Neo 2T. outstanding performance, power and cadence accuracy, rapid power response within 2-3 seconds, which is amazingly useful in Crit racing in Zwift. instant connection to the computer or cell phone through Bluetooth, and have tried Garmin and Wahoo HR monitors with it. has never dropped a signal on zwift or lost the connection with my HR monitors. very accurate cadence data, which I think is because it has magnetic technology and doesn't show slippage on steep climbs like flywheel technology. It has the road feel option but I don't use it so I have turned it off. You never have to calibrate it because of its magnetic technology. I highly recommend it. I used to have Wahoo Kickr, which after using Neo 2T I will never switch to Wahoo again.
Very happy with the new NEO 2T. Trainers have come a long way the last 5-6 years. I am sure less does it - but its a joy to ride and motivating that its so easy to use.
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Me too, 40K km in 2 years cca. , perfect trainer ;-)
I switched from Suito to Kickr Core and found the fly wheel difference to be massive. When you approach a hill on the suito, it feels like you are hitting a wall. The bigger flywheel on the core makes gradient changes sooo much smoother. For intervall training, the suito is alright though
I agree with you, my original Kickr 15 died and I switch to a Suito. Thinking about trying the Direto XR with the Rizer when it comes out. Also takes about 20 min of warm up for the Suito to get accurate.
Good reviews all around. The Kickr Core is amazing bang for the buck. Excellent road feel even with the smaller flywheel, accurate power readings compared to my power meter, and 6 months and 3,000 miles later it’s extremely reliable. If your bike has a 12-speed cassette, you’ll need to buy a cassette and adapter no matter which trainer you choose. I also liked the Kickr Core because I wasn’t spending money on a cassette I would replace anyway.
Comment 1: That's a great review of the Kickr Core! I recently discovered a new project called the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike and it seems to have some outstanding features too. It offers dual modes for indoor and outdoor use, and one of the most impressive features is that it can be charged while in indoor mode! It also has a powerful motor, reliable performance, and even an IPX5 waterproof finish. It's definitely worth checking out if you're looking for a versatile and innovative e-bike. Keep up the great content!Comment 2: Thanks for sharing your experience with the Kickr Core! It's always helpful to hear positive reviews. Speaking of great products, have you heard about the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike? I stumbled upon it recently and it seems to offer some incredible features. The ability to charge the bike in indoor mode is truly remarkable and convenient. Plus, with its powerful motor, suspension, and puncture-resistant tires, it's designed to conquer any terrain. I think it's worth looking into if you're in the market for a versatile e-bike. Keep up the good work on your videos!
I found a new project that you might be interested in! Have you heard about the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike? It offers dual modes for indoor and outdoor use, and the most outstanding feature is its ability to charge when you're in indoor mode! The brushless 750W motor provides impressive speed and power, while the suspension and puncture-resistant tires ensure a smooth ride in any condition. And with its Smart Saddle Detection+ feature, you can effortlessly achieve your fitness goals. Plus, the eBike allows you to recycle energy generated during indoor rides to cover CO2-free miles outside. It's an eco-friendly and versatile option!
Hey there! I just came across a new project that might interest you. Have you heard about the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike? It seems to offer a unique blend of fitness and technology. The outstanding features include the ability to charge the bike during indoor mode and the Smart Saddle Detection+ feature, which provides valuable performance insights and keeps you motivated. Plus, with its ability to convert the calories you burn during indoor rides into CO2-free miles for outdoor rides, it's designed with sustainability in mind. Definitely worth considering if you're looking for an e-bike that offers a versatile riding experience!
Hey there! I stumbled upon an exciting new project called the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike. It sounds like a game-changer, combining indoor fitness and outdoor exploration like never before. One of its standout features is the ability to charge in indoor mode! I'm really impressed by the Morph eBike's brushless 750W motor, delivering an impressive 80Nm torque and reaching speeds of up to 20mph. With its Smart Saddle Detection+ feature, you can effortlessly track your performance and stay motivated during indoor and outdoor rides. And the best part is that it allows you to make a positive impact on the environment by converting your calories burned into CO2-free miles for outdoor adventures. Super cool, right? Can't wait to try it out!
Yep, I'm considering buying the Tacx Flux 2 (the rational choice), but the "NEO" drives me nuts, all the amazing specs and it's foldable, that's a major win for me as I don't have that much space! Nice review of these trainers, thanks!
In the end, I bought the Kick Core. I'm surprised by the silence! The most prominent sound is from the chain, as I have to fine tune it. I terms of responsiveness and power, I'm really happy with it... But It's my first trainer ever, I don't know how to compare it. 😉
I've grown pretty bitter with Wahoo. Have a kickr that is damaged. Tried to repair it and requested information on it. Someone from their support team basically acted like an 8 year old being incredibly rude to me. Never been treated that disrespectfully by another person before. They have hidden the spec sheets to earlier models, mine is from 2018. Can't find them online without help from their support and since they're intent on dehumanizing me I guess I have to buy a brand new smart trainer. Probably going to buy a Tacx from Garmin.
Is the Saris H3 compatible with the Elite Rizer and is the connection responsive enough when not using an Elite trainer? Couldn’t find info anywhere!! Thx
@@bricesechrist6438 I have two chains that I swap every month. I usually ride 6-8 hours per week on Zwift or outside. Molten Speed Wax says 350 miles or 200 to double chain life. I could probably stand to do it in quicker intervals.
You did not mention that the KICKR has to ability to bypass the wireless connection and connect wirelessly to your computer. This is not yet supported by Zwift but is supported by other training apps. This bypasses the annoying dropouts that can plague you at the worst times. I think this is a game changer for those who train/race seriously. I upgraded my KICKR just to get this feature. Hopefully Zwift supports this feature soon.
Love the information in this video. On an unrelated note, I don't know if I'm hearing this wrong, but it sounds like this presenter is saying the letter H then 'free' instead of three.
It's wise to point out that all smart trainers need regular Maintenance. Tacx Neo 2T was billed as a "maintenance free" trainer but bearings need to be regularly replaced as with any smart trainer.
Great video. Some of your viewers, like me, may still be riding vintage steel bikes with 126mm dropouts. I am not aware of any interactive, controllable smart trainer that works with 126 mm dropouts except for the Kinetic Wheel-On Controllable Trainer. You could force spread things to fit the 130mm dropout size several of these trainers support. Or you could go all out and cold set your drop outs to a wider size. But for those who don't want to "mess with" their cherished vintage steel frame bike, the Kinetic Controllable Trainer is a viable option. I have been using one on Zwift for one and a half years. Very sturdy and no complaints.
question for me is, should I buy now halfway to spring when I can ride outside, or wait until autumn when prices might have come down more/new products on the market?
I was thinking the same thing but I really don’t want to be behind physically come spring. Thinking of buying one now to be in shape and take advantage of a full cycling season.
The "-T" in Elite trainers' names means there's no cassette included, so if your Suito-T came with cassette pre-installed, it must have been some tester's version. However, Suito without the "-T" comes with a cassette (as well as about 55 USD higher price tag, which just matches the price of included 105 cassette).
Hot tip: save yourself from headaches & spend more on a smart direct drive trainer. Don’t buy emotionally and read and watch a lot of user reviews online. Save save save, then make an informed decision!
Having owned the Elite Direto XR I found that the change in power when it hits a climb or a drop is way beyond what you feel on the road, and nothing like as smooth as it should be. It feels like it knocks down 3 or 4 gears as soon as it hits a gradient, and that comes straight in. This is not normal and can make using it really annoying. Nowehre near as smooth as the Wahoo.
After trying and owning two: if on a budget and as an extra: flux s (2900s) or elite xr. For the best experience and also for full indoor riding: neo 2t or wahoo kickr v5. Kickr core or flux 2 are best of both worlds but you might up ending thinking about the 200€ that would have led to the gold standard of indoor riding
{{3}} Sounds interesting! I've been looking for a versatile e-bike that I can use both indoors and outdoors. The freebeat Morph 2-in-1 e-Bike seems like a game-changer, especially with its indoor recharge feature. The brushless motor, impressive torque, and top speed of 20mph are definitely appealing. The 80mm front suspension and puncture-resistant fat tires also ensure a smooth ride in any condition. And let's not forget about the Smart Saddle Detection+ feature that helps with fitness goals. Overall, it seems like the Morph e-bike offers a perfect blend of fitness and technology. Can't wait to learn more about this innovative e-bike project!
The resistance while drafting doesn’t change. When drafting, your speed increases for the same given power input (simulating what happens when the resistance lowers), so you can pedal with less power and keep the same speed when drafting.
Hi Trevor, our tester found the Suito matched Garmin Vector 3 pedals well, in terms of power accuracy. You can read the full review here; www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/indoor-trainers/resistance-trainer/elite-suito-review/
@@markstone722 i was thinking of getting a flux 2. What kind of issues are you facing with it? Would you recommend I rather go with kickr core or elite instead?
Which one is the best sensation/noise like real street? I'd like to buy a tacx neo 2t but in the videos it's seems to be not realistic noise. Please let me know Thanks
I have the Tacx Flux S. The belt is realy noisey. I got a new trainer under warranty and the new one is noisey too. And its not stabile. If you ride close to 1500w its close to tilting.
A BIG factor for me, is how durable and thus how reliable the trainers are. I Really like the Suito for the price and many reviews are great, but from reading on forums many people seem to have issues with it. I'm doubting between the Kickr Core, Elite suito and Directo XR and I can't figure out which is the most durable and what brand has the best customer service and warranty!
Hi Robert, Simon here - I've been using an Elite Direto XR for over a year now and haven't had any issues, so I'd say its long-term durability is absolutely fine. That said, I also know friends with Kickr Core's who have had similar experiences, so there's probably not much in it. Thanks for watching!
I'm on my second Wahoo trainer. I upgraded from a Wahoo Snap to a Kickr. They make great products. My son now has the Snap and it's still going strong.
Elite suito is not repairable, it was indicated by the manufacturer himself, I had such a machine, after 2 thousand km problems began with it, there were some clicks, then it turned out that this machine underestimates watts by 35-38 from the dzero quark
What I want to know is how do they rate on the perceived effort compared to riding outside. I currently use an H3 and I have to pedal much harder on it to achieve the same speed that I ride at outside. Is this just the nature of all indoor trainers or am I missing something on the setup of the trainer?
I don’t get it - you claim Elite Suito and Wahoo Kicker Core to be one of the quietest trainers with levels over 70 dB, while Flux S is at 60 dB, so it is 10 times quieter. Even the cheapest Tacx Flow is at 68 dB. Or am I missing something?
That 105 cassette is a horrendously noisy choice for those super quiet high end trainers and not much of a bonus if you have an incompatible drivetrain. Put a red axs cassette on there with a clean chain and your drivetrain noise on even the quietest trainer will become background again.
Do you mean the cassette that comes with the Suito? The video says it comes with 105 but mine came with a Sunrace cassette, and it was horrible!! I swapped for an Ultegra cassette and it’s pretty good. Ultegra cassettes are the best IMO when you factor in cost. I’m sure the Red AXS cassette is amazing but they cost almost as much as the trainer! haha. Clean drive and wet lube is my go to. Oh and turn the music up.
I tried an indoor trainer for a season and found it inhumane... So i picked up a mountain bike w winter tyres and now ride outside year round.. Prob cheaper too
@@xyzxyz7947 The Volt is truly whisper quiet, it's stable (feet arms fixed like the core), very easy to setup, all you need is in the box, and connections to it have been rock solid. Yes, you're also not paying the "I've got a Kickr Core" price. Power numbers are accurate, elevation changes are quick, ride feel is good. Only downside is the Android App, but I only ever use it to do firmware updates and spin calibs. Random plus, it makes to the shade the colour of my Ribble custom paint job.... ;)
@@saintuk70 Thanks for the detailed response man. I agree that the price premium for the core might largely come from the brand aspect. I'm buying this in India where this market is new and there's not much clarity on which company offers the best after sales service. Thanks for your help :)
I almost bought a wahoo kickr 5 two days ago until I found that it's not compatible with my giant tcr advanced pro disc 2021, the shop had no through axle adapters in stock..! I suppose I could use my cannondale synapse but I prefer riding my tcr, good informative video though thanks 👍
Hi - did you find a compatible trainer? Have the same bike and shopping around for a direct drive trainer atm. Also need to buy a 12 speed cassette so the trainers that come with cassettes don't make much difference to me
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ru-vid.comUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
1:01 - resistance WILL BOT be easyer, "when rining in a groop"... Your speed in zwift will be faster, so you will have to put less power to the pedals. But resistance as it is in not changing.... Video stars from a mistake on the first minute. "Impressive" pros...
As a male ebike user and after browsing through the video, I stumbled upon an exciting new project called freebeat's Morph 2-in-1 e-Bike. This cutting-edge eBike caught my attention with its revolutionary indoor recharge feature. The brushless 750W motor and impressive 80Nm torque promise an exhilarating and powerful riding experience. With its 80mm front suspension and puncture-resistant fat tires, I can confidently conquer any terrain. The Morph eBike's Smart Saddle Detection+ feature provides valuable performance insights and keeps me motivated during both indoor and outdoor rides. I appreciate the innovative approach freebeat has taken, and I'm definitely interested in learning more about this crowdfunding project!
Comment 1:Hey there! As a fellow male ebike user, I stumbled upon freebeat's Morph 2-in-1 eBike as well, and it truly is an exciting project. The indoor recharge feature is definitely a game-changer, and the brushless 750W motor with 80Nm torque promises an exhilarating riding experience. The 80mm front suspension and puncture-resistant fat tires give me the confidence to conquer any terrain. And the Smart Saddle Detection+ feature keeps me motivated during both indoor and outdoor rides. I appreciate freebeat's innovative approach, and I'm truly interested in learning more about this crowdfunding project. Keep up the great work, freebeat!Comment 2:Hi there! I'm also a male ebike user, and I found freebeat's Morph 2-in-1 eBike to be a fascinating project. The indoor recharge feature is a real game-changer, and the brushless 750W motor with 80Nm torque promises a powerful and exhilarating riding experience. With the 80mm front suspension and puncture-resistant fat tires, I feel confident taking on any terrain. The Smart Saddle Detection+ feature is a great addition, providing valuable performance insights and keeping me motivated on my rides. Kudos to freebeat for taking such an innovative approach! I'm genuinely interested in learning more about this crowdfunding project. Keep up the fantastic work!
If You are buying a new one, Don´t buy Suito. Resistance regulation is odd. A slight uphill and You will get tremendous resistance spike. Also does odd resistance spikes on downhill. Not worth the money. Buy something else.
I have one and clocked a few thousand miles on it with no troubles and resistance is extremely smooth, gradual and no discernible spikes . Maybe you had a dud ?
The Wahoo cassette will not work for everyone. For many it does add to the price of the Neo not having one - but it also pushes you to get the exact same cassette as when you are outdoors. My biggest problem was that its so hard to even buy a cassette today.
@@chrisbayliss3532 It takes me 25mins to dive into the details of just one trainer. 10 trainers in one video is a solid effort. It'd be longer than the Lord of the (chain) Rings trilogy if I did 10 in one video.
The law of diminishing returns comment with bike trainers is absolute bo11ocks, true with bikes though...... Let me explain why, from actual experience..... If you buy a mid range trainer, say from elite, it will either be inaccurate, loud, slow to change power in erg mode, have minimal firmware updates, spindowns, junk manufacturer support, made of plastic, or probably all of the above faults in 1 product. Not only that, but you will spend hours and hours of frustration trying to get something to work out of the box, that will always be sub-standard. It becomes a waste of £500, £600, £700 etc. Spend £1k on a Wahoo kickr (places do 36 months interest free on it), and everything is spot on out of the box, it just works and is smooth as butter. Sell it 2 years later for £700, so really 2 years of training has only cost you £300 and saved you from having wasted £700 on a piece of mediocre junk that just causes you endless hassle and frustration. 👍🏿
When we shot this video Zwift hadn't made a trainer but we have since featured them on the channel. There will likely be a big smart trainer test again in 2024 so keep a look out for that
I use the Elite suito and I am very unhappy with it. The Software is terrible! Update don't work. Calibration, don't works. Speed on the bikecomputer around 600km/h. And on top of this, if you don't use Zwift and want to use the Elite software you have to bay for a abo to use standard smart trainer function as power control, gradient control or following a track! I clearly don't recommend this trainer!
Do you have a wahoo bike computer? There seems to be an issue between wahoo and elite... you pay to use zwift. Or you pay to use elite software. Choose... i think its not that weird.
Noise will not vary with watts. It varies with cassette and or wheel RPMs. I'd think you would have noticed that if you went in depth with these trainers.
@@ChamucoDS hi, yes I do. Garminin has just taken over the company, so looking forward to future software updates. I'm really enjoying the Tacx Flux 2, the only issue I found is that it needs to be calibrated on the Tacx app prior to each ride to get an accurate simulation. It's just about logging onto the app then pedaling for 10 seconds and you're done. If that's not an issue for you then considering the price and functionality I'd highly recommend it👌🏼
Has anyone tried the Tacx Flux S with a 2021 TCR Disc? I haven’t found a trainer yet that is compatible with this bike. My Suito T rubbed on the frame when mounted.
Everything is 4+ and everything is great. Well they got their video views but it is a laughable test. Sponsored by Zwift so they are all good to be used with Zwift. Shit journalism.
