I grew up in New Mexico, hunting rabbits, antelope and deer in Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Chaves counties in the 80s. One Saturday in early November of 86 my little brother and I had driven out on some old forgotten roads/trails in our 1965 Chevy pickup looking for a new Mesa or some arroyos to hunt deer in. It was our practice to leave the 2 wheel drive shorted stepside pickup near the road and head towards whatever interesting landscape feature with only our rifles, sidearms, knife, and a canteen of water on foot to avoid getting the pickup stuck or breaking it. That day I was armed with a .30/30 Marlin 336C lever action rifle and my dad's Ruger Super Blackhawk revolver chambered in .44 magnum, and my little brother would've had similar. We had stopped and scouted out several areas during the day and were about to head back home at about 5pm but decided to check out a small mesa we had been told about that was supposed to be about a 20 minute drive on the bumpy unimproved road we were on. It was supposed to have a lot of mule deer and a couple herds of antelope that frequented the area because of a few naturally occurring watering holes in the arroyos off the side of the mesa, as these watering holes are rarely filled past mid summer any with water in November would definitely attract a lot of wildlife. We parked the pickup about 5:30pm and started walking, and I noticed that the sky was getting cloudy, wind was picking up, and temperatures were dropping, but I didn't say anything, it looked to be a short hike and likely to be the most promising one of the day. We scaled up the south side of the mesa pretty easily and then walked it's edge peering down into the arroyos looking for any signs of animals. About halfway around the mesa we see some doe in an arroyo and head down to check it out. We were then set upon by Apaches... Just kidding. We did however find ourselves in this arroyo when almost like a light switch flipped off and it's pitch dark. With treacherous rock strewn footing on a climb out in the dark up a steep climb or a hike out to the end of the arroyo and then halfway around the mesa in what was now very cold Temps with snow flurries and a wind that we could hear howling past the mesa and over the arroyo. We had walked past the remains of an adobe cabin about 200 yds back and decided that we would hole up in there until morning. Most of the roof was gone but the walls were almost completely intact. We huddled up together in a corner and alternated between shivering and sleeping until dawn. When the sun came out and we could see I decided to look around. There was a table made from rough cut wooden planks that were actually sticking out of the adobe wall along with two planks for seates. On the table someone had carved W.H. Bonney, Spring 1887. Don't know that it was legit or a hoax, but that adobe was old enough, and who would hoax like that and then never tell anyone they had found something? Wish I could remember exactly where it was but all I remember is it was between Ft Sumner and Lincoln.
Goddamnit, I love this channel. That was a fantastic intro, by the way! I don’t know about all of our friends on this channel but it really pulled you in. Keep up the great work Josh! Cheers. 🇨🇦
Another great episode. Myself at the age of Billy the Kid. I was one of those that thought I knew it all. So I would just guess that Billy probably thought he was invincible at that age. But I could be wrong. Really looking forward to the Chief Joseph episode.
Dude that story in the beginning was awesome. "Dont they know who the fuck I am!!!" No lie that gave me goosebumps. You need to finish that story, I don't care that it's not true it was really good.
man that into gave me goosebumps. not Hemingway my ass, your a poet like no other, and got the creativity to pull that story together. and yes i have indeed imagined how awful gettin ambushed by the apache. thats about what i figured it bein like.
Hi Josh..I'm new to your channel and new to the Old West stories. I started with William Antrim/Bonney and found his story is so fascinating and this piece of info is just as much...Did Billy write that note?..did he maybe meet Jessie James in Las Vegas?.(so much mystery)..it is so difficult to know the truth. Im no expert but I did come across a women who has spent the last 20 years on this subject her name is Gale Cooper with a extensive background. Im very certain she would love to see the "scribbled note" and possibly authenticate it . And I must add that your show is very interesting and can't wait to saddle up and ride into other old west heroes on your show...
Came across your podcast for the 1st time a few weeks ago (RU-vid & CastBox), been enjoying the hell out of it since. Thanks for the great work and tireless research. Love the presentation , recommended reading and humor.
Tom Sherman was one of the men with whom Big Nosed Kate Elder was closely associated. He was a gambler and he was involved in at least a couple of shootings. After shooting one man he reportedly said to the crowd "I had better shoot him again, hadn't I boys?", at which point he stepped closer to the man and shot him at point blank range. I would like to know more about Sherman, but I don't have enough time to do anything resembling real research. Might be an interesting guy for you to cover.
Good one 🦫 thanks for the last stand note not heard of it before. Seems unlikely or just another willam Bonney probably 100s each state now. Nice luie wandering man recommendations 👍
In "To Hell on a Fast Horse" by Mark Lee Gardner there is a story said to have been passed on by Mary Chase (the lady who promised Billy's mother to look after him and his brother after she died of TB) that Billy paid her a visit shortly after going on the run for killing Windy Cahill. The story goes that he was showing off a new horse to Mary, who was said to be a good judge of horseflesh and that he acquired the horse after he shot its former owner off of it, an Apache indian. Gardner speculates that this story was (assuming any truth to it at all) a case of Billy making up a better sounding story about how he got this horse than having killed a former soldier and then stealing a gambler's horse to make his getaway.
I love your channel thank you for another great episode. Also I appreciate that you point out that the white men were also attacking the indigenous people. Keep recording!
Yes, he did. I know. I have info on Billy that Historians Refuse to acknowledge: He was Married. I have the Records and photos of locations and people that actually happened. I wish that I could show my entire collection.
Good video but can you recommend some books about this topic or any topic because I would love to explain stuff like you, I read a book then I can barley explain shit, only the basis and not exact dates and stuff. Good job regardless on these podcasts. Edit: A book probably doesn’t have anything to do with forming sentences and explaining things but my point still stands.
On a lot of my episodes I have books to recommend but unfortunately not for this one. If you look at the links in the video description they'll take you to a few articles on the last stand note, though.
@@WildWestExtravaganza Yes I will do and it’s a good thing you’re spending the time to type all of this and making a video so good job because we or I learn from and some book recommendations you have in other videos so interested to see what else you talk about in the future.
Someone is going to explain to me how anyone would mistake that picture for the Kid and his friends. That is clearly not Henry McCarty nor Charlie Bowdre. Those people look nothing like them!
@@WildWestExtravaganza awesome. I love old west stories coming back to life. There is an old man Silva that was related to the Siva gang in Las Vegas NM. He talks about his uncle being a crook and his father or grandfather being out at Pete Maxwell’s place when Garret shot the kid. It’s here on you tube. Interesting man, I would’ve liked to talk to him about his life or his stories from his ancestors.
I don't really think you are too interested in what I might think but I do think you might be interested in getting enough people to start arguing over one point or another. It might actually stir up some interest in what the fuss is all about. Hell it might even lead to some subscribing and even donating to the cause. Shit if you make some kind of supportive comment to indicate you would be on their side they might see to sending you that dollar after all.
I think the Santa Fe ring that's still in operation don't want to admit they got taken for a ride by Garrett and the kid , the truth is crazy funny , they had it coming and still do
Not much opinion on Billy. As for New Mexico, it's usually listed as a high crime/dangerous state. Could It be that the Apache offspring are still wreaking hsvoc...
