Better Gear - Zoom Multi FX Pedal Hack (MS 50G, MS 60B, MS 70CDR, G1ON,...) 

Thanks for pointing that out. Good to know!

Wow thanks for saying that. I'll probably just get 2, I doubt I'll have to re write them nearly that many times

Really? Only 1,000? That's only enough times to flash it once every week for the next 20 years. We better be super careful. Thanks for the heads up. Good looking out.

@@markjones2349 but who is witching it that much

@@illford6921 Yeah that's the exact point. You're a quick one. Hehe

Such a great hack!

Did you add any CDRs to your G1on? I was wondering which would be better to have, G1on with pedals or newer screen and navigation on MS models.🤔🤔 also any sound clarity difference??

Good to know! Thanks for posting!

None of the versions are available. They are gone. Where else I can find the hack file? thx

It's a pleasure! Thanks for watching!

Great minds... ;)

Pleasure! Thanks for watching!

Distortion algorithms for days!

Thanks you so much!

Great hack, have fun!

Always a pleasure! Thanks for watching!

I feel you. Happens to me all the time ;)

There's a Reddit forum with zoom multi stomp fx settings that sound like other pedals. I found using these ready made ones quickly gave me a range of great sounds to start with, rather than having to fumble through dialling something usable myself. Also, a bipass loop pedal was a revelation, use a cheap bypass loop, put the zoom pedal in that loop, and the loop pedal then works like an on/off switch for the zoom in your signal chain. I have 2 zoom ms pedals in my signal chain now, so much fx versatility!

Thanks! Love Zoom pedals!

well now you can sell one of them lol

The pedal stacking is great. But they don’t seem happy in the fx loop on my mixer, I have to stack with a Boss delay or something (which has a buffer).

Mike how often do you use the stereo inputs on the MS70-CDR... I am deciding between the two of them.. it is a $40 CND difference between them.

I have the MS-50g and I love it. Do you recommend to get the 70-CDR too and chain those bad boys?

That would be great, not sure if technically possible

This seems like it could be possible if all the pedals are running the same DSP & board. If that's the case all you'd need to do is switch EEPROMs, the hard part would be getting the software without buying all the pedals.

@@BanjoMasterPete you can just get their Plethora X5 it has them all and you can use 5 at a time. there is even an FX loop on it!

I'd pay for that

or for that matter.. the Korg Toneworks pedals...which are amazing...

Always trust a guy called Boris on the internet 😅

Agreed! Many great algos on them!

it even makes my shitty Venom sound ok lol

Thanks for watching!!!

where did you find the mac version?

Pleasure! Same here, want to get a CDR too

Yeah, that one is a game changer!

Happy to hear that! Thanks!

Have fun! Nice hack!

Always a pleasure!

Thanks for watching!

AFAIK the pitch shifter takes up quite some processing power

The quality of the 60b FX surprised me. Good stuff (not only for bass;)

Those Zoom stomps are so nice

Great input, good to know!

I really want the 70

Able to find?

Much recommended!

Nice one!!!

Yes, not famous for it's distortion

Not only on the internet!

On Red Alert 2 Too!

Unless their surname is Johnson

@@Barnet310 de Pfeffel Johnson to you. ;-)

He's invincible

Besten Dank!

There seem to be differences in DSP power

@@AudioPilz Which pedal would you say would have the most DSP power? I have been meaning to buy a MS70 for a while for my Synth and recently started to play the Bass and was thinking of buying the MS60B, but now I can't decide between the two

Great FX

The swiss army knife for synth enthusiasts

It is received well in guitar community as well, check all the presets and effect pedal emulations on reddit. Like the Instant Junky sim. does not sound the same, but its in the ballpark. And there are a lot of others!

Never tried it with the MS70 but according to SHOEGAZER it works fine

It's a no-brainer

Happy to hear that. Thanks for posting!

That hack blew me away. Kudos to SHOEGAZER

Pleasure! Thanks for watching!

Thank you!!!

Thanks!

Pleasure! Great hack!

Korg M1!!!

Great hack!

@@AudioPilz Do you happen to know what will happen with fx imported to a MS-70CDR when I run stereo in and out? Will it work correctly or is there an issue there?

Great bang for the buck!

Boris, my man!

Pleasure to have you around!

@@MB-kx5qs hab da wohl die Comments vertauscht;)

Nice, I gotta check it out!

How?

Yessssssssss!

Strymon is next level stuff. I usually stick to the HD reverb on the MS50G

Thanks! Keep us posted

@@AudioPilz yes do....and does this hack work on the (very pretty) G1/B1xon series....? I would need it to be a Hackintosh tho.....any word on the street or sidewalk or pavement on the 'does it work on Mac' yet?

replying to my own comment now :D here is the tech info I found pertaining to loading effects on diff- models - github.com/Barsik-Barbosik/Zoom-Firmware-Editor

Zaquencer is great. Already looking for a BCR. EPROM change - been there, done that (TR-505)

All FX are supposed to be available in the app but I haven't found a true factory reset

Yessssssss! Universe...

@@AudioPilz Ah yes that's the patchname. I still have it, but didn't play it in ages. 👍

also , love that korg m1 combi mode intro. Classic

Universe patch - timeless!!!

Haven't tried that. Would like to know too

I'd like to know too!!!

That's what I thought;)

Thanks for watching!

It'd be a pleasure to shoegaze with the SHOEGAZER! It's not easy to get hold of him, though...

Update: I have already figured out that the Effect Manager shows the available capacity of the pedal's storage:)

Yeah, it also depends on the FX type, AFAIK

Always a pleasure!

I've heard about a midi sync hack. Maybe I should do a little more research on that

@@AudioPilz I tried searching for this but haven't had much luck. I got a B1 four and a TD-3 and I imagined the rhythms and the looper, along with hackable effects, would hold me over until I got something better and be useful even after. But it's far less usable without syncing...

I love it like sharks love blood

I bought mine a week ago and it didn't, 😢😢

I think the first was created using the second but I'm not sure. It's mysterious...

Sorry, I don't have any experience with those 2

No, there's a limit based on your selection

I'd like to know too!

I'd like to have the stereo ins sometimes

@@AudioPilz better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it, as they say

If I remember right you can use more effects at a time on the 70 (than on 50 or 60). More processing power, I believe.

I just had the same quandary and saw intel on what the others stated. I was not really able to find anything clear on G1on vs ms pedals???

Geiles Teil!

Happy to hear that! THX

I'd like to know too!

Thanks! Quite some Better Gear episodes out there

Thanks! Yes, the lack of Casio on this channel is disturbing

Since we're talking Casio's, I'd suggest an episode of Bad Gear devoted to the most circuit bent keyboard of all time: the SK-1

That hack is a godsend

No looper that I am aware of in this one

I really wanna review those but they rarely get any hate

I haven't tried it but that's what people say

@@AudioPilz Ah wish id known. I have an ms50 in the post. But i think, id have to buy a whole new board to fit that on so maybe dont regret that!

@@AudioPilz yes. There are 2 types of 'effect format' They are all compatible if they are the same format. In this instance (of the OP's G1Xon model) you can load the following: Multi-effect pedals that use ZDL-effect format: ZOOM G1on ZOOM G1Xon ZOOM B1on ZOOM B1Xon ZOOM MS-50G ZOOM MS-60B ZOOM MS-70CDR

It's like a swiss army knife!!!

It would be great to open source them

bonus on the MS100BT: stereo in/out. 6 FX at once. 32-bit engine. But no looper :/

I've heard of some people who successfully did this with WINE but I haven't tried this myself

@@AudioPilz What wine are you talking about? Cabernet Voltaire Sauvignon?

Let me see if I can find it on my old computer

I'd like to hear the charming lady

I'll keep you posted as soon as I know more

Absolutely if you have some hardware synths

Nice!!!

Wow, didn't know of that limitation of the 60B

The fugly G1Xon B1Xon 8(I scored the G1 for 30€) has 5-fx-at-once. They seems to be sold out tho everywhere....

Yeah, it's a strange Eastern European cult;)

@@AudioPilz Exactly! I bet if the hack generated adds of Uli every 3 minutes, my mates would rather created a mod to keep the add in tune than loose those crispy digital fuzzes in their ms70s🤤 (Hope it makes sense)

Good to know. Sorry to hear that

It seems to work flawlessly with the MS range and some of the "ugly ones" - can't say much about the rest

This new effects editor is multilingual between all the pedals of this era. Makes sense Zoom would use same base hardware architecture and just vary software. Their strategic failure was to assume that by limiting midi access except for only the ms50g they shot themselves in the foot. Their new stuff has new hardware and better algorithms, but not that much better. If they were smart they'd kitify their own midi switching pedal addons to these legacy units and update this editor to revive this line. There are third parties doing this now.

Thanks for watching! There's a device by Disaster Area that can do this

@@AudioPilz cool, yea i'm kind of a fan of "cheaper gear" which is why i got the G1on for $40. so much power (really had just got it as a budget looper, the rest was just icing), but still just seems like syncing would be easy enough to have implemented over usb. though these days i'm using pre usb DAW so i kinda retro'd myself out of that possibility anyway.. heh.

Interesting idea!