Bly won't stop ZERG RUSHING Clem! (StarCraft 2) 

Cause in lore Ghosts are rare and not common at all, it's only in the game where they are far too common. Lore accurate Ghosts for the game would be limited to no more than 5 at a time.

It doesn't help that terran can turtle out the game* until they can get ghosts by using siege tanks, which ALSO stone-walls the obvious ghost counter of more banelings/hydras/roaches *assuming that the zerg player is unable to inflict enough eco damage fast to prevent siege tanks from becoming prevalent

@@GrinchAxel Terran is just turtling and slowly dropping un-contested expansions while getting +3/+3 upgrades to do a no brainer A-move. Turtling and mules are OP. Bly is obviously trying to prevent terrans from expanding while expanding, which is a BW technique and its obvious that it's not working to well. I'm cheering him on and he's executing it very well but terran mechanics won't allow it.

Either they nerf the ghost emp and snipe skill, or they limit the amount of ghost in the field, about 5 should be enough. Or better yet make them consume 10 supply.

@@user-rq5sd9pk8q I think Snipe should just do 0 damage (maybe 25/33/50 percent, depending on balance) vs. Massive. Counter that by giving Thors the same +10/+1 bonus vs Massive on the ground. Make Terran build Thors again, rather than Ghosts being the One Unit to Rule Them All now that banes are ineffective in the late game.

@@user-nh2bf4to7g That would displace the problem on thors countering everything late game zerg by having them smoke all T3 zerg units. Ghosts should be 3pop a piece and have the light tag added to them, just like the other races spellcasters have an armor type making them vulnerable to some attacks. Or nerf their auto attack, there's no reason a spellcaster should have as much DPS as a main line unit (stalker) doubling that against light. Defensively, ghost have the best armor type and the most HP of any spellcaster and cloak on top of that (while being an hard counter to detection). And that's without considering medivacs that allow them to stay alive far longer than other spellcasters. Offensively they hit like mainline units (roach/stalker) and do double that against light with the best type of attack (instant, no projectile) that avoid wasting DPS on overkill, before taking in account their spells. Each countering the whole roster of another race (EMP hit anything protoss for instant 100 damage, deplete energy and reveal cloak / snipe one tap anything zerg that isn't an ultra or brood lord). All that while not costing significantly more than other spellcasters, in fact the y are the cheapest ones gas wise. Oracles cost more than ghost. I don't know at which point we collectively accepted that yeah, one race should be more cost effective and pop effective than the other two but that is some prime bullshit.

Me too. It's so nice to have all these videos ❤️

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Same

Isn't that pretty much true of any sport though? If you're playing basketball you can't call for a timeout for every play, and even in a game with more breaks in between plays like football (the American one) you have to rely on training and called plays; stopping to think is always death. If you want to take your time between every move then play Civ.

Whatever you play will be alright. Go have fun!

Yep, longer games are more fun for sure. There are some exceptions like wild base trades that leaves each player with 1 base that they have to rebuild from scratch and essentially restart the game.

Agreed.

@@shadowpriest2574 I remember that. Remember I had to use a shuttle to taxi probes to an island and get minerals. It was insane.

didnt think id see you here

Mass ghost being a go-to late game answer to Zerg and many Protoss comps gets stale quickly from a viewing perspective if nothing else.

Plat league analysis.

try microing it yourself

​@@hivetech4903 I think the complaints are more that with Ghosts being such a good generic response to late game Zerg units (especially alongside how they are effective vs Protoss as well), it means the Terran has less incentive to respond to the Zerg end-game comps in different ways. This leads to less dynamic, and less interesting to watch, games - where the best games are those where this is a back and forth and having to out-think what the opponent is going to do and what direction they will take their army, etc. Ghosts being universally strong removes some of that interesting tension - and worse, they do it in a fairly boring way, by just having spells that deal a lot of up-front damage that don't really have a shift on how to approach the battlefield (like Storm does, for example).

​@@bricelory9534 I am a Terrain main but I agree, Ghosts seem to have (almost) everything as a response to various army comps vs Zerg and Protoss. But I only base this from the pro games I watch. I don't know what could possibly be done to tweak this a bit. I only remember in SC1, Science Vessels had EMP. Some say the snipe should only be good against soft targets but usually, soft targets are the swarmy ones or spellcasters and EMP is already an option for them. If they're gonna limit the option for snipe to only that where EMP is already good for it then what else is the snipe used for? If they remove snipe then what else is there? Siege Liberators? Then what are Ghosts for then? Just dropping nukes? I'm no ladder player so I have no idea what happens there but some suggestions just sound off at times.

@@crapsound just go full BW and put EMP on the raven and interference matrix on the ghost

I think they are going for the sniper aiming for the only weak spot of the big armored unit, like you know hitting the brain through the eye or idk.

Their mistake was tweaking Zerg based on Serral, not Zerg players. Though I'm a Terran main, I feel the Zerg struggle. IMO I don't think Terran needs a nerf BUT Zerg needs a buff. A Zerff! 😄

@@crapsound This. Thank you!

They would be too good then. 9 Armor? What the hell do you even use to kill that then? Also, spell damage reduction? You understand that Terran won't have any counter to them after that, right?

@@shadowpriest2574 air units would like to have a talk

@@VeMi1337 What, you mean Liberators? Ah....isn't it much for the only counter to the Ultra to be a Siege unit? Also, how would you even force the zerg into anything then? Horrible idea!

Early Lotv they gave ultra a mere +1. It was overpowered.

@@shadowpriest2574oh you mean like how Im forced to make banes against mass marines? Or how about corruptors against the mass BC? Terrans crying about being forced to do anything is a joke when zerg has literally no viable harassment options without going all in.

I feel the same except the other way around. No matter how good the T plays, it still won't matter because Zerg has too many advantages.

That is why it is better to see ZvP

@@shadowpriest2574 Yeah, but your feelings don't seem to be held up with fact, other than Serral, and that's still 50/50 for Z. And Serral is an anomaly. T does everything well, Early, Mid , Late, Aggression, Defense, T is good at it all. LowKo even talks about the late game units of Zerg falling off in todays meta. Every late game Z unit gets smacked by T's mid/late game units. (Even stimmed marines shit on tier 3 Z units) It looks like every ZvT is the Zerg doing everything they can to get any advantage, and the Terran just does basic fundamentals. Build Broods? Okay, a hand full of Vikings which can also just switch from air to ground whenever. Mass any ground unit comp? Welp, 1-2 high ground siege tanks at 4 minutes just eliminates that, even scans on Lurkers makes that cake. BUT GET VIPERS!!! A tier 3 hive unit, that cost 3 supply and can't defend itself to again, Vikings or anything really. Just lost on what it is while watching or playing ladder you're finding Zerg able to do better than Terran is able to do? To me, I always try and blame myself for my losses. "What could I have done to win that game?", this comes easy with ZvZ or ZvP, but with ZvT I find myself perplexed at what SC2 wants me to do with a fully turtled Terran at 3 minutes (besides All-in at 5) who seems to get resources faster than me and mid/late game units just delete mine unless they go mass bio and I get a great Bane collapse on them. Nidus and OV-Drops are so easily defended once out of Plat. Would love to hear what it is I'm missing to sway my mind, it sure would assist with not getting bent up about it in matches.

You must be either 8 years old or very, very bad at this game. "Without any effort?" Play much pro level SC2 recently? Defending Bly's horrible play here?

@@Sketchy-- "T does everything well, Early, Mid , Late, Aggression, Defense, T is good at it all." 1. Could you define your terms a bit? I can guess what those mean to you but they likely don't mean the same to me. 2. All 3 races are fairly good at it all, it just so happens that Zerg is better than the other 2 at everything other than late game against Terran and even then, the beauty of it all is that you don't even have to win the end game to win as zerg, since you can lose your way to victory due to bigger bank and map control. "LowKo even talks about the late game units of Zerg falling off in todays meta. " Right, because that is the trade off of the race for better everything else, from the economy , to map control, to near immunity to any funny business in the mid and late game (like how a single nydus worm can end a game for terran , but terran has no such opportunity . The only way for Terran to win is the hard way), to the cheapest and potentially cheapest harass options and so on. "It looks like every ZvT is the Zerg doing everything they can to get any advantage" They already had all of the advantages, its quite disgusting that they can work harder and get even more..... or that you think that that is fair. They already have map control + more economy + better production + near maphack lvl's of vision + the tools to delay any stronger force from just coming in and killing them (banelings) and many more and you think they need more? Terran has a stronger army in late game because they need to have it. Zerg already has everything given to it on a silver platter, but God forbid they actually have to earn something in the late game. "Build Broods? Okay, a hand full of Vikings which can also just switch from air to ground whenever." Terran does not rly counter them with Vikings as Vikings take production time, its better to kill them with Ghosts. Also, why would the Terran make Vikings? You understand that the Zerg can just switch tech at the drop of a hat, right? The moment the Zerg puts those Brood Lords online, the terran won't rly have any Vikings, it will take time. "Just lost on what it is while watching or playing ladder you're finding Zerg able to do better than Terran is able to do?" I already listed a few. Terran has very few things that it does better than Zerg. The only 2 are the posibility of higher army supply in the late game and the possibility of better army quality in the end game and both of these are possiblities, not guarantees. "but with ZvT I find myself perplexed at what SC2 wants me to do with a fully turtled Terran at 3 minutes " Get more bases, get better tech(Ultras/Lurkers/Brood Lords/Vipers) and roll them? A defensive terran is a dead terran against zerg. You should not even try to attack Terran as Zerg unless you want to all in. If you have better economy and better production, they can turtle all they want, their defense will break sooner or later and if they are turtled up by minute 3, yes it will fall sooner rather than later .

Haven't been in the military and its different country to country but I suspect you don't have access to a computer as you are effectively in training full time even during the evening

There is some free time (especially after basic training) most evenings, during which you can get a permission to go as you please, as long as you return before the curfew. People also might get extra time off if they are competive in sports. I have no idea if esports counts though. It depends on a lot on his service branch/ how far away from the armybase he lives if he is going to be able to continue training or not if he is not granted those priviledges as a pro-athlete.

How old are you, bro?

Could be your tastes are changing, could be a touch of depression (loss of interest in things you once enjoyed.)

I mean if you put Clem up versus bly it is kinda obvious who of them will win no? It would be crazy if someone who basically retired from SC2 to beat the undisputed best Terran outside of Korea.

@@gabrielreinalter2269 well, Bly did the same 3 times and lost 3 times, Clem is good, we all know that. But zergs have no chance against terrans, simply because terrans have all in its kit, they can counter everything the zerg can throw.

@@EmilioJVC Bly is not really a late game zerg though, he had some advantages at time sure but small mistakes just kept adding up and allowed Clem to climb back. However I seriously doubt that he would be able to do the same vs Dark or Solar. And hell Serral was destroying people in late game, remember masters colosseum?

​@gabrielreinalter2269 Serral is the best SC2 player in history, so we understand when he wins. Dark and Solar are not, so we understand that they won't. The real problem is Zerg is balanced around Serral. Six months from now, we'll realize Zerg is winning about as many majors as Protoss did in 2022-2023.

DUHHHH. Bly failed his cheeses and you expect the rank 50 player to win Vs rank 2? 😂

It’s a lowko joke , he’s been calling queens that forever he gives them old lady names when there more then one

Its because Lowko's friend and commentator WinterSC loves to pretend sc2 queens are old grannies because they use to be able to fly in broodwar now they are grounded and crippled unless they are on creep, also they use sowing needles for their attack.

Are you serious? Its Protoss that have weak late game while Zerg End game is slightly weaker than Terran, but they can afford to lose significantly more.

​@@shadowpriest2574 you need to manage 100 more things in zerg late game, so the margin for error is much larger.

You can make a case for late game against terran, but zerg late game destroy the protoss one. Please, try to be a little impartial. Just a little.

@@polca4love zerg late game is 20x harder to control.

@@Nova_Jan Its hard to control, but you can lose more and its not that much harder to control than the Terran one.