Some important context for these benchmarks: The RX6400 is a Pcie x4 Gen 4 that’s probably running in the x16 Gen 3 slot. This probably results in a bit of a dip performance wise The RTX 3050 is a PCIE x8 card running in either Pcie 2 or 3 x4 slot. If @basicdadtech could provide insight over which gen pcie the x4 slot is that’d be helpful. In any case, the 3050 is being bottlenecked more than the 6400.
yeah this is weird, i feel like rx6400 should be the one that would bottlenecked alot here bcause its x4 connection. but then on the other hand despite it being outperformed by 6400, i dont think the 3050 is bottlenecked by much either when you look at the gpu percentage in this benchmark. and i already saw a couple benchmark for 3050 and one that i saw even has the card compared to 6500xt which is a more powerful card then 6400, and 3050 performed better if not the same to the 6500xt. its weird, i mean its supposed to perform around the same level as 1060...
@@ydnaivi9435 yeah, I mean we’re also dealing with a 4th gen intel cpu here and ddr3 ram, and while it wasn’t maxing the cpu out, there is something to be said about newer cpus providing better efficiencies and up to date tech. Those could also be bottlenecking the gpus in different ways. I’d love to see the 3050 on 8th or 10th intel and how it does. My RX6500 OEM LP is a good performer on 8th gen Intel. Nothing compared to even like… a 1650S super, but it gets the job done on my office PC. An old “game” but it can run Rocksmith 2014 Remastered all day at 1440p 165fps.
@@ydnaivi9435 I have a Dell Vostro 3681, it has an Intel Core i3 10105 with DDR4 RAM at 2666 MHz, I had a RX 6400 and now I have a RTX 3050 (which doesn't fit inside the case so I had to remove the GPU bracket and put the power supply outside of the case in order to make it fit). The thing is in this PC the RTX 3050 runs faster than RX 6400, I went from playing GTA Online on 1080p high to playing on 1440p very high.
Running RTX A2000 LP (6GB) that I got on Amazon (new old stock) for $250 (good luck finding that now). Love this card. No supplemental power, runs games very well and great render processing.
I own too and agree, just the fan seems not durable enough compared to regular gpu, or maybe I just out of luck. I bought 2 spare replacement just in case
I put an rx 550 in one last year and have been quite happy with it's level of performance. Had I been aware of the WX 4100 I would have opted for that, because it looks to be 20-30% faster in terms of fps, for only an additional $20.
@@xxcrysad3000xx WX4100 is probably your best $50 choice-ish GPU right now. Nowhere near RX6400 quality but significant performance boost over GT 1030 and RX550.
a GPU with a 6 pin connector will top the power consumption at 150w, but many of these GPUs will consume something in the order of 100 to 120w, they require the 6 pin connector since mobo will only provide 75w, but they do not max out the 6pin. for example... a MicroITX mobo with that i7 4790 + 16gb DDR3 (2x8gb 1.5v) + 1xSSD 500gb + 1xHDD 7200rpm 1TB + GTX1050 Ti will only require a 215w Psu... add 2 coolers to the mix and you have a 235w Power consumption if you could do a 90% CPU + 100% GPU usage at a given time, something not that realistic. Anyway, if you move to a DDR4 entry level platform (like an R5 1600 1st gen Ryzen), you could even get less power consumption since DDR4 uses less voltage than DDR3
@@jotabe1984 I have a Dell Vostro 3888 Mini Tower that has an i3 10100 and 2*8GB DDR4 RAMs with a SATA SSD. The PSU is 260 Watts 80+ Bronze, but has no 8 or 6 pin GPU connector. Can I install a low profile RTX 4060 using a SATA to 8 pin adapter cable? I believe drawing 40 watts off of a SATA cable won't put too much pressure on the cable, as it seems to be of high quality. I want to install the Gigabyte RTX 4060 8GB Low profile GPU with a TDP of 115W and requires 8 pin connector.
I have 5 sff Optiplexes (okay, technically one of them is the desktop case, but it's still low profile) - 2-3rd gen I5, 1-2nd gen I5, 1-2nd gen I7, and a core 2 duo. I did a very similar benchmark run as you did (but with Passmark Performance test, 3DMark, and Superposition) . The cards I used ranged from the mobo video (which was predictably horrible), 3 cards that actually were OEM from Dell (HD7570, R5 240, R7 250), GT 710 and 1030, Arc A380, RX6400, and RTX 3050-6. Most of the results matched what you got between the top 2 contenders - though I found the RX6400 tended to edge out the RTX on older benchmarks - though it was only moderately better on the Ray Tracing tests than the Arc A380. The A380, RX6400, and RTX 3050 were all purchased new on Amazon (as were the 2 GT cards) The rest were bought used (except for the R7-250 which I actually pulled from the Optiplex it was factory installed in). The 6400 and 3050 were very similarly priced, with the a380 being about $50 less. I also tested a Nvidia Quadro T400, which cost too much for what it was (a Lenovo OEM pull) and only performed marginally better than the 1030. By comparison, a full sized gtx1650 was a bit faster than all of them (ray tracing excepted of course) - I can't offer an opinion on the performance of a low profile version. Lastly, the RX6400 performs better in a more modern motherboard - but if you have the money for a more modern Optiplex, you probably won't have the money for the video card. Also, the 6400 has NO video encoders, so don't expect any decent game capturing with this card.
Pcie gen3 will bottleneck a rx6400 by quite a bit due to only having 4x pcie lanes. My brother is using one in an old hp with a i7 7700. Most newer games won't run on it well at all.
Also I would look for the RTX 4060 LP, that's a good LP GPU. However, if that's too pricey, I would recommend looking at the Intel ARC a310, a350 or a380 LP cards.
15:05 You'd think that a more expensive card would do better, but here we see the driver overhead that NVIDIA exacts, especially obvious on older / lower end CPUs. I'm guessing that's what we're seeing, because the 3050 looks better on paper.
This was the video I was exactly looking for. I was undecided as to what low profile graphics I wanted to get and was stuck between the 6400 and 3050. After seeing your video I came to the conclusion I was looking for ! You saved me some money sir!
Just bought the same Dell Optiplex for 250€. It provides 16GB or ram, a 4th gen i7, and a NVidia quadro able to output 4k at 60 fps. With LinuxMint debian edition and latest nvidia drivers, it's perfect to drive my TV set and watch youtube vidéos from my couch. I tried Fedora but because of Wayland, the video output is limited to 30 fps, so back to good old LMDE
I've got 2 old (dirt cheap) hp elitedesk 705 g2 sff, both with amd pro A8-8650B which my little kids use for Minecraft and lego games. The integrated gfx was struggling on some games. I recognise that the cpu is limited so no point going too high with gfx card as will bottleneck. Just ordered rx550 for one and Wx3100 for the other as figured the balance should be pretty much OK. Will see how it goes when they arrive. I won't lie, I'm more excited than the kids about the upgrade haha!
Something funny happened as I watched this. During the GTA5 benchmark RU-vid suddenly switched to an ad, but it bugged out and didn’t show the little ‘sponsored’ tag and the countdown timer. It was a travel resort ad on some beach that looked very similar to the GTA5 environments in that game. It switched so seamlessly it took me a moment to realize I wasn’t watching GTA5 anymore, and I thought ‘Wow I dont remember the game looking this good!’ 🤣
to me the best way to go in a MicroITX enviroment is to get a modest DDR4 CPU like an R5 1600af (of course in a microITX a320 mobo) w/stock cooler + 32gb (2x16 3200mhz) DDR4 RAM + NVME 500gb SSD + 1x1TB SATA3 SSD all of that leaves something in the order of 150 to 200w free psu juice for a dedicated GPU. None of these GPUs will be good enough for 1080p gaming, so mi go-to-solution would be to get a 1600x900 HDMI 19' display. The lower resolution will be partially compensated with the smaller screen size, and the GPUs will thank the 30% smaller resolution (that is a 30% improvement over 1080p results). Yet you can allways go with a 1080p screen and lower game resolution to 900p, that could still work
@basicdadtech For your question: I used to use a GT710 DDR3 in my Futro S920 build (AMD GX-415GA), than upgraded to a GT1030 DDR4, than I upgrade to a Futro S940 (Pentium Silver J5005), and I will get eventually a GDDR5 GT1030 for it. Passive all the way, no HDD, no CPU fan, no GPU fan, just SSD and passive fan on both. The GDDR5 exists too as a passive. Love this tiny thing! Absolutely silent, that's why I try to keep with passive cooling on the GPU, and as far as I know, on the budget there is no other GPU than the 1030. (And the powersupply is max 60W, so gotta look out for the power usage too.)
It is funny how sole & only reason for those GPUs to exist is to be for "upgrading old used Optiplex PCs" (or similar office PCs). I mean you are not gonna buy this card brand new if you are building new PC, as for the most part modern AMD APU would have similar or better performance. Also... it seems like all of those LP 1 or 2 slot cards with no additional power should all have blower cooler. Small Cards are made for small PCs and Blowers are superior when it comes to tiny cramped PC cases.
it is even funnier than most used low profile radeons on the market came out of those computers before they sold them to you, if you buying an used computer
So here are a few issues I have ran into with this PC. I have a 7080 which is the same computer just newer. The main issue is that I bought an Intel ARC A380 which is a 6GB GDDR6 Dual slpt card. It uses resizable which the processor supports, however the Mobo does not. Also because ot the PSU the only PCI slot I could use was the x4 slot. Single slot cards that do not depend on Re-bar are what you need to use in these PC's. Otherwise the GPU will not perform that well. Just figured I would put that out there.
One that may be overlooked is the Quadro T1000 4GB/8GB. They sometimes show up cheap (not on ebay though) and should be looked out for. They're basically a GTX1650 (almost) but single slot. I've had a few of them, some Dell cheap workstations came with the 8GB version and are immediately upgraded to more powerful pro cards so the cards are often sold off cheap on Facebook etc. Runs hotter than a 1650, heatsink/fan is tiny but it's enough and yeah, pretty much a GTX1650.
there is actually an SFF variant of the Gigabyte RTX 4060, and it beats the 3050 in benchmarks, but the only downside is the 6 pin PSU cable for the GPU, so you have to upgrade the power supply which might not work for some special SFF Dells due to the proprietary cables.
Great video but you forgot about the GTX 1650! It would slot right between the 1050Ti and the 3050. There is also the RTX 4070 LP too but that's expensive and too much card for the 4790
RX 550 or RX 640 are best budget OEM options. If your willing to spend a bit more RX 6400 is the best option for the money. Best option for retro gaming on Windows XP is the R7 250/250x as it a the last card that can run on the older Catalyst drivers.
A 4790 box is really too slow for a modern card, and it’s also the last generation optiplex SFF that can use a dual slot card. Hp Z2 SFF and a 4060 LP. It’ll play anything. Use a 6400 or a 3050lp and it’ll fall short. Both of those are decent cards as well but the 3050 is way overpriced and the 6400 doesn’t run well on PCIE 3.0 WX 4100 runs many older games and is single slot. That makes a decent cheap optiplex box
Bought a couple of low profile cards recently, an RX550X (HP OEM) and a Gigabyte GT1030 (DDR5). I tried putting the RX550X in my Lenovo M720q but was way too hot, the only way it'd work was by lowering the core clock to 600Mhz lol, I removed it and put it in my Dell Optiplex 3070 SFF. The GT1030 isn't here yet but should run cooler and I can use the "nvidia-smi" commands to tame it a little.
I have a hp sff 5810 i5 haswell 8gb ddr3 and a hd6670😂 Not gaming really, got xbox 360 with wheel playing forza motorsport 3 for 90 bucks for gaming.Love it. No online gaming for me, reliable single player, games kept on seperate ssd with usb 2.1 adapter.
heaven is a bit missleading, on basic preset, doesn't use enough ram or gpu hardware to fully show the difference for example r5 430 2gb ddr5 can easyly be overclocked by just sliding all sliders to the right and gets 800-850 points in heaven geforce gt 1030 2gb ddr5 gets 1500 points and hd 7790 2gb ddr5 gets 2000 points much less on extreme preset problem is you are runing it on custom preset so each score is only relevant to each other in this test and if you want fair comparacy you should at least list how the benchmark was configured in the drop down menu in the launcher
I have the RTX 3050 LP and I bought it because of the DLSS upscale which all of the other cards don’t have. Using this feature it is a totally different card than in native resolution. Also the rx6400 it is know to underperform on older pcie versions. I’m using the 3050 in a Dell Sff precision 3430 with an i7 8700 and 32 ddr4. Worth mentioning that I used the short pcie connection (x4). Still good performance
I made a build with an elitedesk 800 g2 sff, and the low profile 3050 6gb. Runs great! I think the performance is somewhere between a 1060 and a 1660, closer to a 1660. Not great overall bang for buck, but I'd argue its a competitive option if you only can use low profile cards!
3050 6GB is definitely the best to buy new right now, price is just quite steep for what it is. If you need bus powered low profile though you won't get much better, shame the 4060 LP doesn't come in a 75W low profile card version.
I'm surprised the double slot cards fared as well as they did in the smaller PCIe slot. For a PC of that vintage were we talking PCIe gen 2 for both? Maybe gen 3 on the larger one? RX6400 still kicking butt for its size even in older systems though, it's "the little GPU that could" isn't it?
@@basicdadtech I got mine (used) on an FB Marketplace for 100€ a year ago. Full with a "normal" and an LP bracket. It was even clean! I installed it in an upgraded SFF Elitedesk. It had an i5 6500 - bumped it up to a 6700 and a low-profile Noctua cooler (had to butcher the bottom side of the case to screw the cooler in). I also dremmeled the top part of the case put a 140mm intake fan and put a 90mm as an exhaust. Frankenstein's monster, but it works.
@@SeeJayPlayGames Actually, I bought the 1650 because it was cheap and I took a gamble. The rest of the parts (ths Elitedesk, the cooler, the cpu and the vents) I already had. The 7700 is to expensive for what it is. I did it out of hobby...
What i dont understand is why can a laptop have a smaller footprint gpu that is tiered above these, but these dont have that option. It should be straight forwards take the laptops gpu and put it in this form factor.
There is a gtx 1650 single slot LP gpu by Yeston but it's very hard to find from where i came from... Intel arc A310 / A380 can be a good replacement if you want to use the pc for video editing
I use A380s in my builds that I can do my rebar hack, and use a 3050 in my living room PC. biggest complaint is the 3050 fan noise honestly. I might down grade my gpu just because its driving me crazy some days
So, is nobody gonna talk about the rx 6500 lp? Like, is an OEM version from dell which is ptetty much equal and even a little better than the rx 64000 lp, but costing only 90-100$ on ebay. They're the hidden gem for me, props to the optiplex's reddit for letting the ppl know about it
I use an MSI GTX 1650 OC Low Profile in an Optiplex 7010 SFF - works okay but the i5-3470 throttles it. Swapping for an i7-3770 might improve slightly.
looking at the space in that case, I'd be concerned about using a dual slot card too long due to the potential for overheating with the lasck of airflow. The fans on the RTX 3050 would have to work very hard to try to make up for the limited air intake for them.
ive got an old hp elitedesk 800 g1 and i use to playing csgo on it with a gtx 1050ti and getting over 200fps but now in cs2 w/ a gtx 1060 it fluctuates between 40-120fps because the i7 4790 only takes DDR3 1600MHZ which is outdated and incredibly slow by todays standards which will affect big modern games like fornite, pubg, apex legends etc
Optiplex 9020 sff have 2 pcie 3.0 one only pcie 3.0 x4 (above, for 2 slot gpu) and one pcie 3.0 x16 at the bottom, only can loaded with 1 slot gpu so are there is no big lost in performance when we use rtx 3050 on pcie 3.0 x4?
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4060 OC Low Profile [GV-N4060OC-8GL] you have two cheat slots! -) but you need to look for an adapter for power from sata to 6 pin How safe is such a configuration is an open question
Note that low profile cards are usually more expensive for less performance. If it is only performance you are after and not size, it may be best to go with a bigger computer like a used workstation. That's what I did for my main PC build.
The brand new gtx 1050ti LP still above 100usd in my country, but the used one arround the same price with rx550 brand new for 70 to 80 usd i want to upgrade my sff pc right now im using rx550lp
@@basicdadtech Well, i wanna play fortnite (low settings), Minecraft & Roblox at high Graphics settings. Also is the rx6400 a bottleneck for an i5 4570?
@@BBX_Playz Not a bottleneck. In some games it will actually be the opposite. Modern games can be quite CPU demanding. So I think 6400 is a good choice.
What pci slot did you put the gpu in? Is the power supply not stopping the dual cards being used in the x16 slot? If so and they are forced tonuse the x4 at pcie3 the 3050 can't stretch its legs. Do this test with the 3050 in x8 or x16 slot and there will be a much bigger difference. Pcie 4 even more so.
Good thing it's not a 3020. That has an H81 chipset and is limited to x1 at PCIe2 in the first slot. I used that for my SATA host adapter and it's not really even enough bandwidth for 2 ports. I'm only using one but I'm sure I'd see some bottlenecking if I were to attach two SSDs (I'm already seeing some). I guess it'd be fine for hard disks/DVDs but there are only so many that can fit in that tiny case. In order for the 3050 to fit in the x16 slot, he'd need to break it out with a ribbon cable and hang it outside the chassis. Surprised no one has made a 3D printer file for an extended height cover for just such a use case. That would solve that issue, and maybe allow for another fan and/or some drive bays. I guess given the 255W power supply, there isn't much hope for powering THAT much extra.
@@arch1107 It is true though. Just searching gives you several videos. And it's not just small channels testing this, you have reputable ones like Hardware Unboxed as well.
@@CarbonatedLithium i am going to be very honest iwth you, whatwever hardware unboxed says, is said with arrogance and always feels biased, so i stopped hearing them at the time we are, it is meaningless the difference if any exists, so it is not a problem for me, and ibet that for you, it is a personal decision, not a show stopper
@@arch1107 regardless of having any arrogance, the evidence of driver overhead was undeniable. A low power CPU can push more frames with an AMD video card compared to an Nvidia card. I'm sticking an AMD in my i7 860 machine
I ordered the rtx 3050 to try and it worked pretty well, but the fan noise was crazy trying to keep itself cool inside my sff dell. for the money to performance it kinda seems like the rx6400 is the winner. @BasicDadTech I really appreciate the comparison. Good content.
how does the dual slot gpu fit in there? my optiplex has the gpu slot so far down, there's really not even one inch of space for the gpu.. and especially only one slot for the ports in the back
it's also $500+; for that kind of money you could build a whole Ryzen 3600 and put a used RX 580 or maybe even RX 5700 in it. And you wouldn't have to worry about crappy space limitations.
