Tis a fantasy that Man would not take up arms.. there could be a second story of the "lost ships" of Earth or at lest the unrecorded think submarine wolf packs..
It's obviously one of those fanfictions written by people who don't *actually* like what humanity is, but still wants to write HFY for some reason. Many such cases. Face it, o ye pretend pacifists: A child's first thought when seeing a stick on the ground is "That looks like a weapon. *I want it."* We humans love weapons, especially creatively repurposing things into weapons. Enough of this pacifist fanfiction. We are warlords that understand the value of some good hard-earned peace. We will earn it, and make sure that those that don't earn it don't get it.
Now this is what I call pure space FANTASY! Humans refuse to arm themselves to apocalyptic level. And their cargo haulers flying into battle without ANY kind of guns... Yupp, pure fantasy, on the highest level.
Humans just didnt get stressed enough in the war. My head canon for this story is that Canada conquered the Earth before spreading into space and now the human empire has two states. Passive agressive and spaceborn genocide.
The comments are really funny on this one. That it is more difficult to believe that humans can become stalwart pacifists than that they become hulking unstoppable juggernauts of the galaxy.
Playing with a severe self-imposed handicap in a sim is considered legit, and a way to develop skills to OP levels. War can be fought on many fronts, cultural, economic, diplomatic, sabotage of various types ... . I can see humans developing military tech they have not deployed, and training everyone via game simulations. The unarmed ships are within spec to mix and match modular upgrades like high-tech leggos. . For a surprise attack with minimal preparation, they have layers of strategy that can include apparent capitulation and sending 'slaves' to infiltrate and earn trust for a set period before the sleeper agents activate. . If they know a species exists, they can study them and plan counter measures that will activate on certain conditions: to wreck an economy, destroy agriculture/food production, break down alliances... . A society is large and complex. There will be critical parts of the society, and critical parts of the economy, that support the leaders/rulers and that support and maintain the military. . If you have planned (perhaps for centuries) and preset and updated plans are already in place, you can (on fairly short notice) devastate the support and logistics of the military without (technically) firing a shot. . You are peaceful if you chose not to use violence, you are helpless if you CANNOT. While humans will never choose to be helpless, they may chose a more difficult path to victory in order to best shape the peace that follows. . The results to not justify the means for both are links in a chain of causality. Corrupt cause taints the effects which are not merely end results but the cause of the next effects. . Corrupt action shapes the results achieved, and their further consequences. . Violent warfare may be avoided in order to shape a better end result long term. War isn't just about winning the current conflict but about the power to shape the peace that follows.
@@obolisk0430 I know a lot of you folks unironically believe that. But we're not even particularly strong in our own genus nor are we smart enough to be good stewards of our only home. The idea that we would somehow be some super species in a galactic civilization is hilariously fantastical. I know a popular theme is that Earth is a high grav deathworld, but it isn't even that high grav. Its only just strong enough to hold onto oxygen without it floating off into space helium does.
I was fully expecting the diplomat to come back to human space to find they just flipped a switch and became the most heavily militarized planet in that arm of the milkyway.
that has happeend in a similar case. we werent peacfull just sleeping. the story is called full mobilization. depicting just that. this story is also quite similar in the industriall sector only less focused on that. and more focused on the logistics
Actually its exactly what humans would do. We know wars aren't won by merely fighting, they are won by the ability to keep fighting, and if you can get someone else to do the fighting (and dying) for you, do that. Also look at the US prior to actively joining ww2, this is exactly what they did (the country was at that point very anti-war, essentially pacifist) and its what lead to them becoming a superpower. Until actually attacked, they provided logistical support and got rich doing it.
@@cgi2002We were isolationists, not pacifists. Big difference. We didn't want to get involved in someone else's war (specifically, yet another war In Europe) not get involved in a war at all.
Every HFY is a dream of the author's desire. It is no more fantastical than humans being hypercompetent strategists or inventors that turn every foe aside through grit and an unyielding endurance.
The sole superpower of the world, the USA, won the wars it did not by the best firepower, but through the greatest logistical chain ever. This is best exemplified in WW2, where, in an act of logistical marvel, they would make ground vehicles, dismantle them, and send them across the ocean to Europe, and had another team of assemblers on the other side. Why? Because a packaged vehicle required less storage space, maximizing the amount of vehicles every ship going from the US to Europe could send. And that’s just one aspect. Now take that and multiply it to match a galactic stage.
Turning a plant killer into an disco ball 🪩 is the most human thing ever 😂.researcher probably just so focused on our logistics that they didn’t notice humans on the warships as well
For the anniversary of their pacifist victory over the Great Chain by supporting their allies, of course. No regular disco ball will do for something like that!
@@charliedulolhow bout you make me supreme ruler of earth,I don't have much experience,I'll make sure everyone is well fed and have good logistics and blah blah, But I'll make them scientist work on a Uber realistic vr game,the graphics is near perfect,the physics engine is perfect and the bloody realism OOOH that's where it gets GUUUUUDDD.The bodies are perfect atonomical copies,you get to experience pain and torture Ur enemies.Best part? YOU WONT DIE AND CAN DO IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
OH DEAR GOD ! No no no ..... Do not Give Humanity that POWER ! do you have any IDEA the level of Pandora Box this would open .... ...🤔💭 you know what, give it one more for the collection
This is why I like sci-fi. You can't believe it BUT its fun. Loved it. I'm going to start throwing flowers at my neighbour. He's a big angry bugger.BUT I'm sure he'll see the funny side, x 😅😅
Great idea that logistics is our weapon, but we humans will fight over which cockroach ran up the wall the fastest! I cant believe we will ever lose that sense of competition and the inherent weakness of violence that partners it so well.
A lot is different about this portrayal of humans. They're pro environmentalist syndicalists. A wonderful change from the all consuming war machine empires in most stories.
Humanity:"I got all you need for you to sustain a war but the specialized weapons that I won't bother to produce , they are your speciality, rest assured I'll supply material😉"
"A century later, the humans were forced into arming themselves....and we realized WHY they had clung to their pacifism so tightly. It's because they knew exactly WHAT they could do with their new technologies if they became warlike again. Still, we were lucky. There were only a few thousand systems completely blotted out of the sky by the time they finished and returned to peace."
This is true fantasy; the Humans not immediately gearing all production towards a titanic war effort is horribly unrealistic. That being said it is a cool premise to have a race that forms a crucial lifeline in a crisis without actually taking up arms. I just don't think Mankind fits the bill.
This is how I have played out many 4x and RTS games, by focusing on building a vast interconnected economy with my allies and pumping them full of resources.
And now The Chain, in their hubris, bore witness to their folly as their home system lay undefended, directly in the crosshairs of a now weaponized humanity. The chain will be broken and shown as an example to the stars themselves to NOT cross humanity or its allies.
Logistics. Any good general will tell you wars are won and lost by logistics more than anything else. P.S. It doesn't hurt to have a secret super weapon up your sleeve though. :)
Humans: So, what do you think win wars? Messer hivemind: Numbers! Pleiadians:Quality! Humans: Both wrong, it is logistics. *proceed to win war without firing a single shot*
Kuiper is pronounced like kai-per. Honestly if you have the technology to make a nicoll dyson beam I'm not sure what use mere gas giant sized manufacturing lines have for you. At that point you are in the realms of using the equivalent of whole gas giants as your relativistic kill missiles.
A syndicalist pacifist environmentalist society turning a death laser into a disco ball...It's the damn tree-hugging hippies in space. I got $10 says the original poster is either a real tree-hugging hippie, or at the very least has tendencies towards being a hammer and sickle-phant.
Yeah, nope. The moment those guys step into our home system there's a complete 180. Planetoid launches and kamikaze attacks from here to Alpha Centauri.
"we got so good at killing, that we got bored of it... so we started MAKING, w elearned from our wars, other wars, and we always remembered to study logistics."
I like this story, almost everyone is showing human prowess in war, while this be like, let's just chock our enemies in our mass produced goods that we sell to our neighbours. If the Tyranids arrive in a galaxy united against them.
Reminds me of another story when humanity met the other aliens and humanity was pacifists. Then someone attacked and humanity hit back with such ferocity that the rest of the galaxy understand: Humanity was not a pacifist species playing at war. Humanity was a warrior species playing at peace and forced olto return to their old ways. After humanity delivered the whoop-ass, overnight swords and shields are turned back to plowshares. But this time, no one dared to make humanity angry again.
Going through the comments and people are saying that they couldn't believe humans wouldn't build weapons, or that humans should have fought. I feel these people are thinking way too small scale. Humans *did* build weapons, and we *did* fight. That story is about how we built, tempered, and weilded two entire empires as sword and shield against a crushing foe. Humanity conducted warfare on a massive scale, by moving our allies to act on our behalf, just like a swordsman moves his muscles to swing a sword. Saying "why didn't humanity fight" is like asking an individual muscle in a sword arm to leap out and cut the enemy: its duty isn't to be a weapon in and of itself, its real strength is only realized in how it directs the weapon.
...for what is more combat effective: a thousand well armed soldiers? Or a single machine gunner, with limitless ammunition resupplys, and replacement gun parts?
Let me guess... the real weapons are either on ice or not built to prevent temptation... there is no way the humans are not prepared... we know better than anyone it is best to be prepared but at the same time temptation is a bitch so it's best to have plans ready but not built instead not having at all.
Technique wise, Decently written. Content wise though....... The Delusionally Wishful Thinking of a Hippy. Was my first thought. Try eating animal protein.
Great thing about O’Neil Cylinders, even if housing just 1 million each…. By the time you have great propulsion to get to the stars, you have propulsion to harvest the Ort Cloud here around Sol. You can house 5 Trillion Humans here at Sol alone. 1% of the population of pacifist humanity being military would be 50 Billion soldiers.. over 6 Earths worth of Soldiers during Peacetime.
Humans pacifist? AND SPECIALLY WHEN EARTH IS BEING ATTACKED? Sorry fam that's a 40k moment right there and humans would make Cadia look like a skirmish.
There are some interesting variations on human pacifism out there. In one, there was a planet of very self regulated people. rebellious youth who didn't want to be part of their culture competed fiercely against each other, and the winners were given their own ship(s) and exiled. In the last paragraph, a winner of the competition is in his new ship. He is talking to the equivalent of traffic control (I think) & doesn't understand why his people were not conquering the Galaxy. The answer was basically 'been there, done that. We were ready for a real challenge, so we began to control ourselves instead of controlling others.' The story ended as the YA is still caught in the mental whiplash of 'wait - WHAT?!'
Yea nope I'm sorry but I can see humanity by and large going 'please stop. Please do not make us angry you will not like-' *BING* 'D E A T H T O T H E X E N O S'
In this story pacifism is a choice that appears noble and when born from a philosophical conviction it can be, especially if only you bear the consequences of such convictions. Abstaining from activities you lack the confidence to control can be a sign of wisdom. The stagnation that comes from not mastering your nature is at best lazy and/or cowardly. When it's a choice and others must shoulder your responsibility as well as theirs then it's the worst, it's narcissism and superiority. You valued your philosophy over the sacrifices and hardships of others. Nothing you do to offset your choice will matter because you could have done more.
I have never met a more pathetic creature than a pacifist. If you won't fight you can't decide your own fate, you become little more then a slave to those that will.
You must never have met a True Pacifist. A True Pacifist is capable of great violence but has the strength of character to look for other solutions first.
I have never met a more pathetic creature than one that would attack a pacifist. One that attacks those who cannot defend themselves, the children, the ill, the elderly. Not only is it pathetic for picking an easy prey, but it is also ignorant of the swift retribution that will follow.
A story where we see humanity as a total opposite to anything resembling its actual self without any exploration as to how we got there feels like wishful fantasy more than a story where the author and the audience has a shared character in mind. I don't think the idea of a pacifist humanity is without merit, even for hfy, I just think it's a bit bland and wishful to not touch on how we'd become like that.
