Funny and well informed reviewer. you are great. keep doing these videos. I especially liked the recent one in which you said "people who keep sending me stuff for review obviously don't watch my videos"
Randy! Randy! I don’t know where your from but you speak speakers and audio plainly with out pretentious talking down to people. Like you were born with a golden ear. Thanks from the East coast.
Making a claim about the LS50 metas losing it to these two at third of a price is a bold statement! Respect for saying that, because all other reviewers just seem to keep on ranting on how the Metas are amazing. Good to hear a different opinion.
I just bought the Elac Debut 2.0…. Totally blew me away. It’s an excellent speaker. I’m moving away from my klipsch. My ears don’t enjoy the horns any longer
Hey Randy. I don't know if you go back and revisit comments from "old" vids. If you do, I was just wondering if you ever tested the Elac DR on the Reisong A10 or your Reisong MT34 MkII? Measurements say the Elac is only 86dB sensitive compared to the Klipsch's advertised 96dB. Is one better than the other with these amps?
I'm moving to a new apartment, and got a 10% off at Amazon when I filled out the change of address form from the Postal Service. I'm looking at the RP600M in the piano black as my only speakers for a few years. Thank you for the review!
Great job dude, I bought both after watching your vid, 600m for $329 Elac for $489. 504c $384, and atmos 500sa for $300. Get to switch around the Elac and 600m between fronts and rears now.
Good stuff! This was exactly what I was looking for, but I’m still not sure what to buy between the two though lol ... guess it’ll be a good buy either way
Randy, a few comments on this. I think that the tighter bass on the Elac is because the port is quite a bit smaller which results in a more sealed like sound versus ported. I think that the better imaging on the Elac is from it's closer driver spacing making it closer to a coaxial speaker than the Klipsch and would be superior in a nearfield situation. The cabinet resonance on the Klipsch can be improved with some NoRes which is one of the improvements that Danny at GR Research recommends for the RP600M. His suggested modifications can put the RP600M in a high end sound class. Finally, I think your distaste for the KEF LS50 is because you value bass more than pristine and neutral sound as well as price value, and I am right there with you on that. Great job as usual.
Fantastic comparison between the two speakers, and the thing that draws me to your videos the most is that you slurp and gulp coffee while making your videos. That is a key essential to making videos that keep people engaged. I think that the average youtube content creator is missing out by not slurping and drinking coffee or some other beverage. The only thing that could be better would be if you ate food at the same time as well. If you ever decide to start doing that, please be sure to chew with your mouth open.
I choose these Elacs over other speakers on my computer desk, first they are not as deep (27,5cm similar to Edifier S2000MKIII) as these Klipsch, second, front bass port. I run them with Loxjie A30. Very happy with overall SQ. I also tested KEF Q100 which was too bright and fatigue with higher volumes and weak on bass, also tested MA Bronze 2. These Elacs are well balanced neutral speakers with big power on hit. On Metallica - Metallica (Black Album) they are perfect, not fatigue, and very detailed. I also noticed as Randy said treble goes live when volumes are bit higher.
I also have the Kef q100, they sound great but are very amp sensitive for sure. Some amps did sound fatiguing while others did not. My marantz sr 4021 sounded best with them and the q150
Had the 160m's which were similar to the 600's but currently own the DBR62'S. I will say that the Elacs demand proper speaker stands, well isolated, if you want to get the best bass response out of them. In my room, the Elacs had much better bass response than the Klipsches despite being close spec-wise. I agree with your sentiments though, you really can't go wrong with either speaker. Also, both are very transparent regarding equipment matching and scale very well.
The more speakers I review the more that I start to disregard low end specifications. While the speaker may hit that number and probably does, the balance of the speaker's sound signature would prevent anyone from getting that out of the speaker without it becoming shouty and overtly bright. The way the crossover is designed is so much more important that the low end specifications so that when one does hit that lower end it's balanced with the rest of the sound signature. I've always felt that Elac does that very well. Thanks so much for watching. I've got a pair of RP400m's on their way which is very exciting.
I'm new to the HIFI world. Its only been 10 months since I started collecting records and studying about speakers/amps etc. I've been having a hard time on what brand or model should I go for in terms of pricing and sound quality. Here in the Philippines there's limited supply of brands that give decent quality for a speaker and whenever I'm looking for a review of that certain model or brand, it's here in this channel. I'm learning a lot. So glad I saw you.
Hey Randy very good review. (Sorry my English may be a bit snarky) I've heard the Elac Dr62 are hard to drive. I just don't know which amplifier works good with it. I would like to know if an amplifier Iotavx Sa3 is enough, or is it better with Pa3. or should i choose the xtz edge a2 300 amp? Thanks see you later on the next interesting video 📹!
@@Revelator2025 Hey, thanks for your answer. I sent the Elac's back and bought the Polk r200, plus Musical fidelity m2si and Bluesound node (130). Hello
To the speakers manufacturers gently asking to quit bi amping and putting the saved dime in better bracing and better crossovers that actually have real sonic gains.
Just found your channel, cool comparison! One thing to note though, bi-amping on a AVR isn't really going to offer any improvements (which you noticed). When you see watt measurements from AVR they're usually only quoting 2 channels running. Even though they have a configuration option in the AVR to bi-amp really at that point you're just splitting the power from the power supply to more amps but won't see any real improvements. Can always use pre-outs to another power amp though.
Appreciate the heads up on that. My consumption of power is a fraction of the actual rated power of the amp or receiver. Id estimate that my usage is less than 4 watts based on the SPL distance and room gain and sensitivity of my speakers. Some day I’d like to get two discreet amps and see if I can tell a difference.
@Randy Several reviewers mention and praise the dynamics and the liveliness (and 'live' like presence) of the Klipsch RP600 over other - maybe more 'accurate/analytical/neutral' - speakers. 'Engaging' is a word often used. You didn't mention something similar in your 'list' of aspects or comparison, if I'm right. Could you elaborate on this? Thanks!
I've gone from the RP600M to the DBR62 and lived for over a year with the 600M. The Klipsch are more lively, but come with a caveat to their cabinet faults. Also the driver isn't as seamlessly crossed. They are more sensitive and louder and like to party. The ELAC are significantly better in natural tendency to just show you around the performance and not shout it. I considered redoing the crossover and dampening per gr-research but just decided the ELAC were a better deal as soon as I compared them. I bought both used so, there's that too. I bypassed the tweeter crossover with a copper MiFlex cap on the ELAC as was rewarded with another layer of grit being removed from the top end and yet another widening of the sound stage. Totally worth the $40. I drive them with a 25 watt Firstwatt Aleph J and they do just fine for the 70-80db I listen at in the evenings.
Also i think the best affordable speakers are : Wharfedale Diamond 11 series , EVO series and Elysian series designed by Peter Comeau. They sound and look like speakers that cost 3 or 4 times more , they are unique and very good built. I HAVE SPOKEN
Hi I’m new to your channel, I have an Aiwa 5 disc cd changer with cassette and turntable. Do you think klipsch rp-600 speakers would be a good upgrade? The aiwa speakers are 150 watt!
Ok. Does the cover come off the tweeter? I don’t see screws so could it be on there magnetically? That would change the high end, I think. What say you?
I think the tweeter grill is pressed on somehow. I'm sure it can come off if one was so inclined and yes it would affect the tweeter but it was designed with it. I've heard of some removing the grills on other elac speakers because of this.
@@cheapaudioman Thanks, Randy! It would be an interesting experiment. Maybe even flip the cover around so it’s convex and see what that does. I’m leaning toward getting these. We’ll see what the budget (wife) says.
Yes, a good catch. That the Klipsch is better on female voices! I have a pair RP-600m heavily modified though, but I enjoy females vocalist tremendously. Now I got a hint of why that may be.. Think the litle lower crossover point @1500Hz compared to Elac @2200Hz may influence a little bit.
@@cheapaudioman Yes it is a GR research modification: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a-nuVNOeCXY.html Address the cabinet issue and so on. It is just comfortable to know that the caps is matched (individually measured and matched with the same value in the kit). No electrolyte no sand cast no iron core and floss gauge inductors no PCB, half number of solder points, tube connectors so no ferrous material in the signal path. Cables directly solder to drivers. And nores on the inside of the cabinet. How does it sound before and after. To be honest I can't say.. I just got in 2020 this dedicated new listening space that I did not have any dedicated before and needed to be in the living room there I use B&W 804. So I did not had much time with them beforehand and I have done a lot alteration rapidly to get the space as good sounding as possible (several changes at once). So not only fixing the RP-600m I also built my own mono blocks that is car battery driven (like GR research use and have), built sound absorbers and bass traps, installed DSP plus many more things. So I can't tell what the difrence is when the whole rig were in a flux state. I actually thought that I maybe should buy another pair second hand just to be able to compare.. I just think that doing all that modifications with higher quality parts can't make it to sound worse anyway.. But it is not like that you get a completely new speakers at the end of the day it is the same drivers anyway. But I will probably not do that because of time constraints, I rather put time and money on the current projects to finish them instead. I am building two passive open baffle 18" and I have a modification of my TT to do so I can adjust VTA on the fly. I just stumbled upon your video and I like it! Have a nice weekend.
@@cheapaudioman please do that. I would try to get to hear his OB speakers. When that type of speaker is not easy to audition in the first place. And to get a grip on if OB is something is to your liking and something to pursue. That is good experience and knowledge to get in my opinion. I think it is good to save up and build something reel amazing. Instead pouring in money to upgrade the RP-600m that is still will be a box speaker if you like the OB type. Unfortunately I am in Sweden and for me it gets little bit of a hurdle to buy the OB cabinet and ship them from one guy and buy the rest from GR research and ship those plus add import taxes on top.. And I need to do all of the work, yes I am maybe little bit handy. But paint and finishing is not up to snuff. But if you like what you hear and Danny can probably recommend painters and such if you can't do it yourself. And when you live in USA and can just pick it up then it is a different value proposition I think. :)
Yeah, I'm not into Klipsch. I trialed the Elac Uni-fi UB52 against Kef Q150's, and the Kefs won out no matter how I tweaked and how much I broke in the Elacs. Back they went. Then I upgraded to the LS50 Metas and was blown away. No regrets!
It really warms my heart to see you try to integrate back into society since your traumatic brain injury. Kudos to you Randy!! Your speech patterns have really improved so keep at it. Don't be discouraged by those other mental issues (minor lapses in cognitive ability, etc.) continuing to be a problem. That should improve over time. Just remember to take your meds, buddy. Great review!!!
It's a joke. I've been poking fun at his early onscreen persona for quite a while. To my knowledge, he's just naturally spaced out and has not had a brain injury.
I really want to klipsch but I keep hearing the mid range sucks how do I make it better file want to purchase possibly the 500 m. They will be used for music when I want to listen to my music loud and I listen to all sorts from rock , country to Old school rap and home theater use. I also would need a built-in bracket such as the clips do Unless you can point me in the right direction to the overall speaker. I have 2 subs so the bass isn't primarily
Elac's are way more balanced to me. It is imperative that you use high quality amps with above average power to get the optimum out of the Elac's. The Klipsch can get away with low budget amps in my opinion.
A lot of doors open at 600$, monitor bronze seriies emotive towers, and on and on. I liked the way you broke down the other cost that get them to preform. So the 100 to 150$ Sony 2.1 will never get the reviewed speakers to sound good. Help Randy what do you get first. I’m thinking the emotive that I can add the huge 300basx later on down the road and maybe I should just start with emotive bookshelves but the are hideous. It like when they get the guy that’s best at English to write a litte blurb about a product. I do like your idea of striping out an old cool looking speakers and stick them in there. Keep it coming Randy, also why only occasionally measure with chew bocks. If my speaks aren’t at least 3.5 chewyshigh then there not for me. Your friend on the coast at the bottom of Va there’s a bout 2 million people hear and Best Buy is about the only electronics
Just picked up the Debut Ref last week and comparing them to the Debut b6.2 I find the debut ref a little more "buttery" sounding to keep this short. The unifi 5 is also nice and build quality is like a tank. The enclosures on the Unifi is just about the strongest heavy duty bookshelf I have ever dealt with.
I decided to go with the sony str dh790 and so far i like it. Really nice sound. I was able to use my hdmi cable from my pc to use it with the receiver. Thank you for the help.
I too would like to add......., but the side panel on the Klipsch is larger in both height and depth, and of course it will resonate LOWER then a smaller slab of wood. (think of a marimba) Get another speaker of the same size for each model, and try that again, I would certainly like to see more 'knock' tests lol. One little suggestion: perhaps clean those grease/handling marks off the cabinets before the video presentation, they were easily seen. (good thing they were not gloss finish!). Thanks.
The Unifi UB5's are very power hungry but the Reference is much easier to drive. Still much lower sensitivity than the Klipsch but I haven't had any issues with pretty entry level amps. Thanks for the watch!
@@cheapaudioman I recently picked up some lightly used UB5s and they got dinged in shipment...@#$% but on the bright side I now have the most kickazz garage speakers in the local area lol ...FYI on the UB5 I also read they are power hungry but pairing them with my vintage garage Nikko 3035, it is quit loud with the volume on around 2-3. I have not personally noticed the power needs being anymore than my other Elacs as far as casual listening without measuring equipment.
I just made my own from 3/4" birch plywood and mdf. Made the vertical strips just wide enough to fit CD's so it's a speaker stand and a cd rack... very 90's of me
Hallo comunity. Ich brauche für meinen Desktop neue Lautsprecher. In die engere Auswahl sind die elac debut und die diamond 12.2 von Wharfedale gefallen. Höre alle musikrichtungen und eher leise als laut. Kosten bei uns ca das gleiche. Vergleiche zwischen fiesen beiden gibt es nicht. Jemand einen Rat der schon beide gehört hat?
You mentioned you weren't sure if bi-amping the RP600M's made a difference on the Marantz NR1711. Does a single 50W channel on the NR1711 have enough power to adequately drive the RP600M? or even the R51M's? I was looking at the NR1711 and curious what the upper limits are of what it can drive on its own per 50W channel for listening to music? Focusing on Klipsch speakers because of how efficient they are. Thanks
Nowadays the price of high-quality speakers has plummeted compared to comparable qualities back in the 80-90's. With the above speakers, one can really enjoy high-quality sound at relatively low and fiar price. Maybe on day you should review really expensive speakers(>$10,00) and give your impression compared to the low priced ones.
What I hope to do is to develop a relationship with some manufacturers and have them convince me that their 1000 or more speakers are better than the 500 speakers.
Also, I wonder if it's an absolute fact that the stiffer the cabinet the better it sounds. Because I doubt that if you'd form the Klipsch or Elac cabinet from concrete, they'd sound much better. I thought I've read somewhere that a certain sound characteristic from the (wooden) cabinet is needed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Wuppie62 well it all about damping unwanted vibrations. There are concrete loudspeakers. But if not done correctly, they would ring at certain volume settings/frequencies. One youtuber diy guy did a test of several materials & found mdf to be the quietest. I would like to try a double layer of .5" mdf held together with a thick layer of silicone adhesive.
@@porkchopspapi5757 If you're going to glue layers of mdf on eachother, my guess is that perhaps you might just as well try berch multiplex straight away.. Because I know that in the world of PA's, the cheaper speakers and Subs use mdf for their cabinets, while the better sounding (top-)models use the more expensive and stronger ((scandinavian) berch) multiplex.
Overall dynamics and impact , Randy??? I have a hard time believing most similar passive speakers best the horns dynamically. Presence with movies and rock?? Yet another typically stronger characteristic of traditional Klipsch
some music has different tone of bass mids treble some songs cut offf at 40 60 some go down to 20 i agree with vocals though klipsch has amazing vocals and i love alanis morisette she does sound amazing on klipsh i like higher vocals i have issues with rock and country having harsh trevble and highs on the i e s and male female vocals no mater how high low they hit and guitars sound harsh on some songs on klipsh i feel elac a guitar sounds way better than a klipsh depending on how you ajust it on some mixes i prefer the johnny cash version verson but i like nine inch nails too some i disaggree some songs mix the guitar differently like guitar solos are usually focused on center channel metalica sound better with klipsch and yahmaha is a very bad combo too flat no matter how you ajust it so use elac for a flat reciever like yahmaha i prefer onkyo reciever i wander if elac or would sound better on onkyo vs yahmaha yahaha because onkyo marrantz denon pioneer might be to much for i feel that elac is better for the songs that i feel dont sound goood on klipsch sound worse cuz i have klipsch i dont like polk audios low end and they dont have high end subwoofer to go with high end towers klipsch is way more affordable and there dolby atmos speakers are fuller sounding cuz they have a woofer and tweeter dont know if elac does this too
Good to see you pooped on ls50. My friend has a pair for it's look. To me they are unlistenable. They surely have more details and a bigger soundstage. But I just cant stand how normal songs sound on them. Just strange.
