NYU Florence Black Italians: A History That Still Needs to be Written - Mauro Valeri Mauro Valeri, Department of Equal Opportunity, Italy’s Council of Ministers (in Italian with English translation)
People need truth.. Sicilians that came over to America were considered "too black" to have access to the same freedoms of the colonials.. Idk why yall choose to prop up hate instead of just dealing with reality and uncovering truth together. We all bleed the same. Period.
Sicilians were considered not White Anglo Saxon Protestants with Polish and Irish, who are among the whitest people on earth. The myth of black descent of Sicilians is a fanciful belief with no scientific evidence. Classifying people from their skin tone seems to be the American national obsession.
@@matteodariofimiani35 We Americans are generally out of touch with reality and we are completely brainwashed in regards to race. We tend to force our concept of race on other nations.
I'm Eritrean (E. Africa) and the Italian invaded Eritrea from 1882-1941. And many Italian men married Eritrean women and still today lots of Italian men love Eritrean women and go back to marry. But, according to most Eritreans, they Italians were not violent people nor mafias like you see in the movies, but the men were very romantic, passion of cooking, likes to vacation, very stylish (fashion) & enjoy life. Today, Eritrea is considered by most western countries Little Rome or Little Italy, still has many Italian influence such as the food & Architect and Italian is still spoken by the older generation. Btw, we Eritreans don't like to be colonized by anyone but we still speak positively of the Italians because they were not violent, but helped developed Eritrea unlike the other western colonize in Africa, who were very brutal to Africans.
Stop lying !!!! You are not Eritrean, No Eritrean ever married an outsider. And all those who have Italian blood have left for Italy. Today there is no Eritrean who have Italian blood. Almost all of us can trace our ancestors for at least 7th generation that is way before Italy came to Eritrea. Most of us are just Eritreans, If you are an odd one just speak for your self , not us. P.s Italians did not Invade Eritrea, They controlled coastal regions and later penetrated to ward Hamasien. There was no war between Eritrea and Italy cuz Italians are the one who created the nation of Eritrea. Italy only Invaded Ethiopia.
@Riccardo Venturino Thats ridiculous, how can you expect a peoples leaving a nation which is less than 4 million people able to change the face of whole Europe (i.e 700+ million people) ??? and No they are not gonna stay there forever as if the regime will continue to rule for millions of years. Don't worry they aren't an army of flying seeds going for your girls to lead you to an extinction, trust me they are very conservative. They don't go out of their own. And I don't agree about the first statement you said about Roman stuff.
Brainwashing. The great Italian nation is being poisoned by these false concepts. These perverts want to flood Italy with hate filled migrants who will replace the Italians. This talk is meant to soften up our minds and prevent us from defending our homeland. Viva Italia..
yes, I have, very secretive about the truth! But they do black face and have parades in honor of moors but are very racist towards so called black people who are really moors!
MrSivram28. He wasn’t lying. Italian is a nationality so he may truly be Italian, because of the country where he was born, but his “race” may be black. Race and nationality are two different things.
hes not lying, the whole point of this video is to point out black people have been in Europe for a long time.. the moors??? and thus blood and traits and shared as offspring off mixes of people are born... many Italians, stereotypically from the south have curly even coiled hair like African descendants... hence the whole tittle of the video and history that hasnt been written yet.... Italians all look different... specially from north to south, there is so much internal racism just between the north and the south that there is stark facial differences and skin tone amongst Italians... (id even go as far to say literally all countries are like this, even if they have a stereotypical look)
It’s because Italians in general are darker it’s literally just north of Africa and near the Middle East how could they not be dark I lived in Italy for 2 years Italians are clearly a mixed race and it’s not just southern Italians that are darker northern Italians for the most part are olive skin go to Genoa or Florence they look olive to me iam Mexican and Italian and my Italian side is quite a bit darker than my Mexican side
I am half Sicilian/half German with light skin, blonde hair, blue eyes. As a little girl, I always thought my 100% sicilian uncle was black. He had dark skin, a fro, and a deep raspy voice.
As an Italian, especially Southern Italian, I know we have more autosomal black DNA than Northern Europeans. I'm not ashamed. I'm proud of my black heritage (along with the rest of my heritage).
Brainwashing. The great Italian nation is being poisoned by these false concepts. These perverts want to flood Italy with hate filled migrants who will replace the Italians. This talk is meant to soften up our minds and prevent us from defending our homeland. Viva Italia..
as southern italian, I can say you're an imbecile, we have nothing to do with black, we've been invaded by Arabs and North Africans, never by black. Then, if your mother have secrets, it's your business
No we do not.. Sub Saharan DNA is about 2%, the same amount found in Spain, Portugal, France . There is no Western European Nation that does not have Sub Saharan DNA. There is a British magazine by the unlikely name of PET, which deals on a variety of subjects. This magazine states with proof that 20% of the British population has some Black DNA. Look it up. I am of Southern Italian descent and according to my DNA which has been analyzed by two different laboratories, I am 100% white , Caucasian and I am very proud of that. You should stop spreading falsehoods about Italians !!
Fra ma che dici? Ti scongiuro non farti entrare ste americanate in testa. Guy is confused by american propaganda don't listen to him yall we ait black.
Italy is a Beautiful Country with Beautiful People I visited Florence Rome Pompeii Vesuvius Lake Como Venice The Coliseum The Vatican The Catacombs Milan
this is a great video and although im italian from new york i always supported blacks in italy cause i know its true and i hope black countries can find peace
Black 100 % italian it’s only in your head, 100 % italian with brown skin yes, but black skin never. Indian people, arab people, mongolian people are black ? no. so ?
@@Dibipable Ok. I understand. You are not knowledgeable of what is determined black in USA. Forgive me. for referring to what white americcans term as "black.' Its a fault of living under white supremacy rule. White americans consider anyone w/brown skin of various shades lighter & darker as being "black." In US 1 drop of "black" blood they are called black. When I was living in Italy, I learned that In Italy biracials are called "mulatto."
Ah OK ! 🤦🏻♂️ It’s very very very... stupid... In France it’s «mulâtre», «métisse»... Black DNA is also in mediterranean people and others peoples... the History said that too...
Smart. It’s very curious that you have never seen an italian with brown skin, an italian with very brown skin, with the maghrebian type, the lebanese type, the pakistani type, the puerto rican type, i know many who are like that, there are some in my family like that, there are many among the sardinians, the sicilians, the neapolitans, the calabrians, the albanians, the greeks, the portuguese, the spaniards.
the Germans in Alto Adige have italian citizenship, still they are German. There's a great difference between nationality and citizenship. People who don't even understand that should get back to school or stay silent and let the grown people talk
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
@@sloancostella2772...Buddy you're a year behind...seems like you're commenting off emotion...I don't think it's wise for you to make comments w/o proper research...that means you need to do some first before you make yourself look foolish...no one said anything about Black...something must be wrong with your eyes?...it's a proven fact Sicilians have Moorish blood running in their veins...
NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES MOVIES TV SHOWS CARTOONS TELL THE ENTIRE WORLD WHO WE ARE IT'LL BE THOSE SAME UNEDUCATED PEOPLE WHO WOULD STILL DENY OUR HISTORY. SMFH
History of what? We Sicilians and Italians don't have Black African ancestry. If you got a problem buy a plane ticket to Palermò, Sicily and we'll have a war.!!
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
Awesome! But the term is AFRO Italian. Black is a color in a crayon box, not a group of people. There is no country in existence called the country of "Black."
A great informative video, thanks for uploading this when you did. Also...one correction, black pilots flew for the French Foreign Legion during WW1, so our esteemed professor is a tad bit off on that one.
Seems that modern italy post 1920 dismisses always the Italians killed in action in world war 1 guess 490,900 is not enough losses for modern intelectuals
@@johnvercellone1988 "The Italian military was very poorly led during the First World War. Many of its officers demonstrated a noticeable lack of concern for their troops along with a penchant for harsh, often cruel discipline, when their men were unable to achieve their objectives". This was a key reason why they had so many losses...maybe Italy was responsible for a large reason for their losses. Few who study the history would be aware of this.
@@johnvercellone1988 Best take a look of at least 5 black emperors of Rome...influence from Africa...I know that shit bothers you people...history...history...history ...
Italian Americans were more despised in New Orleans than in any other place in the country, as they were lynched en masse. While it's been said that the incident was a result of killing a Police Chief, the seeds were already there due to Italian Americans mixing fairly well with African Americans in the city. You know the relations were even more intimate between Italian American males and African American females when among the dozens of Italian surnames which African Americans in New Orleans bear are Arena, Ammirato, Angeletti, Barabino, Bivalacqua, Bruno, Cagnolatti, Corelli, Cuneo, Danna, Dibartolo, Domio, Fascio, Ferrara, Fortuna, Gallo, Garibaldi, Gilardoni, Liuzza, Lorio, Manetta, Martello, Nocentelli, Romano, Sentino, and Taranto..etc
What unmitigated BS. Every ethnic mixed with blacks, ...Shaquille O'Neal ring a bell? In fact Italians mixed the LEAST. And that BS "en masse" was ONE incident of ELEVEN Italians and it was NOT the worst, the worst was against the Chinese.
It's damn interesting when you think you'll end up on a mountain in the Alps or a Bavarian forest. Deep down in the bowls on the mind, without education or intellect you know that all roads lead to Africa. The shock is those roads are just a couple hundred years old. That's why you don't get sunburns and your hair in difficult to straighten. Hey, if you'd been born in the US, that one drop would have gotten you on the plantation.
Italians southern ones especially Sicilians share a facial similarity with black Africans. Similar nose , lips, head shape etc. I can understand any theories that they are mixed
One hell of a Life: A film needs to be made about this man Leon Jacovici, in fact, all of these sons of Africa-Not forgetting daughters...History walks with greatness.
@@coleslaw9181 There’s always a racist hanging out around these conversations. Its so strange. Why not just watch klan rally’s or nazi meetings? That way you can hear what u wanna hear.
@@donniexl1033 To dumb to comprehend it are we? I mean I thought I put it pretty bluntly. Well, if you don 't fathom it already then you probably NEVER will, so forget it.
I live in Australia and of Sicilian back ground although I was born here I don’t feel like I fit in around fellow white Anglo Australians. I don’t connect or feel like I am welcomed by them especially older ones. The culture and way of living is much different they see me as different even though I am white and born here
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
@@Kabeyavictoria ye we are a country that have to deal with so many contradictions with the past, like the fact we passed from being a colony, to be colonizers or we passed from being immigrants to have immigrants here, and what fascism did was to cancel the past and contribute to create the myth of Romans as uniform ethnic group ruler of the world. But we have to deal with the fact Italians weren't always accepted from whole western system, but as we got the opportunity we turned from oppressed to oppressors and that's sooo lame
For the 40 to 50 white ppl in the room. Anyone dark lives that shit still today. Hell half the ppl in that room have most likely have seen hatred displayed or carried it out themselves towards other demographics.
I learn that Italian were consider people of color in the USA until they decided to say colobus discovered America that they made Italian white on census. They didn't want a person of color discovering America. My dad's father was from Sicily and he said he was called black Sicilian. That because it was a port that all races inter married .proud of my dna. This was very interesting to me. 😢
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
I don't understand what's the problem with all this nasty comments, did you watch the video? Nobody's claiming all Italians are black or Africans, what has been said is (i'll make short of course) movement of people between Italy and Africa did exist for long and before recent time and Italians sometime somewhere (1800 north Europe and US) were considered not properly white and inferior. I just added, as i grow up in Italy, that those kind of topic are not even mention at school or in public debates. I don't understand why all of you are so mad for this
@@tonywats1844 www.pnas.org/content/103/1/242 "Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa"
@@Dibipable Today, the term Moor is used to designate the predominant Arab-Amazigh ethnic group in Mauritania (which makes up more than two-thirds of the country’s population) and the small Arab-Amazigh minority in Mali.
@Al Smith No one is trying to steal anyone ones history because we all know many stories are not written down and half the stories are not told and you are either African or you are Not? Have you ever wondered how people in North Africa came to look the way they look unless those of North Africa became a mixed raced peoples for obvious reasons..... ie invasion and intermarriage --- just think about it?
@@massinissaziriamazigh8122, lol not to steal your thunder but the historical Moors were black people. look it up properly. This was written and observed by ancient/old historians kings and queens. No one can steal your history you are the winners you write history and the world accepts it but the blacks have had theirs stolen and rewritten and a lot of it is starting to surface now in the age of information. This is happening in such a triumphant and blatant way that many WHITE experts are confirming this. People only listen to white experts as they always have so let some of their latest so-called findings speak for themselves. I mean please don't act like when you say the word 'Australian' you don't see a white person in your head, a few hundred years from now the blacks that originally lived there will probably be forgotten and another proud ignorant person will say the blacks are trying to steal our history when they claim that they were there first. Say American you see another white person or the North of Africa you see Arabic people. History is written by the WINNER of wars, NEVER the truth, that is something you have to search long and hard for.
I remember when I worked in a printing business and there was this Italian girl and her mom that worked there; Me and the daughter were on flirting terms and asked me to give her dad some material we were otherwise going to throw away; I folded it up and just acted my usual self when I met him when he came into the building with his wife. He liked me very much and seemed glad to talk to me. I thought is was because we were both on the short side but the same height. His wife was... distant and inquisitive; especially odd since she already kind of knew me. I guess what it was is that she told them that the one that would give them the cloth was the one she loved. The mother may have had some reservations, but the dad was very happy that I was African American; he even called me "son" the first day we met.
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
No one is DISPUTING that fact, but what REASONABLE people are DISPUTING is: JUST because one is ITALIAN, doesn't mean that a great deal of them DOESN'T have the African or Black experience in common, Dinero, myself and many others that are HONEST about this truth and fact!
The man is giving the original presentation in Italian. The lady is translating the Italian presentation to English for the audience. She does a good job with the translation, and doesn't leave anything out. However, she does make some small mistakes, for example with numbers for dates given, and some other details.
He keeps pausing because that's his style. He probably wants to sell a book. Nothing substantial has been missed. I could add he didn't say anything substantial and is basically unknown
Here I am thinking my small percentage of Italian/Sicilian/Sardinian dna was from them being in America and whole time it's probably from the Berbers and Moors
@@hypatiahawks1740 Berbers are associated with Spain and Eastern North Africa.. At that time, The Byzantines were governing Sicily when they invited the Eygptian Aghlabids to govern the Island...Go read a book
@@manitheman0806 Egyptian were not an Arab tribe that is what the Aghlabids were. Amazigh Berbers are closely related to Somalis, Libyans and are indigenous North Africans. Spain is very close to Morocco so many Moroccans have a bit of Iberian ancestry.
Funny you should mention that i always thought there is something black about Italians. Who can blame them for wanting to be seen as as pure Arian life is easier that way. Either way they are beautiful people in culture and spirit.
@@yanniatx pretty soon everyone and their mother is going to claim to be black. Why? "Black people" are NOT BLACK. They are not a color, but they are of shemitic stock; The Hebrews, God's chosen people. The way the world is set up today isn't going to last much longer. The Europeans lead by their mother Rome has told nothing but lies.
@@yanniatx Where do you think the ARABS come from? DO YOUR research and you will find that BEFORE the term MIDDLE EAST, came about, that place was ORIGINALLY also called AFRICA.
I look at this comment section and remember that everyone still will reluctantly accept us Sicilians into the social constructs of society. We either say that we are white or Northern Italian in America
@@user-mm2tk1jg5j I think the discriminations against southern Italians in Italy are not based on their skin color. It looks more a matter of cultural and social background.
@@user-mm2tk1jg5j honestly I asked you this question cause I'm from northern Italy and every time I go to the USA and I say I'm Italian people struggle to match my physical appearance with my nationality. They always argue that I look EUROPEAN rather than Italian. I did not know that Italians were not considered Europeans. Also, I don't know what they mean by "looking Italian" as a significant part of Italians, especially the ones from Northern Italy, look exactly like me. So I was just a bit shocked XD
@@user-mm2tk1jg5j We don't really care about southern Italians' skin color and origins in Italy. Of course, some people mentioned this difference, not necessarily in a racist way. However, we all know that the term "Italians" does not refer to a race but to a nationality, cause Italians are a mixed population. While I had the impression, when I went to the USA, that the term Italian refers to some kind of race ... a race that does not include a significant part of Italians apparently.
Groannnnnnnn!! .. . here, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YQjec7Pohgo.html how about some TRUE BLACK African super-civilization and culture
That's Y-chromosome DNA though (paternal line only). Autosomal DNA (more recent admixture) shows higher amount of black DNA in Italy than Northern Europeans.
I need to drill down into this, but there may be a blood connection to sub-Saharan Africa in terms of DNA prior and yes I mean prior to the so-called transatlantic slave trade. I have met Sicilians who tell me they are African and they are quite proud of this lineage. It occurred to me when the word Guinea is apparently used in derogatory terms in North America. But this is also used about indigenous Italians by American Italians as if to separate themselves. I'm sure there are DNA studies somewhere that show interesting journeying of humans travelling through from African regions. The similarity to sub-Saharan African food is gnocchi and there is an astonishing Italian rustic meal that is like pounded-yam and then eaten with the heads. Not only that it is eaten off the same platter and this is a unifying act in sub-Saharan western Africa. I'm sure I'll be shouted down from making these observations, but I have nothing to loose or gain by making these observations and connections.
The Roman Empire was ethnically mixed. Anyone who has been to Italy (specifically Pompeii) can see that. There are dark skinned African looking people in the mosaic works!
@Galderik Ancient Rome was LITERALLY a melting pot. It has nothing to do with movies. Have you not seen the Column of Trajan with the locked-haired NUMIDIAN soldiers (modern day people of Chad are their descendants - the Toubou people). Not to mention the existence of Numidians and soldiers from Iran stationed at the southern border of Germany (the ancestors of the "Black Dutch"). Africans have been in Europe since the BC era. Even Great Britain had to add this fact to their school curriculum. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3392088/GCSE-pupils-taught-nation-s-earliest-inhabitants-Africans-Britain-English.html museumcrush.org/the-mystery-of-beachy-head-lady-a-roman-african-from-eastbourne/ So, again, you racists need to get over your racial hangups. The entire planet was brown at one point. Lighter skinned people are recent mutations of darker skinned people (light skin and blue eyes are only 6,000 - 8,000 years old). So, racism is very dumb. Many of your Etruscan ancestors were also brown skinned as well. i.pinimg.com/736x/75/4c/af/754caf4d45ee23dbafd30e7fe37de38a.jpg 66.media.tumblr.com/97b19038ff7b903fbb75374ceab24fb9/tumblr_nj462dQR2B1ssmm02o1_1280.jpg www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Etruscan/Etruscan_relief2.jpg Mixed/brown people rock and we are the future!
No way. I have never met a single Italian that is proud to have African blood, never heard about. And not cause of racism but just because Africans never settled in Italy. Gnocchi are not eaten with hand but with forks. My mother tells me that when she was a child they used to eat from the same plate: cause they were poor as fuck
As a full-blooded Black in America I do not know how any body can not tell that Italians are as white as any other Caucasion from the European continent period !!.
That translator is full of SH... you know what. What Valeri said was BLACK boys and black girls (or you can say young BLACK men and women). I find the hypocrisy of her translation in a discussion on Black Italians was absolutely uncalled for. She was simply scared to say it. He stumbled in speaking at that point. Of course she could not avoid it with what followed... Furthermore, this discussion is very important, especially in today's context in Italy. Forgotten history often breeds exaggerated racism. That is to say racism that goes above and beyond. However it is somehow in the collective memory of Italians that there was some connection between Italy and the African diaspora. One common expression in the South of Italy is Calafrica (Calabria-Africa). This is also part of the engine behind the tensions between Northern and Southern Italy, as the Germanic peoples who mixed into the Northern population preceding, during, and after the sacking of Rome caused a shift in Italic mentality about color. Furthermore, part of the Roman period racism was to point out the savage, uncivilized, pale-skinned, golden haired in Germania who lived too much in nature. This may have been part of the reasoning for the Nazi views of the Italians. And certainly it was connected to the judgement the South Tyrolians as traitors as they opted out of "reuniting" Germany as Germany set forth to form its nation state.
funny how the biggest racist in history ADOLF HITLER certainly regarded italians as white but there are always idiots who want to twist the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As much as I would like to commend you for this video and I do and being a few months into my Italian language course, I find this attempt at authenticity to lack the true "hidden" history I expected. It took 20 minutes to tell the story of the half African/ half Italian young man who became a boxer. And while that's of some interest the truth is that for 800 years Africans/Melanated people were in control and leaders in italy. Where are the descendants of Hannibal and his soldiers? Who were they? Since most of Europe in general was populated by melanated people, swarthy/Black, people, who were the Italian generals & soldiers who fought Hannibal's army? What is their physical description? And, I'm sure the answer is they were dark, as in brown. Why were they not discussed? The Roman senators in large part were melanated people. They were not discussed or shown, why? This is an attempt to break the ice but as I'm sure the lecturer knows this is nowhere near telling the story of so-called "black" Italians considered "white" because until 1924 all people born in Europe were considered "white." I don't know why but I'll find out. We don't need to look to Sierra Leone or the Sudan to find black people who were brought in as enslaved people and then become italian. So-called whites have thin, flat hair. Blacks have thicker or bushy, curly hair. Asians have round hair. Melanated Italians with curly or wiry hair were there when Hannibal and his army descended from the mountains into Italy. I'd say, Italy, at that time, was already a Black and Brown citizenry.
Good points, Mystic Journies of Zunny Matema -- Indeed, the indigenous people of Italy were the Etruscans, a Black society. Their culture has been suppressed and altered in Italy. Scroll down on my blog for info on the Etruscans. leslester.blogspot.com
Your confusing the sieges of sicily and Southern Italy with Al Andaluz (Spain, Portugal) in regards to time frame of how long they lasted. They are not the same. Europe is far bigger than just Spain,Portugal, sicily and Southern Italy. The moors weren't of a singular phenotype. As a term it has been as over used as the blanket terms white, black, mullato etc regardless of etymological origin.
I don't think I missused or overused the term Moors. I was simply taking it from research I've done and this was how blacks were described in the areas you speak of. There's always more to learn and I'm so thankful that you wanted to contribute something. Given that under any name Blacks were throughout the world in every corner, I can understand that there were different ethnic cultures of Blacks. But I will stand with what I said about Blacks who came with Hannibal. It's so much fun when we learn together! Don't you agree?
Tutte queste storie dovrebbero esser portate sul grande schermo. Dovrebbero farlo ad Hollywood piuttosto che farsi la guerra tra di loro. I consumatori afrodiscendenti in Italia si sentirebbero più vicini al sogno americano. Dopo il casino avvenuto con George Floyd, gli usa dovrebbero pensare a darsi da fare e utilizzare la macchina cinematografica per fare film a manetta.
There were two "black" pilots in World War 1 Ahmet Ali Çelikten[1][ fom Turkey and the other was Eugene Jacques Bullard an American born but flew as a French citizen.
Italians don't have a race, it's a nationality. Even in ancient Rome there were populations from different races and it's a fact. We were conquered by many people, all the differences are cultural
What's that? .. . ITALIANS are BLACK aye? Well then, I guess THAT means that ohhhhhhhhh let's see? .. . Christina Ricci is BLACK? the Mona Lisa is BLACK? Madonna is BLACK? the Pope is BLACK? John Travolta is BLACK? Marlon Brando is BLACK? Frank "old blue eyes" Sinatra is BLACK? The figures depicted in the Last Supper painting are BLACK? Benito Mussolini is BLACK? Jay Leno is BLACK? Sophia Loren is BLACK? Rudolf Valentino is BLACK? Federico Fellini is BLACK? Sylvester Stallone is BLACK? Lou Costello is BLACK? Robert DeNiro is BLACK? John Belushi is BLACK? Sergio Leon is BLACK? Ennio Morricone is BLACK? Asia Argento is BLACK? Dom Deluise is BLACK? Those figures depicted in the ‘Last Judgement painting on the Sistine Chapel are BLACK? Gepetto and Pinnochio are BLACK? . .. and I always thought THEY were WHITE! Maybe I'm color blind?
Did you see the picture on the projector screen do you know who that is that is Allesandro de Manila Medici El Morro hereditarian prince of Florence his mother was black his father was a Medici he ruled Florence Italyspit on that screen
@Eros Delorenzi I know exactly what you mean....But they try to appease the other side for the reason of historical justification or relevance...BTW, i agree with you 100%....
@@charliesargent6225 @Gorgeous Beauty Not unusual, especially when Euro-American men fathered a lot of babies w/African-american women during slavery. LOL you didnt think about that, huh? Half them so-called white folks in the south got black genes. LOL! That's the big joke! My great grandfather was 1/2 white, I never did the genealogy. I assumed he was Irish, but might be Italian actually.
Just because someone sais they are italian doesnt mean its true I mean italy has just as many migrants as France unfortunately doesnt mean they are actually native Italians
Do you know that the islands of Sicily and Sadinia were once part of Africa, accupied by Africans? I suggest you read the history of the three TROJAN wars, that will give you some insight on what I am talking about.
Native italians are the product of thousands of years of mixing. In Sicily somwhone is blonde and somewhone is dark skinned, in Veneto you can find a milk skin girl and somewhone who reminds you of africans. We are not a race or ethnicity as the people in the north europe can be.
@@micheleumbertospinetti9558 how are italian genes identified then? you have genetic testing companies that can pinpoint the region in Italy where people are from using their dna profile.
SAN CALOGERO The story goes that the “black” saint, who arrived in Sicily to evangelise and spread the Christian faith, took care of the poor and sick. He cured them using the sulphurous waters of the volcanic caves (now the Terme di Sciacca, known as Stufe di San Calogero), where he retired to live as a hermit. During a period of plague, he went to the village to procure bread for the poor, and the people, holed up in their houses for fear of contagion, threw the bread out of the windows. This is the episode that the people of Agrigento commemorate, throwing small loaves of bread with sesame and fennel seeds as the statue of the thaumaturge saint passes by. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4hEFRsovfPM.htmlsi=neOsj7aeU-Yjmquf
People from Sicily are mixed with North African blood , not Sub-Saharan blood , because if that were the case there would be a lot dark black-skinned People in Sicily , not Olive-skinned People because melanated genes are highly dominant.
the berbers themselves the original ones come from ancient western Nubia decent and also I am eastern Nubian Somali-Djibouti and some Sudanese look like us.
@House of Savoy why the fuck would anyone call an Arab a Moor. When Moor means Black? They called black people Blackamoors in Europe and Early colonial US. Never in history has a Arab been called a Moor. That is a term strictly to someone with brown to black skin.
@@jamesstones638 Not true..The Moors were NOT ARABIANS..They were black men who ADOPTED the customs of the Arabs..Also there were Christian Black Moors who ruled in England..
This completely erases the history of the Two Sicilies as well until an audience member brought it up around 01:16:00 but they still continued to deny the racism against southerners and Sicilians in their answers.
I am a North African Algerian, I am a Berber and I speak the Berber language, I am not black, North Africa is not Cameroon and Ghana ( I respect them and I have nothing against them )I'm just clarifying a few things. here in North Africa there is a Mediterranean climate, and in the south there is the Sahara, not the equator like Sub-Saharan Africa
I have been to Sicily, among people who look mixed with semi-afro hair. There’s definitely African blood in many of them. Arabs are mixed people. Many of them have some African blood. It’s obvious. Probably Berbers do too if they are darker skinned with afro-textured hair. - But I guess you can argue with the KKK how white you are. 🤷🏾♀️
@@vanessabanigo7788 What is "semi-afro hair"? You guys from the North just want the Sicilians to be Africans, that's all. But actually, it is clear to see that Sicilians and Northern Africans look completely different. I mean, of course there are some people who have some black ancestry since Africa is around the corner. However, it's not that Sicilians are semi-blacks or that kind.
This is something that many Americans don't know. They think that the whole of Africa is a black continent, not knowing that the North is part of the Middle Eastern culture.
@@profharp I don't think so. The first "white people" used to be dark haired. Blond people are a nature's reaction of the very cold and dark weather in Northern Europe. It's not that blond + black = Southern European
The ground state of the ancient artifacts of ancient black indigenous people of Italic tribes and more.The other people from other places came down and mix with the people and try to change everything.
markey411za no the first inhabitants where the Sicani They where Iberian people that makes up Spain and Portugal the sicals where there I do European then the. Elymians not much is known about them these are the three contentment’s of Sicily then the Greeks and phonecians came after the phonecians where African they where actually Canaanites who decent from ham that is where Africans came in
The whole world came from Africa which it wasn't its name. And there were different shades of brown people of all tribes with thick hair mixed hair straight hair curly hair all over the world than later all things change in mysterious ways and more.
Not to mention that Italian opera is like hip hop, and Venice is like Lagos. And if you listen carefully Italian sounds like Hebrew as spoken in Detroit
After watching the "ENTIRE VIDEO" I can see that I made an error in criticizing this video for not being more "HISTORICAL" which was not its primary focus, but instead, this video was focused on the "Sociological" aspects of Italian life for Blacks in Italy from the Colonial Era to the present day in regards to racial discrimination, as well as Black Psychological identification as it relates to accepting ones own "Black Psychological Concept". There was the discussion about the different kinds of RACISM, which relates to blatant racist individuals, as well as to the so-call Anti-Racist who are racist mutants who actually subconsciously evolve from the overt racist, but do not consider themselves to be racists. A good EXAMPLE of what I would consider to be the "MUTANT RACIST" who do not believe that they are a racist are the people who believe that when immigrants arrive in a host country with their own cultural values, that they should leave those ways of living back where they came from and adapt to the cultural way of life in the new country. In other words, all NEW ARRIVALS to any country should be afforded the luxury to maintain their old cultural values while allowing countries to become cultural pluralities. But there are not many countries that are willing to make that sacrifice UNLESS the NEW CULTURE that the new immigrants are bringing has been proven to be of a higher superior value which can improve the nation as a whole.. I think that most people would have to adjust themselves to what we call American culture which is in many ways a plural society when it comes to food, religion, languages, but there is a term which I would call a "CULTURAL CENTER" within most nations where all citizens would tend to agree. Overall, I think that this video was very interesting and highly informative after watching its entirety..
Continent of Africa after the 3rd Punic war with Italy and carthage(TUNISIA). General Scipio Africanus beat Hannibal so in his honor Caesar named it Africa. We had a name wayyyy before he came along
Non-Black Argentines HATE this history worse than Italians do! Argentina is extremely anti-Black and anti-Indigenous. Genocidio. 😒 Actually, “non-Black Argentines” includes the immigrant Italians.
@Galderik You are completely lying. Even Ariana Grande has 10% North African blood and there are other Italians who have done DNA tests here on RU-vid who have around 10% -20% African (including the "dreaded" Sub Saharan African blood) as well. Mixed Sicilian speaking on his heritage: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j8BrfmGrkzo.html Sicilian breaking down their DNA: siciliangodmother.com/2015/08/17/what-do-sicilians-look-like-lets-dig-into-the-dna/ Three original tribes called Sicani, Elymians and Sicels. They were the first arrivals after Sicily rose up out of the sea, and ancient writers thought they originated from Spain, mainland Italy and Greece. Carthaginians (Carthage is now called Tunis). They were Phoenicians (from what is now Lebanon) mixed with a few North African Berbers. Greeks Romans Jews, who were the only ones to migrate to Sicily instead of invading. Nobody knows exactly when they came but they were here before the Moors invaded. Moors from North Africa (they were an ethnic mix of Middle Eastern Arabs and North African tribes) Vikings (otherwise known as Normans or Norsemen) Vandals (a Germanic tribe) Ostrogoths (from the Byzantine Empire) Swabians from what is now South Germany Angevins from what is now France Aragonese from what is now Spain More French and Spanish and also Austrians Bourbon French And finally, Mainland Italians. North Africans are heavily mixed themselves and originally resembled East Africans like Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis (Haplogroup E1B1B) before the invasion of various ethnic groups like the Vandals, Arabs, Greeks and Romans. Their indigenous African tongue is also an Afro Asiatic Language which originated in AFRICA, not Europe. It was a pretty even exchange of genes on both sides of the Mediterranean. Africans have been in Europe since the BC era. Trajan's army was comprised of Numidians (the modern day Chadian Toubou people) and soldiers from Iran who were stationed as far north as Germany 2000 years ago. Not every Italian is mixed with other ethnic groups obviously because Italians are not a homogenous group. Northern Italians are more likely to be Germanic than Southern Italians are. Southern Italians are more likely to be mixed due to proximity to seafaring ethnic groups who contributed to the culture. Sorry but the tea has been spilled and racists need to get over their hangups about some Italians being part African! Rome and Greece's entire civilization came from Africa so get over your racial hang ups!
Italians have North African DNA that's why there we are dark with thick wavy hair and thick noses. The panic wars Hannibal left over 100,000 Carthaians in Rome and they breaded in with the Roman's and to this day Italians still have there DNA and it shows.
@House of Savoy Skintone is to do with your race, you telling someone born italy has italian, eats italian,talks italian ect... is not a 'true' italian because their ancesters I must not be a true brit then bc my dad not from here, there alot sicilians greek ancestry no one is 100%idc what you say, if you are born and raised in a country and all you know is being from that country, your'e from there, like american italian they're just americans with italian origins most can't speak word of italian and african american, they're real americans no matter their ancestry
@House of Savoy Hahah italian would just obviously where you were born and brought up, you could black, blue or green and still be italian, like i'm mixed and still british
doesnt matter my family gos back to the 16th century in a small town of northern italy and they will always say there italians from there province we have blood from Roman descent and sicilians come from our people as well were all the same just different dialect
This is so stupid. Italians are not black. You can just look at them. I'm sicilian we have north African blood the Arabs were in sicily for 900 years. It doesn't matter whose black but this isn't even a reality. My family has blue eyes pale skin very fine features. Sicilian are a mix though. I got Portuguese Spanish north African Greek etc but they were low levels. I think they are pushing it here
Brainwashing. The great Italian nation is being poisoned by these false concepts. These perverts want to flood Italy with hate filled migrants who will replace the Italians. This talk is meant to soften up our minds and prevent us from defending our homeland. Viva Italia..
Brainwashing. The great Italian nation is being poisoned by these false concepts. These perverts want to flood Italy with hate filled migrants who will replace the Italians. This talk is meant to soften up our minds and prevent us from defending our homeland. Viva Italia..
@stoic romulan yep that's why Italians/Sicilians look so much like black folks LOL same nose radius same big lips and same nappy hair yah they really look like black folks LOL man they don't even look biracial get real 😂
Tyrone Warfield I meant to be a smart ass with that comment, I know I am mixed, there’s photos that my family has and the men my ancestors where African. This is many generations back, my point is that most Sicilians are mixed, and most I know won’t admit it, they think they are white, even my own cousins, I ask them how could they have a genetic marker that’s from Africa, and why do we all have African features in varying degrees... why did our grandmother die from sickle cell anemia if we where not mixed... and also who the hell cares, it’s not what genetic make up we are, we are all the same, we are all imperfect and that’s what makes us uniquely perfect at the same time... no idea what is going on today, but don’t judge people based on genetics, base it ones actions because everything else is just words.
