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Better Than Harley's Road King? Indian Springfield Dark Horse... Demo, Review, Impressions

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Here's a demo ride from a few months back of the 2020 Indian Springfield Dark Horse. I've enjoyed trying out the different Indians and this bike was no exception. Indian did a great job coming out with a competitor for the Road King. Between the two, I think it comes down to personal preference. Both have lots to offer, are wicked comfortable, and tons of fun!
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@tbrestel 4 года назад

Nice review Jon. I rode the Springfield when it first came out. It fit me way better than the Road King, and it made me happy.

@grumpyoldpig 4 года назад

Had a Springfield and traded it to a chieftain limited. Both amazing bikes! Will never go back

@scottrubie6826 4 года назад

As a former chief 111 owner and now a Chieftain limited 116 rider they are awesome. The challenger gearbox and power of the motor is fantastic. The handling of the scout through to the chief, ftr, Chieftain and challenger are fantastic rides so well balanced and smooth.

@masterspin7796 4 года назад

The Harley looks pretty sharp but it's real hard not to choose the Indian I think Im leaning that way...

@jonathantyree8172 4 года назад

I love the springfield...open baggers are my style.. The sage green dark horse looks amazing..sndis get this over a king cause there's less on the road...I'd rather have something i won't see a dozon other dudes riding..

@kettabee 3 года назад

I have yet to see a vintage dark horse on the road. But I totally agree about not wanting the same as everyone else.

@gd6349 3 года назад

Man oh man brother , you make me wanna go buy me an Indian!!!! But I just can't justify spending that kind of money for a bike ,Soooooo I'll just keep on racking up the miles on my 04 Roadstar Silverado , picked her up for 3,500 bucks and she's a real beauty , and just put on some RoadBurner Double Eagles , no baffles , K&N air intake and did a full Dynojet jet kit , and man that ol girl WOKE UP!!! Great video , Really enjoyed watching it!!👍👍

@michaelschmitzerle2587 9 месяцев назад

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better 👍

@CrazyGreek80 3 года назад

Jon love your reviews your channel is the only Channel I watch if I want to really know about a motorcycle.

@davidelizabeth4933 4 года назад

These demo rides are great. You're giving these bikes free advertisement now while figuring out what to pick up on the used market later. 👍 👨‍👩‍👧 ❤

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

Thanks, guys!

@bmwrider1931 4 года назад

I might have to buy the sporty Indian . They are great bikes. Another good video brother. Hope your hanging in there.

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

Heck yeah! I saw a 2019 brand new for $10k at the dealer. Still a bit high for my liking, but a good sign that prices will be coming down once they're on the used market.

@christurner7711 7 месяцев назад

For me this is the perfect bike, i liked the road king but springfield fit me like i was born for it.i bought one in 2020 then for shot runs i bought a scout bobber in 2022, i am going to get a challenger in 24 but will never sell the springfield. Its my favorite bike of alltime

@GoDadGo 6 месяцев назад

That’s my dream bike, bro! Thanks for doing a test ride so I can watch and daydream when it’s freezing cold here in Utah 😁

@roberthicks7761 4 года назад

I have the 2019 heritage almost got the road King but happy with the one I picked , it just came off the truck wasn't even put together yet , this was a year ago .

@TheTripleDubya 4 года назад

Out of the Harleys you chose well, the Heritage feels weird to me because of the size difference but ultimately the ride is what counts and in that area the Heritage rides better and the Indian rides better again. I own the Road King and yes it is pretty good but its chassis and suspension setup is decades behind the Heritage or the Indian. The Indian has a Fox shock in the rear and a much more supple yet not spongy front end. Sure the Road King is a classic bike so is the Springfield Classic or the Chief Vintage for that matter (apples for apples and all that) but ultimately if you're doing the miles the mono shock bikes will be better but if you're only doing a couple of miles or you weigh under 80kg the Road King will be alright. I've done about 70,000 kilometres or 47,0000 miles on the Road King and yeah the Indian will come out on top until HD updates its Touring chassis, I am myself wondering what to do, stay HD with the Heritage or go for the Indian and a bunch of new riding gear ! Ha ha ha

@roberthicks7761 4 года назад

@@TheTripleDubya me being 245 pounds and 63 years old the heritage is a dream for me .

@mitchellburke6376 4 года назад

I have a '20 Heritage and I absolutely love it. I've ridden a ton of Indians, but I'll take my Heritage any day

@adyabraham2066 4 года назад

If I am not mistaking the motorcycle at second 0:50 is a Chief dark horse and not a Springfield

@michaelharnack9312 4 года назад

Don't mess with the Road 👑! Dyna Diva and Chatterbox for the Win. Poppin Jon is your Road Name. Enjoy your Easter, Stay safe.

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

hahaha! Thanks, brotha

@atylerpearce 2 года назад

I have a Springfield Dark Horse on order! Moving from 2007 Honda 1300 VTX. Cant Wait.

@taylor2105 4 года назад

Every time I go on a demo ride, there's always one or two guys that you really want to avoid. The dude ahead of you on the grey bike ticks that box. Something about his riding seems sketchy.

@taylor2105 4 года назад

@@SkinnySkates Yep, I've never seen an actual crash. But I've had a guy lose it and fly right by me while we slowed down on a very tight corner. He acted like it wasn't a big deal, but he was inches away on that Harley. I saw a guy go right sideways down shifting extremely hard on a set of train tracks. Somehow he caught it I go to check out the bikes too, but I buy and sell enough of them that I'd be likely to buy a bike if it stood out enough(the havnt stood out enough to pay new price on many yet) There are always those bad riders like you say

@harleydave2316 4 года назад

Thanks for the ride! I'll pick my rks all day long. Love that bike!!! 😃

@Jansan1352 4 года назад

Although some of the Indian video used was the chief Dark Horse and not the Springfield.

@DFord301 4 года назад

I love my Springfield Dark Horse..i just wish there was more after market parts. I can't even get a Memphis Shades windshield like they do for the Road Kings...

@FranBunnyFFXII 4 года назад

Sadly its because Indian barely sells any bikes compared to harley so it's too risky for companies to do research and development to make aftermarket parts.

@DFord301 4 года назад

FranBunnyFFXII yea you’re probably right. I just hope Polaris doesn’t dump Indian like they did Victory in 10yrs 🤔

@dallasslim1838 10 месяцев назад

That dark horse edition is sick!!!! Beautiful bike

@ridetilltheend 4 года назад

took out a 2020 RKS earlier this year wanting to love it and make a deal day of. after solo ride. it was Meh. was totally disappointed in the ride. new 114 was great but the suspension/handling was lacking. Took new darkhorse out and totally blew it away. 114 was smoother but the ride was so much better than harley. I cant see paying RKS price and then drop another g on rear suspension

@starrider1900 4 года назад

Enjoy your resale value

@ridetilltheend 4 года назад

@@starrider1900 how many people truly base vehicle decisions on resale value? Maybe if you are a collector I ride or drive. My raced wrx has 111k my daily JK that I wheel has 113k. I believe most people could care less on resale

@starrider1900 4 года назад

@@ridetilltheend I'm just saying The fit and finish on a Harley Davidson is top notchThe main reason I did not buy an Indian Motorcycle was I felt like I was just be buying another metric motorcycle

@ridetilltheend 4 года назад

@@starrider1900 I can't disagree with you on that RKS is beautiful built machine.

@bolreig8840 4 года назад

Best place to see Harley resale values? All the traded in Harleys at Indian dealerahips.

@greenacres1909 4 года назад

The biggest perk to an Indian is you don’t have to deal with the asshats at the HD dealership taking shot to you and then have to get in their face and shut them down for being total asshats and disrespecting your ride that you came to the HS dealership on if it’s anything but a HS- ridden 46 years and owned dozens of bikes- I love MOTORCYCLES- HD salesmen only love hd and will talk to you like shit if you come up there on anything else- had it happen many times and the reason HD is the only bike I would never consider owning anymore.

@stephenhollingsworth9158 2 года назад

The ad at the beginning was actually a Cheif Dark Horse. Both great bikes but I prefer the look of the Springfield a little more with the hard bags.

@mikekosar6135 4 года назад

Nice..😎BIG bike's!!😎 my personal favorite is the chieftain.. haven't seen the challenger yet 🙄 Indian would love my business.. they send me mail religiously.. 🤔maybe some day..👍

@stantonhigham4690 4 года назад

Rocking a Dixxon flannel I see! Very nice review man!

@logedabbin6148 4 года назад

I just realized you’re in my neck of the woods. This looks like north Scottsdale by the Go Az and Costco. Dope! Love the videos man.

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

Heck yeah! I'm a bit south in chandler, but still pretty close. Thanks, brotha!

@youngyarnzy777 4 года назад

Definitely a nice bit of machinery

@s.gossett5966 4 года назад

I tested a few Indian back before the new motors. What I noticed was the powerband was somewhere between a Harley and Japanese cruisers. So less off the line grunt but you didn't have to wrong it out either. I am 5'10" with long arms so the stock riding position was pretty much perfect for me. But I can definitely understand why you might want pullbacks.

@upsidedowndog1256 4 года назад

I can appreciate what Polaris did with the Victory brand. They tried to do everything better than HD and they did that. Killing off that brand for the Indian name was a bad move in my opinion. The bikes may be great but why emulate HD when its bikes are good to ride? HD and Polaris must be smoking too much good shit, Jon! And HD killing the Dyna line. Go figure. .

@CactusJack252 4 года назад

upside downdog when you look at sales numbers it is obvious why victory was discontinued. Victory also never made a profit while it was open. I wish they didn’t close down but not enough people bought their bikes.

@upsidedowndog1256 4 года назад

@@CactusJack252 That is very true. They were better bikes than HD ever thought about making except for maybe the VRod. My point is leave stupid bikes to HD, they will drown in its "success", Victory should have gone a different direction. The Japanese 4 effectively killed HD and the Brit bikes. No doubt why, electric start and brakes that worked, electronics too. AMF gave HD a lifeline that got them to here. They did good for a few decades after but their fan base is dwindling fast. Victory should have done "different". Indian is more of the same crap in a dwindling market.

@vulcanman64 4 года назад

I know both bikes very well and it in no way compares to the road king. The Indian looks beautiful but it’s mostly plastic and reminds me of a Japanese bike. The road king feels planted while the Indian does not.

@theprescotts8463 3 года назад

The vid in this review is ALL over the place! Beginning at 0:47... I would mark every spot you have a different model shown than the Springfield Dark Horse, but just don't have enough time. Pretty egregious at 0:47 and 1:15 as that is CLEARLY a Chief Dark Horse...

@cvo.j7893 4 года назад

Maybe I'm biased but something about them just doesn't do it for me

@russcoaus2043 4 года назад

Hi bro nice stuff as always great test ride🕶🇦🇺👍

@misterj5045 4 года назад

Polaris is trying to compete with Harley and I expect that to push Harley to improve certain areas.

@kramerdm 3 года назад

Not trying! They are definitely competing with HD!

@misterj5045 3 года назад

@@kramerdm I'm not quoting solid statistics but I believe Harley has around 30% total new sales in 2020, with the various Japanese imports holding the majority of sales under this. Indian is difficult to find numbers on but I believe they are lumped together into the remaining 15%. You are correct in stating that they are competing, as anyone selling a product in the same market is just that, a competitor, but I don't think they have the sales numbers yet. Competition is generally a good thing for the consumer and pushes brands to improve, knowing that they aren't the only game in town.

@misterj5045 3 года назад

I guess what I dislike about the Indian motorcycles is how closely they seem to mimic the existing HD models being sold in styling and appearance. I know they tweaked them mechanically and added more of a classic appearance to the styling of some of their bikes, but they haven't shown me originality, and trying to clone someone else's work pisses me off.

@mwoods607 4 года назад

Indian is the only way to go. Love mine, and I've road a lot of bikes including the Road King.

@pb6769 4 года назад

The new Indians are well made but I just can’t get past the genders and the weary plastic look. I’ll keep my King police edition. The one thing I doo like better is the floor board position. A little more forward and the upward angle is comfortable. Great review

@ericjudd9603 4 года назад

I test drove this and loved it👍 wanted to move the bars forward but awesome overall

@thanosetsitty1896 4 года назад

Nice looking bike. Great review!

@jonnymac8925 4 года назад

The rocker boxes, and rear fender are so beyond hideous. It doesn't look good to me, but tht is just me. I like some of the Indian line up, and I REALLY dig the FTR1200. Harley has the new 1250custom flat tracker for 2021 to compete with it. The new 1250custom is alleged to have more power than the FTR1200 (120HP) while the 1250Custom is said to have 145HP, but even if it has more power the looks and other upsides of the FTR would have me pick the Indian over Harley for once in my life, but that may change when I see the 1250custom in person. Either way, I will own one of them in the next year or so!

@sportglidejim9001 4 года назад

Jon that's a copy of the RK for sure and did Indian mention the major recall on the Challenger? Nice review😎

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

Just looked into the recall...vid to come! Lol. Thanks, brotha!

@MessyGarageBMW 2 года назад

The b-roll you were using was of the Vintage darkhorse (previously the chief darkhorse) not the springfield darkhorse.

@thedoty5729 4 года назад

I've got a couple Harleys, with all the trouble they are in I am pushing towards Indian Challenger for my next bike.

@soorajsaikumar 4 года назад

I have test rode the dark horse, but i like roadking more for its look and finish.

@sirglogglubardons150 4 года назад

I love my indian

@DuartesGarage 4 года назад

80% of the fun in a Harley is building it specifically for you and I just don’t see that in an Indian like I do Harley

@scoutandscooter 4 года назад

Really? 80%? Just seems like a waste of money and time. I've been riding my Yamaha Stratoliner for eleven years. Only modification is an engine guard (which should have been standard).

@DuartesGarage 4 года назад

Scott Edson My pops has been riding his road glide for 20, it was the only thing he ever bought new and he’s put over $100,000 into that bike. I’m 19 and bought my dyna for $4000 and plan to work my ass off to make it look like it doesn’t belong to a 57 year old man’s bike with leather saddle bags and meat hook apes. When something is your passion spending money isn’t the first concern

@Steve-ec6ed 4 года назад

bro I gotta say Im liking the reviews. Should do these more often

@JohnnyRebKy 4 года назад

I still can't figure out what's the difference between chief and Springfield. A little different rake and hard bags . Is that it?? People compare chief to the softails but chief is a lot bigger than a Softail.

@luisbarrera5835 Год назад

Should do a longer ride review

@GasWorksISO 4 года назад

The guy leading that demo ride needs to chill before he gets someone hurt. No reason to be hauling ass and riding like that on a demo. Just my opinion...

@joshuastelter8074 4 года назад

Right he acts like he's on a sportbike

@JonsMotoGarage 4 года назад

Lol. No joke. It was a wild demo ride!

@2wheelobsessed 4 года назад

Gas Works Garage Looks like a great demo to me, you don’t know what a bikes got if you can’t try it out

@aaronlaro2083 4 года назад

Also I wish these companies would do demo rides where i'm at but it seams like they only stick to the southern states and I live 30 minutes from Polaris Industries in Roseau MN where Indian is made.

@tonibeitlich9948 4 года назад

Thanks for showing 👍

@bearclaw2839 2 года назад

Your riding and reviewing a Springfield dark horse, but it keeps cutting out to a indian video of a chief dark horse 🤔

@EasyRiderGreg 4 года назад

I prefer the Road King. The Springfield Dark Horse looks ugly IMO. Those fender skirts? No way! The way the engine looks turns me off too. Those other Indian Baggers look a lot better to me. So did the scrambler. Stay safe and healthy

@myrongrant8240 4 года назад

Pics in video is not a Springfield dark horse Springfield dark horse has saddle bags

@pmaint1 3 года назад

That's not a Springfield dark horse. It's a chief dark horse.

@richiejr8756 4 года назад

LOUD and PROUD 👍😎

@shawnvannatta5415 4 года назад

Dude the little commercial clips you had were the chief dark horse not the Springfield.

@JohnnyRebKy 3 года назад

The road king is KING for a reason 👍

@kramerdm 4 года назад

Great review. Excellent machine! 1st

@camouflage962 2 дня назад

its looks cannot compete

@steamdome9162 4 года назад

Please tell me those tank stickers are easily removable? Stock the bike is ugly. Those fenders have got to go.

@skyking1964 4 года назад

RK is prettier and made for a small fellow..more cool...springfield is made for a big fellow. ...better handling and power.

@justinturner4850 4 года назад

“Indian” makes Cool looking bikes but I can’t see past the Polaris. They seem alright but they aren’t an “Indian” motorcycle to me. Polaris bought a badge. They make cool side by sides and stuff but they can’t say that they have the heritage of the Harley or the old Indian brand. Honestly though I like to take my bikes on the twisties so I wouldn’t buy a road king either.

@mikesideburns9791 4 года назад

Dude no offense but that's your problem. "Old" Indian is not coming back. I am just happy they are keeping an American brand alive at this point. And this is coming from a guy who owns a Harley. I may go Indian next time because of Harley's shenanigans with their sourcing.

@jakegreenberg9357 4 года назад

Is it me or is audio only on the right channel?

@michaelpiper5795 5 месяцев назад

Isn’t that a chief? Springfields come with bars andbags

@justcoolin3384 3 года назад

What bars were those in the Road king?

@Anonymous594 4 года назад

Are you gonna give it a JonScore?

@nogroup5861 4 года назад

Nah man. It's still a [brand y]. [Brand x]s are way more special.

@shanemcallister1734 4 года назад

I’ll stick with my CVO Pro Street Breakout

@dadmadforgot4050 4 года назад

Where’s the corners?

@kodiakbear3077 3 года назад

Top speed?

@shoei07 4 года назад

Thought this was a Adam Sandoval Rides video from the thumbnail

@lindacruz2367 4 года назад

It's pretty sweet Jon. but H-D has the 131 !😎

@JefferyT 4 года назад

For how much over MSRP?

@sivvinod3187 3 года назад

@@JefferyT 35 grand.

@sivvinod3187 3 года назад

@@JefferyT it's already 25k stock, and 131 costs 10k.

@FranBunnyFFXII 4 года назад

Road King Special and Springfield Dark Horse are super closely matched but the RKS comes out in edge with value in terms of accessory prices, and minor details. Like the RKS comes with a stock standard set of crashbars, which indian charges 410$ for the front. Indian and Harley both have a rear crashbar saddlebag protector, and Indian charges 310$ for theirs, and harley charges 250$, Then there's the oil cooler, which is stock on the Harley, but costs 310$ for the indian plus labor, because indian does not let you install it yourself and maintain your warranty. So if you tit for tat price match the bikes, the RKS is $23K, and the SDH is $23.2K Once you got into accessories though, which everyone who rides these kinds of bikes, always do... Indian starts really taking the expensive crown to heart. The RKS has more power down low and for longer, and the Indian has more power up top, but for a shorter range. Bu the RKS has the advantage of uber amounts of upgrades that the indian cant' get because IIRC the TS116 stock is just a TS111 manufactured with that bigbore cylinder set as stock. You'd get way more out of the RKS than Indian, but you could save a few bucks getting the indian if you like it stock standard.

@CactusJack252 4 года назад

FranBunnyFFXII I would buy the standard chieftain over the SDH. Why not get the fairing and all for pretty much the same price? You can also get the Electra glide standard for 19k

@Paiste18 4 года назад

I would have to disagree with this. I got my Springfield Dark Horse for 21,000 out the door, I priced a Road King and I was at 22,000 OTD. The only mods needed were Slip-ons and an LED headlight. It comes with Mini Apes already. If I bought a Road King, I would have to first start off with changing out all the marker lights to LED (which should be standard IMO) , slip-ons, Bars, LED Headlight, I mean your are going spend a lot more out of the box with the Harley, and that's just getting it up to where the Indian is out of the gate. Because putting in LED lights all the way around isn't mods, its just what should be, plus the Indian has, ride control, tire sensors, better ride, more power, Power locking bags. It's just my opinion, but having owned both the Indian is the way to go!

@FranBunnyFFXII 4 года назад

@@Paiste18 No. the Dark Horse does not have more power. The M8 has more power than the TS111. This has been shown several times with Dynographs. The TS111 is 74HP, 100TQ Rear Wheel The M8 107 is 81hP, 98.5TQ Rear Wheel The M8 114 is 86HP. 107TQ Rear Wheel. Also the Dark Horse Springfield does not have LED Lamps all around. The headlamp is Halogen. You pricing up a Road King Standard which is 2000$ less than the Springfield, comes with a windshield, dual crash bars standard, and passing lamps. So no, you're not getting more out of the box from indian. You get a few nicknack features, but it seems you aren't even aware of what you actually get standard on that bike. You got a lucky deal at the dealership. That is all that happened here. You got Lucky. Means they had a model there that they sprused up to get someone to buy it. You were in the right place at the right time. This could happen at a Harley dealer too. You cannot judge a lucky sale vs MSPR and market value products. We're talking actual MSRP here, not sales. You got lucky. That is all. This is why people need to do their research before buying.

@Paiste18 4 года назад

@@FranBunnyFFXIIAlso my price was on a RK Special. That's comparable to a Dark Horse

@FranBunnyFFXII 4 года назад

@@Paiste18 Still doesn't negate the fact that you got lucky. RKS at that price is also a great deal. You cant debate at price points when you got lucky. That sorta stuff doesnt apply to everyone. When talking about price and value, you have to use nominal values, not anecdotes. M8 114 is more powerful than the TS116 btw. TS platform still only has 2 valves per cylinder. M8 has 4, and dual spark plugs. If you had to pay MSRP on both bikes, the RKS would be a better deal in terms of stock features.

@thestcroixkid 4 года назад

Id have to ditch that front fender, trade it for the one on the bagger...its hideous...

@bikebilderbear6786 4 года назад

I'm pretty sure Indian makes a pretty good bike but I never have been a fan old ones new ones I just don't get my nipples twisted by anything there Indian makes.

@jeffwalker1322 4 года назад

Were you afraid to add some volume to your video. I couldn’t hear a damn thing.

@srad98ful 4 года назад

Cool bike but that from fender is fugly

@BlastHands 4 года назад

I just wish they would get rid of the rear wheel side-skirts, an open wheel looks much better

@Presence_of_Mind_ 4 года назад

Indians look nice sound nice, but those thunderstrokes rocker boxes look like mushrooms

@ed3tun 4 года назад

Short answer, no.

@wyattfuchs6839 4 года назад

Looks like a pretty sweet ride! Also if anyone is in search of a Dyna! Hit me up! 2010 Dyna Super Glide

@CHIM601 4 года назад

Wyatt Fuchs price

@wyattfuchs6839 4 года назад

I_H8_OLD_PPL 10,000 if you search the Las Vegas area on Craigslist you can see pictures of it

@wheelman8637 4 года назад

Mileage?

@wyattfuchs6839 4 года назад

Wheel Man 17,600 miles roughly, since I’ll be riding it until I sell it

@zerofuckkksgiven8027 4 года назад

The fact that Indian has been in and out of business several times will never make them better then Harley! Done!

@GEN084 10 месяцев назад

It looks better and faster than road king for sure

@Darkwingduck94 4 года назад

Still a polaris

@michaellawton3271 2 года назад

It will never give the road king a run got it’s money that thing is all plastic.

@talkingrock7011 4 года назад

It’s not a bike that interest me would rather have a road king

@tritonwatcher2459 4 года назад

First

@srhintz 4 года назад

Nope

@robertsantos4310 4 года назад

Hello hello hello hello hello

@Notimetoplaywu 3 месяца назад

Indian is the best, sorry Harley.

@aaronlaro2083 4 года назад

i need to get me one of these

@WildOn2sVlog 4 года назад

Indian! Lol

@mariansorop9429 4 года назад

.::And the winner is?....Road King 😁😁 🥳🥳🥳🥳

@Clorox__Bleach. 4 года назад

And at the end of the day its just another rebadged victory trying to be a Harley

@jasonstover1471 4 года назад

In the end it's a Polaris trying to be better than anything Harley has released

@Stoney-Lawson 4 года назад

@@jasonstover1471 and it never will be.

@everettbranscom6536 4 года назад

And it IS better than anything Harley has released. Almost everyone I know that's been on both machines admits that the Indian is the better motorcycle. Harley's been at the bottom of the motorcycle world for some time.

@jasonstover1471 4 года назад

As someone that had spent a whole day test drive Harley's at the dealer the other day And driving motorcycles for almost 10 years I decided to buy a 2013 Victory highball over a new Harley street Bob or low rider