Yeah no worries we all just wanted to point out the impact Summoning have on an entire subgenre. I dont know what subgenre i love the most , preety much everything has something to enjoy. i could go from satanic warmaster to mesarthim or moonlight sorcery and enjoy equally. Lately am stuck with stormkeep's galdrum and the classic vittra from naglfar.
@@HandtuchAufDerLiegeImUrlaub I would put Caladan Brood, Firienholt and Can Bardd in the Epic Black Metal subgenre. All of which I like a lot. These are all medieval-sounding and therefore quite "folky", and also atmospheric. Then you've got bands like Drengskapur, should they be put in the Atmospheric BM pile? If so, there is a huge difference between them and Eldamar, for instance.
@@TheSerpentKingbtw, its kind of a random message, but you should check Profanum - Flowers of our Black Misantrophy. They are kind of similiar artists. When u check on them (maybe) give me some feedback ;p i ve already listened it like 30 times, just like Limbonic back these days
@@TheSerpentKing damn I have that too. It was actually back in 2001. I found Moon in the Scorpio and was hooked. Mine are in rough shape but still play. I could never part with them, mine. 💀
Exactly what i think. Enslaved is good example. Their first "Yggdrasill" is worth listening. "Vikingligr Veldi" is my favorite among all albums. After the «Eld» it was kind of bad, not in my taste mostly, but still some songs are exception. To the point of «Axioma Ethica Odini» it is all was one big experiment. And after (including) Axioma it was great again, reborn to prog black. However, «E» was last thing i liked, not a fan of new stuff.
I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago as I've been getting into black metal since the past few months and gotta say i focking love it and admire how much value and time you've put into this channel spreading knowledge and sharing laughter with funny videos, which I still havent got tire of watching them over and over. Maybe this comment isn't too blackish but whatever, keep it up bro!
Dude, there are only TWO Black Metal subgenres: Trve Kvlt and Poser Crap. Having said that, congrats for your excelent taste. Blackgaze is the Trvest Shit.
Great list! I would put folk black metal on S because of bands like Moonsorrow and industrial bm on A, I like it, for example bands like Mysticum. And I also think first wave is easy S because of Bathory alone :)
Symphonic Black Metal: C Folk/Black Metal: A NSBM: C (Just want to point out that it is good musically. Just the political lyrics itself are not my cup of tea.) Pagan Black Metal: B Blackgaze: B- Atmospheric Black Metal: A+ Black/Thrash Metal: B Progressive Black Metal: B- DSBM: B-? Avant-Garde Black Metal: C- (Way too much experimental stuff isn't my thing.) Melodic Black Metal: A Post-Black Metal: B- Viking Metal: B+ Blackened Crust: B- Black/Doom Metal: A- First Wave Black Metal: B+ Second Wave Black Metal: S Ambient Black Metal: A+ Raw Black Metal: A- War Black Metal: B Black/Death Metal: B+ Gothic Black Metal: B-? Epic Black Metal: A Industrial Black Metal: B What's not on the list in that video that I'm gonna rank. Christian Black (a.k.a. Unblack) Metal: C (Religious me back then would've ranked that S tier. LOL.) RABM: C
I recommend you to listen first and second Bal-Sagoth albums. They classified as symphonic black metal. They are very good. With longs songs which are not boring at all.
I hadn't listened to "Oak and Aspen" before, so I listened to it now based on your suggestion here, but I don't think it's that great... It has clean vocals, I don't think clean vocals in black metal sound good. If it wouldn't have the clean vocals, I think I would like it.
@@ahsoka5385 Isn't pagan black metal just blackened folk metal? And why do we considered themes to be genres? If a christian was creating black metal about his religion that sounded exactly like pagan metal, would it be not pagan metal?
Pale Swordsman album is kind of Gothic Black Metal, no? Next video idea. You recommend us 1 or 2 albums/bands from each of the genres you put in the tier list.
2:34 I know this list is your personal opinion but you only mentioned alcest and put the genre in c cos it was a bit too friendly, thats fair but my bet would be go through Neige's early discog, through early amesoeurs (ruines humaines), Peste Noire and the tristesse hivernale ep and u might change your mind on blackgaze byou know what i mean? but nice vid still as always, love from Australia
lol at NSBM in B-tier I get it, the sound can be super ambiguous and sound like anything. That's why the genre can only be judged by the lyrics and obviously they have to rank in F-tier
Nice video! I was actually kind of surprised that you mentioned Dragged Into Sunlight for Black Crust, because I always considered them to be Black Death Doom Metal (Metal Archives agree in that point). I would still be interested to see your opinion on some Black Sludge bands such as Keeper, Old Witch, Burning Witch and Graves At Sea. But cool that you included it!
Farvann are you familiar with Imperium Dekadenz? If so I'm curious how popular they are in your country since they're German. I absolutely love them, but then again I do hold atmo BM as my S tier. Great content as always, thank you!
Thorns from Norway are considered Industrial Black Metal. I personally would also consider "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" by Satyricon industrial black metal albums. But the masters of this disguise are Anaal Nathrakh from UK in my humble opinion. They all manage to still sound very organic to me. Whatever you consider to be outside your favorite taste will be defended by a frenetic supporter.
Excelente, compañero. Enhorabuena por la seriedad con la que haces tus vídeos. Saludos del Conde Vasili y los miembros de la redacción de BM plus legions desde Madrid, España. Nos hemos suscrito
Ok, there you go my tier list: S: atmospheric black metal; black thrash metal; melodic black metal; viking metal; black/death metal; A: dsbm; symphonic black metal; black doom; raw black metal; B: folk black metal; black'n'roll; gothic black metal; industrial black metal; C: post-black metal; blackened crust; D: blackgaze; progressive black metal; ambient black metal; E(not F): avant-garde black metal; Other genres I don't consider genres but terms for classification of age or lyrics, or something else, it doesn't influences the sound
Melodic Black Metal is S Tier 100% Dissection alone carries that torch, Vinterland, Dawn, just so many bands from 93 - 97 that made Melo Black the best genre of Black metal imo. Then you had Abigor, Blut Aus Nord, Gehenna, Keep of Kalessin, Lord Belial moving in with the Atmospheric/Melodic era, which was INCREDIBLE. For me S tiers are, 2nd Wave 88-93 ( Morbid, Bathory, Darkthrone) Melodic Black 93 - 97 (Dissection, Vinterland, Keep of Kalessin, Windir) Atmospheric Black 93 - 97 (Abigor, Burzum, Blut Aus Nord, Ancient Wisdom)
Hi farvann What about cosmic black metal? Do you like it?
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There is another subgenre of black metal worth mentioned in here - blackened hardcore, sometimes also called as dark hardcore. Bands like Deluge, Oathbraker, Supruga, Volan and so on. Dragged Into Sunlight has nothing from crust BTW :) For Blackened Crush you better go for Iskra and Martyrdod
It's quite fun with the sub-genres because to me for example Darkthrone and Burzum sound nothing like each other but belong to the same sub-genre, and there a lot of the newer bands that sounds basicly the same but is not grouped together, some are atmospheric, some are ambient etc. Call of the Wretched Sea is awesome! Ahab's newest is also very good, but not as good. Cheers!
My band is melodic black death with influence from other genres (namely doom on the first album and thrash on the second album) with raw-ish production. So hard to tell whether Farvann would like it (probably) but as he says, only thing that matters is whether I like it.
I feel like I really found myself when I first discovered blackgaze. It was like my whole personality and feelings were combined into one with the style. I still listen to it, but as I'm getting older and more conservative, I'm mostly at home with 2nd wave BM.
The black metal sub-genres that I mostly listen to are DSBM, second wave, atmospheric, melodic and ambient black metal. My favorite black metal bands are: Aara, Der Weg einer Freiheit, Darkspace, Vardan, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Cold World, Apati and Windir.
Borgne is a brilliant black industrial band. So is Ufferndaith but they/he has only released one EP and that was back in 2020. He plays guitar in some indie rock band now which takes up most his music time.
I'm not super well versed in Black Metal, have only listened to like less than ten bands, buy really enjoyed watching this video Would love to see you do this for my fav metal subgenre: death metal!
That's a great idea! He could rank all 2 of the Death Metal subgenres ('Progressive Death Metal' and 'Death Metal') and the video wouldn't have to take up very much of anyone's time! It could be made AND viewed really quick! Brilliant!
Longtime fan, first time commenter. List made me think of one of the few US-BM bands I like because I've long struggled to give it a subgenre label, mixing raw, thrash, sometimes even hints of melodic and lyrical themes of DSBM here and there. Would love your opinion on the band Saidan if by some satanic boon you read this, especially the songs I am the Witch, She's Buried Under the Cherry Blossoms, Girl Hell 1999, or Shrine of the Black Sword.
S: Black n Roll, Black Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Viking Metal, Ambient Black Metal, Raw Black Metal, Black/Death Metal A: Pagan Black Metal, Black Doom, First Wave Black Metal, Second Wave Black Metal, B: Symphonic Black Metal, Folk Black Metal, NSBM, Progressive Black Metal, War Black Metal, Gothic Black Metal, Epic Black Metal C: Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal, DSBM, F: Avant-Garde Black Metal, Post Black Metal, Blacked Crust, Industrial Black Metal
It's so odd to me when people just ignore Orthodox/Religious Black Metal. Stuff like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, Ascension, Watain, Mephorash, Ofermod, Blaze of Perdition, Nightbringer, etc - it's a very distinct sound with some of the most interesting songwriting, and people just... completely overlook it?
bcuz its a hidden agenda behind those bands. they like to openly admit to being a religious peasants. batushka for example only uses the subject of orthodox religion but religious bm is just cringe and full of hypocrisy and posers
After listening to black metal for about 20 years now, and more recently focusing on "true" (raw, old school, 2nd wave originators, vampyric, etc), I've come to love many of the early demos that I used to think were too raw and primitive to be enjoyable. I love early raw Darkthrone, Beherit, Ildjarn demos now. What releases would you consider to raw to be listenable?
I think Akerocke falls into the Progressive Black Metal category. For Second Wave Black Metal I also have to name drop Setherial, worth checking out. With a band like Mysticum out there, I am surprised why you would hate on industrial black metal, In the Streams of Inferno is a great album.
My issue with all the recognized black metal sub genres is that 80% of them are bullshit. The instrumentation for the same genre can be completely different but because they have the same lyrical themes they’re the same genre while in other cases “different” genres can have the same lyrical and instrument styles but because one is about Vikings and the other is about mysticism or something that they’re two different genres. The consideration for composition often times is thrown out the windows and we delegate way too much on what type of music it is when it’s often times just simply black metal to me, more or less because the nuances are so self-important or contradicting that they become meaningless and bloated. Cool list though. I like your videos a lot.
Black Metal as a genre is oversaturated. To many new bands, newcomers, just a few like a needle in the hay bale may surprise me, even from the US there are a few good ones and old school but overall, to much bullshit, uninteresting and unoriginal stuff, one band copies the other band. Bands copy Finnish bands here and there. I listen to bands from the 90´s , early 2000´s and they all had some real spirit in their music. It´s something, I like to come back from time to time. Today it feels like you have to be the most edgy mf around to be into Black Metal and the music is not even good at all. To much stuff sounds artificial, to sterile.. there is no spirit at all. Especially I mean the edgelords, who think "Satan" is the only thing that is important in the lyrics. Yet, most don´t even know what real Satanism is. It´s not some guys lurking in the woods with candles and singing mantras to Satan. They don´t have a clue what the real inner circles are doing. A reason, why I don´t want even be part of this "Scene". I stopped to care about it, hitting my 30´s now. I am glad, my edgy "TRVE" years are over. Stopped taking everything to serious. I just think, some people in the scene are still stuck in the past and think, they can be real rebels and change the world by bashing against a weakened religion called Christianity. It´s easy to go against a religion, which became weaker and get no response back. Yet, no one talks about Islam in Europe, because there they all are to pussy to do something. Christianity is not a treat now, we have way more serious problems.
haven't been a huge black metal head, but I've always gravitated to band's debut albums because there just more raw. slipknot, slayer, sodom, avenged sevenfold, kreator, all there debuts are just so raw and I love it
There was one industrial Black metal album from 2000 or 2001 that was insanely good called Thorns' self titled. But for the rest never heard other good stuff in that genre.
Thank you for mentioning Thorns. That self-titled album is the perfect example how amazing Industrial Black Metal can actually be. Farvann should rethink his choice, instead of celebrating embarassing Rammstein..
Huh...i figured youd be a fan of raw black metal, weird man still F tier is pretty harsh but hey at least you put industrial black metal as one of your favorites.
For "gothic black metal" id include things like kekt arahk, though i usually call it "romantic" black metal. I know im biased but i cant get enough of kekt arahk
The taake song u were thinking of is Myr It has folk elements with the banjo but I wouldn’t go as far as to call it folk black metal Still traditional black metal haha And yes Viking metal is a black metal subgenre I’m not sure if these bands count but I would say bands that are Viking metal are bands like Falkenbach, King of Asgard, Helheim, ect Btw if you like melodic black metal you should really check out Evil Summons Evil by Deviser, such a good album Love ya farvann stay safe brother 😎🤘🏻
Anyone who listened to Obtained Enslavement is bound to love Symphonic Black Metal. Even if the genre is full of cheesy, effortless bands and albums, "Witchcraft" shows just how much potential Symphonic Black Metal has. No other Extreme Metal genres work with orchestra like Black Metal does.
Hello! I'm in trouble, because I've loved the black metal music and the atmosphere since I was a teenager, but I'm in trouble with the lyrics. I am neither a Satanist (not even a LaVey type) nor a racist, in fact I would be a helpful, empathetic, calm personality (e.g. I never drink alcohol). Obviously, these topics do not apply to all black metal bands, but they are in the majority. For example, a Carpathian Forest or Gorgoroth is not really compatible with my world, but I still love it. How about it? :)
My tierlist would be: S: Viking metal, blackened-folk metal and melodic. (Enslaved, Windir, Finntroll, Moonsorrow, Satangoat/Сатанакозёл, Spectral Wound, Kampfar, Tsaver) A: Atmospheric and modern second wave (Summoning, Falkenbach, Elderwind, Ellende, Eldamar, None, Evilfeast, Wynterfylleth, Batushka) B: Ambient and blackgaze (Lustre, Germ, Alcest) C: Death-black, pagan-metal (worse than folk-black, yes), third wave BM/modern interpretation of BM. Haven't listened to real second wave, principally 😂 The rest of BM styles - not familiar enough to judge.
I love Pagan BM, mainly because I'm a Pagan. My favorite BM is Atmo and DSBM, because of my personality. When my depression gets really bad, I go with the music, allowing the depression and sadness of the music to fill my soul. I don't want to feel lighter and happier. Just darker, heavier and more depressed.
"I made the list, but that was last week" tru words, tru words.. I can't grow out of dsbm, my weights grow heavier with time. In my wasted existence, 😂 🤘💀🔪
