*Corrections: 1) I refer to Z790 having a better memory "controller" but that term is incorrect. Z790 improvements are to trace/topology/shielding. 2) The ASRock Riptide Z690M has 2 M.2 slots, not 1. 3) Removed ITX recommendation due to an issue with that board, alternate linked in description.* What Motherboard features do you look for in a board? Tell your story in a new comment!
You put MSI z690 pro in ddr4 budget list but You've only discussed ddr5 version in the video. Is it the same deal or is something different about it? Also is there a much difference between MSI z690 pro ddr4 and Gigabyte Gaming X Z690 DDR4 if they were the same price?
This is coming from someone who has been on this platform for a WHILE at this point,I had an i9-12900ks and now an i9-13900k and Raptor lake is still on the 1700 socket/the Z790 uses the 1700 socket as well,this is just something that needs to be thought about/talked about. The real issue is,I think AMD is falling behind, YES they have 3D CPUs and MUCH better optimization,but their JUST getting DDR5 RAM and their JUST catching up at the end of a generation/the Meteor Lake platform/1851 socket,MAY come out SOON/the i9-14900ks, will most likely be released on the meteor lake platform/1851 socket. I think this is something people NEED to be thinking about, IF your planning on investing in Raptor Lake/Z790 boards/the meteor lake platform/the 1851 socket MAY be right around the corner,if you ALREADY own an alder lake board/an i9-12900k/ks,go ahead and get an i9-13900k,I don't think thats a bad idea,but investing in Alder Lake/Raptor Lake,this late in its life cycle, isn't necessarily a great idea/again most likely the i9-14900ks,will not be on Raptor Lake/the 1,700 socket and it will be on the meteor lake platform/the 1851 socket. To put this in prospective and I know this isn't the entire story/power/pin count isn't everything,but it does mean A LOT,more pins equals more power and more surface area,surface area allows for more cores and more pins allow you to power those cores/you won't have as many power restraints, this isn't the whole picture, but this is DEFINITELY something to think about, Kaby Lake,which came out in 2016 had 1,151 pins and AM4,that came out in 2016 had 1,331 pins,Alder Lake/Raptor Lake have 1,700 pins, AM5 has 1,718 pins and Meteor Lake has 1,851 pins,like I said pin count doesn't mean everything and it MAY be something AMD can work through with optimization,time will tell,but this is something that NEEDs to be brought up/at least looked at/observed.
You my friend are READING OUR MINDS!!!! You knew EXACTLY what we wanted to hear after the reviews of new intel processors and that is MOTHERBOARDS!!! Thank you! Such an amazing value you are and i don't mean your channel, i mean your knowledge man.
That was the hope! We figured the other channels would do a great job testing the CPUs and we wanted to help people with the next steps. So glad you enjoyed and thank you!
You fill such an important niche with your excellent videos. While most sites are focused on benchmarking, you help to distill that data into actual purchase recommendations. Keep up the great work. Your content is an instant watch. Thank you for all you do!
Without benchmarking of any kind, specs mean nothing. I can show how a MB compared in every way is 10% spec'd faster but in 4k gaming that would come to 1FPS, so why did the 10% matter. It Didn't.
@@PCBuilderChannel Hi,i decided to upgrade from ryzen 5 1600 to the Intel i5 13600kf.I have order RAM ddr5 6400 with 32 cl.My dilemma at the moment is for the motherboard.I understand Z690 will be cheaper option right now for at least 100$,but the Z790 have higher RAM clockspeed,and cause the motherboard i'll get i 'll keep it for the next 3-4 years i think it's better to get the Z790 for future RAM upgrade .I've looking for Asus prime Z790-p.But for 40$ extra is also the Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX,a bit more expensive is also the MSI MPG Z790I Edge WiFi.you think i'll have any different in gaming between these?(cause i want it only for gaming).Any other sugestion?An opinion from an person with your experience and your knowledge will be realy helpfull for me.
Thank you so much for making this video! I'm limited in my PC building knowledge, and this video was beautiful for tying together what all these specs mean and performance trade-offs. This video was awesome and I learned so much! I also greatly appreciate how share what's needed for good gaming, as it's overwhelming with all these boards that are more expensive with bells & whistles, if you just want to have a great gaming PC and don't care about the fancy RGB lights. I see other videos by you for PC building, I'm looking forward to learning from those!
This guy has the best CPU channel on RU-vid and I've seen a lot. It applies to what matters to 99% of people. Too many of these types of channels talk about abstract BS or theory or complaints that have nothing to do with computers. I only use this guy now for my current and new 2023 build.
I was thinking of buying the z790 tomahawk ddr5 version. But after watching this I have decided to got for z690 ddr4. I will save around $200 in this and use that on getting a better gpu. Thanks for the guides like this. It helps a lot in choosing which parts to pick. Tomahawk and gigabyte gaming are both at the similar price now.
I actually learn things when I watch your content. As to where guys like GN can fall into techno babble where it depends on existing knowledge. Being informative to people with little experience is something I have not seen much of in this community despite this being my second full pc build. You also seem positive as to where GN and HU feel cynical to the point where their content is exhausting.
Thank you for the awesome feedback! We really appreciate it. Our goal is to be accessible for new and returning pc builders alike and we love what we do so glad to hear that positive energy is coming through! Hope you keep enjoying the content (:
@@PCBuilderChannel I am a returning builder. my Old pc ist now 6 years old and showing its age. Mostly my 1080 is killing itself. This video helped me so much with info i didn´t find anywhere else. (ALC codec)
I intended to buy an Asus Maximus Z790 Hero, but now, given their recent quality-control failures, I'm not so sure anymore. I want 96 GB of memory for creative applications, preferably at a high speed, so I'm looking at G.Skill's set at 6400 MHz & CL32, but not many Z790 ATX motherboards support this combination of capacity and speed. If I avoid Asus boards, my choice seems to be either MSI Carbon/Edge/Tomahawk or the Asrock Riptide; apparently no Gigabyte board supports 6400 MHz CL32 at 96 GB currently. I'm willing to pay a couple hundred bucks extra for added reliability, since I can't afford to have the motherboard fry any of the components, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much data on failure rates. I wish there were more statistics on this so consumers could make a more informed decision.
Finally someone actually talking about the audio differences of motherboards and not just saying "lol buy a DAC you peasant". Thank you for your detailed and awesome videos!
Thanks Jason! If you guys are just like me, not in a rush to build a gaming+streaming PC, wait for black friday + christmas discounts. I know you recommended a lot of Gigabyte, but I still can't get over the fact they've sent me so many broken components over the years (even after trying again, as it can happen to any manufacturers). 2 Boards & 2 gfx cards... This time I think I'm gonna try to have an MSI board, I've heard they stepped up recently on their products.
I have the same feeling for ASUS. Over the last 15 years, I've had 6 or 7 Asus motherboard. I had problem with three of them. For me asus, never again.
@@SERGIO.897 I had a problem once with an ASUS board, but I think it was just because I bought a poor PSU at that time lmao 😅 - Anyway on this gen ASUS seems to overprice their boards, so I'm not even considering buying one.
I agree, If there's some crazy deal for black friday/cyber monday that could change the whole decision on what to build. Still have an old MSI Bazooka Plus trucking along from Skylake, Asrock Z390 phanthom itx/a/c board also doing okay from my 9th gen 2020 build. Checking the individual board reviews usually helps to avoid ones that are more likely to have issues.
I’m about to build my first high end gaming desktop. In your experience, are Black Friday deals usually worthwhile? I worry about stock and inventory as we near the holiday season.
@@dianaalyssa8726 I feel you! Still have a Kaby Lake 7700k from 2017. It still holds its own but you can clearly feel it's getting harder to maintain good perf. I'm mostly worried about the Mobo these days... They're getting more expensive but offer way less sometimes, especially the z790. But as I'm not in a rush, I'll wait & see reviews & maybe new future boards.
Great breakdown! Sad to see that none of these reasonably priced boards have a debug display, a feature which I've used countless times in the past. Also astonishing that the lower end ASUS boards don't have bios flashback, especially for being Z690s...
Yeah As you have said 1 year ago, i bought z690 gaming x ddr4. And i love this mother board And as you predicted, i can upgrade to 13900k without any problem for VRM. I have 12600k and this cpu is so good, i dont feel i need to upgrade to 13900k right now. Probably some years later when i feel i need a better cpu but right now, 12600k covering everything i need from high end cpu Great vid jason As always, you are on point.
@@mariodevita661 well, i need a new mobo fornthat time right? All i am saying that i can increase my performance by 2 times when i just need to swap a cpu. Long time a go, i couldnt do it because my really aweful mobo had really bad VRM.after swaping i5 to i7 , 1 week later my mobo fried and my psu.
>best Price Performance section >sees the motherboard I've been eyeing for my next build >"No way, I do not have that good an eye for motherboards" >MFW he goes to the board I may be biased, but great video. Very informative. Thanks.
It looks like the pg riptide is a pretty solid upgrade from the pg4 from asrock despite the similar name they have different features and the riptide has a 13 phase VRM instead of only 9. Sure would be nice if the branding for these new boards was more clear, but that's been a problem for a few years now.
Paused the video to thank you, I've built several pcs in the past but now I'm catching up to speed with everything that was released, it's easy to be overwhelmed but you explained every single aspect I could think of!
Thank you for the awesome feedback! It really means a lot to us. I've been in the same boat, coming back to it after some time away and needing to catch up. Best wishes on your new build!
Hi Jason, Quick question: if I buy a decent DDR4 Z690 board for a 12th Gen CPU (12100 or 12400) can I count on upgrading the CPU in 2-3 years to 13th Gen (13600 or higher) and get a decent performance or will I be bottlenecking the 13th Gen? Set-up for 70% Gaming and 30% photos/videos. Thanks
Z690 Hero vs the Z790 Hero. Any major differences? Pairing it up with the i9-13900k and an RTX4080. The thunderbolt ports are important to me. You explain everything really well.
I am planning to build a system with intel i9 -13900k(already purchased it) for my video editing. I did want to get a Gigabyte Z690 Aero D motherboard until I watched yourvideo. You are excellent . I watched several videos of yours, they are very educational. I agreed with other people who left comments for your video. Most of the things you are explainingwe do not get from other pundits in the field. Jason, I need you advice to select the right DDR5, Z790 motherboard with bios flashback and least expensive RTX 3070 GPU for my needs. Thank you very much in advance. By the way, I subscribedyou.
you seem very knowledgable, Why would i have crashing problems in my game with "Re-sizable Bar" enabled in my BIOS (for nVidia re-sizable bar enabled configuration). If i have my XMP memory profile enabled 6000 DDR5 ram, and 12900K overclocking enabled using ASUS AiOC overclocking BIOS features and I ALSO have resizable-BAR enabled...I get crashes in my game,,,, If I turn Re-SIZABLE-bar off, I don't get the crashes even though I have still have XMP enabled and AiOC enabled (ASUS overclocking on the 12900K in the ASUS ami bios)? Any ideas ???
I must have missed something... What is it about thunderbolt that creators would want/need? Are devices for their needs strictly thunderbolt? Genuinely curious, thank you!
Thanks so much for the amazing video Jason! I am planning on building a high end build in the next few months with the 4090 and was planning on getting a 13900kf to go with it. I was planning on getting the MSI MPG Z690 Force WIFI ATX motherboard to go with it and was wondering what you thought about that combo or what a better alternative would be?
From what I assume you want to partner a ultra fast ddr5 ram with the build, then definitely go with a z790 mobo is more stable, if you like MSI I would recommend z790 carbon. Force is kind of in a weird place, it's more expensive than edge but has less feature than a meg board like ace or unify. If you want white cosmetics, strix-a or m14 formula are better choice. Other than that 13900k not a great overclock cpu, but if you definitely want supreme overclock I think maximus hero is better.
Love the content! I'm looking at building my first gaming PC in the next couple weeks and wanted to get your take on the best route to take. I'm going for 1440p gaming mostly but I do plan on playing some more open world/sim games in the future. I have a budget of about $1200. Do you think going the AMD route with either the 5600X(5700X if I go with a slightly cheaper motherboard) or an Intel 12th gen would be the better option? I don't care about overclocking. I'm leaning slightly to an AMD system because the b550 boards just seem to have everything I need with good audio for cheaper than the Intel boards. Just wanted to get your take on it.
5600X is roughly on par with the 12600K in gaming with slightly cheaper motherboards (though as you can see, Z690 has gotten much cheaper). For tighter budgets I'd go 5600X (or even just the 5600 to save money) and throw the savings into a faster GPU. Good luck on the build!
@@rvh1999 the build I have priced together through Newegg I can get a 5600X a solid b550 board with good audio and an rx6800 for just under $1200. Older hardware is getting fairly cheap.
The way you broke all this down into terms I could understand and gave honest suggestions super helped. The aero D is 200 off in aus and I'm gonna pick it as a streamer I think it will be a great option for gaming and editing.
Great video. Checked out reviews for 13th gen, and I think that Intel has reached a bit of a crossroads for their CPUs. Despite large boosts in core count in 13th gen thanks to the extra E cores, Intel could not always best AMD in multithreading, especially vs R9 7950X. Notable are workloads that benefit from AVX512, which Intel does not support because the E core architecture doesn't support those instructions, and AMD took wins in said workloads. So simply throwing more E cores at the multithreading problem is not always the best solution. Clearly hybrid processors must be designed carefully, with the right balance of P and E cores, as well as make sure the two core designs support all the same instructions. (AMD actually teased this when they revealed Zen4, as the mentioned Zen4c, a E-core-esque version of Zen4 that still supports all of the same instructions, clearly a shot at Intel)
both take trades, but intel other offerings just blowed AMD out of the water, especially in pricing, the 13600k being a 320usd chip beating the 7700x in MT workloads by quite a margin, and the 13700k getting close or par to the 7900x while being quite noticeable cheaper and much easier to cool than the i9 13900k, and thats without tunning. hybrid processors are the way in all honestly, especially with shrinking nodes, apple and intel are in the trend, and amd will hop in later just like intel is implementing 3D chips on meteor lake.
@@PCBuilderChannel Im trying to find pretty much the Aero D but with an optical port. Do you have a recommendation that is not over 400 dollars or is that my best bet with the Aero D?
This was a great video! I was not aware of your channel previously but I thought this overview was great and saved me the time of having to peruse this data myself. Thanks for presenting this in an informative and family friendly way!
good video I am getting my MSI Tomahawk z790 with DDR4 which I plan to use my existing ram and the 13900 k core i9 I should have in a day already shipped not making the move to DDR5 as DDR4 is much more stable
Super useful, thank you. 🎉 I was wondering what the Z meant and 690 vs 790. The bios update on the 690 does worry me. Like most I hate dealing with bios.😅
Man you are awesome ! I am upgrading my Ryzen 3700x to an 13600k and probably an ddr4 Gigabyte Board. I can use my 32gb ddr4 ram and the 13600k is much faster than my 3700x . You have gained a subscriber ^^
You supplied the most concise information and advice to novice and intermediate users who want to build their own PC's. A fantastic video, glad I came across you - subscribed for sure!
After spending an exhausting amount of time over the past few days scouring the net, I think it's important to stay updated with the Z690 and 13th gen situation. Even boards with flashback are having issues getting 13th gen working, even after that there are issues with boot drives being accessed, which can be by a gruelling process of updating the ME drivers using SATA. Even after that there are still XMP issues where sticks will not clock to their rated levels and other sporadic reports of sound issues like random popping or intermittent crackling. Within hours of this post Gigabyte is also removing 13th gen combability with their BIOS for some of their mobos, whether this is temporary or not time will tell. The majority of people experiencing these issues are getting fed up and opting to send back their Z690s for Z790s. BIOS firmwares right now are spotty, sit on your hands with dysfunctional components for a week or two hoping for a fix for some issues whilst likely introducing new ones. At the end of the day a lot of this aggravation can be avoided by dropping another £100-£200 for the Z790, which is disgusting but predicable. The same might be said for opting for DDR5 now instead of DDR4. I was intent on doing the former but after days of researching and still new posts come in on subreddits and forums every other hour. Two courses of action now are wait for late December to see where things are regarding these issues, cutting close to the usual black friday/cyber monday purchase period. Or buy into the more reliable but vastly more expensive and stable Z790 DDR5 solution. This has to be said, as peachy as content creators and reviewers are making the 'cheap and cheerful Z690 DD4 alternative' out to be, and it's a nice idea I'd love to buy into, there are many issues they either glaze over or don't know about. This is not a critique of your content by the way, which I happen to think is really good, but I wish I had this disclaimer somewhere along the way.
Thank YOU! I've waiting for anyone to post a next gen motherboard recommendations videos. Motherboards has been the most difficult item to choose for myself
Thank you and keep the content coming. Even the videos that I think dont pertain to me, teach me something. I'm planning on building the most "future proof" system I can , without getting a 4000 series Nvidia card and these all educate me on the developments of the last few years that I have ignored.
Thank you so much for explaining the differences between the chipsets on the market! I see a lot of Z690 boards that are half off of their z790 counterparts.
i subscribed when you just started this channel and glad to see your subscribers reach more than 200k now. i find your motherboard reviews you recommended for the 2 different brands of processor particularly useful especially for people who are looking to get a new rig. keep the good work up!
Best multi feature.mobo 14:00 to 16:20 Z690 Ddr5 ALC 1220 audio codec ( better than 897 codec generally found on most Mobo ) Pci e 5.0 Bios flash Gigabyte gaming X Aorous elite AX ( WIFI , Bluetooth)
Quick story I've just did kind of the same situation with updating the BIOS. I had a z590 motherboard with a 11th gen chip. Even the z590 needs to be updated before it will even post. I went through every bios on MSI website it wasn't until my third motherboard that I actually get anything to post. I spent about 12 days with each motherboard trying different variables and different biases and nothing happened. I called him SI and they said that this happens a lot and there's nothing to be done except sending the motherboard back. We don't always have the option of sending a motherboards back though so. It's just something to think about
Thanks for this vid! Currently have an i7-8700k with a RTX 3090 for playing triple-A games at 1440p 144hz. With black friday coming up the time seems right to upgrade the CPU. Was dreading having to buy new RAM, didn't even think about keeping my current DDR4. That should save some money. :)
same bro, which cpu ur playing to get and motherboard? for me i am looking for Z690 with a 13700k. Z690 because its DDR4 and my rams are DDR4. I dont think it's worth changing for DDR5 or prove me wrong =P
Omg if i had only watched this video when i started looking into pc stuff! You are explaining everything casually along the way, and i had to watch ten thousand videos for the information you just say in 1 video. Great work!
Thanks for the video. I think a sweet idea would be to do a price to performance full build video! Also, you mentioned it may be better to get “fast DDR4 ram” would that mean 3200, 3600 etc? Have any good value recommendations for the 13600k
Thoughts on the Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX ATX vs Gigabyte Z790 GAMING X AX? They seem to be both similar in price and I can't seem why you'd get the Z690 instead? Thanks!
I am a novice so feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but from what I gather CPU integrated graphics are not necessary if you have a GPU in your system that functions on that level. It is said that although GPU’s can be stacked and “crossfired” (used in tandem) that GPU’s and CPU’s cannot be crossfired together.💁♂️ Meaning that if you have a suitable GPU for gaming that you can definitely “save” with a “cheaper” F model CPU.
Great commentary on audio codec quality. Quick question. How do you identify the audio codec chipset if the motherboard specs just say "Realtek Audio CODEC". It never occurred to me that there could be quality differences between these chips. However, I only care about basic stereo from the line-out jack.
About to pull the trigger on building a new i13900K gaming PC thanks to Amazon Prime sale....watching your video now. Your hand gestures have a Saul Goodman Productions vibe :)
With this crazy prices we need your price to performance recommendations more than ever. Im eagerly waiting for your best gaming build with the new gpu generation. Ive made some shops with your recommendations in mind and im so happy and grateful for your help.
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback! And yes we will builds and builds lists coming over the next couple of weeks. And in the meantime we have the return of the Boost My Build series coming next week!
Great video. I immediately subscribed as you explained everything objectively and clearly with great recommendations. I'll be looking at other videos on your channel for sure. One question: Which motherboard would you recommend with dual 4090, 13900k. The machine will be used for 3d animation and rendering and will be up and running 24X7.
Going for a 13600k or 12600K on Gigabyte GA-Z690 Gaming X DDR4. I don't play that much and use my pc mainly with Lightroom (I'm a professional photographer). Intel z690 won the battle over AMD side due to the support of Multiple Nvme (I pan to use at least 3 of the for working purposes). The performance of the new cpus and the use of the Nvme drives, surely will boost my workflow (atm i'm running a i7-7700). Productivity build on a budget.
Yes 7700K to 13600K will be massive! Good luck on the upgrade and don't forget to update the board bios (and keep checking back on the motherboard bios page as there will likely be several bug fix revisions in the coming weeks).
The Z790 seems a little superfluous as far as I can make out, perhaps for DDR5 users it makes more sense? For gaming though DDR4 and a better GPU is still the best option. I chose the MSI Z690 EDGE DDR4 for my build, predominantly for aesthetics, my system was a refresh and I replaced the CPU/MOBO/GPU with updated versions of the components I used last time around (although I went with the Edge rather than the Carbon mobo) People complained about GPU price rises but I was shocked by mobo price increases, a Z690 carbon being nearly double the price of the Z390 carbon. The 13600k is a real joy to use and is probably overkill for my gaming only rig.
For the audio portion, I used mobo audio for quite a while, but a few years ago I went back to using a dedicated SoundBlaster Z with the external headphone amp and a pair of Beyerdynamics DT 990 Pro (250 ohm) headphones. Not just for gaming, but also quality music listening sessions (M4A, FLAC, and CD's) and I'll never go back to onboard mobo audio again.
Hi PC Builder - Considering getting the ASUS PRIME Z790-A. Do you know if the light blue audio jack (normally line in rear panel) can be reconfigured as "Rear Speakers" in a 5.1 setup. According to the manual it says to use the pink front panel but that would be inconvenient - but in the manual for the Z790-P it says the light blue jack CAN be used for rear speakers, but for the Z790-A- it's different...
We won't get locked 13th gen until probably Q1 2023. Current rumors are that they are just rebranded 12th gen that have been binned higher. But we'll have to see. I expect Intel to announce them at CES in January (I will be there!)
Do you anticipate the higher or mid tier Z790 MoBo prices dropping or remaining consistent for the foreseeable future? I'm getting ready to build a PC...Basing it around a I7-13700K with DDR5 memory. One of my main concerns now, I originally was thinking about an ASUS product, but, now...they seem to be getting a lot of flak for substandard materials/service. Anyways. I need a high quality Z790 motherboard (DDR5/4 X M.2 slots) and hoping the prices drop in the near future. All the best. Cheers.
Guess I'm going with a gigabyte board for the first time for my new i5 13600k. Usually go Asus or MSI but their boards are so insanely priced from the last time I bought one (back in 2015).
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding something, but I would like a clarification. If I have a mid level DDR5 memory, for example 6200Mhz CL36 DDR5; And hypothetically putting them on the same "model" motherboard such as Strix Z690-F and Strix Z790-F, will I theoretically get a better performance with Z790? Or does this only apply to high end memory with speed rating above the marketed max Z690 memory? (6400mhz in this case)
I can recommend the MSI Z690-A DDR4 board, it’s been 100% solid with my Core i7 13700 CPU. I use it as a server, so don’t need overclocking features. It has four M.2 slots which is awesome.
so the one thing im realizing is alot of these companies are raising their prices before black friday and are probably planning on cutting it down to these prices we were experiencing in mid october. im pretty pissed as only some things are actually on sale and others have been forced back up to mid july pricing.
Bro, I loved this vid, you talk about everything we need to know and nothing that is useless, Ill be watching more of your stuff in the future. Also, thanks for all the info.
There's a bundle deal on Amazon right now for the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite AX DDR4 & Intel Core i5-12600K at $480. I'm so tempted as I'm still on an i5-10600K. But I also really want the i5-13600K which would take it up to $530. I think for $50 more I'll be happier with the 13th gen CPU. And I'm keeping my great Corsair Dominator Platinum DD4 memory of course.
Oh lord, now I'm really confused 🤣🤣 essentially I've 3 certainties in my next build. 13700k/kf ddr4 and a 4090 that I already have. I'm doing my best to keep within a reasonable budget, will the lower/midrange board Z690 or Z790 sacrifice performance in Gaming/Streaming/Broadcast scenarios. I am involved in the iRacing realm of gaming/Sim and will do a bit of Microsoft Flight Sim stuff with VR also. Really enjoy your channel, learning a lot esp with the new gen stuff around right now.
I'm seeing a lot of reviews on the gigabyte gaming x and the Aorus wifi board that says they have bad bios is it still the best option to go for? Great video btw!
Thanks for the video. But just to confirm, in order to update the bios on a z690 board to use the new processors, I need an older alder lake processor, right? If you don't have one of those it might not be worth it over just getting a z790. Also, I've noticed that most of the GB motherboards seem to not have the analog audio outputs to run my old (but still good) 5.1 speakers.
Alternatively if your motherboard features a "bios flashback" button on the I/O you simply load the bios containing the update onto a properly formatted USB stick and install the update while connected to a PSU. No CPU required.
Just a few weeks after this video was released and I'm seeing several of these motherboards at higher prices. I'm wondering if they are getting bumped now so that the vendors can say they are "on sale" for Black Friday.
It finally went worse than that. Not only prices didn't go down as expected but remained the same or even got higher in some cases. This Black Friday completely let me down.
My main question is, is it possible to update bios without the cpu or with 13th gen cpu? I am planning to buy the z690 aorus elite ddr5 version, but i am afraid i wont be able to turn it on with 13th gen 13600kf processor. i've heard that you have to have 12th gen cpu in for it to give an option for update bios. But i've also heard that with q-flash its possible to update bios even without any cpu or gpu in the mobo. Can you clarify this for me please?
I am trying to talk myself out of a Z790 Asus hero. I have never paid over 500$ for a motherboard, But this life of my asus ranger really makes me want to stick with the asus maximus family. Really thinking about going MSI this time for the money.
I bought an ASUS Prime Z790 DDR4 and the memory modules I have are 3600MHZ CL 16-18-18-38. XPM doesn't work. The board does not support such timing. I RECOMMEND YOU CHECK THE COMPATIBILITY FIRST. The only solution is to increase the timing to CL 17-19-19-39 or reduce the frequency by 100mhz and the problem is solved.
One thing - there is absolutely no reason not to get the Z790 board even if you intend to use DDR4 RAM right now. The Z790 mobo gives you cheap upgradability in that area in the future whereas you are maxed out at DDR4 with the Z690.
