Best Space Navies in Science Fiction 

Signum Magnum easy, all they need is some ice blocks and a boat.

@@carl9022 "some"

Mattias Calvignac yeah, about a few.

Well Star Trek uses many more means of travel too, even more in the new timelines.

Unfortunately, the whole going through hell thing is the reason their navy would never beat a trek or SW navy.

Lol exactly

*Time to kill off the crew before anything else gets to them

Stakes are definitely much higher in 40k

Halo : Slipspace drive is failing ... Turns into proto matter instantly.

*Ship exits the warp, somehow.* "WE HAVE ESCAPED! AFTER A HUNDRED YEARS WE ARE FREE!" *The fleet they were apart of hails them.* "Good you arrived. You were 10 minutes late, what happened?"

mass effect sounds a lot like "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

Galactica: The actual past that could happen again Again Again Again Again Again

@@maevekirkland9452 They all sound like quotes from star Trek.

Halo: how cute we have these giant rings that can wipe out the known universe. So why are you so happy that you can destroy a planet . We can do that with a single bomb so what. 40k : exactly ... Those two where talking about destroying planets with some giant drill and some laser thingy. We both got bombs for that lol. Star Trek &Star Wars ??? What's so funny??? .

Meanwhile the Downstreamers, Xelee, Dr. Who, And Culture looking down at them 🤣

@@John2r1 halo, Is literally nothing compare to trek.

Stellaris Gigastructural Engineering mod: _Keep talk shit_

@@John2r1 only if you realized how bold that is, you realize one federation ship can destroy a solar system.

...are you saying the Space Marines are Romans? ...actually that makes a lot of sense

@@mivapusa the Ultramarines are modeled after Rome at any rate

Basically Rome in space.

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor it amuses me because the Romans did exactly the same thing, turning marine battles into land battles

@@mivapusa Fight what you are best at.

Lord Inquisitor I have a company of my Deathwatch ready and awaiting your deployment command to end this heresy .

NO Inquisitor! Call on titan to rid this foul warp spaghetti! The grey knights shall answer!

Wait! Wait! Wait! Wrong "Imperial"!!!

Well Inquisition hates navy for not helping them in several engagements. Kinda like how British troops on Dunkirk resented the lack of RAF despite the fact they lost many fighters fighting the enemy away from the lines

Also the fact they called an efficient and clear chain of command structure a flaw.

I hate ST but that was pretty good

Not really Borg don't break. Anything non-borg is consumed, even Mechanicus Holiness.

The mechanicus would probably start worshipping the Borg queen as the omnissiah, and then ask her if she wanted to see the pet dragon they keep in the basement. Then the mechanicus would get assimilated, and the Borg would get annihilated when exposed to scrap code. But only after finding a way to turn an imperator class titan into a drone.

@@LARGO125 not entirely. They'd fight her because they'd consider her a false prophet.

@@rhyscallinan4402 Probably a mix of both. The Mechanicus is not exactly unified. So expect a schism.

Apparently 12 times, he kinda succeeded the 13th

@@Guo1234bob fucker cheated

The term is "losing with style"

@@Guo1234bob he really didn't lmao you are delusional if you think pussy abbadon won the 13th crusade

@@Guo1234bob It took him 13 Black Crusades to get something done

I didn't even notice till i read this I thought i saw 30 something min

Yoooo I didn't realize

Welcome to Geek-heaven

There’s so many sci fi factions

Thanks to you i have to open my eyes wide to see it again..

With that profile pic, shouldn't it be *Laughs in flying, heavy armed missile (or rail gun) boat*

I see your cathedral, and raise you a combination of rust, duct tape, engines and artillery.

@@chrisbingley _Trust in the Rust, Baby_

@@dwavenminer My Rokh _is_ my cathedral

DAT RUSTY SHIP OF YOURS MUST BE PRETTY FAST. BUT MY KRUIZER HAZ MOR DAKKA. KAPTAIN BLUD FLAG IZ GONNA KRUMP ALL YA GITZ.

Wrong Minecraft is Warhammer

And a bow with the power V enchantment is a bolter lol.

Logic doesn’t apply here, most of the flaws are subjective and very opinionated. If you want a good breakdown of Halo tech try installation 00

Literally I skipped through this nonsense because most of the flaws on halo felt so inaccurate. At least in halo they try to stick to reality unlike 40k 🙄

@@Eternal_Archgod and that's a problem why?

@@Eternal_Archgod Warhammer is literally designed to be like that. Need warp travel? Hey look, we travel through hell every time we need to go anywhere! Want cool super soldiers? Take children, throw them into fight pits to the death, take the winners and subject them to inhuman amounts of surgical procedures just so that they can die in a few decades (extended lifespan if they’re a named character). Need to maintain your weapon or vehicle? Have fun appeasing the literal machine spirit of said item. It’s not designed to be realistic, it’s designed to be as ridiculous as possible.

@@TmanTheTdog which is why it doesn't belong in a list compared to fleet designs that are meant to be somewhat realistic. Might as well say that 40K universe wins cuz magic. Because that's what it is.

My favorite line from ds9

Quark, son of Keldar!

Me think, no dauhhhh. Make life hell for humans and they act like hell. Um no kidding.

The best line in DS9, and the greatest line of all Star Trek.

@@GyorBox pardon me, but DS9 doesn't come close to having the best lines in the Star Trek universe lmao.

@@jcshaggy Bro, why do you sheep always say this shit? You realize they're doing it as a job, and not protecting a country, right?

I haven't been this mad since spark killed Johnson. That marine was like a father to me!

people that do that make me so angry, if your going to talk about at least get a simple fact like that right

Show hoster's memory.exe has stopped working.

"Yes, noble hierarch, this one right here!"

....but isnt MC's name a reference to "John 1:17" 🤨

If youre cup is a very large pot of coffee then it wouldn't be a problem

@@guntere1004 F for your spelling man

@@Yes-gu2wn sorry but I'm german and that your thing in english isn't the easiest

@@guntere1004 Just think, am I saying you are... or your (as in belonging)

stays for 3hr long mash up oif all the ship videos? I'm thinking about it!

Spire then hits him with 13 nova cannon shots

Vader: Someone call Thrawn.

It makes sense, they clearly understand plot armour so your comment makes no sense 🤣

Ahhhhh that may be true, but they also have script writers to keep them alive! 🤣🤣🤣

They used to - the MACOs

Thanks dude!!

Thank you so much! Interesting to see how three franchises have two entries, while there are scores completely missing.

Thanks you

All of those empires are great, but they all pail in comparison to the Cosmic Imperium(even when put together)!

Where is my venator!!!!

Hahahaha, Cadia is still in pieces...worship chaos mate

@@jamesyap8364 yeah but even the pieces are giving chaos a headache. Space forces of Imperium are Guerilla fighting Chaos occupying forces as we speak. And Roboute Guilman is awake once more so they have a good chance of beating chaos back. In the Dark Imperium books he's already caused entire chapters of chaos to die

@@jamesyap8364 H E R E T I C

I wonder what you will call navies designated near gravity wells

@@matthewvillarde5601 gravy ?

Space is just a big, black, empty sea, with a fuck ton of islands. Seems legit

Underwater? Wavy perhaps?

Space Force... just like we call it now since it has been established. Military names are part of the environment they fight in. Air Force for things that perform combat roles in the air. Army because they are an "Armed Troop/Expedition". Navy is well... naval and has been around for a long time as well. And Marine because they where intended for Beach/Shore combat operations.

I watched a 3h video to still not know accurate results xD

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How about this, because of how the imperium social structure functions. It would be too busy putting down constant rebellions to have time to defend itself from an outside force. The whole empire would just begging for any kind of change. Sith Lord, sounds like an improvement.

@@meoff7602 you obviously know nothing about 40k do you

@@akriegguardsman I know enough to not like it. Let's put it this way. If I had to choose the death or living in 40k universe. I'd choose death. Getting ripped apart by a demon would be a step up from living in the human 40k empire.

@@meoff7602 sorry I thought you didn't Know as much but most of the fanbase would'nt live in 40k

@@meoff7602 if any 40k fan says they want to live in 40k then they are either joking, don’t know much about 40k or they are hoping to live on a T’au planet

That’s actually a really good idea

@@gunslinger1824 Thx.

Or, hear me out, butter all over the fuselage, slide those fuckers right off.

@@JackHGUK LOL

@midgetydeath Yep.

I've always been curious if they could use some kind of plasma enhanced rounds as shield breakers similar to the Rhino tank in Halo Wars.

I think it's more about having multiple and therefore flexible firepower options..... Or just use Lantean Drone weapons

@@robkemp598 I'm always under the Stargate view where every weapons even old tech like projectile weapons have a place and not be reliant on a single tech base. Energy weapons and projectiles should be realistically be included in military arsenal.

Yes, use something effective.

@@oldman747 like what though? The only energy weapons the unsc has for the navy are point defense. Nukes have proven useless, and MAC rounds are the only thing with the power to damage covie ships without being blown up mid flight

That's just the Imperium of Mankind. Necrons at full power with restored Star Gods would destroy practically any sci-fi universe. And even barely functioning they are a horrible threat. They bent science over a table and made it their bitch. Or you could have the Tyranids devour everything and it is heavily implied they have been feeding on galaxies since the beginning of time or they're running from something that's even worse than they are.

😂

That’s cos 40ks number only make sense 10 pints deep

Or a fleet of them

Dude its bad enough that cortana has a halo and hundreds of thousands of giant forerunner robots as well as millions of ai folowing her don't go adding to the list

Well you would have a capsuleer a post human super pilot who dont pilot the ship. Because he IS the goddamned ship. A courtesy of EVE ONLINE

Yea they would still lose against Thrawn

Don’t gellar fields just shroud ships from warp entities, like a form of cloaking device

@@Hankbob_Hillpants They're shields. Demons enter ships easily because of Warp. Gellar Fields project a space around a ship.

Just pray that gellar field doesn’t fail for even a second...

@@jamiehall814 Luckily for most they stay operational. It fails only by sabotage, battle damage, viruses or the rarest time it does. Like 1 I'm a trillion or so

@@rhyscallinan4402 or the plot calls for it ;)

Realistically in the lore though that's only a threat in extreme circumstances. If you're familiar with the lore then you should know about the Astronomican and the Ordus Astropathus. They are highly trained powerful psykers that are trained from childhood just to guide ships through the warp using the guidance of the Astronomican, which is essentially a gigantic arena full of psykers that are all collectively focused unto a single beacon of psychic energy that acts as a North star to guide Astropaths through the warp. The only time that the Astronomican fails is if their is a warp storm or if a very very powerful demon/chaos god directly attacks or intervenes on a particular ships warp jump. And even when this happens all ships have their Gellar fields that, as long as they stay operational, will maintain realspace around the ships protecting it from the warp. Which is how even when ships get lost in the warp, they can sometimes survive for 100s and sometimes 1000s of years. 99% of the time warp jumps are completely safe and mundane, it's just that gnawing fact that there is that 1% chance you become stranded inside mega hell aboard a big depressing boat for a couple centuries, in which case you most likely will eventually go insane that is if the demonic scavengers didn't get you first.

Kishin Asura oh I know what the ladies like

Im sorry it SGTMAJ johnson

@@Cembrovic thanks for the correction

SO BUCKLE UP BOY, YOU'RE ONE LUCKY MARINE

The question is the _best_ fleet, not the most powerful. That means ship design, technology, tactics, strategy, leadership and logistics all need to be taken into account, not just numbers. The imperial battlefleet as of 40k is a shadow of its earlier self. Its personell use equipment through ritual instead of understanding, the manufacturers don't understand how what they are building works, improvement of technology is regulated to the point of being negligible, and irreplaceable dreadnoughts get lost in battle unneccearily. Its in an institutional death spiral that will eventually lead to the collapse of the imperium.

@@ReddwarfIV yeah but a 40k fleet would destroy any other faction on the list

@@cmdrsnowflack9645 The next Star Wars canon can spew out a literal dorito that can straight up delete an entire planet system from a Galaxy away with practically 0 effort. Of course 40k would win if you put it against most other sci-fi series, 40k lore is literally a wank off lmao

@@cmdrsnowflack9645 Too bad the other factions can replace the lost ships. Imperium fleets can only replace the crew.

@@DonVigaDeFierro Incorrect! While the 40k Imperium of man has extreme difficulties creating new ship designs and weapons they do have a LOT of manufacturing resources available as far as existing tech and variations on it go. Sure it takes a long time to build the massive battleships and grand cruisers however there are a LOT of forge worlds and space shipyards working on ships at the same time. Also please note that there are shipyards in 40K that work on dozens of warships at once (the large ones) and hundreds of the smaller variants such as frigates and such. And if you go even lower towards fighters and bombers....well you get the picture.

The Emperor Protects

Joseph Stalin numbers , brother. Shear overwhelming numbers

@Joseph Stalin only in 40k standards they've got the worst equipment last ensign flag on the would probably on par or better than Star wars equipment.

@@jonumine6250 Ironically, CIS droids could potentially outproduce the IG in terms of raw infantry, but they're also one of the few infantry forces that is inferior in 1 on 1 fighting. Add in Lasguns having technically infinite ammo and you have guardsmen that actually feel effective while outnumbered.

@Joseph Stalin Only compared to the ridiculousness they have to fight against. Put them up against any of the other universes space marines annd they will grind them to dust under thread of tank and heel of boot.

I agree...but I did like the yesterdays enterprise uniforms. :)

Kingons develops best in war. Fed better in peace. If there were no peace but constant war... Klingons finaly would win. Because they love war. While peace is a venom to them.

@@p.herrmann4538 LOL! No they don't. The Klingons always have the initial advantage before being outpaced by the Federation's superior innovation potential and manufacturing base. It's literally the source of every Federation victory. Meritocracy is the watchword for the Federation and is largely non existent in the Klingon Empire. You need look no further than the treatment of Worf and Martok for nearly their entire respective arcs.

The star furies are awesome too

Battletech: Hey there, first time here?

Did anyone see where i left that Vorlon Planet killer?

@@druunderwood5602 I think it's right over there, next to Bester's conscience and Ivanova's right to any faith in humanity...

@@seand.g423 Next to Mr Garibaldi's Empties? "Screwy Wabbit "

Agreed, Babylon 5 was a fantastic sci-fi with heavy emphasis on their military.

Best sci-fi TV series ever!

the only full large scale battle was the final one against the Vorlons and Shadows, most engagements were relatively brief and resulted in failure or the Shadows running away. Sheridan never fought Clark's military toe to toe given his need for loyalist ships to turn to his side; the White Stars' engagement with the Shadow-Clark vessels was the only large scale combat in that war.

Yeah it has good races but the fleets numbers are really poor a big fleet of Excalibur vessels should give Babylon and edge. It was a good show. The only race who has the numbers and tech to beat 40k seems to be the Harvesters Independence day.

@@hashujito Actually there is a Sci-Fi fleet that has the tech and the numbers to beat the 40K imperium of Man, The David Weber Imperium/Empire which had fleets of moon sized warships before they fell into civil war. 54 of these ships defeated a fleet of half a million using warheads that literally shattered them as gravity rippled through them randomly

That's because it reality your better off with hundreds of little targets than one big one. When a cruiser has the power to travel faster than light. It has the power to blow up a planet. Battleships would just be big targets that get taken out by super weapons in the first few seconds. No seriously they'd get picked off from halfway across the solar system.

@@meoff7602 how else do I ram an artificial moon?

Pity the Xenos

Local PDF would beat them without much problem

I would genuinely feel bad for the Independence Day aliens should they ever try and invade a imperium of man planet. Even a shitty one. The imperium deals with shit WAY worse than anything the Independence Day aliens have ever shown on virtually a daily basis. They probably wouldnt even make it through the atmosphere, and if they did, wouldnt be on that planet or plane of existence for very long. Now if they went to a planet on the very far reaches of IoM control, with absolutely no military presence (which is basically unheard of, even on some of the worst, unimportant planets in the IoM) they could take it for a bit. Then they would get wrecked by even a single ship that would eventually come around to find out why the planet has gone dark or ceased production

I could give you a short version; Assume a basic planet of the Imperial "civilized" category, the galactic average, if the xenos tried to hit Earth as they did in Independence Day, they would die very quickly. As the xenos travel at sublight through realspace they could enter the system undetected until they got into realspace auspex range (Alpha Legion has done that occasionally). Obviously they would not be allowed to enter the atmosphere unchallenged, and none of that heretical nonsense of trying to communicate with them. They would also not be able to use the local comm satellites, there's too many human buffers in the Imperial vox network. 1st line of defense is the system defense flotilla, basically the same as Naval warships, but lacking warp drives, and rarely anything bigger than battlecruisers, your average system would have a handful of light and medium cruisers and maybe a dozen escorts. 2nd line would be moon bases and high orbit stations, even the lightest is designed to face xenos attack, though firepower varies. 3rd line comes up at low orbit, a crossfire between the lower altitude stations and the ground based anti-orbit weapons, almost every planet has at least a few protecting their vital points and acting as orbital transfer platforms. I suspect the much hyped ID alien shield tech is actually comparable to Imperial void shields, they can take a tac-nuke after all, so the big ones are shielded like Navy warships and their fighters as well as Furies. Their weapons rather remind me of 40k plasma weapons, so that's a pretty fair fight in firepower. In flight however their fighters were only par with an FA-18, so the lascannon armed Imperial Thunderbolt would thoroughly outfly and slightly outgun them. It'd actually be a tough fight for both sides, but I suspect the PDF could hold it's own for a while, and in roughly a week aid would arrive from the sector Navy, and then it's over, those xenos capital ships can take a few A-bombs, I doubt they can take sustained plasma torpedo and nova cannon hits. By comparison Holy Terra is not the strongest of Imperial Fortress Worlds, but it's in the top 10. In the unlikely event they got past the Terra Defense Fleet (no concrete numbers) which would include hundreds of random ships that happened to be in Terra orbit, from the Imperial Fists chapter fleet to armed pilgrimage transports, up next is Luna and the massive Lagrange Bastions at L4 and L5, then the network of dozens of Ramilies starforts, then the orbital ring that circles the planet and connects to the surface by transorbital elevator spires, then finally the surface defenses of the Imperial Palace, a megafortress that covers literally the entire Himalayan mountain range. Then if there are any xenos left they have maybe 48 hours before reinforcements arrive from the Forge World Mars, the Navy Segmentum docks over Jupiter and the Grey Knight Chapter monastery on Titan.

The ID aliens invade 40K humanity? Are you sure you are using the word invade? I think commiting species wide suicide is more appropriate.

Their first response would probably be the Navy going "that is a strange-looking and rather small corvette, it must be of Xenos origin." Then the inquisition would get extremely confused at the alternate history going on in the databases. Then the Adeptus Mechanicus would go insane over most of the technology, while also being extremely confused at the pathetically short range of the weapons, that have to be in visual range to be effective. Then the Emperor would find out about the much safer Faster-than-light technology and die of embarrassment that he had not thought of it himself, causing the Imperium to implode.

@@tiredtortoise3396 nah they would assume that this was dark age of technology ship as it is from the third millinnia as opposed to the 40th and they lost so much history and technology that this would become a holy artifact.

As far as can tell (from what little information we have) fleet wise timelords weren't that good (well compared to daleks, who ambushed them all the time), their strength was more in their time travel abilities and super weapons. Daleks would be interesting to see them look at. Forerunners are OP and could give most scifi factions a challenge, there amoumt of energy and sizes they worked with makes them really powerful and they should be on this list. What are xeelee?

@@charlestownsend9280 [commenting as I edit; this ended up being over 6,000 words, oops lol here we go) Oh, believe me, I know what you mean regarding the Time Lords. However, it is fair to point out that a singular TARDIS is, basically by itself, the sum achievement of a mobile Type II Kardashev civilisation in one semi-sentient, semi-living ship. In the hands of many sci-fi civilisations, a TARDIS would be _an unimaginable game changer_ e.g. the Galactic Empire from Star Wars; if it even had one of these things it'd be a lot more dangerous of course (imagine what the Emperor would do with one, just casually, assuming he worked out how to use one which shouldn't be too difficult as he would probably sense his way round using things) Just imagine the sheer madness of Palpatine with a TARDIS lol I'm very well aware that the true power of the Gallifreyan Time Lords was in their more, esoteric and holistic scientific achievements, their super/hyper weapons (e.g. The Moment) and their general time travel advantages. I totally understand that the Time Lords were seen as near godly by the few space faring species whom (initially) even knew they existed (during the Last Great Time War more would find out, but generally speaking, for a very long time few even knew they were real) The Sontarans were not happy about being ''left out'' of the ''biggest war in history''. Those militant Clone Trooper-Mr.Potato head crossovers were pissed off about the Time Lords even being a thing let alone that they were _so_ hilariously technologically superior. Time Lord science (while a science babble, psycho-jargon mess on the show, fudged to explain away plot devices etc sometimes) is simply superior to basically everyone else's. The Daleks may have surpassed the Time Lords in sheer military achievement and firepower, but then again, as we both know, the Time Lords weren't exactly focused on being militant. They _had_ great power, yet they were more aloof, distant and concerned with keeping a watchful gaze on the ''lesser beings'' of the galaxy. There is genuinely a major inconsistency in the disparity between Time Lord superweapons and their ''conventional'' military means. When Capaldi's Doctor encountered the Gallifreyans outside the Capitol, they seem to use small squads of battle armour wearing light infantry with energy rifles/their equivalent of blaster rifles (in Star Wars jargon) However, it must be assumed that these guys are packing military gadgets that can surpass the average weapons of say, Cybermen, Sontarans, Judoon and others. But clearly, not Daleks. They use light ships clearly possessing repulsorlift technology and they still have a great many superweapons in their Omega Vault's Omega Arsenal under the Capitol. That said, militarily they do seem surprisingly cheap and weak for a civilisation as hyper advanced as they are. The simple reasoning for this, as far as I can tell, as I'm sure you'd agree with, comes down to the budget of Doctor Who itself. In-universe, one could explain the state of the Gallifreyans (not just particularly in the Hell Bent episode etc and others part of it's story arc) as being down to a form of severe stagnation. Even at the height of the Last Great Time War, it'd be fair to regard the Daleks of that era as crushingly more powerful in conventional tactical situations. Arcadia, the 2nd city of Gallifrey, once breached, was considered vulnerable to just one or two standard Dalek drones, let alone the several thousand which sadistically descended upon it to massacre scores of civilians and interspersed soldiers quickly. The mysterious Sky Trenches (400 of which layered over a supposedly impregnable defence over the skies of Arcadia) had never been so thoroughly defeated. Prior to all 400 of the Arcadian Sky Trenches failing in rapid succession (how the Daleks did this, and what the Sky Trenches even are exactly, are unknown; though I have a few conceptual theories I like the idea of), apparently the Daleks had _never_ broken through more than 2 at once. Even 3 together was considered strong, let alone 400. For all of them to fail at once, is pretty confusing, if they were meant to be that good. Generally, I consider them to be some kind of multi-dimensional defence system. "Bigger on the inside" defences, perhaps? Whatever they were, they failed. The apparent consequence of this was that Arcadia was doomed instantly, regardless of whatever defensive action the Gallifreyan soldiers in the streets and manning laser turrets took. Again, I consider this a direct result of a highly inconsistent portrayal of the Time Lords across decades of Doctor Who being a thing since 1963. It hadn't established the real military means of the Time Lords and sort of made it up as it went along especially in the New Doctor Who era post-2004/5 to present. Realistically, the Time Lords _should_ have conventional military means that put the Forerunners to shame. But this was *never* going to be possible to portray in basically any decade you pick from the shows history, including the 2010's. Maybe in this decade they could, but that would then create it's own inconsistency with decades of previous incarnations of the Time Lords. Therefore, I consider it a bit of a mess at the moment. If they decide to show that the Daleks were just exploiting the Time Lords in a bit of a stagnant lull of complacency when the Last Great Time War began, that'd be cool, because it could imply that in aeons gone by, the Time Lords had been through many more prosaic military phases where they bothered to go to town on maintaining a large standing army with high tech warships etc. Perhaps the main argument is that the relatively low population of the Gallifreyans on a universal scale, made them increasingly more concerned with the esoteric and the abstract, to the point that their conventional military might atrophied and stagnated in their part-complacency, part-arrogance and part-justified confidence in their own technological achievements. The Time Lords basically went _so far_ scientifically that they kind of went full circle - by which I refer to the fact that the Time Lords had outlawed magic in the universe as they literally regulated as custodians of time and space (or gatekeepers?) and their science had become so insanely advanced that this in itself began to *look like magic* blurring the lines. They claim to have ''invented black holes'' and rewritten the laws of physics (see a lot of what Rassilon got up to) They could delete a galaxy with The Moment (though were terrified to use her - and I do mean, ''her'', basically because it was a sentient superweapon; think nuke with a conscience) The Moment might destroy the user if it deems them evil; and Dictator Rassilon knew he wasn't a good boy lol Essentially Time Lords are sat in this weirdly OP technological niche which they fully and undeniably did earn via 10 billion years of being a civilisation. They are the more powerful version of the Precursors in HALO, really. That is how strong they are. However, they do kinda ''suck'' when it comes to military means in a conventional sense. Nevertheless, at the start of the Last Great Time War, the Time Lords went into battle with a full fleet of *1 million Battle TARDISes* and yes that is what they are called lol Basically, 1 million semi-living time machines with Eye of Harmony powerplants (a collapsing, miniaturised star locked in a groundhog day loop forever producing practically infinite energy at the level of the combined energy output of an entire interstellar empire in one ''vehicle''; clever) If they had 1 million of these things, and could create more to replace losses, this does imply that in spite of being woefully outnumbered more and more as the war went on (in a linear sense at least, not in the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey sense) then this does suggest a terrifyingly powerful naval might. If that is, we count TARDISes as naval ships. They must have had captains, crews and soldiers. Many were lost. In fact, almost all were lost in battle. And yes the Daleks did ambush the Time Lords a disturbingly large number of times. In a way, this was inevitable. The Time Lords had gotten by on what was basically a total or near total monopoly on the kind of time travel and mastery of time travel they had. The Daleks were improving all the time, but still way inferior to them in most regards, technologically - and yes, this does include in terms of their time travel tech. Dalek time travel, even at it's best, was a cruder, uglier and nastier version of what the Time Lords had. But it did the trick and there were a LOT more Daleks than Time Lords. In fact, it is arguable that there were a LOT more Daleks than Gallifreyans _full stop_ and out of billions of Gallifreyans there might be just a few thousand majorly powerful Time Lords as a sort of ruling elite and subspecies with quasi-superpowers and slightly improved biology. Generally speaking, the Daleks were cranking out batches of ever tougher combat drones at a terrifying rate and even Time Lord prison ships could ''only'' hold millions of Daleks at a time let alone the billions they were multiplying. [1/4]

@@charlestownsend9280 [2/4] When Gallifrey was finally isolated and besieged, the Dalek Empire threw everything it had left at them (10 Billion Daleks on 10 million Dalek saucers) Considering the Doctor genuinely considered 1 LGTW era Dalek drone (in a damaged condition) to be a *literal extinction level threat to 21st century Earth* and that when fully powered a lone Dalek scout can wipe out every military on the planet within a year, that is pretty telling. In all fairness to the Time Lords, they were killing, imprisoning and/or otherwise subduing millions of Daleks as the war went on. But it got too crazy for even them to keep a control of. Considering Time Lords are basically all insanely intelligent superhuman intellects with scary abilities to comprehend staggering amounts of information, and that they are still at school after a full lifespan of a normal human is spent, the fact that *they* were driven absolutely mad by the insanity and uncontrollable chaos of the Last Great Time War, it says a lot about how bad it was. In linear time it lasted 400 years; in non-linear time, it lasted a literal infinity. Every minute of the war, untold millions were being resurrected to fight and die again in the war over and over and over again, ad nauseum, ad infinitum. As the crisis spiralled out of even their control, the universe was more badly hit across all of time and space and the less and less respect the Time Lords garnered from other civilisations. Eventually, they were hated as much as the Daleks, crazily enough. Whereas the fate of a universe ruled by the Daleks seemed to loom, as a gigantic nightmare unfolding, the Time Lords under Rassilon themselves, had essentially gone completely mad. They'd lost everything, even Arcadia. Even the Capitol dome and spires themselves were shattered and on the verge of collapse (though notably, the Capitol was surrounded by literally hills of destroyed Dalek saucers, again showing that those Time Lords were killing Daleks at some rate, somehow) But it was clearly not going their way. Most of their civilisation was gone. It's like the situation with the Forerunners and the Flood in the Forerunner-Flood War, only on an even crazier scale. In desperation and determination to stop the full takeover of the universe (and genocide of all non-Dalek species by the Daleks), the Time Lord Rassilon sought to enact the ''Ultimate Sanction'' - in doing so, attempting to *tear apart the time vortex itself* and in the process, destroying _everything and everyone and even time itself_ as so to claim some ''victory''. In his insanity, Rassilon spoke of ''ascending'' and ''becoming beings of pure consciousness" i.e. disembodied spirits floating in a literally timeless post-universal void, forever. Craziness. Adding to how messed up this would be, is that even if this hideous fate was remotely possible, even then *only* the elite Time Lord sub-section of the Gallifreyans could do it, as far as I can glean from the show. Basically fucking over _everyone_ else. See, this is part of why the Doctor dislikes a lot of the elitist, snobby Time Lords. They are pricks lol It was obviously suicide. Similar to how the Forerunners intended to purge the galaxy of the Flood by starving them of prey using the HALOs - but on a universal scale to stop the Daleks from dominating time and space itself. Obviously both options were horrendous (Dalek only universe/ or no universe at all) You can see why Rassilon and his cronies would be edging towards that idea as they were clearly losing the war conventionally, but yeah, that is where the Doctor stepped in (with the Moment in his hands) Anyway, suffice it to say that if we give the Time Lords credit for possessing a literal million time travelling ships, which can also use weapons if they need to, then that really puts them insanely ahead of most sci-fi factions. The main reason they were getting beaten badly by the Daleks is that the Daleks were obsessed with killing and warfare as their primary driving force. It was their absolute speciality...as genocidal nazi pepperpots in space. Even outside of their armoured shell, it has been canonically proven that the disgusting Dalek mutant inside is surprisingly deadly (one can easily overpower and physically murder or even possess a human sized target; therefore, Humans and Gallifreyans are both vulnerable to even squidgy Daleks outside of their armour, if they can sneak up on them) But against opposition that doesn't have their levels of technology? Well, the Time Lords are hilariously superior. For instance, the Time Lords could just rock up to the Star Wars galaxy, cordon it off in a time lock so that it replays the same day over and over again forever and then miniaturise it and keep it in a necklace on one person's neck. That is how insanely OP the Time Lords are when they are not being beaten at their own game by a far more militant and relentless foe. The Daleks are like that one persistent little shit that won't go away and is always able to come back no matter what you do. Even if one Dalek survives that can be enough to restart their Empire (with great difficulty but there you go) The Cult of Skaro unleashed the Time Lord Genesis Ark (a prison ship) on a parallel universe's version of Earth, casually dropping millions of Daleks onto the heads of 5 million Cybus Cybermen and the human population of Earth. Just 4 Daleks in the Cult of Skaro (let alone before they began releasing the prisoner Daleks) genuinely considered themselves able to take on, beat and destroy all 5 million Cybermen and then kill all the humans. Just four. In fact, they even considered 1 of their number alone, to be able to do the job as they saw it. As long as they have the energy to continue shielding themselves they are basically untouchable. Cybus Cybermen's wrist blasters were absolutely useless (even though the Cybermen were upgrading constantly as they are reminiscent of the Daleks in truth, paralleling their obsession with improvement) However, it was like pest control for the Daleks. A *massive* technological imbalance between them. Daleks are pretty scary that way, because they too always self-upgrade. e.g. if you fire energy beams at them which are so powerful they begin to put a dent in the energy shielding, it will take the Daleks about 30-60 seconds to adapt to the new attack and their shielding will upgrade. If you work out how to use anti-gravity locks and inhibitors to pin a Dalek to the floor to stop it from flying about, it will process the new threat, analyse it, and it'll take a matter of seconds (tops 1 or 2 minutes) to work out a quick fix and start flying again. They are fucking nightmares. Their armour and shielding is wildly inconsistent in the show (even for specifically the LGTW era ''bronze look'' Daleks) but suffice it to say that when fully charged up and able to fly headlong into battle with confidence, they are basically unstoppable. They can literally tank direct nuclear blasts (if their shields are up) Bullets literally vaporise in their energy shielding and thermal shielding, and the ''Ironsides'' Dalek (the one the British painted wartime green in WWII) had been found on British Ascension Island, in a crater in the volcanic rocks. It had fallen through time and space, screaming, into Earth, crash landing on Ascension. So that shows you even a confused and battle-damaged Dalek crash landing into hard igneous rocks, basically at reentry speeds, survived that impact. Daleks are no joke (and clearly that Dalek survived the gruelling effects of reentry, too) It is little wonder that legions of tens of thousands of Daleks flying in neat formations firing their gunsticks, would be a terrifying force too hard for anyone, even the Time Lords, to stop. Realistically, when they are in their fighting peak, very few can really stop them tactically or strategically. I must stress though that this is specifically pertaining to the LGTW era ''Bronze'' Daleks ONLY (and maybe the ugly New Paradigm Daleks too - lol I hate them, the Bronze ones are so much better in design; the NP Daleks are meant to be even more powerful, stupidly - again, I really don't like the ''Power Rangers Daleks'' lol a vanity pipedream by Moffat and Gatiss) Most previous Daleks e.g. Imperial Daleks, Original Daleks etc etc. were *nowhere near as powerful* and would get obliterated by the LGTW era versions. It's like with Cybermen; the later ones are far more dangerous. Anyway, although we barely know how the Time Lords organised their fleets (if they were even called fleets at all; though with a MILLION battle tardises, you'd expect some level of organisation, no?) it could be said a mere fraction of these would be a major threat to most other sci-fi fleets. Time travel just makes them too OP in many situations. I never ruled out time travel being used in a tactical way or even a strategical way, in my original comment; ergo it is clear that this could and really would be a serious advantage in a match up between them and whichever rival. Daleks are sort of an exception because of their ability to take the monopoly the Time Lords had on time travel, away from them (leaving them to fall back on inferior conventional military means, which is a big reason why they began to lose the war) Say the Galactic Empire's Imperial Navy (my favourite navy by the way, for all it's flaws; I'm just so in love with those triangles in space lol love me a Star Destroyer; maybe it's because I'm British or something like that lol IMPERIALS RISE UP :p _sips tea_ ) tries to fight the Time Lords. Yeah, they will detect strange space craft approaching them on scopes and detect life forms; but that'll be about the most they'll get out of that interaction. Before they know it the Time Lords would have done some bizarre shit to them like dropped a black hole on them or something -.-' [2/4]

@@charlestownsend9280 [3/4] It's really just how the Time Lords roll. When able to use their superweapons though? It's not even a fight at that point. Just blue murder. They could just ask the Moment to destroy the entire Imperial Navy and if it didn't backfire on the Time Lords, it would atomise the entire Imperial Navy in, well...a moment (hence the name) The Precursors would LOVE the Time Lords lol (Precursor Neural Physics sound a lot like the insane tech feats of the Time Lords to be honest) Anyhow, the Xeelee are another Type V Kardashev Civilisation whose Empire spanned the entire universe. They have time travel capability (inferior to the Time Lords but I'd reckon superior to the Daleks) in their hard science based universe (the Xeeleeverse series of books by author Stephen Baxter) They have winged seed shaped ships that can travel time and space and are far more powerful than most other ships in sci-fi. Extremely powerful civilisation unimaginably superior technologically. Inhabiting many galaxies simultaneously with a truly universal scope. I kind of see them like what the Time Lords *should* look like as a civilisation. I guess that Stephen Baxter had that in mind? Who knows. I just think they are basically a hard science answer to the Time Lords, in a more realistic depiction, as a serious universe-wide force of nature as a Type V civilisation, uninhibited by the numerical disadvantages the Time Lords have in Doctor Who. However, and at risk of spoilers, the Xeelee were forced into retreat by the Photino Birds (basically, living *time travelling* black holes that eat stars for breakfast and can kill off galaxies by eating them bit by bit) The Xeelee were the most powerful species in the universe and fought in defence of themselves and the ''lesser'' beings of the universe (including a version of Humanity which, while insanely technologically superior to basically any other version of humanity I've ever heard of from any other sci-fi universe, was still a little baby in the universe compared to the Xeelee) The Xeelee are fighting a losing battle and from what I've read (snippets here and there) you basically have to sacrifice an entire system by firing a blackhole at a Photino Bird to stop it, but there are too many anyway...something like that) The peak of Xeelee tech I've heard of is how they open a portal to another universe (fighting a heroic rearguard action against the Photino Birds to allow other species fleeing the universe including humanity to get through it, at terrible cost to themselves; Good guy Xeelee) Their ships look like sycamore seeds/sycamore maple seeds if you know what I mean? Spherical in the middle with two swept back wings? That's about all I know about the Xeeleeverse, as I have not read the books. Seen them in book stores though and meant to get them eventually, just never got round to it. However, *my absolute favourite faction* are the Forerunners. Due to not knowing nearly enough about their navies as I would want and like to know, I can't consider them my *favourite navy* specifically; but I prefer them to even the Galactic Empire. And yes, of course, they are way more powerful than the Galactic Empire. Generally, they are a sort of in between point (between factions like the Galactic Empire and factions like the Time Lords) A sort of halfway house or crossroads to those crazier heights of the Xeelee, Daleks and Time Lords. On the cusp of approaching that level of power, but cut down in their prime by the Flood. I love the Forerunners; aesthetically their ships, architecture and technology is just so beautiful to me. The mysterious nature of their left behind structures and megastructures, their fall from grace etc. It's just classic HALO in a nutshell. I know subsequent media and books has painted a more negative picture of them, but I really think the retconning is missing the point about them and spoiling what they originally were in the first few games. Just my opinion on the matter. Everyone is entitled to their opinions obviously. I just think the original feeling the Bungie Trilogy of HALO games gave, was of a mighty lost civilisation, far beyond either the UNSC or even the Covenant. Then HALO 4 and 5 came along and got a bit too pretentious and arsey regarding the Forerunners and books have really laid into the Forerunners effectively depicting them as arseholes who deserved to fail. I just get this odd feeling from 343i's take on the Forerunners that they were impressive...but stupid. As if, seat warming for humanity to inevitably takeover the Mantle of Responsibility. I never liked the direction that it went in. Hopefully HALO Infinite /HALO 6 will make good on these setbacks and explain this better with whatever goes down on Zeta HALO. The Forerunner Ecumene at it's height of power inhabited 3 million fertile worlds (and this isn't to say that they didn't have military installations on a lot more planets? - unexplained) and their armies numbered in the literal trillions of Forerunner Warrior-servants (that is literally a caste in the way their civilisation regiments itself; they have a formal caste system, reminiscent of the one India in the real world has long displayed) e.g. the Builders, the Lifeworkers, the Warrior-servants etc. Personally I am not keen on that kind of system of caste segmentation of society, and I am doubtful the Forerunners really would work out their civilisation that way; but it's what the books ran with and it's what the games explored in passing. Generally speaking, I just find it a bit too primitive for the Forerunners and I think they'd be a lot more conventional. However, I do appreciate that this could be explained as part of their quasi-religious obsession with the *Mantle of Responsibility* which does make sense to a large extent. Seeing as the Forerunners aren't entirely secular as we know it, and more focused on upholding the tenets of the Mantle (so, they are kinda theocratic if you think about it) and seeing as they are far more militant and dictatorial in times of crisis (see Didact; see Faber) with a ruling Oligarchy of sorts, they are quite unique in a way. Technologically they are hilariously superior to most sci-fi factions out there and especially those in this sort of tier (i.e. a Type II or arguably borderline Type III civilisation at their height) However, the K-scale of energy based evaluation of civilisations, is a little clumsy and ineffective (it certainly wouldn't cover everything a civilisation is; e.g. the Time Lords LOOK like a Type II civilisation but are really a Type V in Type II's clothing lol like on the low down they are technically insanely beyond the Forerunners but look like they are weaker than them and *are* weaker than the Forerunners in many regards, at least in terms of conventional firepower) The Forerunners have 100 km dreadnoughts and plenty of naval firepower. Far beyond anything and all the Galactic Empire of Star Wars can muster (down to the last patrol cruiser) Their biggest in-media *shown* warship is the *Mantle's Approach* i.e. the flagship of the Didact. It weighs 4.7 quadrillion metric tonnes and is several hundred kilometres tall, with millions of units on board. However, most of these are sentinels/machines. That said, the Mantle's Approach is terrifyingly powerful. By itself it'd tear entire fleets of Star Wars galaxy factions to bits. Factions like the Covenant don't even come close. Then again, UNSC Infinity did dent and even hole the armour with it's supersized MAC's (Mass Accelerator Cannons aka giant railguns in space) However, the UNSC Infinity was a result of reverse engineering Covenant and Forerunner tech with the best UNSC tech available, to make a super-ship. But in most ways it'd be swatted like a fly by the Mantle's Approach. By the way, by no means whatsoever is the Mantle's Approach necessarily the peak of Forerunner ship design. It just happened to be the Didact's flagship for a long time. Maybe there were even bigger ships out there in the Ecumene. As for the sheer magnitude of Forerunner combat drones, well...they numbered in the *quadrillions* and genuinely represent one of the most powerful robotic armies/droid/drone armies in all of sci-fi. That is even without the organic soldiers controlling them, themselves numbering in the millions, billions and trillions, galaxy wide. They have immense expeditionary, continental, planetary, limited and total war capability. Across the entire Forerunner Ecumene, there are around 800 to maybe a thousand shield worlds built at the insistence of the Didact, and then there are megastructures like the HALOs and the Arks (Lesser and Greater) Generally speaking, if not for the Flood which overwhelmed them after 300 years of non-stop war, the Forerunners were rapidly approaching being a Type III civilisation with a burgeoning population and growing technological might. It was in their dominant complacency (post Human-Forerunner War, which the Forerunners won at cost), however, that the Flood exploited their apparent invincibility being very untrue indeed. [3/4]

@@charlestownsend9280 [4/4] In fact, the bloody and harrowing events of the Human-Forerunner War had essentially been caused to happen by the Flood and Primordial more specifically, working to herd the humans into fleeing into Forerunner space and then triggering a war between them. The Flood sat back, watched the fireworks, and just waited. Erroneously yet not without justification and fair reasoning, the Forerunners thought the Ancient Human Empire had been ruthlessly murdering entire Forerunner colonies on the outskirts of Forerunner space, as reports of humans glassing entire planets, killing millions of Forerunners, fed back to the Forerunner high command structures and ruling council. This enraged the Forerunner supremacist and elitists in the Ecumene (not all were, but many despised the Humans and saw them as interlopers trying to steal the Mantle of Responsibility away from the far more ancient Forerunners) The Didact was chief among those hating humanity and first to react, launching a massive campaign of retribution against the humans. So began a thousand year war which saw millions die on both sides and yet a final, crushing Forerunner victory over Charum Hakkor, the capital world of the Ancient Humans. Suffice it to say that, while powerful as a Tier 1 civilisation (in the Forerunner's own tiering system for civilisations; themselves considering their own civilisation a more powerful version of a Tier 1 - and placing the arcane Precursors at a Tier 0, the only they accepted was more advanced than theirs; though they destroyed them, apparently) the Ancient Humans stood no real chance against the Forerunners. The Forerunners were just, better and bigger in every way, technologically and militarily. The Humans were insanely more powerful in this era, over 110,000 years prior to the rise of the UNSC, than the UNSC has ever been so far. Think of the UNSC as being far more akin to the level of power of say, the Terran faction in Starship Troopers or something like that, or the Colonial Marines and the faction they come from in ALIENS. Basically, a Type I K civilisation. The Covenant would be a middling Type II and the Forerunners a very, very high Type II if not borderline low Type III (though exponentially superior technologically and culturally, to the Covenant) The Forerunner's own remarkable technological might, sophistication and elegance, made them prime victims for the Flood whom used their own intelligence against them. In other words, the Forerunners were so vulnerable to the Flood *because* of how clever they were. It just fed the Flood and allowed them to snowball out of control into a sort of ''Super Flood''. The nightmarish nature of the Flood is that they can take the full memories and expertise of victims e.g. soldiers, sailors, officers and even Admirals, and even beyond this, take over AI with the Logic Plague. The loss of Mendicant Bias was the beginning of the end for the Forerunner Ecumene; even if the last survivors did partially salvage the situation in the most bleak way possible (by purging the galaxy of sentient life, to deny it from the Flood) Strategically speaking, the Forerunners lost the war with the Flood about two or three decades in, tops (maybe even far sooner) The rest was just an agonising death spiral lasting 300 years. Bit by bit, they lost everything. Untold trillions perished fighting the Flood. 1001 plans tried, and failed. The final resort, being the firing of the HALOs. People call the Forerunners dumb for losing to the Flood but lets face it...almost every faction would lose to the Flood if they got the ball rolling and picked the sufficient numbers, momentum and intelligence to spread over a galaxy rapidly. Eventually the Forerunners ''won'' strategically in the most Pyrrhic way imaginable, with 99.99999% of their entire population either long gone or recently deceased. It was just a matter of time. The Flood couldn't be stopped by conventional means (not even by the Didact's Promethean Knights) after a certain point. There were quadrillions if not quintillions of Flood units dotted around the galaxy in the end. Many of which, being the infected, yes; but many being Flood only forms, independent of a host's nervous system (these were the only ones that were left standing after the HALO pulses, which destroyed the nervous systems of all lifeforms within 3 galactic radii) Obviously, that meant that any Forerunners caught up in this died too (which, was most of the very few survivors after that point) A handful survived, however. I hope we see some in HALO Infinite! P.S - In all fairness though the Forerunner Ecumene did end, it *did* stop the Flood at their peak. No mean feat; even though it cost everything they had. Remember; only 1 Flood infection form landing on Earth would - if not rapidly and cleanly dealt with (''kill it with fire'') - eventually lead to a chain of events which would see the *total extinction of ALL species* not just humanity of course, on the entire planet in between 6 to 12 months as a rough estimate. All it would take is a single Flood infection form to prey on a few people in a rural village and unleash combat forms on the wider human population and at that point it might already be too late. Once any military force is used on them, the moment that the Flood starts taking military units then it starts taking military knowledge and will know a lot more about human military means than the humans will remotely know about the Flood. Within days, cities would fall, hospitals would be...hell on Earth and basically entire armies would collapse and rout as hordes of Flood overrun the countryside. Even if this happened in South America or Australia, geographically more cut off than say if it began in Eurasia or North America, then it'd spread globally within weeks and at that point it's basically game over. Now scale this up to 3 million plus worlds and you can see why the Flood were winning against the Forerunners. Even average joe Forerunners were incredibly intelligent compared to your average human, in-universe and out of universe (and arguably, the humans in the 26th century would receive a better education than us in the 21st, though the humans around at the time of the Forerunner-Flood War were reduced to hunter-gatherers with primitive technology, thanks to their punishment by the Didact post-Human-Forerunner War, in which both of his sons perished) Basically, the Forerunners devolved humanity from a space faring superpower of hundreds of worlds, to cavemen in one generation at the end of the war. Harsh. But in the real world, if the Flood landed on Earth in even a feral state, we'd be so screwed. Nothing we have would isolate and stop them short of mass napalm bombing (or more decisively, nuking) the infected area directly within hours of the first outbreak. If it gets more than a few days to run wild, then I don't think we could stop them (I mean, we, as in the entire human race and all her armies combined) It'd be a nightmare. The Forerunners and Ancient Humans before them (first to be hit by the Flood, were the Ancient Humans) didn't call them, the Flood, for nothing. It was painfully serious and on point as a name for the parasite. They engulf, overwhelm and flood any defensive measures you try. It is like trying to hold back a bursting damn with sellotape. Not gonna happen. Even quarantining a continent (and, how the hell would humanity do that, mass naval blockade? 24/7 round the clock? - not gonna be feasible at short notice really) will not really work because before that could be organised they'd already be commandeering stolen civilian and military ships and aircraft to spread to other landmasses, and yes that includes literally crash landing aircraft in different places or ramming container ships into beaches, beaching themselves and risking casualties to let themselves spread anyway) The Flood are bastards, nearly impossible to stop. Now imagine the Flood with a TARDIS. Oh dear god no lol [4/4]

Fuckin' A!!!!!

Admiral Gender Study was stunning and brave

Scott MUrphy in a galaxy far far away... with thousands of alien species to choose from... let’s be diverse and add a human with pink hair

"The Minbari had the best space navy in Babylon 5" Dude... Just because the Warriors had convinced themselves of it and the Priests would have gone an entire fucking Cycle without checking, doesn't make it true.

Agreed, but was more annoyed at the pronunciation of raszagal's name and the nerazim.

As someone who respects the protoss (and those who play them) I do agree with your point. While I don't play the protoss often, (on account of me preferring the challenge of playing as the Humans) I often see players who play exactly how you have just described above, and it is a very difficult to come out on top with even a newer player.

@@Spartan-ir4zf My arguments was more for how their tech would work as a story/fiction mechanic rather than a game one, but yeah, Protoss turtle strats can be damn sturdy if allowed to fortify. I did not even adress the logistical advantages of having people build structures and other war materiel on other worlds, completely safe from attack.. and then just gating them in for deployment on the battlefield to set up bases wherever. The overall power of their weapons and shield tech can be debated how they compare to other fiction verses... but speaking in terms of logistics technology they're pretty much top tier.

@@toffee6701 Gods, the pronunciation of Tal'darim, Raszagal, and Nerazim made me wince. Edit: But yeah, OP has a point. I don't see how the Pylons and Psionic Matrix are a con.

The way he mispronouced some of the Starcraft stuff bothered me but then he sai "homo-genous" instead of homogenous....Am I being to cranky?

Technically they could do that but the amount of ships needed is unimagnible

You would think so, heck, the Death Star should probably do that.

@@the_corvid97 The death star does see episode 4

@@tiggerbane4325 Does it pull people out of hyperspace? I remember when the Millennium Falcon arrived in the Alderaan system they left hyperspace but that was because they arrived at their destination

​@@the_corvid97 pretty sure it pulled them out early from my memories. But they also couldn't escape once it had them because they couldn't go to hyperspace. It's also why Han had to fly away from the thing and got chased by the ties even after the tractor beam was down.

Actually, the emperor zaps you with force lightning

@@ML-rk2cx Dont cheapen in, force users wish force lightning could do the things psyker powers can.

@@ML-rk2cx that's Master of Mankind to you, heretic.

The Emperor Protects

@@ML-rk2cx Silence heretic, you're false Emperor is nothing

I agree that most of the listed flaws here barely hold up. However, the Protoss ships and navy in general have way bigger flaws, to the point where putting them into the "best" category is a vast overkill. Their ships barely have any armor (and also leave important parts such as SoA's bridge exposed), aren't equipped with point defense systems, while at the same time being way too big to manuever effectively (even fighters), the amount of spinal-mounted weapons on capital ships is unhealthy (you'd need to turn the enitre ship to fire that, but since you're so giant you are barely capable of manuvering...), and on top of that their commanders utilize atrocious tactics, such as putting Carriers on the front lines, completely disregarding the concept of strike groups and putting people like Karax (literal engineer who hasn't seen combat once and has zero combat experience) in charge of the offensive on a primary mission target.

The Reasonable Extremist LOL nerd🤓

The presenters in the video are simps.

@@Zorro9129 I mean, it doesn't take to be a nerd to have common sense.

Exactly, it's weird that they missed the very fact that Selendis is an Executor... smh There are worse flaws than the assumed gender inequality, like the OP mentioned(their ships follow form over function, like a literal art sculpture. While good to look at, it's very expensive and lots of structural weaknesses).

Guess he's thinking a different franchise - Stargate Atlantis.

@The one and only exotic Butters Look at the picture timeline 1:13..That's Admiral Shepard, Apollo 14 Commander and Naval Aviator.

Lol

Jari Heiska But which faction can eat the most space crayons?

Babylon 5: has a much too down to earth feel to stand a chance. If you have only one main author you tend to fall behind on progressive power escalation.

@@bigredwolf6 I think 40K marines are the most colorful, so, they. :)

@@robertmartinu8803 Well, Vorlons and Shadows had planet cracking firepower. The younger races, not so much. I'm thinking Halo humanity would be closest to EA, sans lasers, and no forcefields.

funny, the space marines navies are quite small and not very capable compared to the imperial navy in the same universe, though as they fight alongside it's even scarier

A lot of the negatives with the Starfleet are things that can easily be fixed if they were in a perpetual state of war. The Cloaking technology is a great example of that. I don't them taking much time to equip their ships with cloaking devices if they really wanted to. I think Starfleet diplomacy is probably it's greatest weakness if we're looking at this from a military viewpoint.

Also... how the hell is transportation technology not on the positive list? It's also disappointing that sub-light speed wasn't put on the list. Sure warp is one of the slowest FTL ways to travel but impulse is extremely fast. At full impulse, federation ships are going .25 the speed of light which represents something faster than most of the fleets listed here. Edit: The more I think about that part of the video the more it's upsetting to me. Literally most of the stuff he listed as a positive could have been covered in a single point about Diplomacy and Governance. He alluded to it briefly about ingenuity but technology should have been a point. Transporter tech, sub-light speed of ships, the ability to scan sub-space for incoming enemies, the ability to communicate instantaneously using sub-space, etc. All are things that give the Federation a significant advantage over the fleets listed in the video. Even warp speed is a significant advantage in a space battle because it's slow enough to where they can travel to various points in the system to gain tactical advantage. Hyperspace, the warp, etc are all too fast for in system travel.