Blackthorne Rescues Toranaga from a Landslide - Scene | Shōgun | FX 

The truth.

We don't control when we are born and die either,. In fact we control nothing. Karma shukame, kısmet is all

No. I dont follow soyboy quote.

Love this series, but that particular quote is just profound-sounding nonsense

@@gammaraider that is why its so soyish. I control my life.

Such great nonverbal acting

What's the history of the swords?

​@@menumlor9432they were owned by a worthless samurai, fujis father

@@littlepenguinowo1819 addition to that: these were technically not even her father's katanas. instead, they had been bought off of a disgraced and destitute samurai, so that her father could keep up with appearances, as a samurai without a katana is no samurai at all. the story goes that the family probably couldn't afford to acquire anything remotely impressive the right and honorable way. so he found himself a disreputable way to get some impressive katanas and in doing so, had to make up a story along with them. (they're somebody's old family swords just not theirs. and buying them off some one broke and desperate isn't exactly showing off your high standing). Toranaga and the Anjin knew the true story on the origin of the katanas, but it hadn't been told to Fuji's family.

Fits narratively, as the earthquake ruined his army. The possibility of a military assault on Osaka castle was now no longer possible

💯

Amazing acting as he(toranaga) gives anjın a fırst look of puzzled acknowledgement

Yes, indeed. A scene really well done!

that is why acting>writing

@@arfanhaq1492”wait the little baby Anjin rescued me?? 😂

I think the deeper insinuation is that Toranaga sees a noble spirit in Blackthorn, and decides he must show him how to live with purpose. Much to Blackthorne's shagrin xD just let me fight the Portuguese bro

Feudal Japanese lords honored their debts and rewarded loyalty lavishly, but they rarely owed favors to subordinates.

You forget Toranaga also saved Blackthorne's life.

And possibly from the assassin at Osaka castle.

Still ain’t going back to England 😂

@@gregordrizzlewing7339 all gaslight is rape and all rape is courtesan.

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Have you ever been in the path of totality? The birds go nuts.

@MikeySkywalker no but recently I was in the 2024 solar eclipse. It was a wonderful New York/ Brooklyn experience ❤️

@@jedtulman46 did you get to see the entire thing? The full eclipse? The animals go nuts and it gets dark. It’s cool.

@MikeySkywalker no totality .I did take photos however. So cool

It's also a pretty natural reflect. Any warrior or soldier will feel most "ready" with their hand on their weapon. I would expect most sewell trained soldiers bow would instinctively go for their rifles even in this day and age

@@alexlyster3459 Better to have your weapon and not need it afterwards, than need it afterwards and not have it. Worst of all is having to explain to your Platoon Sergeant what happened. After the Sergeant gets finished chewing you out, you go meet the Supply Sergeant who hands you the forms to account for the loss and request a new weapon.

i thought it was a bit of a unspoken slight because of the swords' shameful history? "you are not worthy of my service, but since I am stuck with you I might as well serve you" but maybe that was just me projecting my view of the situation onto Blackthorne. Dude has saved Toranaga's life twice now, got left behind once and had his deal reneged and still doesn't have his goddamn boat

@@TESkyrimizer Watch the podcast for this episode. It was meant to signify Blackthorne learning how words give things meaning.

@@TESkyrimizer Toranaga's laugh was to acknowledge Karma. Knowing the story of the Daishō and what they represent yet he now holds them, given to him by the most unlikely person possible in his mind... as a gift. They played the Scene perfectly.

​@TESkyrimizer Not everyone in "the Japans" was aware of the particulars in Fuji's dishonor. They seemed to specifically say she, herself, was presented the swords as her father's as though honor was satisfied. She then gifted them to Anjin in a subsequent act of honor and thoughtful gesture when he gave her one of his prized pistols. Blackthorn, then perhaps remembered a remark about a Samurai without his swords, and humbly, perhaps pragmatically offered his as a goodwill gesture to his lord and Master. Because the terms of service were not clearly defined and documented, Blackthorn and Toranaga have, at least initially, very different ideas of their agreement. Blackthorn saw it as though he were some kind of military contractor. Train some troops to a somewhat ambiguous proficiency, then his own men and vessel are released to him, and they are then free to leave. Toranaga, no doubt, was looking to gain an edge over his rival lords and was content with taking possession of the ship, its armaments and crew as was his right in his territory. Seeing Blackthorn had insights that merited keeping him alive, he offered an honorary position with duties analogous to a military officer in wartime where his Anjin was expected loyal service to his Supreme Commander until that term of service was no longer required. This is why Toranaga briefly laughs in an amused "well, I will be damned, my tool Anjin may be coming to terms with his situation better than I hoped."

I think he, Toranaga saw that John has very quickly with the help of Fuji and Mariko understand the mannerisms of the life the Japanese lead back then. And for John to willingly give his swords, show that John has more honor than probably even Toranaga himself since John was in some aspects to a sense screw over by him and others because one he didn’t know their culture nor language when he first arrive but he is showing how quickly he is assimilating so for Toranaga it might have been a karmic cosmic joke aim toward him and that’s why he look amuse

On first sighting the catch phrase I up-voted it; that's my style, sir!

Ah, men of culture!

Sharp.... very Sharpe. I see what you did there.

Blackthorne 's coat buttons up over a number of duties doesn't it?

You know what Anjin says makes a good Hatamoto Guard? The ability to save your Tono in any weather.

It's really an engrossing drama. Every time I watch I really feel like I'm there.

Regardless, I don't think I've seen a show that is quite as encapsulating since the start of The Expanse.

The woke will ruin it.

@@failtolawlMy thoughts exactly!

You think that personally as opposed to what, non-personally?

That was my favorite part of this scene. That and the stone being set straight are showing Blackthorne finally learning he has to respect their culture and if he doesn’t the consequences (good and bad) are his fault.

Bro that's the basic 😢

Soyboy quote.

@@meinkek7896 are you an actual child, or a grown man pretending to be one online? 😂

@@missbelled6700 i control what i said. Such a weak soyboy quote. I control where i can travel. WEAK SOYBOY.

@@missbelled6700 Look. Another soyboy

@@missbelled6700 While it was childish the way he put it there is also some truth to it. Yes, we live and we die but that doesn't mean to throw life away that easily like the japanese did in that time. The practice of Seppuku was stupid and thats why Blackthorne also is bewildered by how easily they waste life for nothing(a rotting fish).

Eventually understand to the point where "Blackthorn was dead," and he would consider himself Japanese. Even when he was eventually allowed to leave, he chose to live out his days there, helping to establish trade, build a navy, take a wife, and family. Finally, splitting his wealth between his Japanese and English families upon his actual death.

this could be a promo! lol nicely put friend

Couple thousand were buried alive with civilian casualties it’s probably 20% of the whole population . If In today’s world tens of thousands get stuck under the rubble imagine getting swallowed by earth

To be fair he probably cant walk straight

I thought the same thing, that landslide was impressive

By god.

This is why we have weight classes

@@anas-432 By the movement of Earth? What are you spouting?

@@IdeaOfEvil He is a theist. Let him be. Just ignore him.

By God! Jesus is Lord!

The gardener sacrificed his life in order to protect Toranaga and his spy from being exposed.

If you are a few stories up in a building during an earthquake, you can SEE the ground move like a fluid as the wave of motion makes it roll. Land slides are much the same.

@@PumaTwoU I'm in Taiwan. We've been getting an aftershock above 4.0 up to 6.1 every ten minutes or so since yesterday.

My thoughts were that Toranaga initially had power over Blackthorne because he is a lost man in a world that he doesn’t understand. Him laughing was kind of a hysterical revelation that because Blackthorne had saved him (twice now), he has a life debt to the Anjin.

@@TheWeekendWarrior99it’s because he was about to die, you dumbasses, read the book

@@TheWeekendWarrior99Nah, he's definitely laughing because he knows the story of those swords. Its ironic beyond belief. And Blackthorne knows Toronaga knows.

Gaijin barbarian saves a great Daimyos life and gives him cheap swords as a gift because he has lost hes own. Its almost like an insult. It really is kinda funny and ironic from Toranagas perspective.

My interpretation of his reaction is this: "This gaijin both knows too little and too much about our culture and honor at the same time" and chuckles at the irony.

yeah I noticed it as well, it's such a misstep of translation

@jokersroom75 であるなら、どのように英訳するのが妥当なのですか？ これまでのハリウッド映画であれば、どこかのアジア人が 音声で「Thank you」、字幕で「ありがとう」で終わりですｗ。 というか、元となった小説ですら英語ですから。 今回の制作上の重要ポイントが、"日本人が観ても違和感のないもの" です。 ここの動画は英語圏向けですから、日本語の部分に字幕が付いています。 （日本人向けなら、たぶん逆なので、英訳字幕は出ないと思います） それぞれの第一言語(original language)で楽しめればいいんです。

​​@@Cmtwrt-ru8gj直訳は難しいけど、もうちょっ意味が伝わる言葉を選べたと思います。my deepest gratitude/ I am indebted to youなと。。。 確かにここでThankyouだけだと違和感感じますね。まっ、細かい話ですけどね。間違ってるわけでもないし😅

Japan is a beautiful country but one of the biggest unfortunates is the occasional natural disasters there 😬

I wish that I could say that. I'm in Taiwan. We've been getting an aftershock above 4.0 up to 6.1 every ten minutes or so since yesterday.

Yeah. They were preparing for a civil war.

Yes

@@zerovikings5852That sucks...

@@zerovikings5852 No, only part of the camp.

@@eodyn7dude that was at least 75% of the camp. I sure hope the army realized the landslide rather quickly so they could start running.

Humid, subtropical climate?

The string-like thing wrapped around the 鞘(Saya) is called "下緒(sage-o)". In this age, it always added. Use this string to tie the Saya to 帯(Obi). ・To prevent the sword attached to his waist from being taken away unexpectedly. ・To prevent the sheath from falling out of the Obi when the sword is drawn. ・If he use a 太刀(Tachi), use it by hanging it from his waist with this string. (mounted warrior) In addition, ・Tie the Saya and 鍔(Tsuba), or the Saya and 柄(e), to prevent the sword from slipping out unexpectedly. Show others that he have no intention of drawing his sword. ・Substitute when the 柄巻(e-maki) breaks. It seems that the Samurai of the time used it in various ways. In this movie, many Japanese professional staff members are involved, so the historical research is quite accurate.

@@Cmtwrt-ru8gj That Sagao was wrapped for display not for wearing the sword. No swordsman is going to have sagao like that on his sword when he is wearing it. Some ryuha use sagao and wrap it around the obi to secure it however that also limits how the blade can be drawn.

@@SystemOfStrategy After reading your first comment, "A sword that is worn by removing the string from the Saya." I was guessing that's what you wanted to say. According to historical documents explaining how to use the Sageo, From the beginning of Sageo's history, various ways to use it were explained based on the changes in the sword and the historical background. Methods of "pinching it in the Obi" and "tying it to the Obi" were also described. As you say, if you carry a sword with the intention of drawing it, you should untie Sageo. (However, even in that case, it would be a nuisance if it was left hanging, so it seems that it was sometimes loosely tied to the Saya.) There were different styles of tying the Sageo to the Saya, and the way it was tied was determined by each domain and the school of swordsmanship during the Edo period. For practical purposes, use knots that can be easily untied. In that scene, the way of tying that Sageo is called "大名結び(dai-myou musubi)" or "浪人結び(rou-nin musubi)". This is a method for those who don't have to draw their sword right away. In other words, it can be said to be a good-looking knot, or a knot for displaying a sword. In the Edo period, the color of Sageo was determined by the samurai class. (This movie is set just before the Edo period, but since the colors are not gorgeous, it is likely that he was not of high social status.)

Let's look back at that scene. Toranaga laughed as he was handed the sword. why? ・Blackthorne does not know swordsmanship or how to use a sword. Therefore, he inherited the sword from Fuji's father, and he wore it in his Obi as it was. (Sageo was still tied) ・Toranaga was helped by a foreigner of a lower status than himself. He received it from a foreigner who didn't even know how to use a 　Japanese sword. (It was obvious just by looking at Sageo) For those reasons, Toranaga laughed at his own situation. It would be a lie if that scene showed a noble-colored, untied Sageo. (I think that scene was possible because it was a Japanese staff member.) At the least, you are admirable for pointing out that the condition of that Sageo was not practical.

@@Cmtwrt-ru8gj I was not real picky, its a movie. The fact that the actors don't tend to wear their Katana properly, the Katana are short post Josun law size, the fact that at the gate in another scene they ask in Japanese for his Katana when he is wearing a wakizashi/kodachi, or when the one Daimyo, Yabushige I think they call him is wearing a katana instead of a Tachi in his armor and its edge down like a Tachi, etc. again it's a movie. This was a close up scene and the Sagao just jumped out so to speak.

Tokugawa Ieiasu. Lord Goroda, the bloodthirsty dictator killed by Mariko's father, is inspired by Oda Nobunaga.

@@neutronalchemist3241 ahh! that makes sense.

Thank you

This episode came out last week.

It is weird that he immediately gives up on his swords, but the swords blackthorne gives him belonged to fuji's father (though not really but that's the story), so blackthorne holding them for a few days doesn't change much.

A samurai can not be seen without swords , huge dishonor. Doubley so for Toronaga with his rank.

In the novel, Blackthorne slips the idea of finding them to Kasigi Omi, who then has his villagers/slaves dig them out. It's Blackthorne's way of trying to defuse a potentially deadly conflict with Omi. I'm not watching the actual show so I don't know whether this happens, or even if Omi is a character ... ? (He should be, he's pretty important in the novel.)

First of all, to command to dig for the swords when half of his army had been buried by the landslide would have been petty. But the swords were a rank badge. It was not appropriate for a feudal lord to be seen without them. So, in that situation, it was just natural, for one of his followers, to offer his own as replacements. Like it would have been natural for the lord of the village, later, to quietly search for them and return them, without being ordered to.

​@@neutronalchemist3241in the book, they did, and eventually found them, bent to the point of unusability.

Heh? This is a weird take. We don't know about Blackthorne's family and it's not like people don't die in England. 1590s London was a pretty ugly place. It was going through a plague and a famine, simultaneously.

Is it established in the show that Blackthorne has never lost a loved one? Also, so what if he is ‘whining’ as you put it? He is a fish out of water in the context of the show for much of the cultural norms. That being said, he has his value demonstrated in a number of scenes both from a pragmatic viewpoint in his naval expertise and his cultural attitudes. But I wonder, if this show was about a Japanese man in England complaining about the culture… would you have made an analogous comment about ‘Stop whining, you’re not in Japan anymore.’?

He wasn't whining about 'his loss'. Rather, upset about lives being of little value to people in Japan.

@@mindoftheswarm7 No, that'd be ''racist'' n shiiet

People this is not woke period, this is 1700 period Japan. Stop whining about freedom, there's no freedom back then even in western 1700 countries.

Well, both was, at last in major parts, somewhat lawful to the orignal material. So, it is just natural they are very close as long they describe the source material. Thats btw a known problem. We had alot series which tried to "overcome the source material". The majority of that tries really failed hard... So, better like this for me.