"Black Armory was NOT as good as you remember" (Aztecross Reacts) | Destiny 2 

People remember it as good because it had things bungie rarely done before at that time, like the box, it was a community effort to solve it

Let me fix it: "Black Armory was ABSOLUTELY as good as you remember", there he goes ...

As someone with the blacksmith title, can I just say Forges and their gameplay loop was atrocious. You had to do 2-3 forges, farm random enemies, and visit Ada like 4-6 times just for one gun. That isn’t an exaggeration, going for the ship made me despise forges so much.

Idk if it was just 14 year old me, but I don't recall Destiny 1's launch issues or content droughts. I had PLENTY of free time playing it and don't recall any times where I didn't feel like playing. Exotics were my chase, and they were respectfully rare and kept me chasing. PvP metas were great with everything being busted for the new genre. I mainly played PVP

My biggest gripe for Black Armory was as I started during that time, it was absolutely inaccessible for players that didn't play for quite a long time already. It's power level was above dreaming city and only getting to that was very time consuming during that time.

To the person that said corridors wasn't worth the juice... you literally find your own grave. Youre looking at your casket, idk how that wasn't worth it imo

Much love to that guy and Aztecross. Aesthetic is almost everything. If it wasn't huge, destiny would have a smaller pool of shaders, sparrows, ghost models, transmat effect, Zero Eververse Shop. Black armory looked beautiful. Which made me grind the forge. So I could have a sexy weapon with sexy perks. Blast furnace, ringing nail, Izangi's burden. Izangi's Burden has a literal sword on the side of it. Le monarque was good and got better. And people still use both that and Jotun in crucible to this days 6 years ago. Every season has downsides, but good golly miss molly, that was a beautiful season

The thing about black armory - we were coming off a horrible content draught and had very recently been given random rolls back. And those rolls were really good. You have to look at it in the context of its time. We now have so much and power creep has gotten so bad, that nothing feels special anymore. We were motivated to grind those weapons because every roll was new. It was like a new game back then. Now, a new set of weapons comes out, and I generally don't have much reason to grind any of them because I already have something as good or better, till they release some power crept shit like immortal with the same gun model as a gun I already have but some busted ass perk like target lock. Sunsetting was supposed to fix this but of course it was one of the most hated systems ever. How do you fix a looter shooter when the players already have all the loot? I think cosmetics is the way. We will still grind our asses off for the skimmer or for an emblem or for a shader or effect. but it wont fuck the balance of the game completely. IMO bungie should put most of its resources towards cosmetics, not guns.

the "puzzles" that he brings up is how raids and endgame content should be in my opinion. more focus on hard puzzles while being able to shred through enemies rather than basically no puzzle and enemies shred you and are lowkey tanky. idk if im in the minority but interesting to see what other think also it really is insane to think about the amount of content we got during that time. like seriously crazy

Whenever I play a mode with light level turned off I pop on Kindled Orchid with an Aachen, and have more fun with it than I do any other time. For the weapons Black Armory absolutely still hangs, and KO still out competes a lot of other 140s to this day. Even rolls other than Kill Clip + Rampage it just feels great to use Kindled Orchid

Some people need their opinions stripped away. This guy is one of them

Blacksmith here- over 500 looted Forge completions. Forges were fun the season was great- weapons were awesome raid was cool this guy is just wrong- Only thing upsetting is they gave away shaders that took forever to get unlocked- to everyone. Some of those Black Armory things never even dropped for me and I spent a ton of time in forges- Jotun, HammerHead, Lemonarque , the list goes on- Anarchy- sheesh this guy is hot-take engagement farming clown. Whatever- We want KO back because it could 2 tap Yellow bars in strikes- and guardians in crucible w KC/Rampage- it shredded enemies like no other- its not just nostalgia- Sure we have had a lot of power creep since then but that does not invalidate how bad ass those weapons were- Even the f*kkin bow could 1-shot when you got Rampage going- this guy can pound sand he is talking out his ass! Happy Gaming!

I think I remember at the time the community wanted a horde style game mode and this is what they gave us. Not supposed to be some heavy mechanic mode. Just a horde mode with good loot

I'm with you on all points in this one Aztecross. Friends and I were actually excited when we first realized the forges weren't going to be cake walks. Then they got nerfed. Black Armory is hands down my favorite and it has nothing to do with the activity. The weapons, the armor, the lore etc. were just fantastic. The only season I think, and this is my opinion, that came close to me for enjoyment was Season of the Seraph. And again not cause of the activity, but the story, the weapons, the exotic quest was solid, etc.

Completing a forge day one before the difficulty was lowered is one of my fondest destiny memories

We need another, a black armory v2 that could be added in the final shape! Think of it, they could use it as bending the powers of the previous forges and combining them with the darkness classes(even the 3rd one if we get it) and it can be like an open experimental season of insane and deadly perks

I still have all my black armory god rolls. I know they’re useless now but even without the usability anymore they still look so damn sexy I can’t bring myself to delete the best versions of those guns

The grind was hell but the weapons were so worth it. I miss my Blast Furnace and Hammerhead 😢

I'm gonna keep it a buck, brother doesn't know dick about the weapons. To this day very few MGs have come close to touching how insanely JUICED Hammerhead was, and for good reason. Both Ringing Nail and Galliard were and still are very, very good feeling and looking ARs. Orchid suffers from the handcannon changes, but it still feels amazing. Blast Furnace is ultimately not amazing as 4-round pulses go, but you cannot beat the look.

I like that he said “so many other seasons had a great aesthetic” then proceeded to not name one

15:53 You call it Season of The Drifter, I call it Joker's Wild. We're not the same.

Theres a reason I got into D2. It was Rasputin and the Black Armory. I kept all my BA guns.

I dont actually think forge was boring. I was never bored, clearing out a very steady ammount of adds. Throwing orbs. Killing a boss. Anticipating the rewards

I fully disagree with everyone complaining. “I did not like doing that activity.” *does it anyway*

I think the big Takeaway for pointing out that black armory wasn’t as good as our memory serves us is that the quest for nostalgia often is the loudest voice of reason the fanbase uses to justify yelling at developers to change a game. The biggest example of this was the change from halo four to Halo five awful that was.

I wasn't able to enjoy Forges completely since I started playing post Season of the Forge. Spending more than 5 mins in orbit looking for people to match then only to fly in solo and fail broke me especially since I was trying to do the quests for Izanagi and Le Monarque.

Bro we were so powerful when the forges launched. I would put on rally barricade and thunder lord and I DIDNT HAVE TO RELOAD

black armory had me so salty i didnt come back until season of arrivals. The launch was a slap in the face lol

I think the Deep Stone Crypt weapons are the sexiest weapons Bungies released but BA is probably my second or third favorite :)

I'd still be using my Hammerhead. Would be the only reason I take off my Enhanced Eager Edge + Enhanced Vorpal The Other Half.

When i play 1600-1700 stuff i still use my guns . They were fine. Same with the recluse. 💕

I liked the forges, hated the grind to unlock them & loved the weapons & armour. It was no way perfect but, those weapons & the exotics were top tier 👍🏽

Things improving over time and looking at the past through rosy glasses is not a hot take. The whole argument is Black Armory was NOT as good as you remember, because I was bored, weapons kept improving, and some stuff were bad. -_- I'm not going to reminisce about 3 months ago as opposed to ... like 70 months ago.

Counter hot take. While the mechanics were simple. The forge kept the ads coming for once we didn’t have to starve each other of kills. Then to activate the secret of each forge you had to haul ass and kill the small hidden drones, then with the bosses (while they were noting new) we had the perfect bosses. Melee cabal for the caves. Hydra and its harpies flying around the floating cliffs, and a spider tank that could flush us out of our long ranged safe space. The guns as well, yea we have guns that can compare now how many are craft able? How excited when you saw a gold boarder weapon drop of kindled. Or getting the perfect roll of blast furnace? Or farming and getting the perfect prototype silenced SMG. It made you earn each one and the feeling was amazing when you got what you wanted

I still have that Kindled Orchid. What I miss are the Saint 14 weapons (Steelfeather Repeater, etc)

Not a day goes by that I don't miss black armory. I loved the forges how it was a short and sweet activity, the weapons were beautiful, sounded beautiful, and their rolls were superb. The raid will hands down be my favorite raid along with it's armor will always be my favorite. I truly hope black armory content will return.

The difficultly/light level wasn’t the reason why it got nerfed cross. Back then the required light to get into the activity was around the Forsaken light cap, which was 100 light above the soft cap. And the base light was not increased like it is for yearly content. People paid for Black Armory only to not be eligible to play the activity without grinding for a couple weeks first. Problematic as hell from a marketing standpoint.

The secret mission during the black armory was amazing. Going to the secret room, using different weapons to shoot symbols, getting the shell and emblem for completing. Awesome. But the forges were only really lame because you had to travel to them.

Black Armory's Galliard-42 was and still is a top-tier favorite for me. It would make so much sense to bring back all the Armory weapons and make them craftable... I never got the god-roll, but maybe there's still hope to make one

The only thing I remember about the forges was running around with Riskrunner. Basically unkillable on the two fallen forges 😂😂😂

This guy genuinely said nothing this whole time

It wasn’t just that kindled orchid had crazy unique rolls at the time… it’s that literally every weapon just felt absolutely amazing to use. Even the world drop exclusives like the baligant and swift ride unique items were just so solid and enjoyable.

New random patrol bosses that drop unique weapons, using your different forge weapons to shoot and dicifer secret symbols, and of course the new loot with never before seen perk roll combinations on different archetypes. What kept me going during the dry times was, if bungie could come up with so many good changes in just 1 season, I can't wait to see what they'll come up with in the next season.

My hand's up, I loved the forges. They were an arena mode that felt like Smash TV combined with basketball or something. Once you really learned the spawns and angles they had a great flow to them. I had over 500 forge clears by the end.

I remember the Forge as a difficulty spike we hadn't really had in D2 before then, especially the first day BEFORE they nerfed the difficulty, and Hammerhead was one of the best machune guns to this day. Edit: I got Anarchy to drop first run too.

In d1, that feeling when an actual exotic engram flys out of an open world boss and you see it drop on the ground 😢🎉that was pure dopamine.

I had some fun with the Black Armory, but I did get bored with it to. Some of the guns were good. It was worth it for the exotic Toaster. One of the best exotics. It sucks that the Legendary guns got sunsetted like the Mountain Top, Recluse, and a bunch more. Sunsetting them guns was a bunch of BS.

It was NOT that bad honestly. You’re all blowing it out of proportion. If you didn’t like the grind then Destiny obviously isn’t for you.

In ten minutes of video this guy was able to repeat the same single point thinking that his personal preference is the absolute truth 😅

I liked forges and even sundial because it was like a more rewarding public event. I agree with you on the forges though it was grindy as hell to unlock them and them reducing the difficulty is probly why everything we have now scales. This is coming from someone who has over a 1000 clears of terminal overload the appeal to me is testing out new fun builds in a somewhat challenging activity with others. Its not the most high level gameplay but it gives you a chance to practice things without the added pressure of needing to perform in a strike or raid, more of a chill thing like fishing. Escalation Protocol was my absolute favourite of these kind of wave based repetitive activities because you got a ramp up in difficulty and a true feeling of the impending doom of failure. It felt like a race. Having them instanced is better for the servers and the players but I think they only struck a balance now with Rivens Lair and the Coil because it gives players the choice between quick one and done or extended but more difficult and rewarding. They can be daunting for new players to complete like how they nerfed forges and how sundial was rarely ever completed without a certain level of players but when you help out new lights and people trying to grind an event it feels good because you have gotten your loot as well as helped others to get theirs. Just completely random people off the street. Sometimes you want to brain off and just slay out so these activities are some of my favourite it has just taken them a few attempts to strike a balance. Compare Prison of Elders to Coil and there is no comparison.

List of expansions and what they are really worth imo (with hindsight): Curse of Osiris and Warmind = Free lol MSRP =$35 and $20 Forsaken = $30 MSRP =$40 Shadow Keep = $10 (basically a seasonal quest with a raid) MSRP =$35 Beyond Light = $20 MSRP =$40 Witch Queen = $40 MSRP =$40 Light Fall =$25-30 MSRP $40 Lessons learned? Don't ever pre-order or buy the deluxe + additions of the game. Also Bungie has a pricing problem with their product. We as a community need to start comparing Destiny's expansions to other content at the same price point (im looking at you helldivers 2). Seasonal content is well priced at $10 but everything else is out of whack.

My Blast Furnace, my Kindled Orchid, my Hammerhead, and my BB No Feelings still remain in my vault. I don't have too many sunset weapons left - but the ones I have are irreplaceable. My Go Figure will also never leave my vault. Bungie really just needs to hit us with a refresh for the Black Armory, Sundial, and even the Tangled Shore weapons. But unlike the reprised Reckoning weapons (which I still don't understand)...make them craftable. Let those seasonal weapons live on forever. Current seasonal weapons are craftable, so it only makes sense.

I can't take him seriously for 2 main reasons. 1. He thinks Opulence came out after Black Armory, totally disregarding Joker's Wild. If he doesn't remember the timeline, or didn't do that much research into that era of the game, then his opinion isn't well substantiated. 2. He back-pedals so hard. The video is titled "Black Armory was NOT as good as you remember" meaning that your memory (and subsequently, your opinion) of that season is wrong, and not objectively true to the facts. But then 15 minutes in, he says "If you think [Black Armory] was the best season ever, then that's your opinion. Like I'm not sitting here trying to say you can't feel that way." It's like he is afraid of the backlash he'll get for giving his take on it, and so he retracts everything.

ADA, offered us the opportunity to forge weapons from the Golden age, and those weapons were amazing, sexy, all totally different and there was something very special about ADAs area

He keeps saying "everyone" and using hyperbolic language. He's flat out wrong. Destiny 2 vanilla lost MILLIONS of players within WEEKS. And with every lackluster season, expansion, or activity they regained, then re-lost huge numbers of players. Several seasons around the time of "Season of the Forge" was when random roles started to be re-introduced into the game and I started hearing about craftible weapons. The seasons surrounding Black Armory was the first time I ever even HEARD about that possibility, and I had NO IDEA what it meant. It's easy to look back and shit on Bungie for many of those seasons, but Bungie wasn't in control of the game back then either, so ai hope you at least take THAT into account. My problem with Destiny 2 is that, despite the almost overwhelming amount of content, it still feels like I'm always doing the same activities, and THAT shouldn't be the case. Destiny 2 took away twice as many destinations as they gave us back. Destinations I loved playing. Many of my favorite missions are gone from the game, replaced by uninspired destinations I don't have any attachment to, and don't have much to do with the storyline. I'm not a gamer. I play Destiny. I've played Destiny from the start. Now I find myself playing the Destiny 1 more and more. If Bungie brought back all of the sunset kissions, like the Black Forge activities, I would play Destiny 2 again.

Little bro brought up Chattering Bone 😭😭😭 Oversoul Edict clears...I don’t believe this guy is even real. Sure the activities were boring, because they were simple. Simple = easy to farm. If it was ball busting like 2 hours per clear, no one would do it regardless of the loot. In Borderlands when you farmed Hellfire, did you wish the Ants had raid boss health? Hell no, you'd one shot them with your rocket, see if the legendary dropped and load back in. Maybe he's in the side of "I enjoy harder content with good rewards" over "easier content with good rewards" I mean if you want a challenge Dark Souls is right there for you, but people honestly liked BA for the weapons. It's with any game, the gear you get. The activity can be hit or miss, because at the end of the day you're gonna farm if you didn't get the roll you wanted 🙃 Nezarac's raid was easy and people didn't for the side arm and auto. Or maybe he's not a hand cannon fan who knows

As much as Forge was repetative it was innovation for Bungie. 4 arenas were distinct and required cooperation for a group of randoms and bosses sometimes were hard to kill. And for the rewards - all of the weapons and armor had new models, no reskins, all of the exotics were just amazing and held out for much longer than most of the newer ones. Players won't like doing forges as they were, but the very core of abilities, nevermind their powers, changed. Then, after Forsaken ended it just rolled downhill. Bungie adopted "just enough to not lose too much of angry players" approach. I vividly remember doing season of the splicer event and thinking it was just forges again, but with champions, way easier and way worse. Judging forges by the standard of "how it would play after all of the updates" is a bit disenginious.

PvP during season of the forge was a lot fo fun. Had real reasons to grind. Not Forgotten Recluse Mountain Top Emblems Ornaments Supers and heavy was still a plague. They are still today though so.

Guys Valut of Glass was never good…Fatebringer never brought me the fate… 😞 At this point just play a different game, people will like their guns, I don’t agree with any of what he’s saying

It sounds like he is trying to say that we are wrong and/or stupid if we liked Black Armory. The entire time this guy is talking, he sounds like a person who doesn't like a certain food and is trying to make you feel bad about liking that food. If he didn't like Black Armory, it's okay. A lot of us liked Black Armory. In the end, I get his stance, but they way he delivers it, it is like he is trying to crush your dreams about Black Armory. Don't crush the dreams dude.

“Red Death was never good”, ok this guy was playing Destiny 7 or something wtf 🤣🤣🤣 It’s natural to play a game for a very very long time and eventually blindly hate stuff about it

heres the issue this guy is failing to see. yes, i DID ENJOY playing forge, even if it was just waves of enemies and throwing the ball into the middle, the fun came from build crafting and having a big dome of enemies to farm those builds in, the forge provided cool spaces that destiny didnt have, the only small arena style game modes the game had was crucible, and if you didnt like crucible, then tough shit. you may argue that a strike is an arena of sorts, it is not, you have parts of strikes where you gotta hold out an area for a while, thats the closest you get to, but the player spaces the game provided in the forges themselves were fun, the fact that you could just access them from patrolling was also cool as fuck. i liked the armour, the story, the new tower location, the new characters, the new environments, the puzzle race, the interaction of weapons and environment that destiny has NEVER HAD BEFORE until that point (using certain scopes to read the wall symbols), finding loot crates and armoury drops. finding the forge locations that were previously hidden. he is ignoring the fact that all the content was absorbed in different ways, and is undermining how much content was actually in the game. he is ignoring the fact that we then had a dungeon that had armour sets and weapons that matched the colours and look of scourge of the past gear he is ignoring that for once we had a public space event that enabled a mix up or change from the regular old boring public events he is ignoring the crucible changes, and how that season changed what weapons people played to fit the meta he is ignoring the fact that there was a huge public puzzle that pulled content creators together. cross himself made tonnes of armoury content he is blindsiding the fact that all of this is just 1 season, and that there is new content every season that most of the community soaked up like a dry sponge in a swimming pool he is ignoring the fact that some people didnt get to play it, especially new lights, im a vet and i didnt get to play much high level armoury stuff because noone would play with me, xbox didnt have a good LFG. *TL,DR: he is applying the logic of "i didnt enjoy the content, so noone else did either", which is a really bad mentality to have.*

The loot was much better for the forge and how you got some of the loot was unique. Using your scopes to see the glyphs. Unique and innovative.

Nah don’t agree, the Forges kept me playing Destiny back then, the weapons were good and it was still challenging even after they toned it down. Also you could farm specific weapons as well. Give me back the forges and forge weapons crafting as a seasonal activity that’ll get me back to playing this game. That season was the best!

Bungie never stopped giving us difficult puzzles, they're just not as memorable like the quest for wicked implement

With all due respect, I stopped watching when he compared kindled orchid to a raid weapon...😂 he immediately lost me. We got like 6+ exotics and a new raid in one season. We haven't seen anything like that since opulence.

The black armoury had an awful gameplay loop buy id take it over the past 2 years of destiny content tbh. Devs cared so much more back then abt the quality of the game

yet another no-name nobody who is trying to pass off his opinion as some kind of objective all encompassing truth, it's pathetic clickbait and is just a waste of bandwidth.

Wasnt sundial six man? I recall doing that activity in a chill manner and always completing on time

Black Armory was good "Period". I still use season of the forge weapons till this day in crucible.

Season of the forge the black army was best season because of you got good weapon loot from it and most of all. You can got 3 exotic from the. Forge. That could drop at the end of forge people farm until they got all most all them myself i go all exotic bow, sniper, and Fusion rifle that people all over destiny2 still use to this day and other. Weapon that are still great for pve use but this is full it the coil is jo A joke compared to what the forges were The forges were funner than coil and the sundial both were low Low quality tear stuff the only thing good thing that came out of coil was the Is craftable other weapons, the coil it a joke it's too easy to do it time after time ones get all of crafted weapons and exotic bow and it's 4 catalyst it uses are use up most people stop playing the coil because of the gm master nightfall is funnier than the coil, bungie could have done better if didn't have all the layouts this season is joke other than lore i like the season forge better then these last 22 season were Filler seasons, other than season five was fun because of season of the forge the other season were only Adjective based on making money on this game season of forge was free to most people that got First 3 extensions before they were volted by bungie for more. Filler season

I don't know if it was because i was still relatively new to D2 at the time, but grinding and finally getting a decent Galliard 42-XN7568 filled me with so much pride and joy

Black armory was so good they had to sunset the weapon wtf is he talking about😂😂😂😂

I quit because of Black Armory being so boring. Didn't come back until friends dragged me back for Lightfall. Game is so much more fun now than it used to be. I do kinda miss the raid lair and the new raids they did back then, but gameplay wise now is so much better.

Every exotic I have that has a Black Armory themed ormament, has it permanently glued to that ornament slot.

Imagine Black Armory Weapons merged with SIVA

id rather play black armory destiny 2 over this current sad state of a game

I always wanted weapon transmog specifically because I preferred form over function for my weapons in D2. the BA weapons were almost permanently on my character, and a huge part of the reason I quit the game after they got sunset.

I got the curated Kindled Orchid. That gun and a 4/5 God roll Blast Furnace were my fav guns from Black Armory. Shit was fun back then.

Don't forget, no ammo sword strats I miss those days

i would never trust a man that uses lorenz to clear trash mobs that guy rly smoked to much

No I did enjoy all of the content, even though its nostalgia, it was good.

Im reacting reacting a reacting pf somebody react that reacting video ah love the video

Season of the forge set a standard. Yes it had it's issues. But the reason why it was so good is the standard it set.

The weapons and armour was nice - but the season itself was hot garbage

Hammerhead is my favorite looking weapon for sure

I have 1822 forges completed. Try me.

The reason people loved D1 was because gaming wasn't main stream so they made games for the gamers.

The coil is actually super shit for matching

Season Of the Forge had the BATTLE suit design. My Warlock finally got rid of torn and burn robes it was a BATTLE MAGE. I think this guys reasons for it being NOT as good, its just repetitive.

Sad to see some people give this guy hate over his opinion

Sundial was my favorite activity and I miss it

Some of the black armory weapons are still being used. The hammerhead is still being used in PvP and in Gambit (if you care about gambit). And No feelings is still a great scout in PVP.

"At the time" is the big phrase for anything Forsaken. The changes made to the game saved it. The improvements we've had since then have just been building on Forsaken but its always "back in Forsaken"

I WANT MY BLAST FURNACE BACK! That pulse was special

I never did get that crazy cool ship. I grinded and grinded to get to 50 weapons completed and couldn't achieve it. It was hard to play; players would leave the activity. And Destiny 2 clans have favorites. I did manage to get the great weapons but did not get the seal or that cool ship. It wasn't a great experience.

Honestly too many weopons in this game look like ass. All the investigation craftable ones are horrible the season of the plunder ones... all shit. Most of the dreaming city no wait all of the dreaming city weapons. One wonders If any of the people responsible ever handled a real weapon. let alone understand what weapon design is all about. it's rather telling that the 19th century inspired old west guns and the Heckler & Koch rip offs are the best feeling and looking ones.

I aint even gotta watch the video to know that this take is HOT AF... Imma edit it after I finish the video EDIT: AINT NO WAY THIS MFER TRIED TO COMPARE 6 YEAR OLD WEAPON ROLLS TO WEAPON ROLLS OF THE NOW.... 🤨 The weapons were goated and PvP was also fun back then to bring those guns in to... the Forge activity was repetitive but at the same time... there was so much shit to do back then that it didnt really matter... 5 raids at the time and all of them came out within a year and 3 months 2 of them having random rolls... and Shattered Throne was still on a 3 week rotation.... PvP was still fresh cuz of Special comin back and still waiting for some exotics to drop... Gambit was still in its honey moon phase too... the Era that is Forsaken just had alot of shit to do and that's why seasons that didnt look much by themselves still hold something dear in all our hearts... it's also why I enjoyed Shadowkeep(the year) more than Beyond Light(the sunsetting)

"This is my hot take," his take is stale. He's either playing devil's advocate for clickbait, or he just has bad taste. I literally don't know a SINGLE person who ever defended the forge activity, so he doesn't get to pretend like we're all out here with nostalgia glasses for it. It was awful. But Black Armory had AMAZING lore, it had UNFORGETTABLE guns, what are still some of the BEST shaders in the game, and it's aesthetics were TOP. That's what people praise. Also, I don't know why he's ragging on Destiny 1 content either, because yes, that also was objectively better than a lot of more recent content. Maybe he's so busying being a contrarian that he's forgotten Bungie's "we deliberately avoided overdelivering" admission? Even BUNGIE admits the older content is better, they OUTRIGHT SAID THAT. They admitted in plain English that they did not try nearly as hard with the newer DLCs and seasons. They have been actively attempting to lower expectations as part of their meta-strategy as a developer, to get people to accept cheaper and lower-quality content. So no, he's actually OBJECTIVELY wrong. This isn't even an opinion. Bungie has admitted that the glory days were better, and I imagine the player count data would back that up if we bothered to check it. Ice cold takes. Stale and boring. Edgy for the sake of being edgy.

We actually got pvp maps back then