Atlantis Stars - The thing is that we, as people, have very little tolerance for men being violent to women despite us having lots of immoral tolerance for women being violent to men. So, this screenwriter brilliantly made the choice to keep Ed restrained so that the viewers would not lose sympathy for him.
@@davidtan8247 She went looking elsewhere for fulfillment because she couldn't find it in her relationship with Ed. For her to say "it's not about you" is incredibly selfish and perfectly illustrates how little she thinks of him. Yes, *her* actions ruined the marriage but it is absolutely 100% about *both* of them.
Eddie M It’s her own fault she did those things, not Ed’s. Sure the marriage possibly being ruined is both their problem but Ed did nothing wrong. This is all Madeline’s doing.
“To get my ears checked” is the reason my wife and I can’t watch her shows together. She is mortified watching the scene, and I can’t stop laughing at that line.
@@dakashoes4702 scared for the characters and their situation it's a tense moment i was also scared when i watched it bc i was worried ab what would happen to their relationship
He's the most amazing husband made all the more heart-breaking because you know he absolutely ADORES her! In the first season he even said that he's the lucky one because he gets to wake up every morning with the girl of his dreams.
I think it's really significant when Ed said, "My daughter--and, yes, I do think of her as a daughter..." because this show has mostly focused on the relationships between biological parents and their children. In that respect, Ed's been excluded from much of the discussion. But stepfathers and stepmothers are just as much a part of the discussion at hand.
@@catlady3147 I personally feel like those shots in which we see him look at her, people have assigned too much meaning to that. It didn't suggest much to me at the time. Perhaps because Ed's character is not as sexual as others, we want to assign meaning that isn't there.
@@lucieswenson262 it was a scene where they were both in the kitchen and he was looking at her from afar. Just for a brief second, he was watching her and it made think he was attracted to her.
I had an eerily similar "Ed" experience and, trust me, this scene nails it. The half-hearted, no-tear apology... the "it's about me" excuses... Madeline wanting to know what Ed is thinking after years of keeping secrets... the sudden desire to seek counseling after the damage is done. Best of all... Ed's pain being driven by the loss of trust rather than the physical affair. Brilliant!
Syifa Mutiara she didn’t seek out the affair because of something that she lacked in her relationship with her husband but lack of something in herself. Weird choice of words through. It was lust and desire and that’s it in my opinion.
Sorry, can't relate. I guess that's how white people handle affairs. Very calm, composed and objective. If this was a black, latino or asian couple, forget it. The scene would look nothing like this at all.
Lissandra Freljord i don’t think is a matter of race. I think is a matter of how deeply she doesn’t really want to stay in that relationship. She’s not even crying much. And him as a character is understanding and calm so after leaving and reflecting he just came back to say his mind and leave
@@GloriaC333 I'm just happy that Madeline took responsibility and admitted that it was her own selfishness and nothing else. I've seen cheaters handle the repercussions of their actions in far worse ways.
His acting was brilliant. He even creep me out a little bit standing in the doorway. But I always assumed he knew since the car accident. Madeline even told him once that she made a terrible mistake and he told her don't say it. All of this during the days they had conversations about their non existent sexual lives.
I thought he knew as well or at least highly suspected. I forgot he never had it confirmed. Assuming they weren't coming back for a season 2, I thought that heartfelt embrace they had at the end of season 1 was him letting go of his suspicions and the show telling us they would be all right.
Yo Benjamin Are you actually defending her cheating behaviour? Are you good? Non existent sex lives? Sounds like you are even coming up with reasons as to why she cheated. If life isnt good with your partner anymore then atleast have the courage to end it. Cutting off a conversation is something people when they fear the worst. Its natural but its also obvious that he wasnt 100% sure that she cheated instead she thought about getting away with it scott-free
Ed had a small *ick. So he married a divorcee single mom. No self respecting man would marry any woman with a baggage and tend to other man's kid. But Ed is a perfect example of a beta simp male.
When Madeline said it wasn’t about him, it was about her she was right. Ed’s the picture perfect husband- he’s kind, he’s caring, he’s loving, everything. But Madeline has shown that she’s the one with the issues, and what sucks the most is Ed is there throughout all of them. She’s still in love with her ex husband, and kinda compares Ed to her ex. Even after it’s been 15 years. This affair with the director was just the cherry on top of the cake. Madeline is a good friend at times, yes. But she is a narcissistic, self absorbed, and selfish character. In terms of her family all she cares about is herself, and what she wants. From her daughter saying she wanted to basically do a non profitable charity that builds houses for the poor, and yelling at her for that. To taking her daughter to Disney on ice instead of a birthday party that her daughter said she wanted to go to. All over a vendetta against another mom. To cheating on her husband who adores, and loves her just like any woman would dream. To still loving her ex even though he still has a new wife, and daughter. All while comparing her new husband to her old ex. She’s honestly the worst character.
The only time she has redeemable qualities is with her friends, and even then what she did with her exes wife was selfish. The girl was right, she would’ve gotten off in the matter of self defense and there was six eye witnesses. But she said one thing, and everyone else followed. Now she has to live with a dirty secret that she can’t even tell anybody about. And Madeline is like “you can talk to us about it” like that’s not the point. lol.
Honestly, if your still in love with an ex-Bf/husband or ex-gf/wife. Why get into a new relationship, HEAL first. Nif your not ready or willing to love your new partner. Wholeheartedly & unconditionally why do it. Just for you to cause damage. Cause you wanna have your cake and eat it too. SMFH
She definitely does not deserve him.. cheating, lying and not even giving him the chance to know the truth after being confronted. She’s not ready to be in a committed relationship
It's pathetic he loves a girl that isn't his that has so little respect and care for him that she kept a lie like that from him, where the only one in the relationship being severely affected by it is him.
@@raider1297 who hurt you? Lots of biological kids(unfortunately) keep the secret of their parents infidelities. Given her younger sister's age Ed has been in her life since she was little girl herself and clearly cares for her.
This scene made me think of that quote from When Harry Sally. "Marriages don't break down on account of infidelity. It's a symptom something else is wrong". "Yeah? Well, that symptom is screwing my wife".
Madeline is basically my ex… she said the same exact thing to me a few days ago after I found out she’d cheated for yrs on me. Beware of ppl like this. They are very manipulative the best thing to do is not even show any emotion towards them & leave.
"It's about me." - You shouldn't have an opinion. "It's about us." - You should share in the blame/you should want to fix this. "Moment of weakness." - You should be strong and live with this. All of it was about trying to take power away from him while saddling with responsibility. This is some of the most realistic writing I've ever seen when it comes to a woman trying to manage the discovery of her infidelity. All the way up to the complete lack of actual tears until he firmly assigned accountability to her, where it belongs.
@@ceddie5stl That doesn't mean he doesn't love her. It was a tough place for a kid to be put in. Personally, I'd be upset that my kid didn't tell me, but I'd understand completely why they didn't. That isn't a position anyone should ever put their child in. And her keeping that from him didn't make him see her as any less of his daughter. The real blame is on Madelyn for being a lying witch.
@@mattsimmons3580 true, but the biggest thing a 304 never expects is when their loyal simp of 15+ years crashes her gravy train then sets it on fire just like Ed did.
@Gary Henzler but she has responsibility within her own marriage to maintain, which is not to divulge in infidelity- it is not a mistake to go against that, she ultimately still had the decision to go forward with it or decline. Cheating, whether it be on the fault of either party, is still bad.
@Gary Henzler bruh shut the fuck up cheating isn't a mistake it's a choice you might be one of the people who cheat so you think cheating is a mistake.
@Gary Henzler cheating is never a mistake unless someone was raped or forced to partake in it,are you saying that the director forced himself on her? Couldnt she defend herself? Someone can only seduce someone when they want to be seduced,vulnerability? she is a married woman and he is a married man,she wanted to fuck someone and she did,no mistake there,she knew what she was doing and so did he,they a both pieces of shit.Never ever say that cheating is a mistake,only time it is,is when one party is forced into it by a threat or physical assault,even then its more of a crime rather than a fucking mistake.
Once someone cheats don't give them a second chance dump them asap and make them learn a hard lesson in life. Once you break someone's trust it can't be put back together.
I appreciate Adam Scott being in this kind of show, his character is more of a calmer character that goes through serious moments that really elevates the tension for this kind of show.
This is women in general when theyve done something bad. It felt right in the moment so it must have been right then. Only when there is consequences a woman doesn't want does she FEEL she was wronged not did wrong but wronged by circumstances she couldn't control.
@@Hcaz1113 cheating men do the same. Blame the wife, stress whatever bs circumstance but themselves and lack of morality. Cheaters are inexcusable no matter the sex.
Perfect on how the affair was managed by the writers without the usual stereotypes. He never gets angry, throws or break things, threatens her, or even rise his voice.
It's the new age thinking. Emasculate men {particularly husbands} let them suffer betrayal and humiliation, and pressure him to reconcile with the cheating slut with no atonement or comeuppance on her part....
I adore him as well and can't wait for him to get out of his wives shadow. It's all about her... However, I hope he won't cheat with Bonnie as the previous episode suggested.
@@srkh8966 Its HBO, everyone is just a little off or bat shit insane 😂. Also, I think its the bullying in his youth and then the constant belittling from Madeleine and outright rudeness of her ex that has taken a toll on him.
It's hard to tell which is worse here Madeline cheating on her husband or the fact that she tried to negotiate marriage counseling with Ed after she acted like the affair never happened.
She has no respect for him.he does need to leave her. He's a great husband. Side note I thought he said he needed to leave to get his "gears checked" the first time and now I see he said he needed to get his "ears checked" and yes I understand I should get my ears checked too.
He wont leave her, that would be a really firm move and this show is more focused on building up the women. I guarantee you Ed forgives her otherwise it's like Madeline "lost" and they wont write that.
@@grapeape888 If that's really the way the writers are going about it, it would be a shame. Strong women can be at fault too. Empowering women doesn't have to mean giving them endless chances even after they are in the wrong. I honestly think Ed deserves better. Maddie isn't a bad person but she has done some bad things and that's what I liked about her. She is real, she is empathetic but she makes awful mistakes too.
@@TalkAsSoftAsChalk At what point does making awful mistakes turn into you're an awful person though? How much leeway is it exactly? you have to call a spade a spade and giving her character all this extra room to screw up doesn't help people like her. From Ed's POV, she's an awful person and deserves the title.
@@grapeape888 Yeah I agree with you. She’s an awful person. You can’t keep making mistakes and calling it mistakes. especially when you’re fully aware, what you’re is wrong ASF.
I just recently finished watching Parks and Recreation, before that however I wasn’t really familiar with Adam Scott and his work so I totally forgot that he was also in Big Little Lies. But after watching Parks and Rec and coming back to this scene? The RANGE that Adam Scott has is just incredible. You wouldn’t even believe that he caused the “Ice town” incident 😂
She is beyond lucky Ed reconciled with her in the end. She didn't deserve it at all. Even in the episodes when Ed is estranged from her, she still daydreamed about the AP, never about Ed. She only had remorse after she was caught and was even yelling at Ed towards the end of the series to make up his mind. Dude was beyond decent and even had a chance to have his own affair with the wife of the guy Madeline was fucking, but turned her down. He was way better than I would have been.
The same reason a woman would cheat on a dude like that is the same reason the dude took her back. He's weak, has no self-respect and is the perfect man to play games with for a woman.
this is why madeline has always been my least favorite character. what does she mean "it's not about you?" this is just as much his marriage as much as it is hers and it's his wife that's getting nailed by the theater director. it has everything to do with him.
Yup. By her saying that, it's pure projection. She thought he was so weak and stay but then he had the audacity to get mad and leave her. Even simps have a threshold of tolerance for this when enough is enough.
@Christina Jones Is this how you control your husband, too. You disagree with him, then before he can expound on his point of view you cut him off and end all debate? It's a pretty typical maneuver and it usually works best on betas. But it doesn't work on alphas. And alphas don't stick around after the woman they loved betrays them by fucking some other swinging dick.
In these shows the dude always forgives them in the end, when the roles are reversed the women always finds someone "better" think they almost always normalize women cheating in marriages lol
LOL (kinda) this is the DDay moment from 90% of Reddit Surviving Infidelity stories Her stupid feeble dishonest cowardly words are the go to response for cheaters caught red handed. She told her daughter? YUCK!
I wish the poor guy would have grown some balls and left her ass at the end of the series. She wasn't sorry for cheating on him she was sorry she got caught.
@@mogwaiman6048 Lol how tf is somebody a simp to their wife. Stfu y’all use that word to loosely and don’t even know wtf it mean. 😑 he’s a beta-male for sure but a simp no.
i've never not liked any of reese witherspoon's characters but ohhh man, i was looking at her with disgust! she is such a great actress oh my god i gotta watch this show
The way his hands were shaking as he was talking - you could really see his anger and how hurt he was despite the fact that he wasn’t yelling or acting violent
I can't imagine a guy thinking of his stepdaughter as his own, loving her like that a got to know that his wife is unfaithful to him and his step daughter know about it but chooses to side with his mother instead of her father by keeping it secret from him
Even then the court would still rule in favor of the wife, force the husband to pay alimony and child support and dress him as the true cause behind the wife's infidelity.
Sorry but everything aside Abigail is an entitled child, whos mother is not making her accountable for any thing in her life. She doesn't even realize how privileged she is to have the means to go to any university, reminds me of parents paying for there kids to get into any school they want. Sad commentary of parents raising their children in the 21st century. Perfect example.
While watching this, I am thinking falling out of love is understandable, feeling attracted to someone else is understandable but why cheat... Just be honest, end that relationship if you don't feel fulfilled.... Why do you need to hurt the person you once loved... Why!? For what!? Things maybe hard but you are not the only one in a relationship... Why are trying to get a revenge for nothing!? I think people like this are just selfish... "I only need physical pleasure, I still love my husband /wife, it's a one time thing, everything is normal".. This doesn't work... What if your partner does the same or if your relatives /kids find out... Just spare yourself and others and end the relationship!!
Cheating is better because it means the person still cares about the relationship and wants to keep it alive. Breaking off the relationship straight up at the first sign of doubt is more hurtful.
I never understood why people loved her character she's was selfish, self righteous and she treated a good , honest loyal man like crap and millions of women loved her scray to think of that
She is strong, has a career while raising 2 kids, is a loyal friend. And what's wrong with being selfish?? For centuries women have been told that they don't matter. Having a character who shows is okay to be selfish it's a nice refreshment. As for Ed, he was a simp. Annoying, clingy and whiny. Not the kind of man a woman dreams of. He is lucky she looked at him twice
This scene prove even writing cant allow women to see what they did is wrong. Men have only one thing they need and it is respect and shows like this shows no respect for men.
I remember in 2007 when i found a message on my ex wifes phone from her boyfriend. It was accidental. I couldn't find my phone in the truck. Hers was in there so I used it to call mine. Instead of dialing my number I dialed hers. I guess out of habit. It went to her voicemail and there he was telling her he loved her. We were at my parents for Christmas. When I went to walk back in she was in the carport by herself. I told her I found my phone and that her boyfriend called and said he loves her.I handed her her phone and walked inside. I never said a word about it to my family that day.
The more I think about it. The more I realize Abigail and Chloe are just like there mother. Madeline runs her mouth and spilling the business of others constantly through the series. Then you find Abigail runs her mouth about the theater director and Chloe runs her mouth about Twins having a secret brother 🤐🚪💁♀️
No. Abigail "ran her mouth" to her mother about her mother's own business, that her mother directly confided in her, in the privacy of their own home when she thought they were alone, because she was told they were alone. And Chloe, an innocent kid who's what, 8, 9 years old? only mentioned something about Ziggy with no malicious intent. That's not the same thing at all as Madeline, an adult who should know better, gossiping negatively to all her friends about other people's business, There's only one actual example of "running one's mouth" in these three scenarios, and it's Madeline the two faced gossip queen. "Running her mouth" is such a negative, accusatory phrase that victimizers/predators like to use in reflexive defense against people who have called them out, and should be used sparingly.
WHAT IS US? Ed, he was right in stating it and made the right call in walking away and ending the marriage cause she didn't stop her affair in the beginning.
Here's a show full of amazing, A-List, Academy Award-winning actors and it's Adam Scott's character that makes me take the most notice. He kills it in this show.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Reese Witherspoon, Laura Dern, Nicole Kidman, and Meryl Streep all have Oscars. My point is that he is an amazing actor but doesn't have the reputation as these heavy hitters but still held his own.
If he hadn't by chance overheard them, she may have let him grow old without knowing. It would be hard to know, but better than not knowing, i imagine.
Jusy been here, they will always make you feel like its your fault. If you have no kids with them, dont even try to understand anything. If u try understanding them, the gaslighting will get you!
