Best OS for programming? Mac vs Windows vs Linux debate settled 

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I love jetbrains I suggest you make in depth videos about their awesome tools

Can you make a coding for dummies book?

Yea, if you ignore the AI crap, its a very good IDE (I'm using Rider & WebStorm)

Jetbrains offer some of their software for the price of 0 dollars for students and open source developers.

Came here for this 😂

Lmaoooo

for real 🤣🤣

Wtf

Neovim + zellij ftw

It made Terry Davis smile in his grave

🤣 😢RIP Terry, you Re a legend for sure.

yes me too hahaha waiting for TempleOS… worth every second

can someone explain the joke for me, what's up with templeOS? EDIT: just went through its rabbit hole; wtf.

@@bajau7713 It's made by GOD himself, so how can it be not the best OS ?

Jokes on you because in about 2 more weeks, programmers that are replaced by AI will be managed by AI that replaced managers.

I cackled irl 🤣

javascript experience

And you also need a copilot to manage the copilot that manages all your copilots

​@@akissot1402 don't forget, also a copilot to manage the copilot that manages the copilot that manages all your copilots

😂😂😂😂😂😂

RIP Terry A. Davis

It got me too 😂

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who have written their own compiler from scratch, and those who have not.

@@russelloconnell3367 I've written a compiler from scratch in college once upon a forever ago but I damn sure haven't written an operating system from scratch in assembly because a deity told me to

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You clearly aren't fighting enough . . .

@@machio_ yeah there are a lot of public KMS servers that lets you activate your windows and office

Based on the conclusion of thr video, you're neither rich nor you have a girlfriend.

kms tools

HolyC

maybe if you're a schizo too

If programming is your only goal then yes.

Nah man punchcards is the norm

unmedicated schizophrenia is a hell of a drug

i got as long as i have github student.

dont reveal the secrets.

​@@aliasad9903for real

Jetbrain ides look really good

Your username is perfect

After many attempts, I have finally managed to get my system to run from a nix flake. I feel as though I am at the pinnacle of system configuration, staring down at all the normies running arch installs below. Whats a Gentoo? sounds like a waste of cpu resources. If nix configurations can be likened to distros, then I have the power to build an entire distribution from a single short command. All my settings, my apps, my 6gbs of lutris & steam... they can all be installed from a single git repository on any computer of my choosing. I... No, We have reached the elevator to Olympus and sat upon the seats of the Gods. No one man should have all this power.

Gentoo is better. Its the OG meta distribution.

@@LabiaLicker As with everything in computer science, more simplicity comes with less control. For example, Python is simpler than C but slower to execute. For my part, I want to work with my PC and not spend days optimizing my system.

@@jjm8907Nah Gentoo can be just as simple as Arch. Its just that you have far more freedom to the makeup of your individual system. This notion of having to spend days optimizing your system is not based in fact.

@@jjm8907 You spend the days to optimize your system to get it working very well, after that you're done and can keep going on with your life. Gentoo is the end-game. NixOS from what I've seen is a joke.

Just to mention T R Larry's use Linux to develop TempleOS in the old VMware virtual machine.

Preach !

@@CompuB1t So GOD created the world uh I mean Temple OS using GNU/Linux ? What does that make Torvalds / Stallman

@@nu1x and even more using Ubuntu 😂 You can actually see on his posted videos. But makes some sense because there's is no other easy way to develop and test an OS than using a virtual OS.

@@nu1x Everyone knows that God uses LISP and then Perl to stitch it all together.

I was waiting for a TempleOS mention and wasn’t disappointed :)

@@mikerigley1 same, terry is just an absolute legend, i was almost disappointed until i wasn't lmao

I know nothing about coding and a few days ago I've had gpt building a windows application from nothing. It's slowly going, only problem is it still sometimes gives me code that's for other stuff that I don't have. I've learned to ask "are you sure this works with electrion ect?" everytime. If I can build a personal complex application from scratch with 0 knowledge beforehand with only a few issues then gpt 5.0 or something near is literally going to allow tech illiterate to do so. Just my opinion from someone who isn't in the coding sphere or whatever. The only code so far I've manually typed was font size in css as that was easy too understand 😂

@@jackoverton8343 yeah the problem is that if GPT can’t fix a bug you’re cooked.

He's not a doctor but I'm sure he can engineer something

I read it with his voice 💀

I don’t get, can someone explain it to me please 🙏

@@act0r399 big bang theory reference

@@act0r399 He's the character known for making sexual innuendos and being a general creep. He also thinks he's the rizz god, but has less game than a hunter in antarctica.

i use ubuntu on wsl, every 3 days i have to reset it since it gets struck on boot in its little terminal window

You sound like a liberal complaining about all-in-his-head problems about his country

@@oksowhat skill issue

What are you talking about? I've been using WSL as my dev environment (with vim and then nvim, not that vscode crap) for three years. It's honestly getting better and better.

Tried WSL because I’m too much of a pu$$y to ditch Windows outright, and found it too quirky. There were little things that just didn’t resolve correctly for whatever reason.

"JetBrains integration is so smooth" is a pretty common them tbf.

FreeBSD is actually goated in some aspects but unfortunately software compatibility will hold it back forever. i know a few BSD devs that run Debian to write code for BSD.

I gave it a try for a few weeks, really didn't see the appeal of it over Linux. The cons outweighed the pros IMHO, though I would use it before switching to Windows or Mac. More adoption and software support would be huge win, but this is the classic chicken/egg problem.

@@skolariicurrently FreeBSD has more software than Linux systems. We can also run Linux binaries thanks to ABI compat layer.

@@ForeverZer0 sony built the entire Playstation OS from FreeBSD, and it can pretty much run a AAA Game with Ray Tracing, and can handle millions of polygons with ease, and they basically suckerpunched Xbox which run Windows under the hood it's just mindblowing, a tiny company can chased away a Titan and actually Win against them

I haven't completed my nixos config yet.. don't make me switch to freebsd...

is this really a question

Can’t it be Windows with WSL?

​@@rcdmrlwindows is really too shitty, and wsl as a lot of restrictions

​@@rcdmrluhhh... no, I mean you still have the downsides of emulation, native hardware is just better

@@rcdmrl it should be the other way around, Linux with KVM/QEMU Windows VM.

Had a similar experience with Mint, but now I'm rich so as the flow chart predicts I use MacOS

I am using fedora nowadays because it is extremely compatible with scientific software. But my first Linux was mint. I recommend it for everyone that wants a Linux that just works. Pop OS is also cool

tbh no linux configuration, not even arch or gentoo encourages or forces you to write your own drivers lmao.

@@nikhilchouhan1802 minimal-linux sure does.

​@@vidal9747What kind of scientific software?

The same thing i was thinking about after seeing introduction video of openai

the only voodoo-free OS I've seen

What about throwing away all of them and dive into good old DOS? DOS running on PC is the closest thing to TempleOS (at least for being Ring-0)

why would you use all 3 regularly? just wondering...

​@@kryptomaniac4946I do the same: -windows for my home pc where I play some games and use Adobe software -MacOs for my job -Linux (Kali) for uni on a separate ThinkPad

The only software to resist the CIA glowies

Actually they build a framework which can be used to make their own OS

Temple OS

nah that shit weak, i wanna see os IN scratch

You meant to say "in scratch", right?

True

Exactly lol

Having trouble running a game on Linux: Have you tried proton with this flag? Having trouble running a game on Windows: Have you tried buying a new pc? Windows no longer supports your 2 months old pc.

lol true. Also Macs can play games through Whisky, but any time you ask for help with games on Macs, people always tell you that you shouldn't be playing games on a Mac. Like sorry, I just wanted to do some light gaming on my $1k+ macbook sheesh

@@askeladden450 Try to play old GTA games on modern windows with no fix mods (impossible)

Proton is actually wildly good

1 : don't, just don't. WSL is far more unstable than anyone seems to admit. 2 : no OS should take a minute to POST on any hardware. I just got a Win11 pro VM to run usably on a gig of ram and a monocore and it still went from complete shut down to desktop in like 30 seconds. Granted that was with debloating, but any linux distro should boot basically instantly on modern hardware unless you're using LUKS or something which can delay boot by a bit. 3 : distrobox is a thing? As are VMs? Citing WSL wrt this is just weird, especially since it only really is even servicable with CLI tools, where distro version shouldn't even really matter, especially not on a user machine, and anything where you absolutely *_need_* that specific distro exactly, WSL couldn't satisfy because it's not a 1:1 version of the distro. The main difference between distros is presets and packages, unless you're specifically testing if something works on a given distro or something you really shouldn't need to change them, like, ever. And if you *_are_* testing app compatibility then WSL can't do that because it's not the 'real' distro. For that work you'd need VMs, which can still be basically instant no matter your hardware since you can save & restore their state.

​@@felixjohnson3874 Could be just me but I use it as my day to day production environment and everything seems fine so far. I run AMD setup with 4x32gb so POST time is noticeable and even if I could save just 30sec time staring at blank screen it is still worth it to me. And I need to support legacy SW that requires certain packages that would otherwise cause conflicts so just isolating them in separate instance is a win to me. And also "only serviceable with CLI" does not really hold in 2024, with good x11 server you can run just about anything as good as it would run under native linux.

@taqial-faris6421 unless the newyear got moved to the start of may and microsoft released a complete rewrite sometime in the past two weeks, no it's really not usable for anything except small once offs. And, again, even if it were, these things already exist with far more stability, far more documentation, and far easier management on linux natively. If it's even a remotely modern device and has virtualization acceleration then you can save and restore VMs in their exact last state in a matter of seconds. I had to completely remake my borg repository like half a dozen times because of how many times a basic bitch ubuntu instance got completely hung. And thats ignoring the filesystem inconsistency and the fact that it even corrupted that external drive on a fucking filesystem level, leading to undeletable phantom files. Again, it can save you in a pinch, but I'd consider going as far as calling it 'stable' not just overselling it but a flat out bold faced lie and I use Nvidia, Wayland, several Arch derivatives that pull from the stock repos, make liberal use of the AUR, etc. That is my bar for 'stability' and Windows/WSL is so far underneath it they can't even see it.

True. If I was rich I’d see it as “sweet I make enough money from interest and dividends to live off of so I have time to dick around on Linux”

It should just have been "Do you need to make Software for Apple Devices", otherwise there is no way I'm getting their pos hardware

@@Shepper99 Their recent hardware is really good, albeit not upgradable. I'm not a big fan of macOS, but I'd be happy with an Apple Silicon MacBook running Asahi Linux, for example.

macOS doesn't really lock you into Apple unless you let it. As a developer it's if you buy all the other products (phone, headphones, watch, etc) and use iCloud heavily that you're locked in.

@@ArthurKhazbs "Really good" is a hard overstatement, their new M3 CPU series is still 8 years behind in performance and the mac book still costs 2k

3 minutes here - I thought I was early!

@@asdasdaee2232aw fuck

Probably because backslashes in Windows are almost irrelevant these days. Nearly everything accepts both forward and backslashes.

I develop on Windows and I also forgot Windows uses different slashes. I blame Git Bash. It gives me 99% of the convenience with 0% of the hassle.

Same here Kali and windows

Got to dual boot so you can play video games. It's the best of both worlds, work in linux play in windows.

you can avoid dual booting if you use qemu (or another hypervisor), I used it a while ago when I wanted to play a game that isn't wine-supported or is a bit difficult to setup on Linux/Wine, like "steamworks fix"

I mean there is little reason to ”move back to windows” if you are already inside it. You would be moving back to windows without wsl, or simply: you would stop using wsl.

I just started using pop os, i think it's better than Ubuntu

Best of all worlds. Apple is not even an option anymore, too much hassle with their own cpu etc. Linux is best for servers but that's it. Too many restrictions and too much work to keep going. Soo we get the use the best of the bad. Windows..

I wish Affinity would be available on Linux.

@@MichaFita totally agree

you have to upgrade to WSL2 and configure to use systemd then no breaking

Works on my machine

WSL2 is also crap, might as well just use VM

Yup, tried running neovim on both wsl and windows, never worked properly. Been on linux ever since. Installing other tools and packages id also such a pain

I agree with the dealing with Windows around your Linux, and that's the part I like. I just can't get used to Mac lack of windows visibility and Ubuntu which is the most Windows-like is still pretty bad UI idk

Git qemu/kvm gpu-passthroued virtualized.

Until you have to develop on a laptop and your battery goes from 100% to 0% in 45 minutes.

@@okie9025 not the case for every system, in my case its at least the same as windows, running a vm i agree more, battery consumption.

@@okie9025 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YE431SYO2Is.html

@@okie9025 how to fix battery life : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YE431SYO2Is.html

thank you. i sometimes run my firewall on OpenBSD but my file server is FreeBSD, and now... i am toying around with NixOS everywhere.

I'd rather just have a container orchestrator and run my web apps and servers on top of that.

Thanks I didn't know about that!

Because Casually Explained usually drops a humorous nonsequitur in the final second to close a video.

WSL is awesome, but before it, virtual machines were essential tools. I remember in 2012 using a windows laptop (upgraded with more RAM and fast SSD) to run VMWare Workstation with MacOS, to develop for iOS. Worked amazingly well for my use case.

@@soonts… or having to deal w/ VirtualBox. It’s all great software, but overhead was so much (both CPU/Memory and your time). Then we tried to abstract it away with Vagrant to orchestrate the VM’s consistently, then Puppet to provision them consistently, etc… so glad WSL2 + OCI (containers) are a thing now; dramatically simplifies things and speeds them up, too!

@@soonts VirtualBox was my go-to tool for that.

​@@soontsFun fact: WSL2 is simply a hyper-v Virtual Machine with some drivers to access host resources like the filesystem, the GPU and so on.

embrace, extend, extinguish... good job being brainwashed by M$

or as saint Terry used to call him...

That's what I have been using😁

My personal distro of choice, though sometimes I think about switching to Fedora Silverblue

​@@akeem2983 Familiarize yourself with OSTree & rpm-ostree and then consider it.

Yeah, I'm using the KDE spin, not immutable

@@akeem2983 Familiarize yourself with OSTree & rpm-ostree first, then go for it.

I tried that on the same phone, but docker was just way to slow without pKVM.

Said no one ever.

@@InhalingWeaseli hope you get another bluescreen.

@@BeTechAware In all fairness I've been using Windows since 95 and playing around with Linux since 2007. I can count the number of times I've had BSOD on both hands. Linux on the other hand has been a nightmare to deal with. Especially when it comes to drivers on laptops.

@@InhalingWeasel because you are a noob.

@@swarupbhc a noob who doesn't spend days troubleshooting his rig after some dependency fucked up

WSL2 is so nice. Pretty much the best of both worlds

Linux with Steam ProtonDB is quite decent now days, most of games in Steam work and even AAA titles like Cyberpunk or Fallout series runs virtually the same as in Windows

Use a VM to distro hop and explore Linux.

Just remember not to use linux on laptops.

Why?​@@okie9025

@@okie9025 Linux is actually great on laptops, it's just power management can be a pain in the ass.

@@okie9025 H8ter. It's no different on a laptop than a desktop. Except you can run a recent linux with up-to-date security patches on low power hardware that you can't with windows.

you can develop ios also in windows visual studio has full support for

same here bro

@@adriancoanda9227 I doubt you can program swift in that god awful IDE

@@roccociccone597 vs code is superior in everyway to that garbage. Sadly, i had to install it inorder to make windows app with flutter :(

@@hamadaelwarky3640 Vim, NeoVim, Helix are my go to.

Stupid comparison, whole OS is more of a multitool than just scalpel. Its like asking multiple doctors if they want all needed, and some extra tools for their job in one chasis which can be easily modified but is cumbersome, or do they prefer limited tool which can cover much less of medicine related tasks, but is easier to use and pushes on you GUI to activate certain component

@@avarise5607 In some sense I agree with you, comparison might be not as illustrative as I thought. But I still believe that depending on the type of a developer you are affects your choice of OS. Gamedev on linux? Of course not, as well as gamedev on mac (if we are talking about PC gamedev). Game developers use windows in 99% of cases. Server administration - of course Linux. Can you see what I mean now? There is no OS which can fulfill needs of all different kinds of developers. However, to be objective, it's necessary to mention that some areas of development are independent of the OS, for example AI or web development.

Holy C is the only programming language we need.

Have you tried Biebian? That and Uwuntu are my go-tos for a good dev box.

Linux needs god so virtualize Linux inside temple os

I don't have enough brain cells to use TempleOS 😆

I can't, temple os compiles the kernel and compiler in like 5 seconds compared to 5 hours for linux

What thing did you need that home edition doesn't provide?

@@Zerahu A good menu for creating new users and assigning roles. The normal menu that you'd find on Google does not exist in Home. And Hyper-V for MiniKube. It's possible I just messed up, I can't really find the specific menu that *wasn't* there, but I found the cursed one. WIN+R control userpasswords2 to see it. Took like an hour to undo the change and make me a normal user again, and then I had to reinstall Docker to assign myself to the Docker group again.

@@Zerahu Disable updates

@@Zerahu IE 5.5 SP2

I also game on Linux ✌️

Hope this is a joke, otherwise i am sorry for you!

my condolences

Omg poor thing

bruh i started like that , keep it up tho

@@no_name4796 did you hear about termux that lets you rock a full Linux desktop os without flashing ? best experiences y had with kali nethunter it is doable well y have an s22 ultra 12/512GB and before that an s20FE it really works on native speed if your phone has enough power and with the ability to dock the phone you won't notice that you are on a phone 4 monitors keyboard mouse and you are good to go

vscode is good too

They are good, but I just use VS code, less space occupied in my machine.

i use neovim btw

@@dagoberttrump9290 2024

@@xshady2967it’s a good free alternative but lacks many of the features a fullstack dev usually needs. It’s a great lightweight editor when you don’t want to open a whole project though.

What feature ?