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Black Swan - What it all Meant 

What it all Meant
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A thematic analysis of Black Swan. If you have a question please ask below and I will get back to you as soon as possible. If you disagree with my interpretation please be polite and state your case with examples. This is a learning experience for everyone and I am happy to be proven incorrect if that be the case. Thank you!
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@leooel2284
@leooel2284 6 лет назад
I don’t know why, but many people don’t talk about the symbolism of the swan. Swans irl, when they die they sing their last song which is considered perfection and Nina when she dances out her her role she then says I’m perfect and dies.
@viaciel
@viaciel 4 года назад
swan song
@ShootMeMovieReviews
@ShootMeMovieReviews 4 года назад
My own review does touch on this idea - that perfection in art can only be achieved through suffering. Please have a look: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ObJW4kTcOFw.html
@meganmcleod6152
@meganmcleod6152 4 года назад
She does.
@leooel2284
@leooel2284 4 года назад
Megan Mcleod when
@meganmcleod6152
@meganmcleod6152 4 года назад
leo oel I meant she does as in “die”
@emwrsk
@emwrsk 3 года назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="206">3:26</a> This part really struck a chord with me because I never noticed it before. The broken ballerina figure on the music box is still performing, fulfilling its intended purpose, even though it is damaged beyond recognition.
@AstriMaulidina
@AstriMaulidina Год назад
lmao i thought it was a swan head
@emailaccount-t4k
@emailaccount-t4k Год назад
@@AstriMaulidina Good Catch!
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894 8 лет назад
Natalie Portman best acting ever.She frightened and utterly captivated me.All her other roles pale in comparison. She must have been mentally and psychologically drained after this film. It was a masterpiece of acting by her.
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894 8 лет назад
Yeah I know, just giving a voice out to my tots😊
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894 8 лет назад
I don't get you,sorry
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894
@halimaabdulkarimhalliru2894 8 лет назад
what ever makes you happy
@maroonhamsa707
@maroonhamsa707 7 лет назад
She became depressed and quite acting for the 3 following years. At least that's what I read.
@ReneeTopanga
@ReneeTopanga 7 лет назад
MAROON HAMSA no she was just pregnant and was raising her baby lol
@marichristian1072
@marichristian1072 6 лет назад
Nina's mother is mentally, not sexually abusive; she's repressive and wants Nina to remain a pure innocent child because the mother had to give up her chance at stardom when she became pregnant with Nina. Sexuality to the mother represents the end of childhood dreams. Mother and M. Leroy represent opposite ends of the sexual spectrum between which Nina is torn and fractured.
@nomad_naari2329
@nomad_naari2329 5 лет назад
Now this is what I can agree and searching for
@aaAa-bp1yd
@aaAa-bp1yd 4 года назад
Yeah, I'm kinda confused. She obviously wants Nina to remain pure, but if she was sexually abusive, then it would take away Nina's innocence.
@angelskins
@angelskins 3 года назад
I can't stand people labelling everything as sexual abuse
@sreelakshmi_viswam
@sreelakshmi_viswam 3 года назад
@@jellocat4100 i think this isn't sexual abuse her mother is controlling and infantalizing which is a form of abuse. don't ask me how i know this.
@linesyverinsen9215
@linesyverinsen9215 3 года назад
Great insight
@rumshutt3r
@rumshutt3r 8 лет назад
I remember seeing the trailer for Black Swan when i was like 11 and thinking it was about demons.
@sunshinelola1235
@sunshinelola1235 8 лет назад
same girl, same
@Calliefornia923
@Calliefornia923 8 лет назад
It is in a way! It's about our inner demons :) the ones we repress and then are eventually unable to control
@rumshutt3r
@rumshutt3r 8 лет назад
sunshine lola I'm a guy but call me whatever u feel like lmao.
@rumshutt3r
@rumshutt3r 8 лет назад
Callie Rae ya totally totally agree with you there :)
@sunshinelola1235
@sunshinelola1235 8 лет назад
+Sam Adolph *dude :)
@dinacondeluci2033
@dinacondeluci2033 9 лет назад
Coming from a ballet dancer, this explanation makes so much sense. As a girl, usually the first activity you get signed up for is ballet. Most girls move on to sports or other things but when you keep dancing it's like you keep that innocence from childhood. I find that I relate to Nina's character a lot.
@Bernihurton_x
@Bernihurton_x 8 лет назад
I agree - I would still be dancing if I hadn't had to take time off for injury. If I had done a little more in that time off, I would probably still be training. My teachers always told me I was amazing, my line and turnout was perfect and I had a great performing personality.
@Swaggerpede
@Swaggerpede 8 лет назад
+girlytalk64 ok lol
@5050TM
@5050TM 7 лет назад
girlytalk64 You can start dancing again at any age.
@stinkeroosie1743
@stinkeroosie1743 4 года назад
@@Bernihurton_x agreeeeed
@Amybozhemoi
@Amybozhemoi 4 года назад
yea. Basically every girl starts ballet young. In ballet you are taught to be "proper" and good. And i think i can agree with the fact that you keep that innocence. I'm also a ballet dancer, we are "told" to be "perfect" but especially in ballet, there are set rules that you _must_ follow. Ballet has a image of "perfection" , purity, grace . Compared to hip hop, which is associated with freedom, empowerment, etc. i think any dancer can , unfortunately relate to Nina's character to some degree. [this paragraph probably doesnt make sense, but idgaf]
@JenzJoe
@JenzJoe 8 лет назад
That movie creeped me out.
@natamaral141
@natamaral141 7 лет назад
Jennifer Adams Franklin Me too.
@jesussavedme4975
@jesussavedme4975 6 лет назад
I thought I was the only one. I'd look in the mirror twice to see if my reflection moved, took me a while to get over it
@karenalejandra3580
@karenalejandra3580 5 лет назад
That movie actually made me laugh, cry, feel super anxious, angry it was all so weird but strong i freaking love this movie
@multifandomwantstochill
@multifandomwantstochill 5 лет назад
@@karenalejandra3580 me
@thakiddv2
@thakiddv2 5 лет назад
Strange movie
@lilacosmanthus
@lilacosmanthus 8 лет назад
I basically took it as... "Striving for perfection fucks us up."
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
I would add something about playing to your strengths and not pushing your boundaries fully in an instant, but yeah.
@stealthgeek29
@stealthgeek29 8 лет назад
"So let's all aspire to be average."
@lilacosmanthus
@lilacosmanthus 8 лет назад
stealthgeek29 Better to be average and sane than perfect and inhuman.
@stealthgeek29
@stealthgeek29 8 лет назад
Indigo Osmanthus Too bad history doesn't remember average and sane people.
@lilacosmanthus
@lilacosmanthus 8 лет назад
stealthgeek29 too bad most people couldn't give two shits about history.
@tree7143
@tree7143 8 лет назад
This movie was so depressing. The mother was once a dancer and blamed her unsuccessful life on having her daughter. Also, the mother was using her daughter by trying to live through her. The teacher was using her to perfect his play, of course. Also he was a pervert who should have been exposed and fired. She tried to please them and in the end they broke her, mentally, like how they showed the glass ballerina broken. As a result of her cracking, she took her life, convinced that she is now perfect. The power of intimidating elders that abuse on innocence. This still continues. Like I said, depressing movie.
@freeassange402
@freeassange402 7 лет назад
so true. she had no one by her side ....who could help her ...and be to her normal ...she just was surrounded by people who used her and controlled her. but at the same time i think the teacher helped her so be stronger and to get feelings .....
@kylewhitehead1684
@kylewhitehead1684 7 лет назад
The only one she might have been able to lean on was Mila Kunis' character but she pushed her away convinced that she too was against. I think the result would have been tragic regardless, however. She wasn't strong enough to handle things. If you are not in touch with your darkness and are convinced that you are harmless in every way you are just a ticking time bomb. Her only concern was her art and she didn't know herself and hadn't become a part of the world thanks to her mother. The unknown devoured her.
@Luna_Anonymous
@Luna_Anonymous 6 лет назад
Her mother was using her? But wasn't dancing nina's passion?
@Cyba_IT
@Cyba_IT 5 лет назад
Good summation ;)
@roddo1955
@roddo1955 5 лет назад
I think Nina blamed her mother unfairly. She made it about jealousy in her head. Her mother was frustrated with her daughter, trying her best to to behave in a manner that was supportive but also protective. And Nina needed protection. Nina resented it and constantly, needled her mother with snippy remarks and denying the cake and ultimately flat out saying:"What career?" That pushed her mother to clap back with:" the career I gave up for you". This was no slight. Her mother loves her, no matter what. But Nina took it as a slight rather than admitting she was wrong and say 'sorry'. Nina would not be a dancer if her mother had not been there for her.
@squeaksvolumes
@squeaksvolumes 8 лет назад
I'm still seeing people confused, so I'll try to sum the movie up more! The movie is literally about mental illness and being obsessed with perfection. Nina does not actually have a twin; it's all in her head. She became so wrapped up and obsessed with being perfect and jealous over Mila's character's ability to let loose and be passionate as she dances (while Nina herself is very uptight and controlled) that she grew threatened. The encounter in the dressing room? Nina was alone. She was literally battling herself and her own insecurity/worry of being replaced in the Black Swam role/bested, that she raged, fought herself and literally ended up killing herself by mistake. Finally letting herself explore her own being a bit more (built-up sexual tension, social events, etc in hopes to let loose and play a better Black Swan) and letting the paranoia of being replaced by Mila led her to kind of become this "Black Swan" character mentally: a new, messed up version of herself because it was too much at once. Sadly, it was her paranoia and obsession with perfection that ended her. Hope this helps!
@beatriceprice849
@beatriceprice849 6 лет назад
So she does die?
@CoReaderz
@CoReaderz 6 лет назад
Beatrice Price not necessary. depends on how you see it and what you think about it.
@katc2040
@katc2040 6 лет назад
Merci Beaucoup no she doesn’t die. It’s an ambious ending for a reason
@ruthruthie2931
@ruthruthie2931 5 лет назад
Nikki Mouse you’re missing the sub plot.
@roddo1955
@roddo1955 5 лет назад
It's a movie. A work of art. Open to interpretation. So you are right if you want.
@usagi18
@usagi18 8 лет назад
This is one of my favorite movies, and it is probably because I got the message the first time I watched it. Unfortunately, had to really learn the message later on the hard way. We all have our "black swan", and trying hold it all the time will kick you in the ass later on, the key is to let them both live in a good balance.
@usagi18
@usagi18 8 лет назад
+elena mitropoulou skip a class, break your diet on a weekday, get out early from work to get ready for a date and make out with him if it feels right, say "no" if people ask you to do something you don't want to, buy the expensive shoes even if it means living on instant noodles for a month. Being &quot;bad&quot; once in a while (carefully of course, without harming anyone or yourself) is good in the long run.
@usagi18
@usagi18 8 лет назад
elena mitropoulou Exactly... let the black swan play ;)
@theriffwriter2194
@theriffwriter2194 8 лет назад
When I was nine. I was with my parents, waiting for a prescription to be filled. We went to a book store to kill time where they told me to pick any book I wanted. The book I decided on was a pictorial history of witchcraft, Satanism and demonnology throughout the ages. Neither me nore my parents found this to be strange. To some; finding our dark side comes very natural. Embracing love and my light-hearted affections is what took some practice and learning.
@usagi18
@usagi18 8 лет назад
John Milton Well, you let the white swan be, hehe
@lakehouse8210
@lakehouse8210 8 лет назад
Reading your comment now, I feel like looking in the mirror.
@Anthecstiecsaf
@Anthecstiecsaf 8 лет назад
I don't think there is much to look into this movie when you know about ballet. This is about the behind the scenes of something that society perceives as perfection, which is ballet. It's something that happens in this world, the child like way of being, that and the whole aura of it, eating disorders, rape, the act pf doing anything for a role. This is stuff that happens. But The Swan Lake is such of a different ballet. It is not innocent, it isn't about a princess, or a doll that comes to life, it is about jealously and greed, it's definitely the darkest ballet. And in this movie Nina has to become a different dancer, this one is not about perfection alone, it's also about expression, which she hadn't explored before. That's what this movie is about, a girl who had been so worried about being "perfect" her whole life that she forgot how to feel, and she needs to get there so fast that it crashes her.
@Nonni655321
@Nonni655321 8 лет назад
As a prima Donna at the opera house I also found this movie quite literal. The artist is no more than an object of trained flexibility and the concept of freedom both artistic and personal is only an illusion.
@nezisgarden
@nezisgarden 8 лет назад
i need to hear that
@091mmm
@091mmm 8 лет назад
Amalia Flores bravo you got it 👌🏼👌🏼
@davidapaul4433
@davidapaul4433 8 лет назад
Amalia Flores Thank U for BREAKING that down & making it REAL simple b'cuz as far as the movie is concerned ALL FOLKS see is NATALIE PORTMAN! but the BLACK swan to me represents a SACRIFICE to the discipline of BEING a top-notch ballerina. PEACE &♡ 2U & ALL 2day #MESSENGER #Lifelessons #REALTALK #STAND #JESUSAVES
@pastelhotmess9299
@pastelhotmess9299 8 лет назад
Amalia Flores so deep.
@omdathetleukis
@omdathetleukis 7 лет назад
I think it goes way deeper. A few years ago, I read an analysis of a woman that had been sexually abused by her mother. She recognised a lot of it in the movie. And when I watched it again yesterday, it really made sense and it explaines a lot: There are a lot of hints in the movie. Like how the mother takes off her clothes, and in one scene she even asks "honey, are you ready for me?" In another scene, the girl is hiding a wooden stick in her bedroom, maybe she wants to kill her mother when it happens again? When she's having sex with the other dancer, her face changes into her mothers face and she is shocked. Also when she's touching herslelf and when she is in bath, she sees her mother and it scares her a lot. The mother is a very ill character, every time the girl isn't doing exactly what she wants, she's getting angry. And she's jealous when she's going out with people of her own age, when she's feeling love for somebody and when everybody's watches her being the pretty swan. She's always trying to keep the girl small and right by her side, acting like she's the one who's always there for her and cares for her. But it's not unconditionally like mothers love should be. It also explaines why the girl acts like she does. After a long day, when she needs to rest, she's staying in the studio to practice more and more. She's so obsessed with being perfect because it's her way of dealing with the situation. When she's dancing, she doesn't have to think about the sexual abuse and her mother. And it all works, untill she has to let the darkside in, which she has pushed away for many years. She can't seduce because she has experienced sexuality in a total different way. I think that's why she is crying in the studio when Lily comes in. But she's keeping her secret to herself. She actually needs to talk and get psychological help. But instead, no one knows about it and she's facing her problems under very stressfull conditions where she also has to perform. That's the point where her mental illness gets to the next level and she starts to think everybody is against her, while it's actually just herself.
@kathpaliarashi
@kathpaliarashi 6 лет назад
this actually makes a lot of sense as in her mother's room there were so many paintings and drawings of nina... like that is twisted
@natashahowes4360
@natashahowes4360 6 лет назад
very cool and chilling analysis for a haunting movie! Lots to think about... My English professors would have loved this sort of analysis, you probably would have gotteb an A lol.
@JuliieRosees
@JuliieRosees 6 лет назад
very interesting analysis but just a correction: when Nina is having sex with the other girl, her face turns to her own (nina) and not her mother's.
@deniserodriguez3233
@deniserodriguez3233 5 лет назад
Oh my gosh. That is so crazy’
@nessarolla
@nessarolla 5 лет назад
Wow this is a good explanation! When I saw this movie I didn't really put much thought into it but these types of analysis make the movie so much more interesting. :)
@som.2354
@som.2354 8 лет назад
About the "Loving and oppressive mother" part, when the mother throws the cake in the bin, she's upset that her daughter (who puts ballet in front of anything pleasure related if it comes in the way of perfect fitness, and maybe suffers from a form of anorexia: barely touching food + vomiting) refused to eat the cake, yes, but first and foremost, her mother was also jealous: both putting what she expected for herself and could never achieve on the shoulders of her daughter, and not liking it and acting jealous if her daughter did more than she ever did. I found that this was quite present during all of the movie, showing up from the cake scene until the end. Her mother loves her that way yes, but she's unwell... Nina lived through her expectations and sickening regrets.
@Limerick502
@Limerick502 8 лет назад
Solene R. This is the core of the film to me. You expressed it so well!
@merry9928
@merry9928 8 лет назад
It's actually called bulimia when you vomit up your food.
@titalfie
@titalfie 7 лет назад
No it's more complex than that. Anorexia= starvation Bulimia= BINGE+purging You can be both, and both involve throwing up for most people at some point. Nina is not much interested in food , throws up sometimes but doesn't binge. She's closer to anorexia, not bulimia.
@xxcolor-my-se4xx361
@xxcolor-my-se4xx361 6 лет назад
I just thought she wanted to keep her body looking perfect for ballet and choose not to eat because she thought she could gain weight as if a piece of cake will make her gain 20 pounds overnight.
@MariaEduarda-uc6gt
@MariaEduarda-uc6gt 6 лет назад
So M. Her mother is legit insane
@mycholeprice9636
@mycholeprice9636 8 лет назад
I thought it was beautiful. She was void of any kind of experience and her being caged physically and emotionally/sexually, her darkness boiled. Her mother said the scratching happened before and the more she scratched the further we saw the darkness leak it's way out. So that dark part of her, the primal, erotic and passionate side was a benefit to her. However, like you said, it came out rapidly and it wasn't healthy since she didn't know how to manage it. She was going through a radial state of individuation and it was fated for her to either destroy herself or merge.
@jaicabardo4357
@jaicabardo4357 4 года назад
is this related to the integration of the shadow that's talked about by carl jung?
@Kareena1988
@Kareena1988 4 года назад
Best comment ever...im at that stage also...either become an adult or get destroyed...no more running from the truth
@Aivottaja
@Aivottaja 9 лет назад
Is it any wonder she started experiencing schizophrenia with that lecherous dance instructor who was so very full of shit and groping her, living with a control freak mother who tried to live her never-was-career through her daughter and the pressure of being a star?
@supernova4460
@supernova4460 8 лет назад
+Joseph Irizarry It's usually caused by trauma, though.
@Aivottaja
@Aivottaja 8 лет назад
Joseph Irizarry I didn't say it's an attitude. But there are factors that can trigger it.
@MissMiserize
@MissMiserize 8 лет назад
+Joseph Irizarry Stress is clearly a trigger for certain mental illnesses, including schizophrenia. For example, I didn't have a shred of OCD until after a felt so stressed to be perfect I would rather die than fail. Well, I couldn't carry on with the suicide attempt, but *BAM* I immediately got symptoms of several anxiety disorders that took years to fix. Mental illness(in a simplistic view)is something you are born with that just needs to be 'switched on.'
@Swaggerpede
@Swaggerpede 8 лет назад
+Joe A. Average could easily be the age range of nina
@disasterbi8610
@disasterbi8610 8 лет назад
+Aivottaja I had wondered myself if Nina had a pre-existing disorder (like schizophrenia), or was pushed toward a psychotic break. I think that was meant to be ambiguous.
@sashadavisson6620
@sashadavisson6620 8 лет назад
Good analysis! The story explores Nina’s metamorphosis from a sweet, shy girl (White Swan) to a possessed, thrilling superstar (Black Swan). In playing the Black Swan she was overpowered by the "destructive force", and became a different person. She freed herself by dying. I liked how the director used mirrors to show Nina’s altered perception of reality. Nina's story suggests that living a balanced life is to find harmony between our good side and our bad.
@sashadavisson6620
@sashadavisson6620 7 лет назад
Anytime ...
@yeah280
@yeah280 6 лет назад
Wow. That’s a good perception.
@alankarjoey258
@alankarjoey258 7 лет назад
The nail breaking moment is haunting me, the sound of it
@minervaloves
@minervaloves 8 лет назад
Now I want to watch this movie again
@iamlena
@iamlena 8 лет назад
then watch it lol
@minervaloves
@minervaloves 7 лет назад
Léna Bnr Will do LOL
@schindler161
@schindler161 6 лет назад
Lol, once was more than I can handle. It was creepy and horrifying in some scenes.
@gianlucagiordimaina8794
@gianlucagiordimaina8794 9 лет назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="246">4:06</a> That shot freaks me out every time
@ichihimefan91
@ichihimefan91 8 лет назад
I know right
@princessdeedee7430
@princessdeedee7430 7 лет назад
I feel this movie is a beautiful depiction of the emotional and psychological stress that unravels from a person who has no sense of self but has to conform to unachievable perfection. The evolution of the black swan at the demise of the white swan is a running theme in many aspects of contemporary life. To achieve excellence in any art form will always make you balance precariously on the beam of insanity. To find yourself you need to realise you are lost. I adore how the binary polar opposites are contrasted but then are meshed in a linear fashion to leave us in a state that questions our own reality. This movie is an epic master piece!!!!!!
@karlaanyayahan4757
@karlaanyayahan4757 4 года назад
PRINCESS DeeDee yes
@justateenager3181
@justateenager3181 3 года назад
dude is that your real face or you just sarcastically put it
@theriffwriter2194
@theriffwriter2194 8 лет назад
Great analysis, but your delivery's a bit dry.
@lolaa9214
@lolaa9214 8 лет назад
yes agreed.
@nubesloc4s
@nubesloc4s 6 лет назад
Dry?
@gachavbassie7123
@gachavbassie7123 6 лет назад
Doapsique Gaming yeah
@francewanderer2179
@francewanderer2179 6 лет назад
How do you deliver enthusiasm for a psychological analysis.
@zahrazaza3220
@zahrazaza3220 5 лет назад
I agree especially the thank you at the end
@Lilypale
@Lilypale 8 лет назад
I saw a lot of similarities between this movie and whiplash. Both are about talented young people wanting to become the epitome of their art form, and their respective movies showcase how far they will mentally and emotionally abuse themselves and what they will sacrifice to achieve that. In the case of whiplash, Miles Teller's character(can't remember name) becomes a great drummer, but in doing so sabotages a relationship with a girl and its hinted that he turns his back on his family, becoming that broke, addicted musician who died young but is still talked about at dinner parties. In Nina's case, she literally gives up her life and her sanity, but in doing so captured the kind of both emotional chaos and technical perfection that made her swan queen immortal.
@truthhurts6048
@truthhurts6048 8 лет назад
i think this movie explains a lot about Insecurity..comparing yourself to others and desperation for perfection..it is all about the desire to impress people rather than yourself..perfect does not exists in real life so the lesson for this movie is just to be yourself..and the only thing you should compare yourself to is the person you were yesterday...
@sirens4680
@sirens4680 8 лет назад
I'm not very emotional, but invariably cry when I watch the ending. It's the saddest, yet most beautiful thing in the world. Natalie Portman truly deserved that oscar.
@rachaelmarie8622
@rachaelmarie8622 8 лет назад
Wow. I played with my darkness from such a young age and didn't even realize it till I got older and knew something was wrong and chose to be good after a very hard battle that almost killed me. This is so perfect explaining the evil in one. I think we all have evil in us and we fight it everyday without realizing and it's so important to realize and seek out the goodness of the world to overcome the evil.
@hippiechic6772
@hippiechic6772 8 лет назад
@ Rachael.... I could not agree with you more .
@aveswithnowings1339
@aveswithnowings1339 6 лет назад
Rachael Marie good and evil go hand in hand
@everythingwillbe6904
@everythingwillbe6904 3 года назад
We need both evil and good When we abandon one aspect of ourselves, it becomes subconscious (shadow work). It never leaves because it can't, it's a part of us that we have to accept and love and understand why it's there. The movie showed us what happens to people who never embrace their darker qualities- (it also represents adulthood) they're stuck in childhood and get taken advantage of by predators (joker 2 also shows this) Darkness is NECESSARY, a lot of people just don't know how to use it for the good, so they mistake it for evil
@rallitas11q
@rallitas11q 9 месяцев назад
​@everythingwillbe6904 and who owns the movie industry? No scratch that, the entertainment industry? Are they people who want the best for you? This whole world is about good vs evil. Don't let them fool you. Good and evil cannot go hand in hand. Either you are hot or you are cold but you cannot be lukewarm. It says so in the Bible. I was lost years ago thinking that we could be both but no. You have to leave one and choose the other. Every day you have to choose good over evil because that's the right thing. People in power in the entertainment industry work for evil and they want people to think you can be both which is the biggest lie ever. I read this book once that talked about how you could be both and was basically saying you could kill for the right reasons and the book was recommended by popular people in the entertainment industry. I won't say who but the same book was recommended by an old time band too from the 60s. It's all the illuminati. Besides, even with that logic if you analyze the movie, you saw that her poor choices lead to her downward spiral. Working too hard isn't the same as being good. So like the Bible says, there is a time for everything. I time to rest and a time to work. So don't work yourself to the brink of destruction is what I actually take from this movie and how I see it. *edit* but I agree with your last statement. We cant be naive and taken advantage of and being firm and standing up for yourself isn't "evil" so yeah balance to everything. :) Kind but astute.
@vimtocat1741
@vimtocat1741 6 лет назад
One of the details I really like is her choice of colour in clothes She starts off wearing whites and pinks symbolism for her innocence and purity and isolated herself in this sugar coated world with what at first appears to be a long seated duration most likely since toddler age Middle of the film she starts wearing grey which could mean that while Nina's had a few encounters with her "shadow self" she's still trying to retain herself because she's had no guidance or knowledge on how to deal with "her" so she tries to repress it but her world is comprised at this point because she's aware of what she's trying to bury Interestingly enough the only time she wears black if I remember right is when she's at the club with Lily wearing a black top over white which could mean she's being consumed by her inner desires and her shadow self is taking dominance but she then goes back to grey out of shame and fear of what her true unrepressed self is capable of and then there's the white swan dance near the end where she falls and messes up due to the male dancer dropping her this could mean that now that she's not only aware of her shadow self but also let her out by drugs clubbing and hurting her mother after she asks "what happened to my sweet girl huh" only for Nina to reply "SHE'S GONE" she can't ever go back to that innocence which could further be taken to the atmosphere that her wearing white once again doesn't feel appropriate for her no more it could also be a metaphor for her "fall from grace" but the black swan dance feels powerful creepy and alluring only to return to her white swan persona and find out she's fatally wounded that could mean either her innocence that was "holding her back" is dead and fully gone or it could mean that all her efforts at repressing her twin led to her peak of self destruction
@coletivating
@coletivating 5 лет назад
Nina in Spanish means “little girl”
@tanyastewart3451
@tanyastewart3451 4 года назад
Sì, correcto
@jacintareyes8855
@jacintareyes8855 4 года назад
@@tanyastewart3451 no... niña no nina
@bell_u.sanchezh
@bell_u.sanchezh 4 года назад
Lol no it doesn't
@coletivating
@coletivating 4 года назад
belle s www.spanishdict.com/translate/ni%C3%B1a then scroll down you will see “little girl “ always google before you commit your self publicly. Have a good day
@coletivating
@coletivating 4 года назад
Azra Su Akbaş it’s too much of a coincidence to be non intentional. Read the writers social commentary and you will see he intended this. Thank you
@doriviere
@doriviere 4 года назад
I love how thanks to BTS, I get interested to Carl Jung's theories, Black Swan, the Greek gods, the existence of oneself with its multiple faces...
@calicocatmoonlight2811
@calicocatmoonlight2811 4 года назад
literally same
@amyoh2037
@amyoh2037 4 года назад
SAME
@maryamwael5870
@maryamwael5870 4 года назад
same here
@jungchan9129
@jungchan9129 4 года назад
like seriously!!!! this movie is fire!!!!
@christianchimmyarmy5843
@christianchimmyarmy5843 4 года назад
I'm from Greece but... Same(for the rest)
@erinpicken6435
@erinpicken6435 5 лет назад
As a ballerina, I see this as an overworked woman’s descent into madness. She works so hard to be perfect that she cannot possibly be truly happy. She cannot ever be happy with who she is, because she always wants more. As Odette, she is her real self, as a virginal, innocent person, with to much want for control. As Odile, she sees a dark side that she never allowed herself to confront. She buckles under the pressure. Edit: I love the idea of a twin because that is what swan lake represents to me. She doesn’t truly know herself.
@Evija3000
@Evija3000 6 лет назад
One can find a lot of parallels between the movie and the story of the ballet. Through upbringing or abuse (or both) Nina was cursed by her mother/the wizard to be the white swan - this gracious, soft, delicate, overly innocent creature. But she's not really free, she's caged in this persona, she craves for something more, to be perfect, she calls it, same as the White Swan craves to be princess again. For both of them it means to be free from the curse of being the white swan (although Nina doesn't quite see the full picture, the curse and the need to break free from it in the beginning). Only true love could turn her into the princess again, into herself. Considering how Thomas was trying to get her out of that "white swan" shell, how they were attracted to each other and how she wanted for him to call her princess, he's the prince. He was the one who could make her free, make her princess again. At the same time, same as the prince falls for the white swan, but ultimately goes for the black swan, who both look the same, so did Thomas fall for the innocent Nina, but want a passionate/darker Nina. On another level Thomas/the prince chose the Black Swan when he asked Lily to dance, while Nina saw her as her opponent, as the black swan. The black swan wins, just like it does in the story, when Nina stands up to her mother and then when she fully takes on the role of the black swan, "letting go" or "loosing herself" as Thomas put it (aka letting go of the white swan) and becoming free and passionate in her dance. However that's also when her hallucinations get the most powerful. This isn't good for her either. During the evening, she changes between the two swans several times and near the end she's in this frantic dance between the white swans, the prince and the dark wizard, which I think symbolizes how hard this whole thing is for her, the chaos in her mind (as well as being an actual part of the ballet). In the end she stands as the white swan giving a look to her mother and taking the jump. I think the close-up after jumping is very important. After a huge culmination in music and emotions, music disappeared and her face became peaceful, everything even slowed down. I believe that is when she felt perfect. After exchanging the look with her mom that expressed all the pain that was created, maybe forgiving her (we don't exactly know what happened in her mind during that look), after being done with all the chaos in her mind, with the show. She broke the curse, she finally felt perfect, free, just like the white swan became free after jumping. Her becoming free of the curse is also showed by Thomas calling her little princess, the thing White Swan would become when breaking the curse. You could interpret it to mean that she became free because she let go of the white swan part of her nature, because she broke the curse, but I think it's largely about finding a balance. She gave amazing performances as both the black and white swan, she embodied both and her prince loves her as both. Yet at the same time in the ballet the princess suffers from both the White Swan as it's the curse and the Black Swan and as she kills herself she's also freed from both of the swans. And after all her goal wasn't to become the black swan, it was to become herself again, a princess. They were both broken and driven to madness (if suicide is a form of madness) just to be who they are.
@l0s_
@l0s_ 3 года назад
amazing!!
@UBEDebasmitaChowdhury
@UBEDebasmitaChowdhury 3 месяца назад
Loved ur analysis
@farahlahbib2530
@farahlahbib2530 8 лет назад
The director threw out the movie drops hints that Nina was sexually molested by her mother. I also think Nina's psychosis lends itself to this theory. The trauma of being molested by her mother might contribute to the onslaught of her paranoid schizophrenia, and her desire to be perfect and in control of everything. Getting the role of the Black Swan gives Nina the courage to deny her mother's advances for the first time, but it also pressures her to the point of a complete mental breakdown....
@JOVIJOLEE
@JOVIJOLEE 7 лет назад
There was a theory that her mom was sexually abusive towards her.Like the part where her and Mila's character were having oral and she called her "sweet girl," it was actually her mom calling her that, that her mom was actually there not Mila. Well, they broke the whole movie down, but can't remember where I read it. This was a great explanation tho! Because when I first watched Black Swan I didn't understand it
@123ale27
@123ale27 7 лет назад
Actually that's what My dad said, during the movie I was so confuse about that like where did Mila's character go? Nina was dreaming? and then my dad said "it was her mom" I was like O.O what??? noo way, it was so awkward :/ but I still have the doubt
@anaaa8484
@anaaa8484 7 лет назад
JUST ME I don't quite agree! I always believed that Nina just had to let a "darker" --more grown up, according to some people-- person lead her and show her how the black swan should be. so, she chose the other girl (I don't remember her name). I think it's all in Nina's mind, and all about her willingness to be the best. her mum... that would may make sense, but I think we get to see things from Nina's perspective, and not her whole family situation... I don't know if this made any sense to you, I'm not a native speaker of English language.. hopefully you get what I'm trying to say here!!:)
@mariehenderson7625
@mariehenderson7625 6 лет назад
also remember when she sucked the cake off of her mom’s finger?
@Dancestar1981
@Dancestar1981 6 лет назад
JUST ME really I understood first time around just how harrowing it is and why
@miaa1762
@miaa1762 6 лет назад
I remember watching this movie and being so confused and now I'm even more confused...?
@phantomphan5657
@phantomphan5657 8 лет назад
Another thing I observed. If the mirror is a representation of her inner "Dark" self reflected, then her cause of death can be taken as a metaphor, too. She stabs herself with the very object that reflects her dark side. Her innocence dies--her "White Swan." Killed by her own reflection.
@kath692
@kath692 8 лет назад
I've read quite a few points where people believe mother daughter sexual abuse is a huge underlying theme. perhaps it's something you could look into?
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
+Kat H I talk about her effect on Nina's sexuality in the video. If it's caused by her mother keeping sex from Nina or creating a very negative experience, it almost doesn't matter because the outcome i.e. what we see in the film is pretty clear.
@kath692
@kath692 8 лет назад
+What it all Meant well what I mean is her mother sexually abusing Nina. (doing sexual acts with her)
@nightnday6675
@nightnday6675 8 лет назад
+Kat H wow you have a wild imagination
@kath692
@kath692 8 лет назад
+Brandon Kaeo mother daughter sexual abuse is a real thing.
@nightnday6675
@nightnday6675 8 лет назад
The movie shows no abuse from her mother just a sheltered home life. To say sexual abuse from her mother is a far stretch.
@AdditonTV
@AdditonTV 8 лет назад
I allways think the movie is about shizophrenia and multiple personality disorder. Its just obvious.
@farahdiyana38
@farahdiyana38 8 лет назад
agree wih you, it makes it look like stages in paranoid schizophrenia when once pressured to become something that is not her, the pressure makes it more severe
@katrina56677
@katrina56677 8 лет назад
Farah Diyana I'm not a psychologist ar psychiatrist but sounds obviously to me that any mental ilness is when you can matture in a normal way, so yes, of course, once you are pushed some disorders shows up
@witchf4ce310
@witchf4ce310 8 лет назад
Additon it is
@michellebrennan7045
@michellebrennan7045 8 лет назад
not multiple personality disorder
@kevinphilipsanders
@kevinphilipsanders 7 лет назад
Additon then you are obviously wrong.
@allifrazer355
@allifrazer355 8 лет назад
I couldn't pay attention the narrative was so monotone😑
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
Sorry...
@alishiasandoval7333
@alishiasandoval7333 8 лет назад
+What it all Meant I liked it 👍🏽👍🏽
@Someia009
@Someia009 8 лет назад
Don't apologize -- don't worry. Your speech in this video is a little bit monotone, but try to practice reading what you're going to say in your video aloud with more natural voice inflections before recording it.
@marcjacobs6613
@marcjacobs6613 6 лет назад
What it all Meant 'Sorry...' See? thats what we mean. stop being so fucking weak
@ballooneyjr4294
@ballooneyjr4294 6 лет назад
Marc Jacobs LMAAAAOOOO
@hanina2945
@hanina2945 8 лет назад
This whole time I thought she became schizophrenic and she usually gets these episodes of when she sees herself is due to her stress, because that's mainly the case with other schizophrenic people.
@nairainu34
@nairainu34 8 лет назад
BLUE ROSE p
@a916LEX
@a916LEX 8 лет назад
BLUE ROSE I also always thought this. There are numerous threads on the internet which provide further proof.
@roddo1955
@roddo1955 5 лет назад
Schizoid affectation but not schizophrenia.
@everythingwillbe6904
@everythingwillbe6904 3 года назад
The were representations of her emotions
@meagansk926
@meagansk926 6 лет назад
Lilly is ninas shadow ego. Hence the shadows and the faces she sees and general paranoia. Nina has CPTSD due to an overbearing mother and stress from her career. She is codependent and narcissistically abused.
@luckycharm6504
@luckycharm6504 6 месяцев назад
This move took me two days to finish, I had to stop multiple times because it was so intense. It’s psychological horror. So disturbing and beautiful, I’ll never see ballet the same way.
@estephaniezapata4714
@estephaniezapata4714 8 лет назад
your voice is so soothing..
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
+Estephanie Zapata Thank you, I actually really hate it
@christinefougere1444
@christinefougere1444 8 лет назад
+What it all Meant You are actually speaking so fast I can't understand what you are saying. Oh well, LOL, that's me.
@conanninteeneightyeight3512
@conanninteeneightyeight3512 8 лет назад
+Christine Fougere I agree
@TheGirlInSneakers
@TheGirlInSneakers 7 лет назад
There are plenty of ways to interpret this movie. That's why it's so good.
@mobydick3769
@mobydick3769 7 лет назад
I felt so identified with this movie when I first watched it that I almost had a panic attack. I did ballet for 10 years until I got out at 15 and I remember the pressure and constant strive to perfection and the competitiveness that pit girls against each other. I didn't even know what it was like to go out with friends until I was 17 because the world of ballet is a lifestyle. You have to train every day and get out of the academy so tired you just want to go to sleep. You are constantly worried about your weight, your body mass, your legs getting too fat or belly not being flat. The world of ballet is beautiful, but it is in fact pure blood sweat and tears behind the curtain. Somehow in that world you are not allowed to emotionally mature. Maybe that was just my experience, but it's so similar to Nina's that it made me feel like I was a part of that movie.
@allighoul2179
@allighoul2179 8 лет назад
My theory is, that she begins to live the story of the Swan. How she was young and beautiful and naive and the black Swan steals her love and imprisons the swan. I think, because of the role and her way of life, she manifested the malicious character from the story onto an actual living person, that person being Milas character. The difference being that Milas character was not actually all that present in (Natalie) her life. All of their interactions were her delusional manifestation of the Black Swan. She only defeats the Black Swan when she completes the best performance of her life and the character. which inevitably takes her life, because the manifestation was actually just the darker side of her, which she 'killed.' Just my theory. Because if you look at it metaphorically, the dance instructor/molestor dude, tells a brief description of the Swan story which has mild relation to the situations she faces.
@aseeshera5998
@aseeshera5998 8 лет назад
Alli Ghoul When I watched thos film . I understood Nina has schizophrenia and how she thought she was killing evil. When it was herself. What I never understood was after she stabbed herself . How did she managed to dance so well ? Yes u could say aderline rush kicked in but I'm not so sure.
@allighoul2179
@allighoul2179 7 лет назад
+Asees Hera I understand where you're coming from, but I've heard and read of people surviving, or at least not dying as rapidly as they should or assume one would, from some strange situations.
@Vanessa-ij5nf
@Vanessa-ij5nf 8 лет назад
Can you make one for sucker punch?
@alexanderboleyn2058
@alexanderboleyn2058 8 лет назад
YAAAASSS
@eejhayjess
@eejhayjess 8 лет назад
yessss
@Cowboyssuckcock100
@Cowboyssuckcock100 7 лет назад
Please ....going form a movie like this to a trash ass movie like sucker punch would be like going from a Bugatti to a Pinto
@krismargarejo9802
@krismargarejo9802 6 лет назад
TheMad Mexican Sucker Punch ain't for the weak.
@schindler161
@schindler161 6 лет назад
Vanessa Salinas someone actually has made a nice long video on meaning of sucker punch and they/he said that it was the story of what’s going in the other girl’s head (the girl who fled to freedom because of babydoll’s help at last). Baby girl (“babydoll” i don’t remember her exactly name) wasn’t the actual protagonist but was the image of the real one. And the war sequences were all in her head giving her the strength to survive all the dancer-girl misery. As such she had no mental disorder but most of the scenes were metaphorical that tried to connect different pasts and what she actually felt in those times. Summarising it one could say the prime message pthe movie was that “you can have freedom of your mind even if you are physically not free (captive). Men may own your body in the worst scenario but your mind will be always yours and that’s how you gain control.” Sounds like the maker tried hard to appeal the modern feministic audience of today but failed to convey it properly.
@auryn8450
@auryn8450 8 лет назад
HANG ON A FUCKING SECOND, NINA'S MOTHER IS THE SAME ACTRESS OF CORA IN OUAT RIGHT? RIGHT?!
@deborahgarrett2997
@deborahgarrett2997 8 лет назад
Auryn YES
@kellyrocks15
@kellyrocks15 7 лет назад
just realized this.
@mandospiegel8994
@mandospiegel8994 7 лет назад
Same actress in what?
@auryn8450
@auryn8450 7 лет назад
Andesine_ She also plays Cora in a TV show called Once Upon A Time. Cora's the mother of the Evil Queen from Snow White (She's more but I won't spoil anything)
@kristinoskthoroddsen9021
@kristinoskthoroddsen9021 7 лет назад
OMG YES, I LOVE OUAT SM
@axshu4aa
@axshu4aa 8 лет назад
this video is more complicated than the movie
@kat-kalamity
@kat-kalamity 7 лет назад
my favorite quote is still "what hapened to my sweet girl?" "She's gone!"
@beatrizballarin4643
@beatrizballarin4643 8 лет назад
As a dancer, I can relate to the struggle of trying to find that one little thing inside that fits the character I'm playing, and letting this little thing take control of who I am, completely. *My English is not perfect, sorry about that
@Zzzk23
@Zzzk23 7 лет назад
Beatriz Ballarin this movie also hit very close to home for me. I got into performing through both dance class and watching the town's middle/high school shows. Right away (6th grade) I joined the annual musical and became one of the most dedicated people. I didn't drop out when I didn't get a supporting or lead role. I also struggled with an eating disorder and the desire to be perfect for the show. Its my senior year, and the director let the middle school do the same show I always begged her to do. I constantly felt like Nina, always losing myself in the role, but never getting what I wanted.
@beatrizballarin4643
@beatrizballarin4643 7 лет назад
I hope you are feeling better about it now... this is hard to deal with. If you ever need someone to talk to, I am here for you okay?
@Zzzk23
@Zzzk23 7 лет назад
Beatriz Ballarin Thank you. Same goes for you.
@Rayblondie
@Rayblondie 7 лет назад
Sounds dangerous to me. Our character is our main asset.
@leah1697
@leah1697 4 года назад
The mother is definitely living vicariously through Nina. All this perfection and never feeling freedom, living for her mother and up to her standards, her own and everyone else's, it was just too much. She's so afraid to fail. She definitely has some mental health issues, and the mother didn't help that. She was overprotective and constantly watching her, therefore Nina felt she could never misstep or fail. I think the mother was genuinely concerned for Nina, that's why she at one point said either way she'll shine and at the end locked Nina in her room. Even though she wants the best for her, she was allowing her room to step back and then put her health first, because she knew the pressure was too much. She was genuinely concerned and put Nina's mental state before perfection. Yes, she expected Nina to do well, but that makes sense. All parents think their child is the best, and especially because Nina was talented, her mother was a dancer and they have a history with the company. Clipping her nails, wanting to see her back, the doors without locks, wanting to know what she's doing in the bathroom, her concern for Nina mental state and her self harming habits, that was because Nina had obviously done these things before and her mother thought this was the way to handle it. She gave Nina little to no privacy because she didn't trust her. I think the mother constantly watching her and Nina's childlike behaviour really contributed to the audience seeing the mother negatively, but Nina is mentally unstable and we see the pressure on her, her hallucinations, paranoia and her self harming behaviour enough to know she's an unreliable narrator. She paints lily a certain way. We don't even know if the tattoo was real. If Nina represents the white Swan, Lily represents the black swan/odile. When Nina leaves the bathroom stall and "whore" is written in red lipstick, that's the lipstick she stole from Beth. In her mind to be a "whore" is wrong, that's her opposite and she's afraid that's perception of her, but she's the one who wrote it. She hallucinates about Lily/Odile many times. She also hallucinates about her reflection or a second violent, daring, sneaky "Nina", one that's taunting her. This is her inner Odile, an opposition to her own White Swan. This represents the transition and metamorphosis in Nina. We start with a Nina who wears pinks, is very close and dependent on her mother, childlike, naive, controlled then her self destructive inner black swan starts attacking that version. Nina purposefully hurts herself and gradually it gets worse, finally ending with the black swan killing the white. This final version of Nina wears blacks, let's down her hair, she's violent, daring, flirtatious, uncontrolled, sexual, doesn't listen to whispering around her nor does she care what people think, she goes for what she wants and feels freedom. The film uses those around Nina, who lacks personality, to aid the audience in making ideas about her. Her mother represents the childlike, repressed, controlled, scared, mentally unwell and perfection obsessed Nina. Thomas represents a desire for maturity, to be what a man might want, the Nina who's trying to "grow up" and be free. Beth represents Nina's fears and desires about her future, a once perfect ballerina who's now an aged, washed up, used, mentally unstable, needy, violent, "whore", who got to wear she is by doing what men wanted. Lily/odile/the hallucinations represents Nina's feared darker side, the side that she's trying to repress, the side that she's afraid to submit to, but wants to be. She imprints all of this onto lily and forms ideas about her, based on her fears and paranoia. Lily is wild, flirtatious, uncontrolled, free of perfection, doesn't care what people think about her. Nina chooses to believe this newcomer is opposition, the same way she sees the scarier repressed parts of herself as her opposition. When she believes she's killed lily, but it's turns out she's stabbed herself, we see it represents killing her white Swan self, the old version of herself. She frees herself
@shars3511
@shars3511 8 лет назад
ugh I still don't get it
@nbey22
@nbey22 8 лет назад
Really?
@aishajr5995
@aishajr5995 8 лет назад
Me neither
@OMGmynameisLILI
@OMGmynameisLILI 8 лет назад
ikr. neither do i
@Science__2024nerd
@Science__2024nerd 8 лет назад
my first perception was either she is soo obsessed with the roll of swan or that her friend had mixed some drugs in her drink ( that is why she was having illusions may be) so has to take up Nina' role.
@lauraviseniya5930
@lauraviseniya5930 8 лет назад
I think the illusions are not due to the drink, Nina started experience hallucinations before, because she is ill (paranoid + dissociative disorders + anorexia). It is a representation of her fears and inner demons, because she is so repressed that she is afraid to become a full grown woman and to let things go. The white swan can be seen as her innocence, which has to die to become the black swan, which is a powerful and hypnotic adult. When you lose the first one, you can't go back.
@shadowdragonxv8929
@shadowdragonxv8929 2 года назад
if you look at this side of the many thing that get into this movie. is that this supression mostly happened due to the mother. she kept her in she didn't let her grow up. many children need to grow up fast because their parents aren't being the adults and they now need to be the adult for themself. but in this movie its the oppesite the mother never let her go and kept her away from all that is adult. she's 28 and just the bedroom itself already give that hint of her still being a child. (no direspect to anyone with this kind of bedroom) also her mother manipulating her when she sais no to the food is a way of her mother to keep her in her control. you don't see much of this in the movie but just those small details just gives the watcher more hints of her mother wanting her to keep being a child her little child that does her dream.
@sydnei5567
@sydnei5567 8 лет назад
This movie is absolutely fascinating and to me it's meaning is all about this duality of Evil and good that we all have inside us! Nature and nurture will shape the way that we handle good and evil but this internal battle will never end. I absolutely love the way Nina let her dark side to break free in such a tragic and yet beautiful way!
@RAMtrails
@RAMtrails 7 лет назад
this movie is SUPER claustrophobic. I've never watched a movie with more close up shots
@positivemanifestations3247
@positivemanifestations3247 6 лет назад
Black Swan is one of the best movies I've seen.
@meggdavie8811
@meggdavie8811 7 лет назад
I think it was all a dream. movie starts with her saying I had the craziest dream last night and there is constant reference to dream and fantasy and then it fades out to white at the end of the movie, like a dream
@Jxstvib1ng
@Jxstvib1ng 8 лет назад
Watched this movie over 100 times and this explanation really helped a lot. Nice job 👍
@user-uf5mv1vm5o
@user-uf5mv1vm5o 8 месяцев назад
I think that most of her scenes with Lily are in her head. Like when she comes to her place to pick her up, she doesn't interact with the mom at all or at least we don't see it, the mom keeps saying that "nobody" was at the door and when they come back drunk they ignore each other completely as well (the mom and lily), so Lily was never there with her which she confirms the next day. That's also why the mom was so concerned, because she just went out alone. Plus it happens right after they argue and the first time she manages to say "no" to her mom, rather agressively, it's like she manifested her dark persona and that's why Lily "rang" at the door. It gets more obvious during the fight scene. She's so jealous of Lily that she blames her for everything bad happening when it's just her.
@littlesongbird1
@littlesongbird1 27 дней назад
I think Lilly was at least there to pick her up. The next day when Nina oversleeps and Lily is there she mentions that Nina and her did go out for drinks and that Nina left alone.
@sheasully8365
@sheasully8365 5 лет назад
My grandma had me watch this when I was 6. I was terrified of the hallucinations. The end scared me
@DarkRelm22
@DarkRelm22 3 года назад
"Acts like a little girl" "Whines like a little girl" Its because of her abuse, she cannot be or do ANYTHING for herself because literally EVERYONE around her is abusive.
@ecmgbt9
@ecmgbt9 8 лет назад
Those last 30 seconds blew my mind 😧 I never thought of the similarities between Nina's story and Swan Lake
@driamhane
@driamhane 2 года назад
Another thing I noticed is that there are motifs and clues of swans and ballet all around her house, which signify how obsessed she is with that role. Even her phone ring tone is the tune of Swan Lake, although anyone else would be tired of hearing it everywhere. It's like her heartbeat.
@dawnpiper6002
@dawnpiper6002 3 года назад
If we talk in Jungian terms, she didn't acknowledge her shadow throughout her life and when confronted with it, the shadow swallowed her completely.
@biggoathorns
@biggoathorns Год назад
This is a great analysis. It’s been on my “watch later” list for years and I finally got to it tonight.
@Alluponit31
@Alluponit31 7 лет назад
There was a lot of abuse from her mom, caused ALOT of her sheltered, repressed, and anxious moments in the film
@MayastarOfficial
@MayastarOfficial 8 лет назад
I dance and love the film...I came to the conclusion that the mother isn't alive. Except in Nina's head. The inappropriate closeness (dressing her and cutting her nails, no lock on the bathroom) seem to imply this. I think she sees her mother as the ultimate failure in dance...and her second as the ideal. And by trying express them independently (not integrated) it affects her delusions at home too. Just a thought. Am a total bunhead myself!
@sunandrain98
@sunandrain98 8 лет назад
I still didn't get it.. oh well.. some things we'll never know **sigh**
@herozayn9133
@herozayn9133 8 лет назад
she was a girl being controlled by her mom to make her always be "perfect" just like the white swan but in deep pf her she's not she's actually a bad girl so to maje tge roll of her life aka the black swan dhe needed to explore that part of her self more and she did but it controlled her then she met her over half the to make her happy and normal to get out if black or white swan thing ...I think that's the point lol
@pastelhotmess9299
@pastelhotmess9299 8 лет назад
hero zayn this is the altered version of swan lake
@shabnamrafique3638
@shabnamrafique3638 7 лет назад
hero zayn Easy to blame the mother in the movie. I my opinion the mother was trying to help her as mother's do. Being on the outside looking in the mother could see what was happening to Nina.
@cryptidcute
@cryptidcute 6 лет назад
happy_kitty The Black Swan is like Nina's "dark passenger"
@katc2040
@katc2040 6 лет назад
Shabnam Rafique if you think her mother was helping as mothers do, please don’t be a mother
@sreelekha5939
@sreelekha5939 8 лет назад
Nina's mental condition is what bothers her mother, and she.s dedicated her life since to Nina, watching her, protecting her, making sure it didn't come back. She might have her imperfect moments but she wasn't the cause of her condition, though she might have had an affect on what followed...
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
We don't know that for sure, but I wouldn't discount it either
@Choices2aa
@Choices2aa 8 лет назад
I hated this movie I refuse to buy or watch it on DVD again! It was a rip off of the anime movie Perfect Blue!
@DM-it1qf
@DM-it1qf 8 лет назад
It's alleged that a lot of Black Swan was taken from an anime about an actress losing her mind. Apparently there are scenes that are similar as well.
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
+D M Yeah, I've seen the comparison video, but haven't seen the original.
@tegestmakura3971
@tegestmakura3971 5 лет назад
Perfect blue amazing movie
@pumpumwithrice2369
@pumpumwithrice2369 4 года назад
D M it’s the same with the Japanese movie “Paprika” from the same people that made Perfect blue. Paprika was an influence for the movie inception
@charlesrichardson6663
@charlesrichardson6663 7 лет назад
I just want to say i haven't seen some one analyze to such a dope and considerable degree. Very satisfying watching your vids.
@air3496
@air3496 4 года назад
Yo this connects so well with Jung's Map of the Soul and bts
@menacingakio5941
@menacingakio5941 4 года назад
Legit just watched BTS's Black Swan before this
@medicalstudent4333
@medicalstudent4333 9 лет назад
The premise I believe was that she entered into the adult world unprepared and succumbed to it. I believe such solution to this damning situation should be that one ought to build their house (their morale, world view, beliefs) on a solid rock rather than on shady sand. Because when that wind of problems that world huffs at our house, if the house be build on a weak foundation like said, our house and us included will sink.
@ashleyturley8299
@ashleyturley8299 8 лет назад
Watching this actually made me realize that's why she couldn't be the black swan at first. She was 'perfect', innocent, and docile, like the white swan. I didn't realize it was the emotion she was lacking that didn't make her the black swan at first. Like look at Lily when her and Thomas watch her, she isn't docile or neutral looking, there's a certain bouncyness to her movements and she looks happy like she's having fun. Part of me wonders if her mother forced the idea of being a ballerina on her
@robertmchenry5274
@robertmchenry5274 8 лет назад
Interesting... I think the problem with the movie was that it depicted the artist's journey, the journey that all artists, be them dancers, painters, novelists or actors, make to create... we all let the work obsess us, overwhelm us, devour us metaphorically... the ending of the movie tossed this away by externalizing the internal process (her death)... because it is this death that every creator goes through to be reborn. Instead it turned her into a crazy person. Had they shown the process as transformative it would have been more honest.
@kylewhitehead1684
@kylewhitehead1684 7 лет назад
There have been many, many artists who have been devoured and killed by their obsession. If one isn't in touch with all elements of oneself and is a stranger to oneself then it's like going into dangerous territory without a map. Most true artists are poorly adjusted people with deep flaws and they are at risk of self destruction. People who don't explore themselves and acknowledge their capacity for malevolence, violence, and total despair, (and also lust, in this case) cannot possibly know themselves and if they don't know themselves they cannot respect themselves and without self respect self discipline is impossible and the person slowly fragments. That's what happened in this film and I thought it was very honest.
@madeleinerodriguez7399
@madeleinerodriguez7399 8 лет назад
"Crying like a little girl"? That was sexist.
@WhatitallMeant
@WhatitallMeant 8 лет назад
My point was that she was acting like a child, gender neutral.
@madeleinerodriguez7399
@madeleinerodriguez7399 8 лет назад
+What it all Meant then why not "child" instead of "little girl"?
@florenciaho9532
@florenciaho9532 8 лет назад
triggered 😂😂😂
@florenciaho9532
@florenciaho9532 8 лет назад
And its because she is a girl she is being a little girl gahd damn
@Mickey_mars
@Mickey_mars 8 лет назад
+Madeleine Rodriguez because she's female and she's feminine ....
@TheSuperNats
@TheSuperNats 8 лет назад
I absolutely adored this beautiful film. This analysis I believe was spot on. I love this channel! I believed that Nina's blood at the end signified menstruation and finally becoming a "full woman" with her dark and purity sides both dancing.
@laughingdog9478
@laughingdog9478 8 лет назад
I think the bleeding and her implied death isn't really about menstration but more the innocent and sweet Nina being killed by her dark side.
@laughingdog9478
@laughingdog9478 8 лет назад
*menstuation
@disasterbi8610
@disasterbi8610 8 лет назад
+TheSuperNats Maybe you're onto something there... many pre-industrial and ancient societies saw a woman's menstruation as a dark thing connected with evil spirits, and their cultures dictated specific behaviors for women during that time. Maybe Nina's bleeding abdomen was meant to reflect that?
@SoWhosGae
@SoWhosGae 8 лет назад
I agree in a way. Women with eating disorders sometimes lose their menses and in Nina's case who knows for how much time she hadn't had them. Also it could be related to the bleeding during the first sexual act. I kinda think she was indeed a virgin despite her age. It is very probable. And during the movie she kinda panicks every time she sees blood.
@disasterbi8610
@disasterbi8610 8 лет назад
+June 13 Good points there! Strong symbolism for blood throughout the film for sure, and it make sense why - blood has always been a powerful symbol in human history.
@nelsondestefano3007
@nelsondestefano3007 7 лет назад
I saw this movie for the first time recently, I never thought that a movie about ballet would be the scariest movie I'd ever see
@atronovum3212
@atronovum3212 6 лет назад
I was 13yo when i watched for the first this movie, i also thought that it was a demon film. Now that i grew up, it all makes sense actually and i can relate to this... Oppressive father, stressed about my studies, dealing with mental and emotional instabilities and most of all this constant desire to reach perfection whatever it may cost, that's so obsessing and overwhelming, the strange fact is that you feel that it bad for you and who surrounds you, but at the same time you find a kind of in it and start liking it... This movie is by far the best one I've ever watch, really...
@ToeRingAdventures
@ToeRingAdventures 8 лет назад
That's an Interesting and plausible interpretation. It's been a long time since I've seen the movie but from what I recall it was all of that and a little more. A portrayal of a young girl's mind suffering with an undiagnosed and treated mental illness, schizophrenia in particular. A great depiction of how delusions and hallucinations are in fact a scary reality in her world. How dysfunctional relationships feed (and dare I say cause) her internal and real life nightmare. The viewer gets an opportunity to view her world from her perspective so we also think everything is really happening with no obvious logic or reason causing much confusion & fear. Her focus on her craft helps her make sense of her world but increasing stresses force her to confront the demons she has always suppressed with no life experience to deal with them. Everyone around her are so preoccupied with their own agendas that no one thinks that she may need help, protection, guidance and support.
@latenightcashews
@latenightcashews 8 лет назад
MsRina66 this is a great summary!
@ToeRingAdventures
@ToeRingAdventures 7 лет назад
thank you Amanda :)
@haleylandry7791
@haleylandry7791 9 лет назад
You should do silence of the lambs!
@HJ-ju4ui
@HJ-ju4ui 3 года назад
i would love it if a director of some ballet company would go super meta and create a ballet based on this movie it would be so epic
@light8174
@light8174 8 лет назад
This was one of the most confusing movies I've ever watched. Maybe because I didn't understand it since I was younger at the time I watched it.
@matthalbmaier6113
@matthalbmaier6113 7 лет назад
what black swan meant: Natalie Portman stars in a crappy movie about a boring subject and does PG 13 lesbos scenes
@urzathehappy72
@urzathehappy72 9 лет назад
still havent seen it but it terrifies me badly. great vid
@trailhiacabano7024
@trailhiacabano7024 9 лет назад
Roger Waters it isn't really!
@-sylvia3536
@-sylvia3536 9 лет назад
It wasn't that bad,gone girl is much more scary,freaks me out
@trailhiacabano7024
@trailhiacabano7024 9 лет назад
Sylvia Lee ow that one is different Amy is crazy and she knows it this one doesn't.
@-sylvia3536
@-sylvia3536 8 лет назад
i went to watch the film with my dad and the tickets are all sold out so were seats are literally in second line...yeah I'm only 15years old haha
@-sylvia3536
@-sylvia3536 8 лет назад
i'm totally fine with the movie but with my dad...haha kinda funny actually
@teppi5119
@teppi5119 8 лет назад
I never saw the tie between swan lake and her life. I understood the child and maturity etc but not that deeply. Wow, I'm gonna have to watch that movie again!
@1pink2pink3pink
@1pink2pink3pink 7 лет назад
watching this after watching the Lessons from the Screenplay comparison to whiplash (because of my obsessive tendencies to understand everything about every movie I ever watch) just gives this movie a whole new level of depth. Once you do this to enough movies it increases your movie going experience in total because you begin to form your own in depth analysis and theories about films, incorporating things you would have never thought of in the past.... long story short, I love films.
@BelledelaGroove
@BelledelaGroove 7 лет назад
this is the passion of the performance artist.
@emailaccount-t4k
@emailaccount-t4k Год назад
They sell a dual DVD pack of Black Swan and The Fountain (Aronofsky's earlier work). These two movies (although seemingly different) have massive overlaps. Black Swan is a Russian doll. It is about the ballet of Swan Lake, while the character's play out swan lake, while she hallucinated a story of swan lake, while she mentally progresses through Swan Lake, while she physically endures a story of Swan Lake, while the entire movie is presented in the format of a ballet of Swan Lake. This is my #3 movie of all time (behind Magnolia and 2001: A Space Odyssey) and the Russian doll style (or Rubik's cube as Aronofsky puts it) is perfected in Black Swan but also used in the Fountain. At the end of the day both movies are metaphors for Buddhist Enlightenment. The Fountain is about enlightenment by overcoming fear of mortality, where Black Swan is about the necessity of Suffering to reach enlightenment. These are both central to Buddhism and can be attributed to Siddhartha's journey from innocent prince, to suffering, to enlightenment. (Bigger Spoiler coming) I disagree with the video's use of the word "evil". The Black Swan represents "suffering", "self-destruction" and sometimes "doing the wrong or selfish thing". Evil is not the word I would use to describe the Black Swan inside of ourselves. I've heard some say this has an open ending as Nina may have been saved after the closing of the film. This is false. She dies, how do I know? Because that is the fate of the Swan. Another element that is sometimes said to be left open is whether Lily is really trying to take her role and sleep with the director or if it was simply paranoid hallucination. It is not open, we just don't get to see it. How do I know? Again, it is the fate of the Black Swan and the only indication that Lily was being manipulative is that she was awarded the role of the alternate dancer and almost did usurp her role. As Kurt Cobain said, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you." He did not leave these elements out to leave anything open, he did so because they didn't need to be shown once you understand the equations of this move and Swan Lake.
@emailaccount-t4k
@emailaccount-t4k Год назад
One more note. Why did critics hail to Black Swan and critique The Fountain with much higher negativity. In these movies, Aronofsky focuses on the meaning with more priority than the plot. Black Swan had very little ambiguity to its plot. Yes, some things are questionable (but also not). Did Lily sleep with the director? Yes. She received the alternate role for it. Did Nina see it, it is unknown, but also makes no difference as it happened and was hallucinated whether she saw it or not. The Fountain by contrast did not include a certainty to the connections in the 3 plots of The Fountain. Are the 3 characters reincarnations of 3 different time periods as he had not overcome mortality and thus stuck in a cycle of rebirth to fit the Buddhism motif? Maybe. Was the conquistador a story written by the wife while the future was really him after curing death and living to the future? Maybe. Was the future some sort of ending to the book? Maybe. Aronofsky doesn't know either. He left this out on purpose for us to focus on the point at the end of the day no matter which interpretation is used. This upset many viewers who focus too much on the plot and not enough on the intention of the movie. Aronofsky said [the plot] was open to many interpretations, but at the end, it all comes down to the same idea no matter how you interpret the plot. This was done on purpose and does not lower my view on this great movie. It was obvious that he DID make the connections easier to read in the Black Swan plot.
@BettyAlexandriaPride
@BettyAlexandriaPride 8 лет назад
I've always wanted to see this, never got around to it. Now I really need to check it out.
@lucybayle7998
@lucybayle7998 8 лет назад
Part 3: but not before dancing flawlessly, her transformation into the black swan that is happening within shown visually on stage. her final words are: I felt it. I was perfect. Perfect way to conclude a breathtakingly beautiful and thought-provoking movie, with many different ways of interpreting it too!
@taehyungoppa7208
@taehyungoppa7208 4 года назад
BTS brought me here so I can understand the actually meaning to their new song release
@oliviastone8887
@oliviastone8887 8 лет назад
It's the pressure of her company not her studio it's set in a New York ballet company.
@PZCherokee
@PZCherokee 8 лет назад
I agree with everything you said. I actually believe that it was nonsensical for Thomas to give her that part anyway. Especially with what you said about neglecting her dark side. Everyone else around her was in touch with their darkness; Lily, Veronica, and even Thomas and her mother. But Thomas picked her to play the role even though he knew she was too one sided. I think Thomas was trying to push her to self destruction.
@bobpolo2964
@bobpolo2964 8 лет назад
He was actually trying to push her to self-fulfilment.
@hippiechic6772
@hippiechic6772 8 лет назад
I think Thomas cared to much for Nina to want to push her to self destruct ; I agree with bob polo....Thomas really did want Nina to be happy and fulfilled . She was self destructing herself . I was a ballet dancer for years and was on stage in The Nutcracker ; little girls get into it thinking of the success , pretty clothes , making everyone so happy and their parents so proud . It is hard practices that goes on for hours , months , years....if your not cut out for a hard life style it will break you one way or another . A serious key in making it lasts is relaxing ; that is one career that has a short life span ....if you want to have a body and mind in solid condition at an old age .
@bobpolo2964
@bobpolo2964 8 лет назад
hippie chic I agree. To piggyback off you, athletes also have a short lifespan in their sport compared to the second half of their lives after they retire. Kobe Bryant just retired and he's only 38 years old. He has much mental youth, but his body is a decrepit old man in athletic years. This is interesting because Leonardo DiCaprio is the same age yet he's far from retiring and he's in his prime. Different performance mediums come with different variables. 
@Nonni655321
@Nonni655321 8 лет назад
Thomas chooses Nina because she has what the others don't: innocence. It's possible for an artist to play the "bad role" but those who're stereotypes of it cannot interpret a believable "good role" it's harder if not impossible. Also, Thomas chooses her because he knows it's the only way to get to her sexually, while the others... Not so hard.
@Nurichiri
@Nurichiri 6 дней назад
Nobody has mentioned that the stabbing happens after she shifts her weight on a lift and gets dropped while playing Odette. I think that was when she had her full psychotic break. The "perfect" Odette was no longer perfect, and since Odette could no longer be perfect she was destroyed and Nina was free to become Odile rather than remaining perfect. It happens specifically when she faces herself in the mirror and sees her rival. She only realizes Odette's destruction after fully embodying Odile, but she had to put on the persona of Odette one last time. The whole stabbing was in her mind. It was very possible she broke the mirror, but Odile's dance is extremely vigorous and involves lifts. That shard in her stomach would have been ripping apart stuff in there, she would have been bleeding everywhere and at the very least her partner would have felt the blood. I think she did hurt herself when she fell onto the mattress, possibly falling badly on purpose so that she ended her career with her perceived perfection. Her twisted body was what Lily and Thomas were reacting to, not blood.
@АмалияА-з7б
@АмалияА-з7б 7 лет назад
I can't say it was an easy movie to get through, the tension all through the scenes made it quite clear we are not here for pleasant emotions. But somehow when she stabbed herself in the end it felt like a happy ending. Physical pain is nothing to her, she is used to it, but the symbolism of piercing herself and letting go of her darker side is so much more important for Nina. The music did wonders, it built up, it helped ease pain, it hid behind the images or was blasting right in our faces, in our minds. Those who didn't see the symbolism of everything in the movie and couldn't interpret metaphors - read more. Make your brains work.
@ladywrench04
@ladywrench04 8 лет назад
The Last line "I felt it, it was perfect" was unnecesary in my opinion. You could see how she was "feeling it" and transforming herself into her repressed shadow and that line spoiled so much de moment. Great movie, amazing performances, and good vid, I enjoyed your analysis
@jiminslongstolenjams475
@jiminslongstolenjams475 4 года назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="97">1:37</a> it looks like the scene of Jin in BST!!
@deren2001
@deren2001 7 лет назад
Nina is definitely the most fascinating female character on screen. Her psychotic transformation of the obedient perfect little girl in to a dangerous self centered diva is brilliant! She makes me wonder who Im hiding underneath my socially trained self
@jbear3478
@jbear3478 8 лет назад
i'm writing this before i see the video because i'm a jibber jabber, but to me the theme of the movie was her choosing perfection in her life over everything else... including her life. at the end she has to choose between telling someone she was bleeding out, and finishing the ballet because she's in the zone and doing a perfect job, which is all she ever wanted. on some level we are told this about her character in an obvious way, like her eating disorder and overall ocd personality, but the ending of the film really hits home that point for me. okay going to watch this now, can't wait to see what you have to say!
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