Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Sucks 

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"Dont ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product" Always cracks me up.

“Just because I miss Chadwick doesn’t mean I’m gonna pretend this movie is good” couldn’t have said better myself!

Yeah I agree, just cause Chadwick died, doesn't mean it's instantly a masterpiece.

Namor was so underdeveloped bruh. They tried too hard to make him sympathetic and a cold hearted villain but failed miserably to balance it.

One big plot hole is that there was no armed combat for leadership. Why did no one challenge for the throne after T'Challa passed away? No one challenged the queen? I find that hard to believe, after all the set up for that in the first movie.

Perfectly spoken when said " just because i miss chadwick bosman dosent mean imma pretend this movie this movie is good".

I mean watching this movie it feels really awkward without Chadwick as the lead character. His passing has a huge impact in the real world and in the MCU story. Very unfortunate that this happened

I’m a man on an island as a black person that found it mediocre. Namor just didn’t work for me. I did appreciate them trying something different by making the true antagonist of the movie Shuri’s grieve rather than another character. But I don’t know. Felt like a collection of deleted scenes or something.

Angela Bassett’s back must hurt from carrying this movie.

"Because it's always a brilliant idea to piss someone off then let them regroup" had me creasing

As someone who loves comic Namor and his winged feet, seeing him taking on the Wakandan defenses (should have had a trident, but I’ll take the spear) by himself with his winged feet was awesome. Namor has oscillating chaotically from genocidal to downright goofy for over 80 years and there were moments when I actually felt like I was watching comic book Namor. They were largely CGI driven and the actor made no difference to those moments, but they were still nice

We don't need a new black panther just like we don't need a new iron man. We just need new well written characters, which we are not getting

It’s funny how little I care about the MCU these days. I was a day one watcher with the phase 1-3 but now I haven’t seen an MCU content since halfway through Loki (what ever episode was Loki getting punched in the family jewels repeatedly). I literally jumped ship and haven’t come back and looks like I haven’t missed a thing going by the diminishing returns

Chadwick boseman was an amazing person and actor and this film honoured him perfectly but that can’t overshadow the fact that almost the entire movie was full of bad concepts and writing

You had me laughing every single time you said “Namor”

I still can't get over all the innocent cops th B grade Iron Man torched and nothing was said about it! Smh

A level headed analysis...definitely thought it was just gonna be whining, but you brought really well thought out claims to attention. And actually expressed exactly how I was feeling when I watched this movie. Something was "off": obviously Bosemen's death loomed over the movie, Shuri never felt like a leading lady, the "inciting incident" was a really stupid concept of "killing RiRi cuz she made a thing and people used it", movie relied on grief/death as a motivation for too many characters that it felt bogged down by it...didn't feel like a natural progression and obviously it's not - they really had to overhaul an entire story around Chadwick's passing.

Hype and blind brand loyalty are one hell of a drug.

Many of the problems you raised didn't come to me during my first watching. Unfortunately now anytime I do rewatch it, I will be seeing those issues. The issues I did find while watching was in the geopolitics of the world. 1:France attacking a Wakandan Outreach centre (I could believe this if it was set 100 years earlier during colonial times, but not in 2020s) 2: America almost declaring war on Wakanda because Wakandans 'kidnapped' a US citizen in America, even if it was mcguffin creator. This is just like Namor declaring war on Wakanda because Wakanda didn't give him Riri, even worse I would say. Surely by now the world knows that Wakanda is more than they said, especially intelligence agencies. So why would America declare war. I could imagine a diplomatic crisis, perhaps sanctions. But not some declaration of war. Finally, the plot was a rehash in many ways of the first one. Wakanda dealing with legacy of colonialism by Europeans. Namor and Kilmonger have so many similarities. Both want to wage war on old colonial powers/surface world. Both want Wakanda/main character(Shuri/T'Challa) to join them. Aafter initially watching the movie I rated it about middle of the pack of MCU movies, on par with the first one. But, over time this has dropped slightly.

I SERIOUSLY don't get why it was so imperative that Wakanda pulls a complete 180 on the last film where they would SHARE their technology with the world, but the world has REGRESSED. What the HELL happened? How could losing Shuri and T'Challa to the Snap stop the distribution COLD? They still could have adapted the world in those 5 years but we never saw their technological influence post-Endgame. What gives??

Angela Bassett was basically carrying this movie

They setup Shuri still not being over TChalla's death by comparing it to her more experienced mother in the beginning, she refuses to deal with the grief in stark contrast to her mother. I was really hoping that she goes through some challenge which helps her transition to her acceptance phase of the grief, but this resolution never happened in the movie. They showed her being all "I'm not over his death, I'm just angry and want to kill everyone, you will help me kill!" one minute to suddenly just being like "Okay I've changed my mind! I will show Namor mercy, also now I can accept TChalla's loss" WITHOUT ANY MOTIVATION OR TRANSITION. It. Just. Happened. Out of nowhere! So frustrating, and the biggest reason this movie feels unfinished.

"Trapped in the MCU narrative spinning its wheels unable to move forward" 🎯 Well said

How does five tribes that were at war with each other coming together and agreeing to work together, the same as colonialism? Let's not equate that with what Europeans did in Africa, America, Asia, and Australia.

They should have recast T’Challa because going forward they can’t tell 95% of Black Panther stories and removing the main character just sunk their own franchise. Shuri being Black Panther in the comics was not even long and it was only a plot point to serve T’Challa’s story. Soooooo how are they even gonna continue this franchise???

If Namor won it would have been better.😂😂

Loved Jordan Peterson's input on these critical issues for young men in the audience

This is a pretty good review. But I do think Letitia had to play a pretty big role, she’s no T’challa and that’s obvious . However regarding the circumstance she played the Shuri character well and her taking the mantle didn’t feel forced, rather a natural necessity .

Black Panther was not in the "upper stratosphere" of super heroes until the movie came out and now that Boseman is dead, Black Panther will drop from the "stratosphere" he has reached

Black man here. I saw the movie Saturday with my gf who is a certified normie. She tends to just enjoy the entertainment for what it is and then revisit it later if she still enjoyed it after time has past. She said she liked it and had a tear 4 times( beginning Chadwick tribute, Queen's death, Shuri burning the robe with the Chadwick tribute, and the midcredit scene). Me on the other hand, I thought the tributes were good, and Shuri's attempted "arc" had it's moments. But the whole time I just felt kinda sad. Not at the T'Challa death stuff, but at the seemingly bad writing that resulted in Wakanda feeling empty and weightless. I thought that Angela Bassett was awesome for the most part. She was the only reason I felt some genuine grief and sadness in the meat of the movie. M'baku was a highlight and was underutilized. Namor was..... interesting. Would have preferred him to have better motivations and been a more threatening presence. Even his people felt like cannon fodder, just a bunch of blue people in a fight that overall felt pointless. I'm not even gonna get started on how the representation of black men recently has me worried about kids growing up. This movie just adds to that with the lack of any prominent black men in what feels like the whole nation of Wakanda. TLDR: If I turned my brain off I could enjoy this, but if I think about what goes on for to long I just get depressed at the state of the MCU and Wakanda going forward.

The level of woke in this film deserves its own Oscar

As a Mexican fan of the MCU, I was hyped when they announced their casting for Namor and Namora. I was excited to see what they would do to honor Boseman WHILE making a great movie. But... I walked out of the cinema feeling extremely disappointed. The writing is weird. The dialogues are mostly cringing -especially Namor's, which has me thinking it was not a super bad acting from Tenoch Huerta but a poor script overall. The pacing is hit or miss. The cultural concepts for the 'Mayans' (a representation I'm not that happy about) felt weak. The plot could be fixed in numerous ways, starting with T'Challa's odd death... Black Panther is a faceless superhero, yet they couldn't (or didn't dare?) write a fighting scene that the panther couldn't survive? Not sure what the American custom is for when actors pass, but it seems to me that you also have to respect the actor's legacy: their character.

Namor was dried out like SpongeBob and Patrick in the first SpongeBob movie 😂

I still feel bad about Chadwick he brought a character I never thought we’d see to life. Like was said in this video if you lean to hard one way or the other your screwed. I think they should have waited on this one.

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As much as I enjoyed this film, you bring up some good points. It's by no means a perfect movie, there's a lot to criticize about it. You gave this film a fair chance and focused your criticism on the right things for the most. Good job!

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Don’t forget that Tchalla already had the heart shaped herb power so it makes no sense for Shuri to need to recreate it to heal him. Ugh.

Been saying it a for a while, and as a Hispanic I can see how people who haven't gotten much representation in film who see someone of the same race/ ethnicity in a film can just be happy to have the representation but as a fan I feel like the 2nd matches the rest of the phase bad writing, willingness to take the easy route to appease everyone else except for the people who made these movies possible by buying comics... Great review and video

Was scrolling thru looking for an Easter egg vid on wakanda forever as I like to see if and what I missed, and I saw ur title and decided to give it a watch. I guess I can see what u are speaking about but personally I enjoyed it. Yeh it's got a lot of things going on, that at times makes it a little pandering and disjointed but unlike comics from which all of these movies are ultimately drawn they have to. I have been going to see marvel and DC movies with my son( now 12) for years now and honestly we just go to be entertained and we both thought this movie accomplished that. Obviously not the best product out of the marvel studios but not thor dark world either

Apart from paying respects to an actor, yeah, the movie was subpar at best

Namor was pissed, but he still had his people’s future at heart, without wakanda it would be so much harder to take on the other countries, so he showed mercy by not trying to completely obliterate them, if anything this is could be seen as a character flaw for him as a kind, or the opposite to him as a compassionate human

How is wakanda isolating themselves makes them the Bad guys?! It's their nation, they can isolate as much as they want

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I reckon they should've given Killmonger a story arch that included forgiveness and almost a sort of a "rebirth" as maybe not the King, but as the protector of Wakanda, maybe a promise he could've made to T'Challa after "seeing the light" or something. He would've slot right into an Avengers movie as an angrier, more ruthless Black Panther.

"but I'm not just going to let things slide, that I see with my own two eyes" PERFECT

Im sure every one felt the same way about this shitty movie.. They should have just done a Chadwick Boseman tribute and thats it. Its a hot mess not only that the movie was just horrible

I still think Killmonger was way more relatable than T’Challa. Killmonger had goals that made sense. I still have no idea what T’Challa actually wanted - it seems like he just did things because plot.

They robbed Chadwick's grave to try to make their picture watchable. It didn't work. Nothing interesting happens in Marvel movies any more (not counting Spidey). When was the last time they showed us something worth watching?

This is basically a superhero movie without it's superhero. It's a movie full of secondary characters (on the Black Panther side of the story.. I thought Namor was actually done decently). I just didn't feel a sense of connection nor was I excited when Shuri became a version of Black panther. It was like when Captain America handed his shield to Sam and asked him how it felt..and Sam said "like it belongs to someone else". I didn't buy Shuri becoming black panther, not one bit... it felt as though she was a secondary character that was borrowing the suit. It also felt rushed, when it didn't have to be.. I understand that because Chadwick passed away, they had to figure out a replacement. But I honestly think recasting black panther would have been the better move. Something Chadwick's own family thought was the best course of action.. I saved the best for last (sarcasm).. Iron heart was the literal definition of a complete non-essential character. She did NOTHING to help move along the story. The only reason she was even in the movie was to introduce her for her Disney plus series coming up. But even so, the writing for this character was horrible at best. And now I have no interest whatsoever in watching that series when it hits D-plus

It really mattered to those people because they were brainwashed to believe it really mattered. The power of advertising. They’ve been seeing their own skin color on screen first as long as there’s been a screen practically

Black Panther was not an A-List until Chadwick played him. The Marvel machine made him one.

Thanks for reminding me Shehulk stellar writting of "Im not going to become a superhero that.. is for narcissist." Im going to use it to gain fame and prove how much better I am to everyone like any humble well adjusted individual would do (not).

Thank youuuu!! Someone has his mind in the right place! Could you do mcu spider-man movies next?

The MCU really has become a burnout at this point; foot flat down, wheels screeching, going absolutely nowhere.

When I saw this movie, I saw at least 4 people walk out mid way and not come back. I also had 5 seats booked next to me in my row and no one showed to sit there.

Congratz on the raid sponsorship. Happy to see you managed to protect your harmless video from a senseless demonetization this time, and probably got extra bucks from the raid sponsor. keep up the great work

The original script was supposed to be about a father and son relationship between BP and his child.

Every time I hear “vibranium detector,” I laugh uncontrollably. Now I am in a concrete 6X6 room wearing a jacket that is straight, with all kinds of cool buckles that make me hug myself. Thanks Marvel !

Do you guys think the MCU will ever reach back the heights it did earlier - with endgame and infinity war?

Ultimately, the thing I will always wonder most is would recasting the T'Challa role brough more people into theatres just out of curiosity of the new casting than playing the "grief card", as it looks like the movie is not gonna come close to the first movie's numbers... But you also have to question the fact that they didn't delay production(or at least not by much) after the lead actor died and they decided not to recast the role, especially since it's not like it's a movie that absolutely had to be in Phase 4...

That moment you said the sponsor got me so good. Nice one.

Imagine they did the same to Batman, Superman, and Spiderman where the actor who was currently playing them died and then they decided to do the samething by killing off Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, and Peter Parker and replaced them with someone who we don't care about.

Excellent show. Sad mcu is not writing good stories now. Bosman loss is felt in this can't replace him.

I appreciate the hard work everyone has put including you Cynic. Peace out.

I absolutely loved the movie. All the marvel movies this year didnt impress me at all. But in this movie I again felt something and it reminded me why I used to love Marvel

Iron heart saying she built a car at six years old made me quit watching MCU.

Like even in the comic books you could not replace Black panther t'challa for long what was it like five issues where they had his sister as Black panther and then they brought him back? And Chadwick boseman's death was unforeseen and unfortunate they had no plans for replacements for him in the works you can see that plain as day I haven't even watched the movie but I already can guess how the movie is going to be because one you do not have Chadwick in it which is depressing two you can just look at the last 3 years of movies and guess how it's going to go.

"the social engineering is strong in this one" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

No one can control Chadwick dying but seeing a character debut in a movie just to be replaced in the literal sequel is insulting. I’d of even preferred if they did what they were going to and made the ally guy from the first take the mantle.

2:13 no way that’s in the real movie

Ill admit, the bracelet is a macguffin because i cant think of any way the plot would be changed if it was replaced, butttttt its kind of poetic for the movie dont you think ? What the antagonist gave to the protagonist to show alliance, the protagonist used to gain the power she needed to defeat said antagonist😱but also it could be seen as poetic in the sense that if namkr hadnt given that to shuri, she would have never gotten the power to defeat namor, and form an alliance, and wakanda wouldve been destroyed

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Personally, I hate the idea of them killing T’Challa off the way they did. He should have gone out heroically saving someone. They could have even pulled off a Paul Walker-esque CGI moment to give him one final moment in a farewell video or something.

T'challa did not die in the comics, he stepped down from being the king of Wakanda.

I was holding my head for half of the movie. It is not as bad as some people say, but it is definitely not as good as some are saying it.

How shuri survived n went on to fight after getting stabbed through the stomach still amazes me

The amount of refunds we had to process because of this movie was insane, no other movie has come close.

Just noticing that they disregard all the characters from the Avengers just makes me cry. This woke generation destroyed Marvel. Maybe I'll watch this but I am strongly hesitant

I think the best part about this is the people in the comments are coping so much despite the fact he isn’t even saying it’s a horrible movie. He even said it’s one of the better newer MCU movies. The movie itself was a disappointment that didn’t even know what it wanted to do and let’s be honest we expected it, the movie has had several rewrites due to sad the loss of Chadwick.

Balckpanther should have been re casted. I couldnt ignore the feeling that something major was missing during the entire movie

Thank you as a WOC I loved your no nonsense, perfectly logical take on this….even how you critique smth you’re respectful which is scarce on the internet these days 😂

Confirmation of my decision to stop paying for Disney products. This was the final nail in the coffin. Awful from start to finish. Even the soundtrack sucks.

I’ve never fallen asleep during a marvel movie before now. I don’t think I’ve ever been so bored

Great review man, and you’re not gonna catch any flack from me. This movie was bad imo. The writing was just…no. I have to disagree with you about something you said though: they tried to “honor” Chadwick Boseman, but they dishonored T’Challa. They basically said that he died because he refused to ask for help about his illness (alluding to how Boseman hadn’t really told anyone about his cancer). Couldn’t help reading between the lines about that. Or maybe that’s just me. Also, T’Challa was superhuman, with a healing factor, and the head of the most technologically advanced nation on the planet. In the previous movie, Ross was fatally shot, and they completely healed him OVERNIGHT. They cryogenically froze Bucky for an unspecified amount of time in order to de program him. And, let’s not forget that T’Challa had made allies/friends with geniuses, gods , and reality warpers. One of which is an actual DOCTOR. Couldn’t call that guy to help your brother/king? And how come no Avengers were at the funeral?? This movie was meant to show that Wakanda, Marvel and the world doesn’t necessarily need T’Challa. Yeah, fine, we’ll give you a Black Panther, here you go, his sister Shuri. Who, like you said, looked absolutely ridiculous in that outfit. It was a mess. Honestly, this wasn’t a Black Panther movie. This wasn’t even a Wakanda movie; considering how weak Wakanda looked. They had no military, and they were completely whooped by pretty much the Pandorans from Avatar. This is the military that held the line against Thanos and his horde of monsters, aliens and the Black Order? The bulk of earth’s defense was the Wakandan army. Where were those amazing warriors? And they were beaten by an army that hasn’t had to fight a major battle since the days of the conquistadors. Make that make sense. I disliked this movie. It shouldn’t have been made. Coogler should’ve stepped down like Zach Snyder, shelved it for a couple more years, and recast the role. Instead, we got this mess of a film. What a way to end phase 4, and to muck up one of the greatest Black superhero’s legacy’s.

I can’t even lie there’s some serious nit picking in this video 😂

I recently discovered your channel, and man, your edits and jokes are so good. Not only do you make good points, but you make me laugh while doing it. I can't wait to dive deeper into the log of your videos. Keep up the awesome work!

Interested on your take regarding the first Black Panther movie. Have you seen the recent video by F.D. Signifier about Black Panther? It was a very interesting retrospective to say the least and I at least saw one person the the live chat assume that F.D. was trying to jab at people like MauLer or Critical Drinker (which he wasn't). He's a bit mixed-ish on this movie too, though I think he had a more positive take on it compared to yours

I think this was actually your best video yet! A really balanced, surprisingly fair, articulate, and funny review. You even caught a few issues I didn't because I was focusing on other flaws. More importantly, the review was respectful and also unapologetic in its appreciation for the first Black Panther and this films few positives. That's rare in this divisive time.

I'd to know where that first clip is from. I need to see that insanity in full for myself

How did Riri...ReeRee...Ray Ray... How did NOT Ironman get the money to buy all the parts for her suit? Moreover, where does she get all those super rare metals?

Well...I don't know if you can call it an absolute embarrassment, because it's so boring you fade in and out of who's crying or complaining!

It wasn't a terrible movie, but I could tell it was rushed due to having to stay on schedule despite Bozman's death. I might check out Ant Man 3, but for the most part, I think I'm done with the MCU. Thanks to Disney, it's becoming way too woke for me.

I bet disney was lowkey happy about chadwick so they actually have an excuse to make a female black panther

Imagine Shuri, after making Namor yield and see the error of his ways, dying from the stabwound. Not only that, when Namor attacks Wakanda, he doesn`t just level a small shore but comepletely annihilates a large portion of the city. With this the Queen is dead, Wakanda has made huge urban and (in the final battle) military losses and with Shuri lost its new protector. Wakanda is more vulnerable then ever and is not able to properly defend itself against the world anymore, which is closing in further on the country, for the Vibranium. This could be a huge setup for the future and would give the title of the movie `Wakanda forever`a whole new meaning. The country is crumbling fast, but the remnant people are holding Wakanda `alive in their hearts`, bringing back a line from another movie we know: "Home is not a place, it`s the people."

Those jordan peterson bits had me in tears man

14:35 ok but T'challa survived this without his powers during the fight with m'baku in the first movie, so ig the panther family is really resistant to spears, which is as consistent as this movie gets to the first one

We loved you Chadwick. Rest in peace.