@V P well yeah, he's attributing a direct quote to someone who didn't make the quote. That's his intention by putting those words in air quotes. I already said I agreed with his general point. He doesn't have to lie or embellish what was said. That's a Trump move
@@jackthe_tripper2544 no, Flerfs and climate change deniers are less crazy than religious tards, they are misapplying skepticism and lacking knowledge so they are withholding belief/acceptance while Xtians are just making shit up, period. All of them are crazy and lack epistemological tools but religious people always take the prize.
The problem is that the genesis creation story is ass-backwards and wrong. Why? Because the authors didn't have a clue, therefore the god they created didn't have a clue either...
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***** So you're saying when O'Reily asked Maher if we would live in a better world if we follow Jesus' teachings including loving others, serving others, and living a morally correct life such as not lying or stealing or murdering, you think O'Reily said it wrong?
Alex Grachek Alex, if we followed the teachings of Jesus or Socrates or Confucius or any of the great teachers of history, yes, our world would be a better place. But you don't need to be a Christian in order to be a good person. Morals are like heredity -- they are wired into your being and nature. Reason and common sense tell me that doing good unto others should come from the heart not from fear of hell. As to O'Reilly, he is a cherry picker when it comes to religion. And the cherry of the day for him is the Catholic Church. If you challenge O'Reilly and say, "Sir, there are well over 1000 religions in the world, all making the claim to truth -- why is yours the true religion?" He has no reasonable and mature answer other than to say in so many words, "Because I was taught that way by my Church and grew up that way." Wouldn't you prefer to have a friend, Alex, who helps you from the goodness of his heart rather than from the fear of cowardice because his religion commands him, "Be good, or go to hell."
I'm not saying you need to be a Christian to be a good person either. But I have to disagree with your claim about how we shouldn't know what's right or wrong whether there is a God or not. If the world existed for millions and millions of years like atheists claim and animals back then before evolution slaughtered each other and ate each other and raped each other, why can't we rape and kill and eat each other? What you are saying when we should just know what is right and wrong naturally from our hearts is impossible because no one told us murdering and stealing and other bad stuff is wrong. i.e. If evolution was correct and humans today came here because we evolved from other animals by rape (because animals force themselves on each other), then why can't we rape today? Also, let me give you my reasons for my Christian faith and why it's true (following up on you Bill O'Reily/Catholic Church comment). 1. We have mountains and mountains of evidence to support many historical findings in the bible, biggest examples would be Jerusalem, Dead Sea Scrolls, temples, etc. 2. Other faiths contradict the bible such as Mormonism, Islam Seventh Day Adventism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. The reason I don't believe even things like Zeus and weird mythological things is because, yes, it goes against what the bible teaches, but what is the things we have evidence for? The bible. Where is that for Zeus and other weird things? Look online and it will show you what I'm talking about.
Alex, thank you for sharing your position. I will leave matters of the heart to you, sir. Do know that I did read what you wrote. And for me there is no evidence for the claims of religion. And there are too many contradictions in the Bible to give it credence for me. But you are at peace and you are happy with your religion -- and that is great for you. I refuse to believe in something with no evidence for it because it makes me feel good. That would be living my life in bad faith. A rationalist does not do that. Take care.
"Faith" is merely a substitute word for "hope", as in "you have hope that something will happen 'after' you die". The thing is- why do you have to 'die' first to know for certain that you are right? Many Christians believe that if one has "doubts" about god, that it's merely someone having a "crisis of the spirit" and not that someone is realizing that maybe, just 'maybe', there isn't anything there to lose faith in. It happened to the Egyptians (Ra). It happened to the Greek (Zeus). It will happen to Christians (Jehovah/Yahweh/Elohim). When man doesn't see and/or hear from the god(s) then they have doubts in them, which then, they either seek an answer from 'another' denomination within Christianity (like a Catholic becoming a Lutheran), or they walk away from religion entirely, as they realize that it is 'all' just made up fairytale stories that shouldn't be taken seriously.
+Spencer West Well you would, if what he said and preached about charity is true, you just wouldn't any doctors lmao. Not to mention witch burnings and a host of other delights ;)
I like how O'Reilly waited for Maher to leave the satellite conversation so that he could have the last word about the whole thing and call Maher a coward without giving Maher a chance to speak back. Classy move.
He never called him a coward, in fact he called him the exact opposite for expressing his opinion. The thing I hate is: When a Christian(and not all of what he is saying is what I believe. But the basic belief is) They call him stupid and should never talk on tv again. Yet when a atheist or anti God person Talks, they are the most logical and sane person ever. I look through these comments to see people saying that "Study's prove atheist are smarter than Christians" and "Smart people believe in atheism and dumb people believe in Christ" and "That's just the way it is" I respect everyone( well except rapist and scumbags, but you get the point) and only a true incompetent ignorant person would try to prove their point by simply stating smart people believe a certain way and all people who think otherwise are stupid.
E-Dawg Danklord Given you name, I can only hope that you are some fat-ass kid trolling people. If you have anything of importance(Or relevance for that matter) I would gladly listen to it. Lay of the sodas bud.
I love how Christopher Hitchens responded to Bill in these kinds of conversations. “Either have me on to tell you my opinion or don’t” or something to that effect
Fran’s antu Djoop is referring to how ironic that Oreilly who is supposed to be a Christian who is to be a morally centered individual would engage in so many acts of sexual misconduct. Now then. What is it your referring to when you lay this claim about him being a fruitcake?
One of these bills said it was ok for a 14 year old to marry an adult who should have lost his job but didn’t. I think you know who I mean even if you don’t know. That’s telling in itself
I love how people believe in the new testament because is the word of god, but don't believe in the old testament because they don't want to. It's also the word of god. That's being hypocritical!
Alex Grachek Hahahahahaha!! You're so funny.. If you want to "interpret the bible figuratively" when the bible says "men shall not lie with men" we should interpret it like "men shouldn't fuck men lying down, but standing" :) Is that the right way to "interpret the bible"?
@@alexbakerloo1979 which god are you referring to? The one who has supposedly revealed himself to muslims? or the one to christians? or any of the hundreds of others?
@@KarltonFranz it is not claimed by Muslims that God revealed himself to them, only to Muhammad (and previous Prophets). I believe in the God of the Bible who uniquely continues to reveal Himself to those who call upon Him from their heart.
@@alexbakerloo1979 There are numerous non-christians who claim to have encountered their god, which holds just as much claim as any christian who says the same (none, because its a personal experience).
I love how o'reilly's defense of the being stoned to death situation was: No it doesn't say the neighbors would kill you it says that God would kill you for working on Sundays! Oh! thank goodness thanks for clearing that up for us bill...
God only gave us Heaven's Rules so that we would live a happier life and not risk punishment, everything He does is through kindness for His most precious creations, us.
As an atheist, I always refrain to talk with believers (to any religions) since I try to follow that virtuous, old saying: "If after 5 minutes you are still talking with an idiot, then the idiots are two"
Most average Christians don't read the Bible, they just listen and follow blindly. Make up a story that isn't in the Bible then tell it to an average Christian and just observe how he'll defend said story.
This interview is pure fucking gold. I laugh every time. It's just such a stark contrast between the two Bills. Maher's cynicism and rationality is complemented nicely by O'Reilly's dimwitted yet confident remarks and clear lack of knowledge of the religion he claims to practice. This was unintendedly an instant classic of cable "news" for the ages.
Yet it's old testament law. We are under a New Covenant. We live by the New testament and learn from the old testament. O'Reilly and Bill Maher should read there Bible.
@@claudianight4254 Which is the wildest shit to me. I thought God never makes mistakes, but apparently the first book he dictated to the prophets was all just drunk violent ramblings and he had to write a new one so people can say "Oh yeah that's the old book, we learn from it but we don't follow it, God said it wasn't his best work."
What are you all talking about, God has the power to destroy and to build, to make life and end it; His Mercy through JesusChrist is what grants us Eternal Life.
Constitutionalist member I like how every comment I've seen you make in this section is calling people idiots without reason, yet it's somehow the non conservatives who try to censor and put down people who disagree with them.
@@bretzajac7986 it's *your not you're they might sound alike but I assure you they're not. I'm pretty sure it's not *your fault that *you're stupid! Take care stoops
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and so on weren't even the authors of the gospels. It's church tradition to call them by these names but the real authors aren't actually known.
O’Reilly: “Don’t call them stupid because they don’t agree with you politically.” But it’s OK for O’Reilly to call people who don’t agree with him politically “pinheads.”
I feel strongly that Bill beat Bill in this debate. Bill’s demeanour was far more comfortable than Bill. At the end of the day, Bill, being the loser would pay the Bill. Bill was once a Crane bird with a huge Bill, now Bill is wearing a suit. He had it billt by a Billder.
Jaska Börner lollolol. no it wasn't god! It was just people that spoke to god! It's incredible how ignorant and childish. And Oreilly has never called people stupid for disagreeing them...
Two people I don’t like, but at least Maher can be funny at times. As far as I know Maher hasn’t been accused of sexual harassment. This is coming from a conservative.
A porn star called him out on his behavior when he was spotted at the Playboy mansion. But of course, he's a liberal so it's consensual. But weren't Weinstein and Lauer liberals? I digress. Point is, anyone is susceptible to sexual temptations.
Mr Curly Kid, let me explain to you how Google search works. You type in a name or an incident and a bunch of articles/reports pop out. The searches include the media outlet it came from. Example, if Trump won the election back in 2016 and you search it in Google, articles from every newspaper/magazine that wrote a story about it will pop out. That means if you search said story about Bill Maher every magazine/website/newspaper that ran that story will show. Clear enough or do I need to elaborate more?
It really shouldn’t be called a “debate” if there are no logical rules to play by. There’s no argument to be made if fantasy and reality aren’t distinguishable.
@@tyman7156 lt does, live slavery, rape, murder, submission, stoning is you work on a Sunday etc, etc. Not to mention the big one, burning you in hell forever just for not liking him, What a big ego he must have.
it's 21 century and humans are still talking about a "god" who magically snapped his fingers and created humans. I mean the fuck people? we have come so far into education and this is still an idea?
Nigga John True, but I find it hard to blame people for believing, after all, religion is a very powerful and convincing scam. Just look how successful it's been up to this day and age. Also, keep in mind that billions have been brainwashed from birth so by the time they reach adulthood, that crap is deeply embedded in their head.
2:50 "Don't call them stupid because they don't agree with you politically." Isn't that exactly what O'Reilly does with his Pinheads and Patriots segment?
By mispresenting it. "You believe this and that and that..." That's always a bad idea. The right way would be to first ask "do you believe X, Y or Z?". Then make the argument based on what the other person believes.
***** I should've said O'Reilly instead of 'he'. As a -recovered- ex-christian, I find it quite odd, how they can just throw away the old testament. I totally understand your interpretation, that I was talking about 'the other Bill' Maher.
***** I don't know why, but I feel like telling my story. I live in a secular scandinavian country. My classmates didn't believe in god, so that separated us. I actually got bullied because I did believe. I also got nightmares and was literally scared when left alone at home, that Jesus had come and I wasn't taken to heaven. I know my parents meant well and they did and still do believe in god. But unfortunately it had negative effects on my life. Most of the teachers didn't believe either, but they knew my parents did. And those who did believe, never mentioned it. So I didn't get any criticism of religion at a young age. I bet it would've been better, if I did. But instead I was bullied. Of course that's not religions fault, but still. So basically my parents thought me this harmful idea, but they didn't know it's not true, or that it's harmful. And those who didn't believe it, bullied me. When I was bullied, I wanted to put the burden of proof on them. I knew they shouldn't bully me. They had no good criticism, which further convinced me that I'm right. They were just kids. Of course they didn't have good reasons. So yeah. It was hard for me to let go. But I knew I never was convinced by good arguments nor evidence. It's like beaten with a belt, until you cry, and then hold in the hugging position, until you stop crying. You find yourself so lost, that it's hard to know what's best for you or what's true. By writing this post, I've realised it's time to stop self-victimization. There's so much psychology behind the belief. And it is indeed hard to question what the loving and caring people teach you. But we made it. It's a lot easier if you've never taught those ideas. Instead of thinkin myself as a victim, maybe I should view myself as hero. _Monty Python - Always Look on the Bright Side of Life_
Luke, Of course, I believe in Christ and mother Mary. If one doesn't have faith, then what does one have? The Pope believes in Mother Mary. Luke, I wish you happiness and blessings from a Catholic, Irish immigrants child in Johnstown, Pa. This country is in such turmoil. I think Donald needs to BLOW UP NORTH KOREA. I speak that as an ex-Naval officer-veteran. Donald, shoot that fat sack off the earth . yeah. Holler. love, maureen. Kim jung hum will blow this earth up if someone does not take the wheel.
Bill Maher is basically saying be successful and don’t be a follower, be a leader. He is getting you to question authority figures because religious people and the masses follow authority figures but they don’t choose to be leaders themselves, they don’t want to be leaders instead they want to give the responsibility to someone else and then blame that person when something goes wrong. People simply don’t think.
+Hooptie Hamburger lol aren't you the same people that claim to be tolerant of all religions? I mean why does it bother you so much that some people believe in a creator? We don't insult mindless people like you who think this is all some accident that happened from a magical ball of energy that science still can't prove how or why it happened and never will be able to answer it, but I get it you need a stool to make yourself feel smarter than others
A common pattern I'm noticing is that whenever an Atheist argues against a Christian or Theist, the Christian/Theist finds away to distract from the actual argument and instead focus on the fact that the Atheist is being "mean" or "ridiculing their faith" or whatever else. Bill Maher can be a jerk, sure. But he's pointing out facts. O'Reilly completely failed at refuting those facts with anything other than, "you're being mean to me!"
You mean the same thing liberals do when I tell them thier is only 2 genders ???? (At least that is a fact. You can't say thier is no god as a fact. Because you just don't know and are betting there is not. )
This is what happens when an immovable object(creationists) meets an indestructible object(rationalists).I agree with Bill Maher in every single way and even am an atheist myself.And I also call creationists stupid,but only in my mind.May be Maher should practice that.You can’t change anybody’s mind.It is like the debate between vegetarians and non-vegetarians.It will go nowhere.
funny when the atheist beg for proof of God and yet when that proof was shown you deny it and still don't believe. ""He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
@@bretzajac7986 where's the proof? Do you have evidence to prove he rose from the dead? And quoting scripture from your fairytale book isn't evidence, so don't waste your time with that.
O'Reilly: "Don't call your neighbor stupid if they don't agree with you politically." O'Reilly literally spent his career calling people pinheads. He can't even keep his beliefs straight.
That Quote at the end that Bill provided is not what Maher was referring to. The actual quote is, Numbers 15:32-36 {King James Version (KJV)} "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." Yet another case of Fox News attempting to obscure facts. The Bible DOES DEFFINETIALLY STATE that someone was killed BY GOD'S DIRECT ORDER for PICKING UP STICKS ON SUNDAY, not O'Reilly's quote which simply states 'they'll surely be put to death.'
Finn Underwood Well it's pretty simple. Don't pick up sticks on Sunday. If he couldn't get with the program, then maybe he deserved to get stoned. Question: Is it ok to get stoned on Sunday? But to be serious (if you could take me seriously after that), the Old Testament was prophecy and picture-in-type of God's plan and will for the world. Just about every "story" and page is filled with deeper meaning prophecy of what God is doing with mankind. Sunday and the Sabbath represents a time when God puts away human/satan rule over this world. Its a time when his kingdom is in effect, and not working on Sunday represents that our will, our wants, our worldly ways will not be happening then. God also commanded that the entire country of Israel rest on the Sabbath year (each 7th year). That means that the entire country was to stop farming and working, and they were to rest for the entire 7th year. They never once obeyed this commandment. As a consequence, and because there evil had reached a certain point, God allowed the Babylonians and Nebuchadnezzar (the king of Babylon) to capture them and take them all into captivity. They were held there 1 year for each year that they disobeyed the Sabbath observation. I think that history does show that this actually happened. I am not a fundamental believing Christian, but there was a time in my life that I was. I think that there is a lot of cool stuff concerning the Bible and prophecy and stuff like this. It's not really good to get one's info from talking heads like these guys because one doesn't really get much out of it except for a few shallow talking points. The bottom line, concerning your post, is that it is true that the bible says that people should be killed for working on Sabbath. A "good" and "true" Christians view of this shouldn't be like Bill O'numb-nutz' is and to ignore it and talk/walk around it. It should be to embrace it for what it is, as bad as it may seem to us on various levels. The Christian's view of it should be that God is dealing with an entire world of man that is lost and doomed and that he has put forth a plan of salvation and redemption for it. He choose a people (the Jews) to work that plan out with. A big part of that plan is to reveal himself and his plan through them and through their laws and religion and religious texts and observations. That includes this prophetic law concerning the Sabbath, when all people not under God's will --- will be lost and killed and wiped out of existence. I'm not saying that one has to like it or believe it; I'm just saying that this is the story and if people should profess to be a part of that story, then they should have intelligent and honest ways to understand and deal with it.
Isaiah And Hailee Cronan Well not really. Jesus was a Jew, preaching to Jews under the Law. If he ever scolded a Pharisee for wanting to punish somebody, it was to show the Pharisee's hypocrisy. He also showed mercy on a prostitute, also to show the Pharisee's hypocrisy and her true repentance compared to their only outward and false righteousness. But Jesus didn't change the Law.
Isaiah And Hailee Cronan Jesus was after Jews under the law and he was there to establish his earthly kingdom. Here is a bible passage" These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.…" So you can see that he wasn't after Gentiles; he was after only Jews. And here is a good article arguing for the New Testament supporting capital punishment www.christianity.com/bible/bible-study-tips/did-jesus-support-capital-punishment-11575216.html My point is that Bill O'dingoling is dumb for avoiding the subject of being stoned to death for working on Sundays and for using the childish excuse that he doesn't follow the Old Testament anymore, he follows Jesus. He doesn't have the biblical knowledge to explain anything in a proper way.
lol How is not believing, "taking a leap?" Believing there's a ghost in the sky playing Sims is the same leap as opposing that ridiculousness? O'Reilly is so smug even when he's so wrong. He's insufferable.
*A ghost in the sky playing Sims* So much wrong and inarticulate in that statement. Nobody got owned. They both were being smug dicks about the whole situation. That quote that Bill Maher brought up about confronting fantasy proves just how ridiculous his train of thought is. Bill O"Reilly was confronting him about mocking people who are Christians and calling them morons, and he responded with that quote and called it fantasy. What his thick skull refuses to understand is that the VAST majority of the world ESPECIALLY in the United States believe God is real. And him equating this belief to nothing but fantasy clearly shows that he is blinded by his hatred of religion.
You are perfectly entitled to believe that, and I respect your right to believe that. All I ask is that those in the Atheist community respect my personal belief's, and I will respect there's. The problem is, atheists generally tend to not respect the beliefs of people of faith.
Bill O’Reilly is far from a compelling expert on Christian apologetics. Maher easily dismantled O’Reilly’s talking points. I wish Maher could debate someone who actually has experience in Christian apologetics.
I don't believe in this crap either. But at the same time I say let someone else believe if they want to. And generally I think orielly is smarter than maher even though he believes in this crap, so there's that. But then again I don't like stevie wonder cuz he references god so many times, so there's that too!
Like who? No Christian apologetic makes any sense. There’s so many Biblical problems in the book that are contradicting, hypocritical, absurd, or atrocious. On top of that they assume their religion is the correct one & all the others are false. They also have no evidence to support their religion being true, it’s blind faith. I could replace all the characters with modern names & they’d still hold up. Nothing would change. Basically they refuse to say we don’t know & instead conclude everything we don’t know yet by saying it has to be their god. What’s so bad about saying I don’t know?
@@glenndewitt4856 Typical religious idiot with his equivocation fallacy, defines faith as he pleases to fit his narrative. Religion is a joke..grow up.
@@tyman7156 if you’re satisfied to take someone else’s word for truth on these questions that’s your business. I don’t mind doing the work to get to the truth, even if it’s exhausting.
