You know what really scares me? With Crow going into the pale heart first, it's ENTIRELY possible crow will meet cayde and have that long awaited interaction off screen
I don't think we will see crow to begin with, I think he has turned into the light that is now inside of cayde that is price to pay for it being a wish with a ahamkara.
I stopped caring about the "lore" when the cut scenes became lazier and my actions are railroaded no matter what we do. Crow? He was a character concept for the original draft of Destiny before its overhaul. They were looking for a quick fix to their story and added this character to extend their money grab.
remember waaaay back on the warminds being retconned? That began the trickling of me beginning to not care about the lore which was a huge reason for me caring about the game in general.
@@noobpaints6114 Straight facts. When D1 was here, (and when I was a kid) I felt that the things I did made a difference. And each time we got the new DLC the game took a good turn in the story especially when we met Eris Morn. Also, we've been fighting literally the EXACT same enemy model for 10 years, lol Bungie couldn't add new Archetypes of enemies this entire time?
What tf are you talking about? How did the cutscenes become lazier when the length and quality and quantity has gone up, and crow is used as a cash grab how? And how was he used to fixed a story?
@@Blue-qt8ms You ought to watch the video reviewing the Entire history of Destiny. You'll learn how Crow *was* a concept that got scrapped but reused later. Crow isn't new, he was originally was to be in Destiny 1 in Caydes position but, we see how that went. And yes, it's lazier. The cutscenes have no drive like how they did, they drag on and give little to no good narrative, story telling is more than just saying what's going on.
This whole year all I've wanted to tell Bungie's narrative team is that just mentioning that the veil exists isn't enough to explain what it is or why it was so pivotal
One thing I loved in Season of the Lost + Seraph (Aka the other previous seasons before a major expansion) was the sense of unity and coming together of numerous factions of allies to deal with the present or upcoming threat. We all knew the outcome because of the DLC that would come after but the preparation the characters underwent to prepare was super intriguing. Not to mention the threats present in these seasons were also very interesting also (Eramis and her conflicted alliance with the Witness and XIvu immediately comes to mind). Season of the Wish did not have this in my opinion, and its a real shame given that the next expansion's stakes trump these other seasons. I think the solution through the 15th Wish was a cool idea sure, but the urgency was nonexistent because both the threat present felt very weak (IE a crippled Xivu who may or may not be controlling the taken, and the Sol Divisive whom have no real villian we can point at) and the objective seemed very shallow compared to other seasons. Exorcising Savathuns worm or Arming Rasputin for a potential invasion by Xivu felt far more engaging than collecting an egg each week. I mean sure the Ahamkara are cool and Im happy we may have more stories tied to them in the future, but the height of the stakes for the next DLC make this story feel very shallow. Once the last wish was revealed to be the key we all knew that was going to be the solution (Which is fine because we knew Savathun was going to escape/return when Lost was going to end), but how that story was dealt with in-between was imperative. I personally did not second guess if the last wish was going to work, maybe thats just me, but I feel like that doubt and mystery of what could happen between the start and end of a season was solely missed in this final season before the end of this saga. TL;DR : The stakes and main objective in the plot, characters reactions and involvement, and the villain's presence in Season of the Wish felt pretty shallow when the situation has never been more dire, which is why I felt quite whelmed by the story that was told this season and going into Final Shape.
I see what Bungie was trying to do with this "experiment" of theirs because I distinctly remember back before Beyond Light came out feeling incredibly underwhelmed, not because I thought the expansion was necessarily bad, but because prior to it was nothing but this massive buildup of "The Darkness is coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's almost here. It's here guys! Holy shit, it's here!" and so logically you'd expect the big expansion that comes with that moment to be about the Darkness' arrival...but it really wasn't. It was tangentially, at least with regards to us getting Stasis, but for the most part it had nothing to do with the Darkness itself. It was narratively underwhelming. The problem is that their experiment failed. I mean hell, even going into Lightfall, prior to us knowing it was going to suck, it was still a really weird pivot for the story because unless you REALLY kept up with the lore, Neomuna comes almost out of nowhere so you're left wondering: "Wait, why are we here again? Why is the Witness here? Why didn't we discover this ages ago?" Overall, it was just a huge failure in storytelling. And of course the cynic in me wonders if this even was an "experiment", or if that was actually just Bungie's way of trying to save face with what was an obvious filler expansion. Just toss out the idea that it was an intentional experiment, they totally tried their best and weren't just trying to scam us/tie us over for a 1+ year.
Their experiment with the story unfolding after the dlc would be a good idea, if the plot points weren’t locked behind $10-$13 paywalls. It was a super bad idea at that point because now we’re just left the effects of questioning how much we missed and what happened, this is mostly in regard to players who just buy the dlc and ignore the season pass and story.
I’ve been saying this about the seasonal story for years, it’s what made me quit Destiny and after TFS I’m done and want nothing to do with another Bungie product. The disrespect I’ve felt as a consumer and player has been unreal.
Worst part for me is I should have seen Lightfall being filler content coming. Because I remember back when Beyond Light was announced, they said next would be Witch Queen, then Lightfall would be the end. The beginning cutscene and final cutscene of Lightfall was originally one cutscene and Bungie cannot convince me otherwise. Lightfall should've been the finale, and might've been the longest campaign Destiny's ever had. But that would be an appropriate ending. I get the plan was for this to be a 10 year journey. But Destiny 1 was originally slated for a 2013 release, but got delayed. If it hadn't, we would've been on schedule. And for all the context that fans and Bungie themselves will tell me it wouldn't have worked; can you look me in the eye and tell me any other options including mine would've had a worse result than this?
Bungie talk up very cerebral game concepts but the last season was just a large fetch quest. Amanda died for literally no reason. Set expectations for the final shape being a very cerebral yet confused, vague and ultimately vacuous release. Its like the team trying to build the game, just love it to death, but those making decisions keep switching lanes, leading to just a confused rambling outcome. I'm convinced at this point critical parts of the narrative for the final shape will be delivered as audio via the seasons magic box of knowledge delivery (comms) when it finally launches.
At least Amanda's death was on screen lol 19:19 what? Should she be like "😄 I lost all and everything 😄"? ...it's a diary ._. I'm not defendig how bungie gave us the lore don't get me wrong but a diary is something sentimental and I think if you see over months that ure losing everything and you can't do something about it you'll be depressed too. I don't say "here is lore go hear and like it" but this type of style was something different... Something different what Bioshock 1 - 3 already had in form of audio logs... What Bungie could have done would be visual time travels where we see what's happened in the past there instead of implementing audio logs but at the same time it would be oppressive too
Can we all talk about how they expect 100$ for us even tho they give us recycled content.. dungeons not coming up with DLC is criminal honestly. There’s no reason for this company to be asking for this much look at fortnite dude they are RICH off COSMETICS 😂 Games that expect checks off DLCS aren’t winning and I understand the industry money is different but dude ya make so much money.. just to give us ANOTHER CABAL RAID like WTF 😂 vow was witch queen and had no light bearers.. Spire had a literal garden boss RECYCLED CONTENT. Warlords ruin final boss Is a RECYCLED GAMBIT BOSS…. HOW. I’m honestly on the brink of not playing no more they seriously can’t deliver anything right this game is all lore.. nezarec god of pain was a tormentor with a dad bod…. Like bro we dump so much money into this game just for them to drop nothing but mechanics Let’s talk about how the smg from ghost of the deep is worse than gambits and it’s a recycled model too 😂 30$dungeon for recycled content bro.. Destiny could be so much more man 🤦🏽♂️ So much talent WASTED The witness doesn’t even look menacing.. just another stand still boss with a witch model that we’re gonna div with a linear..
First off, Cross, DEFINITELY don't apologize for talking. That's what REACTING is! The worst "react" content is when people just play a vid and just sit there and go "hmm...yeah...hm...interesting." That's not a reaction, that's just grunting. We want to know what YOU think. That's the point. 😊
6:40 Imagine if they marketed Lightfall as such. If Joe came out, "Hey guys, we need more time to deliver the penultimate Final Shape experience, so we need to push it back. HOWEVER, we aren't leaving you hanging and we will be inserting a DLC expansion with a new subclass to hold you over!"
its a really big problem that the story is fragmented so much. All the seasons are gone when the final shape arrives. if you only play the big expansions you never get a full story and can't understand what is going on in the game.
I'm not sure if it is gone come to talk about... But as byf said, when final shape is published, all of the seasonal story and lore ind information will be gone! There is nor possibility for new players to get these connections between LF and fs because the story is missing... It goes to the dcv..
I think the storytelling was absolutely amazing I can't believe that people don't understand what's going on you just have to pay attention Bungie lays it out for you. Because Bungie is the greatest video game company ever made and the fact that you people are doubting Bungie when they have proven time and time again they are the best is hurtful and shameful but just going to knock final shape out the park just like they not like fall out the park and just like they always do white night right here
I was in the mood of playing some Destiny 2, bought the wich queen and lightfall xpacs, and season of the wish, im bored in less than a month, and there are many months ahead before the next xpac.
If Bungie wants to tell their story in a seasonal format then they need to stop selling DLC's and just add one extra season and charge the what $10 per season that it is for the pass. Then they can even impress big corporate boss with look how many season pass purchasers we have!
Might take on defiance when the shadow lesion was putting people on the Pyramid ships. There was probably preventing the traveler of making new guardians that's my theory
Ive wanted to day one the final raid for so long but now ive lost all motivation or want to try it. It feels like the game is over at this point. I want so badly to want to do it... But i cant bring myself to launch the game, i just feel so bad looking at it.
The thing is -and i know this is an asshole thing to say- Bungie's current narrative team just kinda sucks. All the soul and talent that brought us TTK, Forsaken (and even WQ, eventhough I think its far too over hyped) just doesn't seem to be there anymore
Lightfall, seasons and Final shape tried to be a avengers like story and it fell flat so far. You go into Infinity war and not watch Endgame its a disjointed mess that has some cool moments.
Season of the Seraph FELT like the season before the end of the light and dark saga. Lightfall and it's seasons COMPLETELY diluted the impact and phenomenal setup / stakes of that season.
Seraphs story was good. The end of the season was so deeply undercut knowing we had a whole extra year between this massive event that just happened and TFS… Lightfall should have never existed
Rasputin has been such a wasted character and opportunity for years and this expansion just made his sacrifice feel so useless and cheap. I cannot forgive them for doing that to him.
In order to accurately judge Bungie's story by their own standards, you have to release bits and pieces of the review in a seasonal format. Bonus points for omitting the important details behind a paywall.
the filler expansion should have gotten way more heat. Literally paid filler with trash content. Like lol bungie playerbase has been so abused its stockholme syndrome.
Sadly Gaul even just being a cabal was able to kill more guardians and was an endgame thanos level threat in comparison to the witness who just fucked off into the traveler after being foreshadowed to bring forth the next collapse
@@shadyzekrom3463The concept of the Witness being so utterly uncaring of interference is cool when we can actually see that impact in gameplay, but all we got were 3 (three) guardian ships that It swiped it's hand at and cut them to pieces in a cutscene. If Bungie could have actually leaned more into truly showing the impact the Witness had as what is essentially the mastermind of all the events since D1Y1 in Lightfall's campaign, or even the Year of Lightfall, that'd make the stakes feel much much higher and keep people (me, at least) invested
@@MagatsuDiarahan yeah but that would require Bungi to actually get off their asses to do real work, and bungi can't even code their way out of a wet paper bag let alone make a half decent story
Lmao A space turtle was a bigger threat than the witness A space turtle stole the light Also I find it absolutely HILARIOUS how the traveler just destroyed ghaul yet didn’t do shit when the witness showed up but shoot a flower beam And it’s also funny how when the traveler exploded when ghaul showed up those flowers didn’t exist So what gives Also why do a whole separate move instead of exploding again This games story is so ass Ghaul was a bigger threat than oryx like how tf
Arrivals, as a season, felt more apocalyptic than Lightfall did as a complete expansion. The music changing on the planets, the quests to prep everyone for either evac or final holdouts, the pyramid ships appearing over destinations back when what we knew about them was still extremely limited, everything felt genuinely oppressive and grim.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 The sight of the mothership Pyramid on Io lingers in my mind to this day. It was the last season where my clan and I were genuinely interested in and involved with the story.
@@TFconfusedand therein lies the truth. Two posts, two different viewpoints so why the fuck does kangaroo face seem to think his opinion is worth more than some tramp on the street? Why should I or anyone else give a single fuck what anyone else thinks of a game?
I would argue that the predictability of the story is only half down the the live service model. The other half is Bungie's steadfast refusal to do anything even a little interesting with it. Nimbus should have been the one to sacrifice himself in lightfall. It would have added weight to both his characterization, as well as give the narrative team something important to play with. Now Rohan has to find a new apprentice to train before his body finally gives out. This would allow us to help and dive in headfirst into the lore and world building. Eris should have remained Hive at the end of season of the witch. It woulf have given her a far more interesting character arc, as well as cause players to ask questions around her reliability and the "morality" of the hive. But Bungie stubbornly clings to a sitcom model where each week, bo matter what happens, nothing actually changes. And because of that, most of their work feels incredibly dull and repetitive.
We spent an entire season feeding weeds to a magic space whale who expositioned the Witness backstory/motivations that we didn't need because it was a giant pile of nothing while retconning that guardians can't be Taken.
Season of the deep and the revelation about the witness should have absolutely been in the core lightfall experience. Deep should have instead tied into Witch, given Ahsa played a part in Eris' plans that season. Man lightfall sucked, I wish i never played that
Season Of The Deep & Witch should have been for something better like: "Season Of The Veil" -uncover the depths of the shared mind within the veil & its secrets heavily tied to The Witness & its goal for finalty.
@brmawe That's too generous. Call it "Season of Results" where you pick up puzzle pieces for 3 months that drop from fighting the Taken, and when you put them together they show a Cabal symbol (that's the enemy faction of the upcoming season!)
TBH I felt that the Veil containment lore was more like an "Oh shit, we didn't talk about what the Veil is... Let's quickly cobble something together just to satisfy the crowd and run with the narrative that it's intentionally divided up to be 'interconnected'". It felt like the adding of the voicelines and the logs were a "record this week, and play it 2 weeks later" kind of situation.
Except that's not how voice recording works. You cannot just call a VA to record lines on a whim. There's a reason Voice Lines are one of the first things to get done in development, and that is because VA have busy schedules, and you have to plan and record in advance in order for them to be available. This is doubly so with Destiny, as it has a ton of A list VAs who juggle with many projects at the same time. To give you an example, the day before Lance Reddick passed away (may he rest in peace), he had already finished recording all his lines for the entirety of the Lightfall year, and that happened at the very beggining of the expansion.
@@voltus20you act like it's impossible when all people have to do is throw money around and that VA will be in the recording booth like a hooker in your bed
There are some projects which are written by someone with a story to tell. There are other projects which are written by an executive saying "That sounds fine".
The whole changing the approach thing was a steaming pile of horseshit. They didn't at all, they just didn't want to come out and admit they'd fucked up big time. Everything after the initial launch of lightfall is just them scrambling with shit content to try and back up their own lie.
Not only was it incredibly disappointing the pyramid ships were empty...neomuna an entirely new planet had TWO people on it and everyone else was inside the planets servers that was just lazy AF imo
There is only like 8 missions left in The Final Shape. Not enough time to properly resolve so much stuff they have set up the last 10 years. So much wasted time in Lightfall.
For real. At this point in the story 8 missions is not enough to do any substantial story telling. If lightfall had 10? 12 missions? We would actually get to bond with Rohan and have his death mean something or do some explanation and setup on the veil. If Final Shape only has 8 missions I will be shocked if it’s satisfying
Biggest thing I can't believe is that, if I were a new player joining Destiny a week into the Final Shape, I could not access the Witness' backstory from Season of the Deep. It would be sunset, and all the other ways that Bungie puts context into the game are shoved so far into corners that it's difficult to find them and experience them easily. Another thing about the "Narrative Experiment" of making an expansion that serves as a starting ground for the year of seasonal storytelling to come, that kind of falls flat when that very story is going to go away in 12-16 months after it comes out. It only harms the expansion itself, in my opinion, because now it can't be a standalone story, but the other parts that support and expand it are gone by design.
Bungie already said multiple times that both the Witness' cutscene and all the missions and lore related to the lightfall story year will remain post end of the year.
It's simple. Season of the Seraph was the epic story leading into Lightfall, or at least the Lightfall that was revealed to us in the Beyond Light showcase. Somewhere along the line, fall when they originally said they could, and I think this is what led us to getting the light fall we got. The lightfold we got was filler. People were even pointing out how the first and last cut scenes of light fall take place almost back to back. With all the rumors around strands being delayed and not coming with the witch queen, and the cutscene evidence from the lightfall we got, I think it's clear that this whole year of Destiny 2 was an experiment to bridge the gap. If instead you consider as leading up to the final shape, I think there we see a lot greater quality of story than what we're getting now
Because she never survived long enough to reach the point where we even know of the Witness. Everything always went to shit in other timelines by the time guardians get darkness powers. She herself says this, and is mentioned in several lore pieces.
@@voltus20The real reason is that the witness didn't exist until the witch queen and that the writers were making shit up as they went along. Retcons retcons retcons
@@FrostyAkuma0oh my sweet summer child. I don't blame anyone for not playing vanilla D2, but the story was okay. Except Hawthorne, who was insufferable. But gameplay was terrible. You didn't miss anything on the gameplay side.
I won't lie I completely memory holed Defiance. When Myelin brought up the fact they never explained why the hell the shadow cabal were kidnapping groups of like 5 people at a time I was a little dumbfounded.
11:50 Imagine if in the final shape's raid we somehow separate the Witness back into it's civilization using the creative powers of the traveler, and that's how we get the next race "The Remains". Imagine that 'leaked' idea of a 12-player mission after the raid involves us having to fend off The Remains after defeating the Witness to stop them from inacting the Final Shape one last time. To me that concept would be soo damn sick, but that is but an idea on how to fix the "The Witness is the culmination of a civilization" error made this year, and I doubt Bungie is capable even with the extra time.
@@chillhour6155 😂 for real imagine that being reality and ngl I was really hoping that brother Vance would be the witness from another timeline taken over by his other self or just a evil version of him.
Same, mostly cause it was the stupidest thing to see the sisters ""heal"" EVERY.SINGLE.WEEK from their trauma and Clovis speaking some truth, but no, we make our own path or some bs, delete his conscious.
I ask people this all the time...tell me the story of "Destiny 2" JUST in terms of the free intro content, and expansions...and tell me that feels like a genuinely compelling beginning, middle and end narrative. Bungie wants people to follow their "chain link" from expansion to season to season to season to season to expansion, etc., but the problem is...THEY REMOVE SEASONAL CONTENT. They sell the season pass with story stuff, they remove that content (or chuck it in the Timeline), and the expansions, without those crucial "chain links," make ZERO sense on their own! Newer players, hearing how great Destiny is, are trying out Destiny and feeling NOTHING for the characters or circumstances. The only people "feeling" anything are veteran players, and they, too, aren't happy with how this has all transpired, leading to the "10 year climax" sold to us 10 years ago because Destiny 1's story shat the bed so hard at BUNGIE'S discretion. They needed to do it like Warframe does...take a bit longer to release MASSIVE expansions to move the story significantly...smaller updates between to keep players busy or engaged, but all in all...let players decide when they want to come back, via more permanent content. The seasonal Destiny content doesn't let players make that choice, because it needs to be played in one year, then the seasons are gone.
@@chillhour6155 Yup. I remember when Destiny 2 went "totally" free to play, or mostly I guess you could say. Forsaken and Shadowkeep were the only paid expansions at the time. Everything else before that became free, you just had to grind out XP for the planets. Basically around the time of the Activision Bungie split. I remember thinking, I could be mad at this, but I wasn't. More accessibility, more people coming in to play...none of that bad. Once the Beyond Light showcase hit and they announced the DCV, it was all over for me. And the Destiny community rolled over and took it. Defended it. Regurgitated all of Bungie's excuses. Completely ridiculous.
It's locked behind a seasonal cutscene the most important story beat of lightfall is in a seasonal cutscene at the end of a quest line 😂🤦♂️ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z0CKckjryVI.htmlsi=XxUEXfXrfYSWR8-4
I haven't played Destiny 2 for a while now. But there is a saying. Something like "If you have to point out that you are the boss, you are not a good boss." I am not english speaking from the start, so it may go differently. But the core is the same. If you have to tell someone to like your work, you haven't done it well.
to think that there was urgency in fighting the witness, is stupid because he has been inside the traveler for about a year now. all sense of urgency has been lost.
Lol jumping into destiny at lightfall was hilariously confusing. Figured its alright i can just go back and figure it all out playing older expansions. Lol boy was i wrong
Even when you understand the lore...the base conflict in the story is MID at best. They lean so heavily on what happened during or before the golden age, but never show any cool shit. The closest we ever got to that was the black and white ai looking art which was basically a slide show in power point. WE WANT THE COOL SHIT IN THE STORY WHILE WERE PLAYING STORY HELLLLOOOOO???
I wonder if Bungie even considered that, once the seasons are gone after Final Shape releases, we're literally going to be completely missing the middle of the "book"? Expansions won't be sunset, seasonal content will. So even if they did manage to pull off the "interconnected seasons", new players would never know what happened in the middle of the story. Lightfall introduces all the storylines unresolved, Final Shape finishes it, but new players have no idea what happened in between.
'do you ever think a villain is more interesting when you don't know anything about them, but then you learn and it goes down hill?' Yes, Kylo Wren in Star Wars 7,8 and 9.
I feel like if Bungie just never deleted seasonal content, never removed the Red War, things like that. . . Then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Because they’re both MMOs, I’ll draw a comparison to FF14. While yes, they do build up the next expansion in the post expansion patches, they never delete the old content (except if it’s not integral to the Main Story and entirely optional like Diadem which failed horribly.) which means that new players are very much able to get the full picture. While I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with leaving some things unanswered and coming back to it later, if said lore will essentially be wiped away AND is needed for the full picture then that’s not really acceptable.
Agree. Probably no new player will approach destiny for the lore at this time, because he would have to find infos on the internet, and still don't understanding a lot of things. For me, the thing that bungie have to do is try to bring back in the game all the players that stopped playing destiny, not trying to recruit new players that will get bored after 2 weeks. I think about this after the quote of helldivers that cross have read a few videos ago: "a game for everyone is a game for no one". And goddamn, the main problem for destiny is actually this. Trying to be a game for everyone.
Bungie having to go a season without writing something complex and interesting off as being paracausal (they literally can’t go 15 minutes without mentioning the word for something we don’t understand)
It would be awesome if Into The Light gave us the return of Wrath Of The Machine.... This would be absolutely amazing people would be so ecstatic, This would probably keep people engaged with destiny until closer to the final shapes release. P.S. Another good idea for Into The Light would be for bungie to make every Raid and Dungeon farmable every week from the beginning of Into The Light until the release of the final shape.
Bungie just saying "let's start experimenting" on the fuckin penultimate campaign for the saga they've been building for a decade, is truly astounding.
Destiny's narrative has always been bad, they aren't going to fix/save it with Final Shape. D1 you had to get 90% of the "story" from the grimoire or outside of the game. D2 has been better with lore tabs and lore books, but still none of the good stuff is ever explained or shown on screen or in game. Half the stuff you read in the lore books would make better expansion content than what we've had. They just really screwed it up with Lightfall as well, trying to cash in on some cyberpunk 80s craze/theme that absolutely no one was asking for and doesn't fit in the D2 universe at all.
Here’s what was going on in Defiance: The bad guys were abducting people and planning on melting them down to form a human based pyramid ship…. Or I may be getting that mixed up with a different sci-fi game…
I'm gonna say it, I hate the Witness. I hate that Bungie essentially retconned so much mystery and dark lore since D1. There's no reason for the Dark Fleet either. The Witness should have a proper army, we shouldve seen their back story in full CGI not an inkblot cinematic, and the Veiled Woman Statue should still be the main big bad of the Darkness. I hate that they try implying the Witness gave Oryx the ability to Take, when Oryx made an Ogre that was used like a Walkie Talkee in the Deep to talk to the Darkness. Retconning all this cool ass, mysterious lore surrounding the Darkness was all tainted,underminded, and ruined by shoe-horning the Witness into ALL OF IT. Imagine if in Mass Effect 3 if the Reapers were just 1 person and the ships were completely empty? Imagine if there were no Orc or anything in LOTR but it was just Sauron? Imagine Star Wars if it was just Darth Vader, no empire, no Storm Troopers? It's so damn underwhelming that I have to try not to think about it because it makes me apathetic af to Destiny. Always been a lore guy, over 7k hours in D2 on steam alone, been playing since the closed D1 beta, and I just don't care anymore. That's not good. I hope Final Shape brings my love back, but those hopes aren't very high.
All this criticism about the "fragmented" story telling being spread over mutliple season and expansions, yet we are completely overlooking an arguably even worse aspect of this type of story telling. If you were to hop on the game right now after not playing for the last year, you would be able to play every single season story and expansion story line all at the same time. Imagine getting into the game as a new player, you watch Amanda die while playing one mission, then the next mission you see on your "to-do" list takes you 6 months back in story time and you see Amanda just talking to you normally. Bungie's way of onboarding new players is to give someone every single MCU movie, then told to watch it in chronological order with near zero context of where to start.
If veil containment is "experimental", then I'm very concerned with what Bungie considers "risky". Experimental in my mind is along the lines of "oooh this is a bit crazy, not sure if you guys will like it, but we went crazy and wanna see how you think" This was literally just talking to a computer and listening to story. Where's the experimentation? I thought it was a panic story injection to try and appease the audience and answer some shit, but pump it out fast. The story in veil containment was good, but it may as well have been a lore book. Also as much as I like the Witness's origin story cutscene and how well that's done, making his main minions the scorn is so fucking lazy and very very barely holds together. The best we've got as to why the witness has a bunch of scorn, afaik, is literally "Idk man, pretty weird though, huh". We've had a few voice lines that seem to lead to "just because lol, go kill some of them" Lastly that outro song is a TUUUNEEE. I finally found it, Ben Elson - Harmonies.
This comment became an essay, just skip it. The problem with Bungie's storytelling in Destiny is that, despite their insistence that it's "intentional" that the vague narrative threads that are left vague and underdeveloped on purpose, they feel unintentionally vague. They don't seem to know any principles of storytelling. As an English teacher who has read thousands of essays and who teaches logic, writing, and plotting, the series feels like it has no consistent creative direction and the assurances that it's "intentional" are just cover. (video 20:30 mark says it better, the writing feels like trying to meet word count) One specific problem: Focusing on Lightfall and the post-Lightfall seasons, we have a story expansion that is permanently in the game that had almost zero story, while the seasons (which disappear at some point) tell a lot of story without making explicit connections back to the expansion. It all feels random. The writers are terrible at dealing with time progression (a philosophical problem in an MMO, where the world needs consistency while the quests need progression). Not to mention the complaint from the video that we never get a satisfactory reason for the Shadow Legion to be abducting rando humans to begin with (no, we should have been dealing with Shadow Legion collaborators sabotaging the Farm or something like that) And look, yes we all (probably) agree that Lightfall was filler. BUT, Lightfall wasn't sold as filler, it was sold as a full expansion. If it was key to the story the marketing should have reflected this better. Okay, fine, things played out the way that they did. But look at how small of a span Lightfall really is. The whole game takes place between those two interconnected cut scenes of the Tower Guardians looking out the window at the Traveller and Witness. It doesn't make sense for the guardian to take a Neomuna vacation to learn a new Darkness subclass during an invasion of the Traveller. The sense of time doesn't work. The priorities don't work. This is a core problem, expansion storytelling is lazy and vague to drive customer/players to the seasons, but as a player it feels defeating to buy seasons that will disappear along with the majority of the game's actual story. Witch Queen is a statistical outlier. It's bad storytelling because it's lazy storytelling. Like Neomuna, it's all flash with no substance. And I find this frustrating because the universe is ripe with lore and we could have smaller, more intimate stories about life on Earth. I mean, we're a zombie super-soldier who is an enforcer for a military government with zero oversight who kills aliens on-sight. We're space fascists from a dying civilization and nobody in the game really questions that (except sometimes Drifter and Savathun, but they do this uncritically and are both surprisingly supportive).
The Thanos Comparison to The Witness is perfect. Both have similar motives, are the main bad for a story that's been going on for around 10 years, they have both taken a back seat throughout the years not being front and center etc... but only one is an actually good character that is legit threatening. The way the Witness should have been handled is similar to how Thanos was in the MCU. Instead, we only learned his name recently and before then I'm pretty sure he didn't even exist in the writer's room. We hardly know anything about him or his motives, and what we do know is vague, not relatable, or just boring. "Oh, he/they want the Final shape because the traveler never spoke to them, and it is chaos" bla bla bla. How are we supposed to relate to that concept? Living in a literal Utopia for centuries, but they complain about chaos? WHAT? VS Thanos whose backstory is a very real topic of overpopulation taken to the max leading to a solution that (though extreme) has logic to it. 100% they introduced the Witness late in the story for who knows why (no new race, to have an actual entity as the final boss instead of an enigmatic concept like the darkness etc...) and that has done a lot of damage.
Destiny started falling apart when monetization was prioritized above the story and gameplay. As for Crow, it has always seemed hypocritical to me that so many characters seemed so quick to jump on the “Crow and Uldren are two different people so he can’t be blamed for anything” bandwagon, since that is not the case for any other person who has been chosen as a guardian. Elsie Bray openly calls Ana her sister and Clovis refers to her as his granddaughter. Shinobu kept the same identity when she became a guardian. Savathun kept the same identity when she became a guardian and if that’s only because her memories were restored, Savathun also restored Crow’s memories of being Uldren. Therefore, Crow is Uldren. However, that doesn’t mean he’s unredeemable. If they actually had an ark in which the characters come to forgive Uldren for what he did, that would be actual redemption for the character.
Says more about them than you, There's a reason clans are dying left and right, mine only has 2-3 people playing at most through this entire last season or 2, I'm not getting the next expansion/seasons either.
Your react content is unrelenting and taking away views and discussions from the original content creator. There's a lot of great comments here discussing the content of the video and the lore but they aren't being shared and discussed on the original video because why re-watch and re-comment on the original when you've already seen it in full from your reaction video. It's the fact that Mylien has 17K on this video, and you get 70K. Especially when he's made content in the past talking about how hard it is being a RU-vidr and that he isn't even breaking even on videos. I saw a different destiny RU-vidr say along the lines of this yesterday in their video, 'if you're a big destiny content creator, bigger than me, please for the love of god at least let this video get 100K before you react because it tanks my video and it just drops off and dies. Because your content is being pushed not the orignal'. Who do you think they are talking about cross???? Just some food for thought.
