@@cheapaudioman Hahaha that makes it even more fun!! You like the same stuff just the same. * Can you tell me if the Elac DBR 62 is "power hungry" in your opinion? I've heard that
First timer... LOVE your reviews! Don’t change a thing! 💪🏽 Your format, love of music, and purpose of finding the best audio components for the money is sooooo professional, and unique! Thank you in advanced, bro, as I continue to listen to the rest of your videos! 👍🏽👐🏽
Mission said music is the master, technology is the slave. These days we forgot about this because we are blinded by expensive things we do not understand thinking oh well must be something behind it. And yeah there are some few notable exceptions. But overall is a marketing win win experience. And I highly recommend Steve Guttenberg's advices. Or this channel, that basically reminds us to trust our own ears not others.
Thanks, Justin. Let's hope that we get enough waves going to get some people to send me some stuff and then I won't go bankrupt. Because that would suck.
@@sthr2110 I'm actually hoping to get this thing rolling and actually get some decent lights instead of lamps with 100 watt naked bulbs. But for right now it kind of plays into the schtick.
I have the Klipsch 600M's as the front stage in my home theater. I've been very pleased with their performance thus far. i have not used them for two channel listening yet.
I do want to do a "Between 2 Speakers" interview. I reached out to Andrew Robinson but he hasn't responded. Going to reach out to Steve Guttenberg and see if he'll do it. Thanks for the compliment.
Never heard the BR03 and Elac but Klipsch RP600M base performance and surprisingly well scalable. And what i mean by that is the better amp they get the better they are. It's one of the reason for people that want to improve their system with time to buy and keep those speakers.
My first time and I think I can safely say that we all remember our first time. Really enjoyed the show and the fabulous presentation. Maybe the reason I enjoy John Darko and the Audiopheliac so much is they don’t take themselves tooooo seriously. Yet my strong impression is that you truly know what you’re talking about even though it’s often phrased as “I like this one better.” That’s what its all about, isn’t it? I want to enjoy the music and not feel that I have to be anally analytical about how vibrations get to my ears! So, count me as a fan, and someone who has been saving his dollars in hopes of better enjoying the music I like by buying a pair of RP-600Ms.
Thanks, Rick and I hope that your first time was not only memorable but also that you don't feel awkward or embarrassed. The first time can be rough but everything is going to be ok. Appreciate the comments. I really enjoy Darko. He has a very good podcast where he really does a deep dive into design characteristics with the engineers. Love Steve G and that he actually reviews/mentions affordable gear.
Thanks for the heads up on Salazars wrestling apparel, I am constantly in need of good wrestling apparel and you have filled that need. Well done sir. :)
I have the BR08’s and I think they are great, I’m gonna add the BR03 for surround speakers. There’s lots of love out there for the BR03’s so opinions are subjective lol
During my listening career I have had quite a few speakers. I started with some acoustic energy 109s and then moved on to Heco Celans. Currently I have a pair of LS50s, a set of Quad 12l2s and a set of B&W 606S2s. I also auditioned a lot of high end speakers. Out of everything I have had the 606S2s are the best. Never have I heard instruments so lifelike. I know they are little more expensive than 600 but to anyone reading this if you have little more try the B&Ws before you decide.
I was going to buy the BR03s for my daughter but decided to buy the DBR62s. For a variety of reasons. The build quality of the Elacs seams excellent, like the cast baskets and heavy boxes.
@@CinemaDemocratica I set them up on my system. The are really nice sounding speakers. I would say as described by most reviewers. Clean, clear sound, plays good even with the volume up a bit, good bass for a bookshelf (I would still recommend a sub) they look great (white) and I am very impressed by how heavy and solid the boxes are. I own the Polk t15 and the Elacs blow them away, as expected. I would recommend them if you don't mind the price.
@@ericnortan9012 They're probably too rich for my blood unless the stock market really tanks in the next few weeks (I'm triple-short right now) but I'm really intrigued by the brand. The other issue I have is that I live in Cambodia and stuff is next-to-impossible to get here and even harder to send back if necessary. I run a pair of Edifier s2000mkiii's and I am *super* happy with them -- I paid $300 but that's Cambodia prices; the US price is (I think) more like $550, but you get an amplifier stage and a surprisingly good DAC.
@@CinemaDemocratica Right on. You would think Cambodia would have lot of choices for stereo equipment considering the location. Admittedly I don't know a lot about modern Cambodia. Though I do know some of the history, good and bad. From what I have seen it is a very green, picturesque place. I'm old (52) and grew up in the "seperates" era. I like all my equipment plus I am an electrician so messing with things with wires is in my nature. I can definitely appreciate a more simplified system that does the job.
Great review, thank you. I tried all tree speakers and Debut b6.2. BR03 sounded the best for me with bluesound node 2 or sonos streaming, and movies. the BR03 sat in the middle sound wise, the elacs sounded dull. Used Outlaw amp and Denon AV receiver for movies .
It is interesting that no one comments on how these speakers sound for classical... how close to a concert hall. In the late 60s, 70s and 80s it was about not adding color-brightness or boomy bass. I had moved from KLH entry level to KLH 5s in 69, same speakers as George Szell, famed conductor of Clev Orch, still magnificent. Added Ohm C4s for a different location, still great concert sound, and Celestian DSL6 acoustic suspension in the 80s for my office which I have now moved into my home and considering replacing. Of course my 3 stereo receivers, which I have replaced as necessary (and 10 years ago my decision was based on weight, not merely specs - but quality capacitors protected by substantial heat sinks to keep initial specs constant - which is why Macs have lasted) have more at least 100 "continuous" (peak is different) watts per channel with great specs years ago... probably off by now but still fine. So after much thought have decided to keep my Celestians which due to the quality of sound produced by acoustic suspension speaker, which are more expensive to manufacture, so the Theil approach with multiple speakers and sub woofers has taken over. But with vinyl back decided to get a new turntable, my dual stopped a decade ago and I can make audiophile quality CDs on my denon recorder player. My point is that I assume the 3 speakers will sound good, but compared to an acoustic suspension SL6 depends on the form of music and placement... and the reviews are dependent on ears not necessarily experienced in listening to a world class orchestra playing Brahms, Bach and Beethoven in a great hall. I do appreciate the humor and lack of self-importance of this reviewer! However, there is a massive distinction between playing jazz, Jagger, or R & B and the great symphonies - also all the graphs do not measure the subjective nature of how close any speaker reproduces accurate concert hall sound. Klipsch years ago made massive and truly remarkable speakers, so wonder how these bookshelves do on classical.
💯 I like this guy but with every reviewer there is a subjectivity scale in multiple categories. I always take CAM’s thoughts with a high subjectivity to rock. The triangles I have heard are more impressive with classical and jazz.
Randy I really like your videos. I think they are funny and really informative. Greetings from germany! I wish you just the best for your channel. But as far as I can tell you're doing great. Keep 'em coming :)
Ah and by the way. I just got myself a pair of Elac DBRs. My first pair of quality speakers after the edifier R1280Ts. I really really like them, but I also think they are a little on the warmer side in the lower mids. Do you have a recommendation for a budget amp? I'm thinking about the Denon PMA600NE but I heard it's also rather warm.
yeah. That denon is really full on the bottom and probably wouldn't compliment what you're trying to achieve. I'd say look at some of the NAD's in the same price range or a Musical Fidelity Ms2i or something used.
Great shootout! I know I've said this before, but absolutely love coming over to your channel! It's just great! Kudos to getting Mr. Jones to comment too! That totally rocks! Can't wait for the next review Randy! Cheers and here's to cheap but good audio! - Ron
amazing comparison video thank you! feeling a bit of a metal bias but as a full time jazz listener, would you say the elac is the best for clarity and definition? not using for video, only music -Thanks
Man, this dude looks like he breaks into a sweat just eating a ham sandwich. I dig how he keeps it real and did not redo the video because of the piece of cake on his nose. I actually bought a pair of ELACS because of his reviews.
The regular man! I like his reviews because it sounds like the guys I worked with.... carrying on a conversation while digesting that bean burrito and cheap beer.
Slight correction on the bass and the back wall - bass is pretty much omnidirectional, and the only difference between front and rear - is the rear port gets closer to the back wall sooner. Placement closer to the back wall will boost the bass, because the omnidirectional bass doesn't have to fill the space behind anymore. When any speaker is placed out into the room it has to fill the whole "sphere" around it. And when you move it closer to the wall that "sphere" is truncated and the energy that the speaker puts out is increased by having to fill less space.
Really enjoy your content a little humor goes along way; especially these days. I'd be curious to know what equipment you used in your testing of these speakers it would help folks make a better decision or understanding if their outcomes will match your evaluation equipment. Did you try them with a class D amp or any other than the TA 100 ? I have the Triangle and the Klipsch in my home and what I've found is my Klipsch are incredible with my A/B amp and the the Bro3 is incredible on my class D amp reverse them and the Klipsch is bright and the Bro3 lacks detail. You can't lose with any of these but they need to be amp paired correctly for the sound you prefer.
I use an Emotiva TA100 and an Anthem Integrated 225 for my testing. You are right on the money with the Bro3's. They need a class D for sure otherwise they lack detail! Thank you!!! I am vindicated! People love their Bros...
Elac would be my pick for 2 channel only, but for movies and music I went for the 600m. I do think the efficiency is only like 90-91db though not the advertised 96db
The 600’s are good for dialogue for sure. I’ve run them in my room with no center and they were great. Also great for music too. Can’t go wrong with them.
I'm watching two many videos I'm old as well an appreciate you breaking things down for us .I was gonna go power speakers was a Bluetooth guy but now I'm onto some klipsch an aiyma do3 was gone pick up a paradigm v8 what would u suggest
"In my opinion... whatever" this shootout seems different from all your others. It seemed as if you were apologizing for your opinion and you weren't having as much fun as your other videos. Love your videos irreverent humor and honesty.
I had the Klipsch 600 paired with an Emotiva A-300 amp and it just wasn't a good pairing. Went with the Fluance Reference Floorstanding speakers and much much better. Not that sparkling highs that the Klipsch had but the Fluance midrange was just pure silky smooth butter and with dual down firing woofers, the bass was much better and fuller.
I get your humor! I want to buy a wrestling mask and I don’t wrestle! Question, would the DAC amp combo you recommend ( A07 & T8) work well with this set up? Or would I need something more substantial?
Love this shootout! Nice work. Would have loved to see the UB51 in there as well. Or someday the UB52. I just bought a pair of UB52s to replace my front channel UB51s. They UB51s are now my rear channels. Looks like my home theater is becoming an Andrew Jones showcase. 😅
This is one of those reviews that I've watched before pulling the trigger on the #ElacDBR62. And I never regretted it. I'm extremely happy with it and enjoying every single second when I'm listening to music. Thank you @cheapaudioman and keep on reviewing. All the best
Another great review but I've noticed some in your audience are concerned about rising cost on the speakers you are reviewing feeling like you may be stepping slightly beyond the "cheap". For me what would be important is knowing if the $400 + speakers are 2 or 3 times as good as the $100-$200 speakers. You know for me I would pay $300 for a pair of speakers that sound as good or better than speakers costing 2,3,4 or several times more money. The JBL L1's definitely do that for me. Did you ever watch Thomas@Stereo review of the elac debut 6.2. He was very impressed comparing them to speakers costing much much more. STICK WITH BANG FOR BUCK in you reviewing, I know many will appreciate that....and thanks a lot for listening to your audience and making appropriate adjustments. I really do like the new treble intro much better than your previous one. Thanks for that.
This price level is really about my ceiling. And to your point, I do believe that these are 3-4X better than the 100ish speakers. For me, this is the level where the law of diminishing returns truly kicks in. Are they twice as good as some of the sub $300 speakers... kind of. There is just so much more air that can be displaced with the larger drivers. I'm doing a sub $300 6.5" woofer category next week and that is probably going to be the sweet spot for most people as you get maybe 70% of these at around half the cost. I think this level of speaker can truly be a final destination speaker for most. I know it is for me unless a company sends me a $1000 speaker and I can truly say that it's twice the speaker as this category.
Another video, do you ever sleep? Seriously though thanks for this video. I am going to upgrade my 25 year old system in 2021 after getting the Sony SS5C on black friday and my CD player dying recently. My budget for speakers is $600 - $700 perfect timing for my research. Any plans on reviewing any integrated amps in the $700 - $1000 range?
This is pretty much my shortlist amongst a few others for sub £500 here in the UK pending availability. After several unsuccessful listening tests wondered if you have taken a retro speaker and explained the modern differences with something comparable. For example, I have a pair of Gale GS210 that are going strong but can't help I am stuck in my ways and am missing a trick!
This channel is getting better by the day! Haha. Keep it going! Funny story is I recently was at a best buy wanting to test out ELAC speakers. They weren't on display but he told me they were junk. I had to walk away.
I auditioned the original Elac b6's there and didn't end up getting them til later. The magnolia listening room isn't an ideal place to listen to speakers. All the bookshelves are well... on bookshelves and all the same distance and all hooked up to receivers. The Elacs b6's don't have the top end sparkle as more consumer oriented speakers so they often sound less desirable compared to others in a situation like that but they're phenomenal after someone spends some time with them.
@@phantasm1004 they don’t get any training and the ones that do probably aren’t interested enough to care. It’s a weird world for audio. The traditional go to market is dying and there are few places to actually listen to reasonably priced equipment. Best we can hope for is a solid return policy with free return shipping.
Salazar's also makes photorealistic paintings of the many different types of German sausages, for use in your dental office waiting room or municipal airport lobby.
You probably can't answer this but it's worth the shot. I am the original owner of a Marantz 2230b and have been burning a lot of time watching speaker reviews. Is a 30 watt/channel amp compatible with a low efficiency 86db speaker?
What would you choose to start building a system the Polk s50 and the s30 with no sub or Polk s20 with s30 with a sub? Haven’t bought any yet and curious on your opinion thanks!
Hi Randy, good work. Love the irreverent delivery. So since your opinion doesn't mean much....I have to ask, 2 of 3 speakers here have front ports. Any comment how that influenced what you heard and your review ?
the elac and the triangle both have tunings that give them the same bass presence as the klipsch at the same distance from the wall which is incredible. with that said, the elac and triangle felt fuller on the bottom end than the klipsch everything equal which is a really good thing because they have more placement options.
Great review as usual, Randy. Do you think that you'll be able to review any of the Tekton full range towers in the future? It would be awesome to hear your take on the Double Impacts and the Moab.
hey Randy, what's the story behind the painting of the bound woman hanging on your wall? it would seem that might be a little hard to explain to the children running around your house. just curious.
Well you might recall me commenting on other videos saying I got the Q150s and love them, but I forked out the extra $139 and ordered the RP600m to try., They’ll be here tomorrow! It sounds like you’re predicting I’ll send the Q150s back. We will see. My very observant eyes noticed from your nose that you might have gotten into some ice cream after the mid range break too haha
If you can, having a pair of Q150's and the 600's really compliment each other and offer different flavors to enjoy. I really don't think there is one "best" speaker or end game speaker for anyone. I think two different speakers with different sound signatures are great to have at the same time. Put one set away for a while and then bring them back in and fall in love with them all over again.
@@cheapaudioman Yeah, I would love that. For now I have to just pick one, though. We will see if it is an easy choice for me or not. I foresee it being a little bit tricky. Luckily a lot of retailers have extended return periods at the moment. I’ll report back with what I find!
Awesome again. Just subscribed. Please review SVS. I know the Prime bookshelf is rather expensive for what it is but I would be interested. From a fellow former drummer.
@cheapaudioman Howdy Randy, I'm looking into buying bookshelf speakers for my PC desktop setup. How are the Elac DBR62 for near field listening? I've read that KEF 150/350 are good for nearfield listening, and judging by your description the ELAC DBR65 as well, but haven't heard any of them ... please help this poor soul in the quest for perfect sound :D
When they closed out the Polk LSiM 703 you could get a pair for $600.00. They had originally cost $1,800 per pair when they came out. Now I know you like a deal, but that was a steal. The bass has to be heard to be believed.
Please dont apologize Randy!?! If those critics have issue with you being YOU, want a slicker production and commentary, then they can tune to Andrew Robinson's channel! I appreciate your lay point of view based on your many years of seasoned listening experience. I have 30 more listening years than you. I'm sure, like me, you've experienced many different loudspeakers and your "ear" is well tuned for your spectrum of "real/true" sound enjoyment. Anyway, after seeing your other responses of the Elacs, I'm sold on them. Thanks for this Saturday entry! Keep on and please, don't apologize unless you're going to wear that Lucha Libre wrestling mask!!!! 😉
Newbie here. Looking at the Klipsch RP600M's for $320 on sale, seems like a no brainer; No? Maybe only thing would be their size for a desktop, they seem big but I'll have to see. Currently auditioning the Klipsch R-50M which sounds good (my current speakers are old Infinity RS2000's; which I'm having a hard time replacing for under $350 these days). My use is music only in a small office space. The R-50M's are $300 on sale; worth the extra 20 bucks?
How many hours of breaking do you have on the triangle? I have three pairs of different triangles and almost gave up on the sound and then one day it totally changed for the better.
Coincidently, Sean at "Zero Fidelity" did a video to compare these same three speakers. He describes their sound characteristics differently. I suppose the differences can be caused by room acoustics, break-in period, and equipment matching among other things. How long do you typically break-in equipment before evaluations take place? Do you evaluate them with a variety of different amplifiers? It would be nice to hear you talk about your opinions on which affordable amplifiers match-up best with which speakers.
The Bro's were broken in for 50 plus hours. And frankly, if I need to run a speaker for 100 hours to break in then it's not the speaker for me. Amps I used on this were the Emotiva TA-100 and the Anthem Integrated 225. The Elacs and 600M's I've had for 6 months or so and they're very well broken in. Sean is way smarter than I am and comes from the industry so I'm sure his take is much more valuable. My experience with the speakers and I've lived and enjoyed the 600's and the Elacs for months before I ever even thought about starting this channel. I don't think the Bro's have the top end of the Elacs let alone the Klispch. They don't have the midrange or the top end clarity to my ears and for me is the least desirable speaker of the three. Not saying that some won't love them, simply relaying what I heard. Unless one is really into a "laid back" and veiled speaker then the bros need a very analytical amplifier and even when I hooked them up to the Anthem, I didn't notice them getting any better. I'd love to get some more affordable NAD amps in to see how they do. And I considered that maybe the room was affecting the sound accept the Bros were in the same position as the others. I try to eliminate as many variables as possible so I can just listen and then relay what I heard. I'm unsure of whether or not Sean actually A/B/C'd these speakers or just kind of shared his thoughts on them from memory. I can... maybe see that if someone just commented about them from memory coming up to the same conclusions as he did but I just don't see how someone could say the Elacs are more laid back than the Bros if they're actually A/Bing them.
@@maynardbecker4613 How do you know for sure that anyone doing a review on RU-vid isn't getting paid to endorse something? You either trust them or not. Better yet, go test the speakers yourself and then trust your own ears. Unless of course you're also getting paid to endorse that product you're testing - then you're in an X-files situation: Trust No One....
Do a section of the best 4 inch, 5.25 inch and 6.5 speaker it would be interesting. I would like to know what is the best 4 inch speaker, because my room is small (2.5 x 5 meters)
Hell never mind elective surgery, some of the high end audio costs as much as a house. That's crazy. In 2003 I got divorced and one of many issues was my stereo. Not having a lot of disposable income I set out to put together a kick ass system I saw a pair of Infinity interlude IL50 speakers reviews mostly favorable( owner reviews) and pro reviews for IL10s put the system together for$750. Had a Rotel pre-amp processor, bought a used Carver Av705x, $450 it's a beast. Think I did pretty good. Wouldn't trade the speakers, only had to repair one of the sub amps last year 16 1/2 years not too bad. Like your reviews, a regular guy who loves good sound. Sorry about being long winded. Replaced the preamp with a Marantz av7005. That made a big improvement.
You write as much as you want. Love the system. I have a used Anthem Integrated 225 which is an absolute beast and a Oppo blueray player I got off FB marketplace for $60. As well as the new stuff I have
Writing the comment I'm listening to The Eagles Farewell tour from Melbourne and with this system and the 80" tv I'm There in the front seat. What amazing musicians, every note crisp and clear vocals and harmonies are just some of the best.
My dealbreaker not to get the Klipsch was their tiny sweetspot due the horn. In my experience They have to be toed in just right, otherwise the music had no juice
I kind of found that they did a decent... and I stress the word, decent... job regardless of placement. However, I can understand that. I'm still impressed. I could hardly listen to Klipsch 10 years ago.
"I really like the sound of this speaker. Now, the pair you buy is going to be a completely different size and dimensions because the company likes to play around with enclosure size and I support them for that because it shouldn't matter." That's what it sounds like to me when a reviewer says that room-placement shouldn't be a big deal for a speaker.
