130/200 bhp bike's for the UK (do you use them on a track?) The biggest win has to be the weight saving! The tiger is 13 ish stone lighter than a GS 1250, that must = more fun surely?

@benjicollins1 3 года назад

You can use car play on the Africa Twin without using a headset. You just Don't pair a headset, it'll warn you that you need one, hit the ok button/cancel button and it will start working.

@chrishart8548 3 года назад

I think the 950 multistrada is the bike they really want

@repetitivemotion 3 года назад

Since these bikes will spend all of the time on the street and the occasional gravel ride, I like aero side cases, like Kawasaki and Ducati, instead of the beer cooler panniers seen in this vid.

@Nick_R_ 3 года назад

My V-Strom 650 is a mid-range adventure bike.

@motorbike650 Год назад

neutral conclusion...we watch these videos to get answers about a new purchase..but after watching them you are none the wiser

@itsyoure2014 3 года назад

Africa twin my dream bike😇

@keithrobinson5752 3 года назад

An adventure bike as long as the adventure involves a tuck following you around full of bits or a short ride to dealer , as you got no chance of any finding in any near remount location. That is if the 'tech ' allows you fix anything in the first place.

@Tomahawkfalcone 3 года назад

V85tt.... Shaft drive and super comfortable

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Certainly shaft drive 😉 I did 1000 miles in one go - 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4ofZikl626o.html - and the seat got a bit tough on the ride home the next day. Understandable, I guess.

@fredrik999z 3 года назад

OK, 1100 cc might be "mid-size" but it is definitely not mid-priced. Honda Africa twin cost $15 000+ which I would say is pretty much.

@gregtriumphrat 3 года назад

AT was so bland when I was looking at these bikes. Bought the Strom because it was so much fun at alot less money.

@chrishart8548 3 года назад

The Strom makes a much better road bike and even for pot holes poor roads etc. None of these should really be going off road it's asking for trouble. Going to end up in a ditch and someone will put there back out. Or it will land on you break your leg

@vishwav20 3 года назад

I would call them Mid-Heavyweight Gentlemen!

@gaborvargahu 3 года назад

@Bennets Bike It would be nice If I could donwload the summerized sheet as a pic form your website.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

I don't think that's possible, but if you DM me on Twitter @SimonHbikes I can ping one to you.

@okienightstalker3145 3 года назад

The new KTM 890 Adv R might be the hot ticket for long paved trips to aggressive single track

@8andsk835 3 года назад

I’ve heard a lot about oil leaks from the 890 what have u heard?

@edcullen1852 3 года назад

Where does the Triumph 900 GT fit in comparison to the others, it does have an off/road mode and a 19” front wheel ?

@jblue1299 3 года назад

Eddie, it seems to be lots of complaints about the vibration problems with the Tiger !

@edcullen1852 3 года назад

@@jblue1299 Thanks for that but I never asked about the vibration I asked where does the GT fit into the equation but I do believe there is vibration problems coming from the new firing order in the motor as the old 800s with the original firing order don’t have a problem with the vibration

@jblue1299 3 года назад

@@edcullen1852 , thanks

@gasman6163 2 года назад

I've just made the decision to move back to Suzuki from Triumph as the cam chain noises (sounds like a skeleton having a wank in a metal bucket) and screen losing contact with the ECU. It also has ridiculous valve check intervals at astronomic cost. It may look well built but.......

@hareshkanagasabapathi781 3 года назад

Can you guys do this chart for scramblers

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

That is a good idea!

@tecdive8045 2 года назад

which jacket is Simon wearing?

@bennettsbikesocial 2 года назад

Hi, it's the Tucano Urbano Gulliver which they don't make anymore. There's a replacement called the Gulliver 2G, available in dark green or back.

@Joric78 3 года назад

I don't think the tech usually debuts on the sub 1100cc bikes unless that is the flagship model (as with Honda and Suzuki). For instance you'll see adaptive cruise control debut on the 1290 Super Adventure and 1250 GS before it makes it's way down the range. ADV bikes really are the SUVs of the motorcycle world though, in every way. Including the fact that they've become so popular that there's a bunch of sub categories. With some ADV bikes essentially being sports tourers on stilts with beaks, and others actually being made for off road performance.

@writestuffmedia 3 года назад

Ok, um... so on tech: • Tiger 900 > 1200 • V85TT > V9 • T7 has no tech • MS 950 S got the same tech as the 1260 2 years after it was introduced • 790 Adv < 1290 SA • F850 GS < R1250 GS So you're right; I think I was kinda thinking primarily about the Tiger 900. They're all compromises between road v off-road to varying degrees - I remember at the launch of the 790 Adventure, KTM were banging on about the 'Ready To Race' thing... it was like being on a sportsbike launch in the early 00s, all "Own The Racetrack!" and performance orientated bumf. And I thought 'Hang on, that's all very well, but what about the guy or gal who wants to podge round Scotland in comfort?' Turns out the 790 Adventure is very, very good at podging round Scotland because I did exactly that, and apart from malfunctioning electronics I couldn't really fault it. At the discounted price they selling them for at the moment it's exceptional value.

@bigred8438 3 года назад

With respect to quick shifters at least in terms of changing up, I have seen people changing up gears on the V-Strom without the clutch.