Bjergsen or Doublelift: The Goat? | Pros vs Streamers 

omg the Jubilee style video

so well edited, loved the set design, and the participants were great!

I love this! Can we get more of this kind of videos?

Huuge win for team Doublelift. I have to agree. Bjergsen was so dominant when he first came to NA, but it tapered off, even though he continued to be a top 2 Mid. Doublelift just kept growing throughout his career, and he went from being a brainless mechanical God to actually being a smart player who made all his teams better.

Here for Fan Drew! Dude is so freaking funny!

Really shocked to see this kind of content from TL. it was great to watch

Thank you Honda for the new quality content 🙏

Petition to have Impact in this style of video, the guy would be hilarious

That was fun! Well done

I enjoyed this. Good job, TL!

Amazing content. Glad this came on my fyp.

Keep these kind of videos coming!

I love this content! Need more of it!

holy shit this was a great, i hope they do more of this format

Love the idea and always support when orgs do content

Core's English is so good now. Awesome to see considering how long he has been here now

Yoo is that Drew from TGI?

Nice to have some team liquid content once a month

y'all need to keep bringing drew on!

That Fan Drew guy is great! What a cool dude!

Wasn't Palafox pretty good in Flyquest?

I FUCKING LOVE THIS TYPE OF CONTENT! MORE!

Actually good content. Well done.

this was fun

This was actually so well done!

Wish i could've seen a devil's advocate take on imports in LCS. I wanted someone to talk about live LCS chat, I almost feel like I can't watch live LCS because of the negativity in chat, I'd rather watch the VOD. The unfiltered takes in this video is the greatest, not super negative but just honest. Also, the lighting and quality of this video is amazing. Also, also, the members were all great, huge fan.

This was top tier content

ok this is grreattt

Good content. Not even a league player but this was fun and intriguing.

Top 10 content of any org this decade

Ayoo fire content 🔥🔥🔥

"The idea of Brood War as an esport is still relevant even if the game is no longer played..." While not technically wrong, the game's still being played in it's remastered form. The pro tournament, ASL S17(Afreeca TV Starcraft Remastered League Season 17), is currently ongoing.

actual goat content

Even though it’s not depicted in this video, I still think the majority of us viewers of LCS will recognize Bjergsen as the Goat and symbol of NA

golden age of pro league content

THIS IS CONTENT

HIGH QUALITY CONTENT. Color me surprised.

i wish i was able to ask one question bc that would be do u think more players would stick around in league if they iP banned ppl(reason i ask is bc ive been playing since release and im not playing that much anymore bc i finished d4 last season and now this season i have a negative wr bc of trolls and afks on my team for more then 70% of my games and im never getting to play the game anymore bc its over by 5 min) (also really good video)

Core starting off talking about committing to NA talent and giving then time to improve (APA and Yeon ❤)

this is a cool video jubilee style thank you honda

Should’ve invited T1, would’ve created more “discussions“

thank you Honda

Can we get spica on TL now?

i be watching these videos like if i’m being paid for playing the game

12:16 Honestly whether or not league will be relevant in 10 years heavily depends on the success of the riot MMO in my opinion . A revolutionary MMO can have insane competitive potential whether directly in some sort of organized in game fight , or even the competitive social / economical aspect of mmos . In albion online for example some guilds literally control parts of the map , so much so that you'll be killed on sight if you're travelling there alone . Such a setting can for sure overshadow league in my opinion .

finally some good content

If Mayumi and Mayumo in the same video you have my like

This is great content. Thank you Honda *alienware

God this content is magnificent.

Need to get Azzap on one of these, he’s articulate and well informed

You won in our eyes too Mayumo :' )

When the emerald LoL fan is this smartest person in the room...

Is that spica's sister

spica is funny as fuck and has good insight, fantastic guest cast

5x the ads of most channels

“They took our jobs” - South Park

"DONT BE A SHEEP" lmao

Celebrated inter CoreJJ

"Also known as World Champion" - CoreJJ

thank you honda!

pros (+emerald player..?) vs casters

Hot topic, did CoreJJ grief Tyler or nah?

1. I feel they need to bring back the import cap. There's so many instances where super teams are made out of imports and flounder. Imports haven't helped changed or made NA better compared to the other regions. 2. Play games in low elo. Its not positive. On a large scale maybe it is like events and bringing people together for international events but down to the bare bones of just getting on and playing its probably one of the most toxic communities. Especially now with the crap matchmaking riot has putting new players in plat or emerald Elo, and all the bot accounts grinding for iron, it's gotten more toxic. 3. League will still be relevant in 10 years. It has already lasted over a decade which a lot of games can't say they have done. And with all the clones that more so try to copy the league formula compared to Dota or Dota 2, most of those games get really hype then die out after a year or two. 4. Double lift is the GOAT of NA LCS. The man left and came back and was still the best ADC In the league between personality and play he is the best, there were plenty of mid laners that rival Bjerg. Double lift is also a NA native Bjerg was one of the first imports. 5. LEC no. LPL or LCK yes. NA needs to bring back relegations and make league more interesting watch. You have a challenger team league with no way of those teams to get into the LCS anymore. Going back yo relegations of the bottom 3 teams would have to fight for their spot against the top 3 teams of the challenger league. And I agree need more best ofs even a best of 2 would make the LCS more watchable. And make it 10 teams again. 6. They do. That's why new champs are typically banned until either a patch or 2 come out that balance them out and make them more tolerable to play against. Even with reworks or certain updates, my main example is stealth Champs, there really isn't much counter play to them without having 3 pink wards in a lane and even then most can get around them. And really you don't think of Champs as fun against. 7. I agree with Spica

how quickly people forget...the bjerg slander feels so sad ngl

Bro who are this randoms what this could have been such a good video

Every analyst i've seen agrees that, while flawed, LEC format is just so much better than double round robin. But i guess having more fun and competitive format is less important than amount of trophies. Keep LCS in the storage closet because it is where it belongs with mindset like that.

This probably has nothing to do with LoL... BUT this video reminds me of that one time when I watched Shroud (a pro counter-strike player and a PUBG streamer) entered into a PUBG tournament full of PUBG pro players and he got wrecked in that tournament. Pros and streamers are not the same.

CoreJJ is wild we all know the best NA adc is Imaqtpie

Not to be a hater, but it's basically 40 minutes of people agreeing with each other, there were 2 questions that had some sort of debate, but not much.

Bjerg is such a goat its sad his teammates always held him back in the day.

I know I am a little late on this, but DL is also the goat because he lives and breathes for League. How many of the "big name" retired pros are still as obsessed with the game as he is?

i know someone will learking around here 💪👀😈

The new items need to get toned down for sure.

corejj talking about toxic streamers after getting torched by tyler1 😭

I like the dude at 17:00 but hes obviously such an NA fan haha China has like 6 arenas and 17 pro teams in their LPL circuit. Aslong as China has a foot in the race so will the rest of the world. China alone is like 1/7 of the world population. Theyll keep the game alive by force if necessary. League is so big in the East its not even close, its like how NA CS fans think the game is dying but then you look at EU and see how much love there is for the game. An entire continent is behind LoL 2 more if you count Europe and NA, even if you drop Europe and NA. Game still gonna be relevantz

so glad they said no to the LEC format question, their new format has made LEC so much less interesting and everything feels much lower stakes.

Shoutout to Lourlo being the best human being and playing high quality League

Doublelift > Bjerg is so common among people in the scene and high elo players.. yet the common pleb always wants bjerg to be him xD

Spica not being in the league is a sin

The efficiency and skill conversation aside when it comes to imports, I think teams are failing to understand how to build a team brand. People like teams like C9 and TSM because (at least in the past), it's not often that players get swapped. And when it does happen, it's a big deal for the whole fan base. Nowadays, these teams have rotating doors for teams and wonder why no one can get invested in their arbitrary branding. No American viewer cares about some faceless bottom 10 LCK player.

where was this energy when Bjerg was on the "super" team. Core voted bjerg as the goat on that list.. so did Steve.

also talking about "star studed roster": TLH had two world champions on the roster.... 🙂but yeah Bjerg and DL are on the same level, they are the world champions of my heart haha, so the same accomplishements as Core and Pyosik🙂 honestly doesn't matter, both pretty bad 😀

Bjergsen may be the GOAT, but Doublelift is the protagonist

Maybe League may remain relevant in 10 years but the Esports definitely won't. The day Faker retires, LoL Esports will lose it's relevance. Now before someone starts hurling insults or making assumptions. If you saw Caedrel pull up viewership stats on stream, in LCK's top 10 most viewed games from the 1st round robin, the top 9 were T1 games and the 10th was GenG vs DK which have the 2nd and 3rd largest fanbases followed by GenG KT and KT DK where GenG KT slowly had rising viewership because of the upset and KT DK being 2 even teams (with a blunderful macro) and KT has the 4th largest fanbase still. When Faker was injured last year, that viewership plummeted too. Even at worlds, viewership when T1 plays is higher than years when T1 didn't make it and the views on T1 games are highest too Ofcourse this doesn't factor in LPL team games since these are YT and Twitch stats but the game will lose relevance in the west and maybe to some extent in Korea when Faker is gone. Only LPL may remain relevant

Not sure why core is on there! That guy trolls in solo queue 😂

Who hired budget Adam Driver for this episode

I don't like the part where they talk about the league community. They did not mention the in-game toxicity at all, which feels odd to me because you are essentially talking about a video game that people play.

This video would be a lot better if I didn’t get an ad every 2 fucking minutes

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No Worlds Trophy, don’t even try to discuss GOAT status. Until we get our shit together and stop being satisfied with regional wins, we’re nothing.

Need more Spica!

Didn’t Core run it down a few days ago vs Ty1?

It’s like the Jordan vs Lebron Argument. Bjerg peaked higher but Doublelift did it longer. I play both mid and adc and both were my favorite players for a long time but I rank Bjerg higher than Doublelift. Bjerg never really went out and said he’s the best, he just lets his game do the talking. He had an insane arsenal of champions played on stage and played every single one well for the most part. As per Doublelift, he said Bjerg was actually the shot caller of the team when they played together and he was amazed how Bjerg was able to view things in ways he didn’t thought of. And knowing what I know now about how shit of an owner Reginald was for TSM and Bjerg as a teen was able to flourish despite that kind of environment. I also don’t understand why people say Bjerg never had international success, Young Bjerg was playing vs Pawn in the 2014 Worlds Quarterfinals. No disrespect to Doublelift of course as both are qualified and worthy to be called the GOAT of LCS.

Corejj should stop running it down T1s game.

Tan 9 man sleep

I love the video style. But. Sneaky is the G.O.A.T. of the LCS, show me an average sneaky game actually 12/13 games look good, not ok, good. Look at an average Dlift game and it's much less consistent.

Corejj still has a strong accent for someone whose been in NA for years now.

Brother i watched CoreJJ sprint it the fk down on T1

the NA import topic is simple. LCS scene is terrible, the growth is limited, and there is less money in the LCS than it has ever been. Most teams resort to imports because it is easier to get great talent out the door rather than invest in a player and hope they grow to that level in a few years. And lets be real most NA players goes into the pro scene to gain a reputation then becomes a streamer full-time. the relevance topic, LoL won't die. Many say it will die but the audience is growing. People who say LoL is dying are the DOTA players that thinks DOTA is the best MOBA. I have a LoL hater friend that stands on dota being the better LoL, but yet he only plays LoL. He also even keeps up with the meta and patch notes, but not for dota. They hate LoL, but they love the game.

So fan Drew is emerald in this interview, and Gold in your newest video… hmmm…. (Also ain’t no way they discredit Bjerg absolutely smashing the league since day 1 of him being in LCS until he left. Doublelift was not that good the first 2 years he competed, took him a while to start winning and to even start dominating.)