This team is rising to popularity, and I wanted to do a step by step visual guide on the fundamentals on it, with runes, and explanations. Credit to Hydrocarbonate and しょーとくGAMES. / bj5_balegyr_janssen_r5... / @shotoku777
I'm so surprised this hasn't been patched out yet. I'm sure they're just waiting to find a way to patch this out of Baly without affecting other kinds of play.
In the slides you made, loren did not have will runes. She was oblivioned. Therefore she cannot apply defense break. I dunno if you noticed but people need to know that loren has to have will runes
I'm not sure what you mean. At 14:00 the slide I made shows loren should be double fight will, and at 14:20 the rune example from the japanese player shows double fight will. I think maybe you mean 17:30. That was a screenshot from Hydrocarbonate runs, but she should be on will runes to prevent oblivion. That's not my loren, that's just screencaps I took from his runs.
Lots or imprecisions and errors here ... 1 - BJR more reliable than BSR .... NO ! Both are 100% ... BJR is timer optimized and harder to rune, BSR (last ace's version with leads) is optimized for minimal rune requirements at the cost of 10 secs for the runs ... and is MUCH more accessible. In both case, fails only happen when all 3 loren fail def break which is a probability of 0.005960 % ! 2 - DONT USE VIDURR !!! USE DAGORA !!! Turns out Vidurr has a weird bug with his HP values which can make fran derp ! 3 - Not mentionned but Baleygr needs 30-32k on last hit as a damage reference 4 - Fran better than colleen ? NO ! They are exactly equivalent in this team, immune is useless. Both don't derp. Syncing between teams is better if all 3 players run the same. Actually, Colleen is slightly better since she has a shorter animation time on s3. 5 - The max speed of 191 for the fastest monster is AFTER tower buff and everything, the max speed on monster stats is +74, assuming maxed speed tower. 6 - You don't emphasize enough ... Max DPS towers (fire, ATT, CDMG) is REQUIRED, and actually so does HP and DEF towers in principle ! Shihwa is REQUIRED too, that 40% is key ! 7 - Leader to be sacrified must be on triple fight, no will on it ! Last point - YOU DO NOT NEED WILL ON FRAN AND JANSSEN ! You can play them on triple fight and have a grand total of 13 fight sets to ease rune requirements ! The speed tuning just needs to take into account when they get slow debuff ! That's it !!
i think your extra explanation is appreciated, but your msg doesnt needa sound so condescending to the vid. bagels just tryna help and introduce it to the community. you might be right, but still gotta be nice to others~
what stats would you need without a maxed fire tower and just atk and crit dmg? i'm aware it's hyper useful. but couldn't you offset it by additional atk% somewhere? just higher requirements.
I don't get to use it that much, I work a lot on re-recording videos and prepping stuff for new videos. I'm up until sunrise quite a lot, especially when com2us releases new patches at 4am or other things.
I use this team but its gunna get nerfed. You need literally 1 6* 😂 to do end game content. Ok you need really good runes on bale but still a cheese comp
the difficulty arises with needing maxed towers. which takes awhile to accomplish. and the baylegar stats are pretty high. . . . at least the fight sets can be suboptimal. i have a 2nd loren being built just for this to keep my main one fast and very tanky.
@@crkTyphoon they changed whole dynamics because only op players could do speedruns. Now the entire community can do speedruns. Somethings gonna change.
just gotta say, i appreciate your hustling on making these videos. I love your content, even though I almost never play any more cause i'm tired of the lack of game improvements, your videos still make me smile.
Thanks azerawth, I feel you though on leaving the game for lack of content, and improvements, I agree. They eventually do things, but it's almost always too little too late, consistently.
@@SchizophrenicGamer I just find it frustrating seeing all the big content creators, like yourself, and a majority of the community asking for change, and c2u being so blatantly ignorant to some minor changes that would great improve the quality of the game without hurting their wallets... I guess for me, after playing for 5+ years, no LD nat 5, and unable to keep up in any PVP content because I'm not a whale, is frustrating lol. Anyways, I'll hop off my soapbox Xd keep being awesome. Love your stuff. Also, merch?
the - is to extend the sound, so just makes it pronounced differently, much like Loren has it in her name as without it it wouldnt sound like the English name Loren
@@a_c35 Yes, that's what ー do. But is kinda strange to use it in hiragana instead of the character "う" (or "あ"/"え"/"い" if there is no closed vowel before). That's why I say "I don't know why she/he use the dash". She/he may mean: "Shootoku" or "Sho toku"/"Sho-toku"/"Shotoku".
you need one that self revives there and if that unit doesnt have will he may get oblivion and not revive. The other unit however doesnt need will. And lets be honest, those white will runes you can farm in 1 second in scenario
22:05 No Bagel, you should be promoting this team for all players to use while it lasts... and STORING the grinds for when they actually have good runes to put them on... and if they waste them then oh well.
The Japanese that you are giving the credit for this team is "Shotoku GAMES", but it's not him who created this BJR5 team but this Japanese とらあちゃんねる "Toraa Channel"
- critical rate and + critical damage because leader team (khali 23, hwa 19% and chiwa 40%) = safe damage 32k +. chiwa (not spd), jassen (31 spd) not have will < is better 3 figth .................order fran (buff), loren (def break), baleygr (damage) - after the fall chiwa, dagora and fran die because jassen rises 30% by death, so he would attack Loren (def break) first and last baleygr
As someone who doesn‘t have the runes that are worth grinding i can assure you there is no way people who don‘t farm runes can build a good enough baley
Trust me it doesn't matter whether they "can". They'll still try and make dozens of people fail with it. I've seen people with Teshar Reps like 1500 Atk, 130 Spd, 35% CR, 55% CD be like "yo look at my rep, so gud, daz how 2 rune him" and I'm sitting there with my 2800 Atk, 200 Spd, 99%CR 232%CD Teshar and be like "ye if only I could achieve that...". It's not about whether people can, it's about whether people care. And 90% of people that will build this, won't care enough, they will rush it, they will fail it and they will cause hundreds of others to fail it too because of that.
For a beginner your best bet is to farm up good 6* runes and not worry about grinds yet. You can go into R4 a bit as you gear up this team, but unless something drastic happens in the next 6 months you should plan to build and bling out a baleygr, he'll be used for sure.
The bale dose not need skill ups if ur runes are good enough. Just try with friends and if he dose 30k on the last hit (without brand!!) he’s good enough. But u do need a bit hp so he survives the jump etc
30k is for BS but for BJ you need 32k+ and reaching 32k+ without skill up and tankyness? OMG the runes quality needed. So for BS you can spare devilmon but for BJ nonsense not to skill up him
Mmmmm... I don't even do raids... And while I may have what I need to make this work... I'm afraid of building a gimmicky team that may get hit by Come2us just because it ruins their meta... So I don't know :/
What two-team speed runs have people done? I farm R5 fairly reliably with 2-3min runs with two accounts. Kind of curious if I could do a speed team without having to bring in a 3rd account.
All these comps focus on Bale so much that Com2us will more than likely nerf him. One of the things they specifically mentioned when they nerfed R5 was that they did that to open up the opportunity to have more speed comps out there. Com2us wants more depth in players monster box. I mean, they didn't build 1000 unique monsters for nothing.
Jewbagel do you suggest if we don't have max towers neither max s3 Baleygr can we do this team for r4? I have the runes but not those things I think I'll be lacking damage in the end but I do have the 6* legend rage and will runes for Baleygr
Everyone saying early gamer can do late content now. Have you checked bal requirement? No way an early gamer can get those stats. Even mid gamer will have a hard time getting those stats unless your a visa man. And in case you havent noticed all damage is on bal, 9 of 10 eggs is on his basket.
The problem is when all these people with crappy runes/monsters doing this in R5 and it gets nerfed, will stubbornly take their regular crappy runed monsters into R5.
*Shyo-to-ku gaming* (idk what the third character means as my kanji is weak. any one that's better versed in Japanese, feel free to help me credit them with a reply)
Seanb is saying to NOT use fire giant warrior, because something about his animations de synchs the team. Just a heads up. Any other leader listed here is fine.
Vampire Lord can be used for booth skill lider and atk buff in this composition (witch would work well with Baley, specially if other buffs are present ) ?
watch them get crushed by cum2us upcoming balance patch 😂😂 'oh you having fun i see, nerf them nerf them all' 🤣🤣 i'll wait after the balance patch happens
Should i keep a duped Rica? I got one for toah, lots of acc and despair runes. I feel like her skill dmg % isn't really high, only her third Skill could be Fine.
for bjr5 your bale need to do 31k+ on last hit, your bale need +10k hp and +400 defence (85k ehp) to never die so ya that bale is not good enough yet i mean is tbh the endgame team those stats are hard to get, also jessen can be on 3ple fight he just need to be +28 speed to don't get cut
can loren deff break while oblivion? because based on your presentation, I heard that you said she will deff break after the dragon put oblivion on her? 18:56
Every participatn needs a Loren to ensure atleast one of them is going to land their Def Break (literally says reasons of failure is all 3 Lorens not landing Def Break).
You don't need to 6-star them, the fran I'm going to use for this is only going to be 4-starred. the Japanese player was using a 3-star colleen. She doesn't need to be fully built.
