Bloodstained Is Brilliant - But What's Up With The Switch Port? 

Revz8bit It’s a trash system

@@dialmightyspartangod6717 Not trash but a bastard child sadly :/

MK Yeah That’s more like it

No way, I've seen way better looking games on the switch than this thing. This game should easily run the same resolution or at least look very similar to the PS4 and Xbox one version. This is a 2D side-scroller and the graphics are great but they're not super amazing. This game should easily look the same on the switch. It's so easy to mock the switch for being a weaker console but no one ever thinks about the other good-looking games that are on there right now.

@@dialmightyspartangod6717 The frame rate reduction was expected, I'm sure they confirmed it was going to be 30FPS some time ago and it is fortunately stable for most of the game (the casino boss... I fear how it could be) but needs loading and input latency to be improved badly. Stable 30FPS is borderline okay if they clean up other stuff.

They should've canceled the switch version as well.

@Eevel Ewe the vita wasn't dead when it got canceled

Vita version was cancelled because of scope. Vita is not supported by UE4, and creating a Vita version would require significant development time. The Switch "port" was mostly dialing down sliders in UE4... The low barriers and required effort to release a Switch version is why we are getting fed this garbage ;)

@@heisenbergwhite00 Vita was dead by year 3. So yeah it was dead lol

Gameboy version.

I'm having Killzone 2 flashbacks...

there are people that say they don't feel any input lag in Shadow of the Tomb Raider... so I'm not surprised developers try to get away with this shit nowadays.

Kevboard Arts They're not trying to get away, They've addressed the issue right away, and said their main priority is to patch this version up.

@@bergonath8851 they released it in this state, and I wonder what would have happened if noone criticized the version for it

@@bergonath8851 thank God. At least they didn't just ignore the feedback like the WWE2K18 team.

@Ricky Spanish U.K isn't a strong market for the Switch, expect a bigger gap in the US.

Most ppl know that most multi plat games take some hits on switch version, but are fine doing so for the portable aspect. And also the switch is a notably cheaper system and so a favorable price range for a lot of people

yea they need to send that version to Panic Button so they can show the world once again how to make a proper port.

Oof.

@@nathanb5579 the switch is not cheaper than a Xbox one or PS4 right now , you are trippen .

No vsync is such an underused feature for console ports.

It plays amazing on PC. I have it rendered at 4k and have no problems whatsoever.

@@lazava5150 I could have tried 4k with dlss, but whatever. Nice one.

@@DiegoAlanTorres96 Yes, they should have a disable option absolutely.

My first impression with PC was that it looked blurry and still could see aliased shimmering especially on starting boat, but PCGW supersampling solution fixed that beautifully.

I just got it for switch and jumped in the other day. There's definitely something up with it but it's not unplayable.

Everyrhing is acceptable to nitendrones

​@@snake2106You came here just to say THAT? Touch grass.

@@KayMayhem777 cope

@@snake2106 😂Yeah right. Says YOU who's trolling for attention cuz u simply can't accept how boring and empty ya life is lmao! Again, touch grass 🤡

I hope they fix the issues with the Switch version of the game soon.

@@Mr.GameCrazy I'm sure they will fix most of the game breaking issues, I just hope it doesn't take forever to get there.

@@redfacegaming7727 Same.

It’s a shame how it came out. Considering how well CotM sold on Switch, they REALLY should have made the Switch version a priority.

i bought the game digital and funny enough, i havent got any crashes playing from 7 hours in now. I enjoy the game a lot, i could have buy it on PS4 no problem. I am just for some reason stuck to the switch a bit more lately and portability is my main sold. Its not awful, but it could be better. But so far, i am still having a blast on this game.

@Christopher Simon I enjoyed the gameplay greatly for the little while I was able to play it.

@Christopher Simon It might look boring, but the combat plays very snappy and precise. Combat with enemies are meant to be short and fast in Igavania games.

Gonna wait and see what they can pull off on Switch, as I much prefer games like this there than on PC, but I'll get it on Steam if they can't do much on Switch.

@@erix5184 Just get it on PC. 60fps is never coming to the Switch. I backed it for Switch myself but I refuse to degrade the experience like that. I'm playing 4K native on my PC with zero slow downs. The console versions are a tragedy.

@@erix5184 you mean to tell me that you have a capable PC and you wanted to buy this on the switch instead where the game runs worse by default and cost more? Either you're lying or just plain crazy.

Phil H Xbox one x runs it at 4K 60fps and only loses frames at the towers, that’s far from a tragedy. The other versions I can agree, especially the pro it’s capable of more.

@@TeamGun No, it uses an awful HDR implementation that would require swapping to SDR in the system control panel each time. Hard pass.

Optimization is never easy for any game, and I'd imagine it was an absolute pain in the ass in this case considering the game's development cycle. Still think they should have delayed the Switch version, but alas

@@cacomeat7385 I know, but with the switch case, this game and the Witcher 3, both uses the same tricks to boost performance, but i understand the case for the later, a big open world with a fuckton of things on the screen Vs a metroidvania with 25 things at best on the screen. Looks like the Witcher has 10.000 points in optimization and bloodstained 2 or -500. This gives me the impression that the Iga team has a good amount of ideas but has a very deep lack of expertise on development.

@@Trozomuro You know this is a Kickstarter project, right? They didn't exactly have the AAA budget to optimize the game. They probably even went over-budget just to improve the visual design of the whole thing which, I'm guessing, messed up the optimization further.

But it is.

Unreal 4 is the problem.

@@DeadPhoenix86DP It's a 2D-Game...

@@DeadPhoenix86DP Did you even watch the video, it even runs bad on ps4 and ps pro. Thats so messed up considering my gtx 1060 runs this easly at ultra 1440p, probably even 4k.

I am a switch owner and i get the glory on my PC

They'll never get it in its glory, it will stay shitty 30fps forever on the switch.

It's a shame console owners don't get bloodstained in all its glory

I agree, I really dislike the art style, but will probably check the game out at some point.

I feel the same.

I've got to say I do agree with this. I don't want to sound like an entitled because I actually do love the design of the MC and a lot of the locales in the game but at the same time the textures kind of remind me of Dracula X Chronicles on the PSP which was also 3D and it really didn't mesh well with the setting in my opinion. Granted DX chronicles didn't have proper lighting and that type of thing but I'd be a fool to let that ruin the game for me. I'm happy to have backed the game if it gets me more Castlevania though I hope next time Igarashi gets picked up by a studio like Nintendo or someone who can bankroll these projects for him because it sounds like a stressful run.

I agree with you too. Some areas are simply stunning, but others look just okay. That's the problem though -- it's inconsistent, which makes the less than embellished areas look comparatively worse. It reminds me of people excessively modding their TES games, which do make the games look technically better sure, but also visually busy and jarring when set against the developers' vision. There's some other QoL things I would've liked to have seen, but the game is still new and there's time yet. Look at Pillars of Eternity and how different the game became post-launch.

I agree, I have to say the actual artworks of this game are absolutely gorgeous to the point I wish they just used the 2D character portraits in the cutscenes instead of trying to poorly animate their characters. Not even the talking animation looks good, it's far too stiff. Just make the entire game 2D with sprites and it would've easily look better and age well into the future

I agree they should try to increase that to 1440p. Then again John still prefers the Pro version for stability so maybe leave it as it is and not introduce frame-drops.

I wonder what an optional 1800p mode on One X could do to even out these drops. 1800p still looks really good on a 4K screen and could be a great alternative mode

Memory dude.......Higher resolutions requires bigger frame buffers and Microsoft were clever enough to give X extra RAM to enable it to run at these higher resolutions. It's been mentioned in a few video's now that Pro is held back by lack of any real additional RAM over base PS4.

@@almighty151986 the problem is jot the amount of ram, it is the speed of it. the pro has more than enough ram, the issue is it isn't fast enough/the memory bus is too narrow

What's weird is that I asked a few months ago about 4K on their Kickstarter and they said that both the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X would run at 4K :(

That guys goofy voice seriously cracks me up!

double clicks? wdym?

Same.

As someone who played docked for around 13 hours so far don't let the internet fool you. As the digital foundry video pointed out input lag and some load times are bad but performance is rock solid 30 FPS. I have a PC capable of 4K gaming pretty easy and I don't regret getting the switch version. I love it so far! Sure I wish they could fix the input lag and load times in a few areas but its way better than the internet will have you believe. Also only 1 crash in 13 hours at the very beginning so far.

@Ricky Spanish It doesnt need to be as good as its counterparts, it needs to fix the input latency and bad framerate to be an amazing version of the game, each one delivers things that the others dont, but does are not features, are problems that need to be fixed.

@Shank Adams Yes, hdr is not implemented very well though

It's not at all that simple. Ghost of Sparta used a graphic engine designed specifically for Sony machines. This one uses UE4, which wasn't initially designed for the switch. (Come on! they even say it on the video).

I skipped through some of this but either way, the Switch isn't the answer to a portable modern gaming system.

@@Irochi But still, many games on Switch utilize UE4 to much greater potential. Travis Strikes Again runs at mostly fluid 60fps and at parts looks much better than Bloodstained. This kind of shit makes me real angry, especially since Bloodstained looks like a previous generation game at best.

Okay Phil Spencer.

Its has more than a few framedrops, the xbox one X is very inconsistent and unstable, ps4 pro is the best version.

Heisenberg White Wrong, you can disable 4K on One X so you have even more stable FPS than PS4 Pro and still slightly better graphics.

ps4 pro is the best

@@THELEGEND-wc2xr no its not. This game is better on the on x by far. Native 4k@60 ps4 is not even 4k, it look drab on ps4

Honestly, from what ive seen the beta did not look bad at all, some of the levels and design choices were a little better in a few areas. Wish i could find the beta download anybody know where i can find it?

I don't know.. there's a bunch of people still having issues. Good for you though, right on.

That just isn't true. UE4 is one of the most versatile and commonly used engines in Japan. FF7 Remake, SFV, DBFighterz, Soul Caliber 6, Guilty Gear, BlazBlue all use the engine. This is just bad optimization on the PS4 Pro and Switch from an admittedly small team.

donnieb Yeah, except that even Nintendo developed Unreal 4 games look and run like shit. Yoshi was Unreal 4 and doesn’t run at native resolution in either docked or handheld. If Nintendo can’t optimize a 2.5D side scroller to run well on their own hardware I wouldn’t expect anyone else to either.

@@KHR0M3K0R4N thank you for getting my point. Yeah, I kind of wish that "Good Feel" continued with their in-house developed engine instead. It does work A LOT better than Unreal Engine. Wolly World doesn't exist for the Switch, but I'm pretty certain they would be able to offer 1080p60fps on the hardware, and it would be far more attractive visually than Crafted Worlds

@@KHR0M3K0R4N Maybe unreal 3 engine would have been a better fit. Altho at that point your going have to redesign everything from the ground up.

Why hate to say it?

yeah but devs wanna make money so they try and release on as many consoles as possible and that's why this game isn't very well optimized

@BacKLasH_' SoR You do know that Hollow Knight a game of similar fidelity runs at 1080p/60fps on Switch. I was being conservative.

@@ComfyShortz Similar fidelity to Bloodstained? A 3D game?

@@MrDavidCollins A 2.5D sidescroller see New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe also 1080p/60fps on Switch.

@@ComfyShortz you mean, an exclusive runs great on the Switch? WOW.

Why does everyone jumble up that name? It's not even developed by Sonic Team.

@@orijimi I think it's more to do with the name being similar to Crash Team Racing which also just released and nothing to do with Sonic Team as developers.

Sonic racing stuttering and performance over 60 FPS would be nice to see checked.

Nah just switch games

I played the pc version for over 100hs and it's a dream come true. No lag at all, no delay, no significantly fps drops and my pc isn't a high end one.

have you tried completely rebooting your switch maybe? I know the PS4 can have framerate issues if you have it in standby mode for too long.

I play this game docked 90% of the time and so far its pretty rock solid 30. There was one area before the dragon area that did dip below 30 but it could have been when I was playing it handheld. Honestly after 13 hours I am surprised the game is running as well as it is due to what people have said online, I expected way worse performance. Loading times are very odd, some room its just horrible (~10 seconds) but its so far and few between.

I prefer both. PC.

Tbh the switch port is fine. I been playing it fully on handhend and the only major problem is the 10 sec delay for certain rooms which is annoying if u have to jump up and to the right or left to avoid falling down back into the room.

Green man gaming has the Steam port pretty cheap if you want to save some money.

SegaSaturnSNK I saw the other day but was holding on for the Switch Port. Went ahead and got it from GMG earlier. Thanks though buddy, I’m sure a lot of people will appreciate that price!

Well I HAD hoped from the start that the game would look like the handpainted cartoony concept art they showed on the Kickstarter page, I was therefore heavily disappointed by the semi-realistic textures in the first backer demo.

@@PikaLink91 Same here, the hand drawn nature from the first "what it could be" Bloodstained images looked insane. Even the 2D first presented images for mighty nr9 looked gorgeous, then they went ahead and made it with nasty looking 3D graphics, such disappointment.

@Shadow Bocksin no, the problem is that the Switch is garbage and can't handle ports without drastic cuts. Wake up bro.

@Shadow Bocksin what are worldwide sales like, did you look? Let me help you out: Switch is dead last, lol. Everyone knows that the Japanese love gimmicks, so it's not surprising that they like the gimmicky Switch.

Yeah I'm constantly running off ledges instead of jumping to the next platform due to the lag. It's unplayable at this point. I have to wait for patches before I pick it up back again.

JD Gaming 1050 hm i 100% the game and never experience a crash

The PC version is mostly fine tho, I use an i7 4790 processor with a 1060 6gb and I play the game maxed with no crashes and lag. One cheap thing that can help you avoid crashes is a new cooler when I used the Intel stock cooler my PC crashed after 30 min of playing.

@@strawhatpirates4038 Thank you for responding. You experienced no crashing while playing the game on PC? Maybe I'll do a reinstall. Its just takes me out of the whole experience. I'm on a 2700x, 16gb of ram on a GTX 1080. I don't understand it. I'll setup my backup pc running on dual core, 8gb ram on a GTX 770 to see if I get any issues

​@@strawhatpirates4038 You play the steam, or GOG version? Do you know if there's any differences between them as to how they run? It bothers me so much because I run game much more demanding and don't have issues.

Ehh.... I don't know it seems like 30 FPS is really easy to make with this game. Most of the switch faults are due to the imput latency which is really distracting but super easy to fix.

Yeah, that "gonna go back to play my ps4pro version" comment at the end came out like a shameless plug. Oh got forced to play the game on 4k and that 2fps drop was worse than playing the switch version wahh.

Nah, there've been several people on the Steam forums that also reported problems with the game crashing when reading books or having crashing after x amount of minutes.

"games don't crash on consoles" lulz

i think so. been playing it for 2 days no issues so far.

Like red dead redemption 2? Lol

@@rodrigom7185 lolz

Because it's a full 3D game made with Unreal by a small team without the time and budget of larger teams.

2.5D usually means 3D graphics and 2D gameplay. 2D character movement has nothing to do with performance, the graphics need to be rendered all the same. The only difference is the fixed perspective allowing for more control over what's visible simultaneously. The load on the system would be reduced if the graphics were actually 2.5D, meaning some parts being 2D images like the karts/drivers and items in Mario Kart 64 (you can easily tell because the character models don't turn/rotate smoothly since they aren't actually 3D models but a limited number of pre-rendered shots from different angles). Donkey Kong Country on SNES uses this technique for everything. The graphics look 3D but are technically completely 2D because everything is pre-rendered (you can't move the point of view/"camera" at all because everything is just 2D snapshots of 3D renderings).

They clearly modeled everything out in full 3D at PC-native levels of detail, which is why there's texture detail all the way out to 4K, and why the experience is far superior on the PC version. You can mostly get away with that on the double-dip versions of the Xbox and PS4, but the Switch is running a now 4 year old mobile phone chip.

I was planning a double dip with PC and Switch version. I am holding off on the 2nd purchase for now though. Unfortunate, as I would love to play this during my break times at work.

It did, it outsold the PS4+XBOX version even though it came out a week later.

And especially the latency. Seems like almost every game made in it has this issue...

Ancient company stuck with ancient hardware, refusing to up their hardware game to 2019 standards more like. Nintendo needs to join the modern world.

Dynasty2201 to be fair the hardware was newer when the switch released than what PS4 and Xbox one used when they released. Difference is one is a much smaller console and the others much bigger less efficient.

@@slushg3326 Odyssey doesn't use Unreal.

@@slushg3326 I think Nintendo has their own in-house engines when they make games

Curious to know what your favourite game is if SOTN is 2nd?

@@UWG3 Elden Ring

@@TeamGun Elden Ring didn't exist when this game released... am I missing something, what was your favourite game at the time of initial comment?

@@UWG3 Hmm I'm not sure what I would have been referring to then lol. Probably Metroid Prime or something. I have a bunch of games I hold dear to me: Elden Ring, SOTN, Metroid Prime, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, etc etc. Back then I was on consoles, but I'm PC only now (other than an Ambernic rg405m I use for emulation). What are some of your favorite games?

@@TeamGun To other gamers I've got weird tastes but I'm right there with you as Elden Ring being No.1 at the moment, it used to be Dark Souls 2 in the Soulslike genre and Ultra Street Fighter IV as the best overall. I know this is blasphemy in the metroidvania community but I rank Bloodstained above Symphony of The Night, not for it's story and characters but because the gameplay is... just... so... GOOD! I 100% Bloodstained on all available platforms - Steam, PS4, Xbox One and Android, that's how much the game clicks with me. Other games I played endlessly are Resident Evil 7, Resident Evil 2 remake, 3 remake, Revelations 2, Dark Souls 2 & 3, Sonic Generations, Monster Sanctuary, Both Plague Tale games, State of Decay, Battle Chasers: Nightwar, NFS Shift & Rivals, Shining Force on Genesis Classics - Steam. There's too much to mention but those are off the top of my head

PS4 version is excellent for sure. The Switch version on the other hand, terrible.

Not if you read right to left like all us weebs.

BINGO, thats exactly why.

Enjoy paying full 60$ for """playable""" rehashes

@@raiden_pb I backed it and I'm actually enjoying it. Switch is rough but manageable.

Good question actually. I suspect the way the Switch's clock speed is being handled is similar to the PS Vita's. I wouldn't imagine Developers would be given the option to boost clock speeds in fear of burning out the switch battery. It'd be cool if they could do that though and I'd like to see Nintendo do that for more games on switch.

I bet the input lag is due to some sort of framerate smoothing going on. something PC players might know from their Nvidia control center options... basically the game renders always multiple frames in advance in order to smooth out possible drops, something Sea of Thieves also did on Xbox One/One X, which is why that game too felt like absolute garbage to play. they recently rescued the amount of prerendered frames since the gave it mouse/keyboard support and the game would feel even worse played like that if it still had the input lag. now the framerate isn't as smooth anymore but it feels better to play... it still has some input lag but not as bad as before

Also, on Xbox it didn't list as having an X patch when I downloaded it, so I thought it was just a 1080p60 game, but not that I think about it, it was so smooth and stable in terms of IQ, then I guess I was getting a 4K down-sample and they just forgot to add that data to the store page about there being X enhancements.

I can't think of any multi platform game that was ever better on console.

Lol

Even in the era of Switch, which by the way don't get a lot multi title release that they normal do comparisons for; the comparisons have really just boiled down to lower resolution and texture quality. It only with titles like DOOM2016 that Switch finally get a game that comparison isn't just lower resolution and lower texture quality.

Just because it's a sidescroller, doesn't mean the game engine doesn't render everything in full 3D, which it does. Dumb comment.

@@nickmotsarsky4382 Doom Eternal, the Witcher 3 are coming to switch, dumb port.

Same here. The GoG version wouldn't detect my gamepad, but after switching to the Steam version I've had 0 problems.

What did you expect from DF?

It's the best version. People like to dick measure consoles though...

homebrew it is also Saints Row the Third. I doubt they care about the old game.

Agreed, I'm used to Castlevania's playing at 30 FPS but I'd really like them to tweak the imput lag.

Yes 30fps can be totally fine. Ctr:nf shows it game be completely fine.

I agree. I don't understand people obsessing over the Switch version when you have far better options in the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Portability ? ok I guess.

I haven't had any problems with the xbox one x version.

HossthaDude _ I'm a KS backer and chose the Switch version for portability. I have the Steam version too as a bonus for the beta but started on Switch. Technical issues aside, I'm amazed this game held me captive with its pacing alone!

Did you not see the video? The PS4 Pro is the best console release.

@@hossthadude_252 portability is no good option to me at all its just like 30 hours of fun until things will get dull again. OK today I played the games portable, what's next playing it on the bus or on the toilet to renew my portability experience? 😃 what... am I way too desperate to play video games this bad? I think the portability is only good if you travel too much and the road you're taking is way too long and boring and you need something better than the generic mobile phone gaming to entertain you. way back as a kid I borrowed a Gameboy from a friend of mine I met him in elementary school not to play some games on the go but the fact that there were exclusive games on the Gameboy I read about on gaming magazine I wanted to play so bad and learned that my friend have some of them. anyone can say " well.... you're a Playstation guy so probably you hate a Nintendo's products " even on the Playstation side I'm not a big fan of the PSP nor the Vita, I got the ps1 and currently have a ps3 and a ps4 and even still have my freaking ps2 to this day but didn't have any of Sony's handheld.

Same here, I have over 50 hours of this game, full time on pc, never got any crash

@@DeadPhoenix86DP I find it weird because i have a gtx 1060 , and i can play this game at epic settings at full 4k 60 fps , and no dips in framerate , and the 1060 is about the capacity of the pro

@@DeadPhoenix86DP Not really , its paired with a 3rd gen i5 , the 3470 , and the 1060 is slightly better than the pro but not by much . Actually , ive seen instances where a 1050 ti would outperform the ps4 pro in some UE4 games , like Soulcalibur and SFV and DBZ and even Ace combat 7 , and the 1050 ti is less powerful than the Pro by a large margin , its strange but ive seen it

Very surprised it wasn't even mentioned. Even as a "this is why we are not covering PC" sort of statement.

I can't agree more. After watching John's reviews I always want to play his games! John learned me to appreciate and enjoy 2d games, which I had been ignoring for years.

unreal and lazy port for the switch version

DET Wrath this game still renders the game in 3D even though you only move in a 2D plane. As far as the engine goes this is a 3D game. And as for its visuals, they have nothing retro about them. They’re not 8bit sprites. The Pro was always going to struggle delivering native 4K/60fps like every other Unreal 4 game.

Generally that's just because the devs didn't put enough time to fully optimize the game.

the fact that all of the current consoles are unable to play a 2.5d platformer at 60 fps at 1080p screams out poor / shoddy optimization. Then to release it with bugs that cause the game to reset is a total joke. If this is modern gaming then they can keep it.

@@MrDirkles You remember this is a crowdfunded game right? and was in develoment for wii u, vita, ps4, xbox one and PC now add a Switch version... and again it can be 2.5D but all models and backgrounds are 3D just presented in a 2D way (like almost every fighting game) its a UE4 game its gonna be taxing you guys really need to read a little before talking that much.

MrDirkles amen to that bro it’s a fucking joke

@jvalex18 that's interesting. I've had every console since the atari VCS and never witnessed a game breaking bug on any game that I owned except terra cresta on the c64 but I took that back to the shop and got a refund, try that with your copy of bloodstained. Fast forward to today's consoles and every single game has an update/fix to download before you can even play it. This is because they are unfinished and rushed out, hoping that they can get away without doing the thorough game testing and thereby make even more cash.