Two quick notes - at least on my screen the Alexa looked overly magenta on just about all the shots. And 2ndly - how can you do a "low light test" and not even MENTION ISO??? The P4K performs differently at each ISO. Noise and dynamic range vary a tremendous amount. Kinda important to know exactly what ISO you were shooting at for each shot.
Tor Johansen hi Tor! Thanks for watching. What screen are you watching on? We graded here on our Flanders Scientific and it looks accurate on the Alexa. The cameras were shot at Native ISOs. Alexa is 800. BMPCC 4K is 400.
Those were my thoughts exactly. I'm thinking they just wanted to do a straight out of the box comparison to let buyers know what to expect and/or what extra they may want to purchase to make the bmpcc4k operable.
Rodney Cooper Filmz hi Rodney, yes more or less. We tried to keep the comparison as close as possible filming the cameras side by side. And we did not bring either footage into resolve to grade it. Just the basic rec 709 LUT was applied to each.
@@FilmJams I figured that just by watching the side by side comparisons. Anyone watching should know of the bmpcc4k capabilities when edited and properly corrected & graded.
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Thank with the test. With respec, Why Color look off? ARRI-Sky looked magenta, BMPCC4k look Green? Why you did not shoot both in RAW then Change WB ISO to match in resolve?
visalapol nutavej thanks for watching! This test was about showing how the cameras compare without any correction - just rec 709 LUT. We do have an upcoming video that will take a look at how to match these two cameras tho so stay tuned :)
Film Jams no I’m saying the lut was made for arri alexa and not for the pocket, I’m not saying the pocket is trash either. All I’m saying is the lut was awful on the pocket 4k. Use buttery films rec.709 lut
Miguel Castro the buttery LUT looked worse. We tried about 10 different LUTS including shooting test footage before we did the review. Even BM own LUTS did not look as good as the ARRI LUT.
For me Bmpcc4k wins...50times less money....light....and amazing cine quality,,...technical things are aside....we all knw...if the actors and story is good...job is done....normal people are not pixel peeper....blackmagic is cheaper.....really budget friendly...a good cinematographer and colorist can bring life to any footage. And we all knw thats the truth.
Yeah it’s pretty amazing the tools we have today to compete with the bigger brands and more expensive cameras. I think the BMPCC4k is a crazy good deal and have seen some amazing stuff shot on it. Like you said it’s all about the story ...and the skill of the DP and colorist can make it shine!
Film Jams yeah true..i shot a music video on bmpcc 4k will post next week...clients love the footage cme out of this camera....people complain abt battery life and all....its a cinema camera..we r paying for brain and color science...at this point u r getting this quality...thats insane
Prefer the Pocket color. Theres not a green cast in the raw footage.. But the LUT's Blackmagic offered aren't usable or fair. I would use Buttery LUTS Natural rec.709 for a lut comparison
We used some sort of 3rd party LUT. Can't remember which one it was, but it was Rec709. Honestly looked better by adding the Arri LUT. I prefer coloring from scratch in Davinci. Most LUT packs you can buy are not optimized, and can actually do more harm to you footage. I also prefer the color of the P4k ;)
The Dangerous Brew i agree on your take with luts but the butteryfilm luts is made not by some random. He actually works with arri alexas for big companies and his lut is an amazing starter. Its an actual rec.709 lut
Great review guys! I'm an Arri fan but it's incredible what the BMPCC4K can do. Could I trouble you for a download link for a couple of secs of ungraded footage from both (CU of girl in the park) to bring into Resolve? Really intrigued to see how close they can get with my workflow. Cheers for the comparison anyway!
James Cook thanks for watching James! Same here. ARRI fan but really cool to see some new disruptive technology. Sure I can send you a link to some ungraded footage. I think our email should be on the about page. Just send a note and we’ll send next week. 😆🤘
They are the same optical formula, one is just in a cinema housing. But yes our new test is using the same lenses (Sigma 18-35). It's just tough to get 2 of the same exact lenses sometimes. Thanks for watching!
Yeah it pretty amazing. Especially when shooting in Arri RAW - it’s one of the few cameras you can film in direct sunlight and still looks good even without a silk overhead. Thanks for watching the vid!
I always loved Blackmagic cameras since first came out. I used Canon and Sony, now I got my first BM as Bmpcc4k. I can clearly say that; if BM was not appear, with Bmpcc OG at 2013, we could not afford these kinda cameras ever. BM rules the market indeed. They really makes high-end cameras with very cheap prices. After all these years some brands can bring 10 bit and raw to their mirrorless-shape cameras and they almost are expensive than Bmpcc4k :) Beside this topic, there is sensor, color palette and low-light differences here in video. Arri's sensor more cinematic out of the box (like Bmpcc OG). Bmpcc4k more crisp, sharp at 4k res. But when you think about cost difference...
Hey there! Thanks for watching and commenting. I agree it’s very good that Blackmagic started making cameras. It certainly shook up the industry with giving us things like 4k and 6k RAW for a fraction of what other companies were charging. The Pocket 4K is impressive and we also did a video comparing the pocket 6k to a Alexa Mini and I think they got it even closer with that camera to the ARRi color science. Good times for us as filmmakers! 😆👍
Never seen any of your videos before, but I love the energy. Very entertaining! In terms of the cameras, they are so close that there's no way I'd pay 50x more for the Alexa. I just bought me a BMPCC4k and I'm super stoked about how good it looks!
Here's The Skinny hell yeah! Thanks so much for the comment. And totally. The BMPCC 4K is amazing. Couldn’t believe how good it looked next to the Alexa. Enjoy it!! 😁🤘
Clout9Cinema thanks for watching! We have a legit low light test coming this week. We recorded both dual native ISOs on both the BMPCC 6K and 4K cameras. Much more in depth.
@@jdsmedia You might like the BMPCC 6K vs Alexa video we just did. The low light actually beats the Alexa. Pretty incredible! Here's the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1u5sCIWcekA.html
@@jdsmedia Haha awesome thanks Joel! It really is crazy how close they are. I was surprised....and had to put an order in for a 6k of course right after!
Any chance to also get access to the original RAW/Log footage from the Alexa and BMPCC 4K (for testing purposes only, no publishing)? I would appreciate so much!
The BMPCC 6K would be a killer camera but the motion just does not look cinematic at all (Not talking about this video just my experience with it) People have said that the original bmpcc looked much more like a cinema camera than the 4k and 6k and that's because of the cameras capture motion. For example red and alexa camersa have that organic film like motion just like the old bmpcc used to have but the new 4k and 6k aren't even close... Bmpcc 6k looks much more like a video and i really hate that they took the amazing motion away...
@@FilmJams Totally but still for the buck you pay i don't think i would pay for the Alexa to get almost the exact same image...Many of my friends who don't understand nothing about cameras couldn't really spot the difference😂 But we all know the Alexa is king! Great video btw👍🏼
Thanks for the comparison, I noticed that bmpcc 4k had noticeable green tint, was the white balance manual 5600, if so, is the tint there always? Another big difference was rolling shutter.
For sure! Yes they were both balanced the same to daylight. The BMPCC does have a green tint. May be partly due to the ND filter. But it is slightly more green naturally than the Alexa in my tests. Thanks for watching!
I'm curious how the color of these shots would compare if you used Resolve Color Management or ACES instead of Rec709 LUTs. I have been experimenting with Resolve Color Management (see Avery Peck's amazing video on this workflow) and am trying to steer clear of LUTs until I can learn a little more. I own the BMPCC4K but am still very jealous of the overall look of the Alexa.
Cool! I will check that out. I'm sure you'll have a lot more control with the Resolve Color or ACES, but this test was just a down-n-dirty to see how the two look straight out of camera. The Alexa is definitely nice, but it's amazing how close the Blackmagic 4k comes. After messing with it in Resolve a bit, I got them both to match pretty closely. Anyway, thanks for watching! :D
Did you guys use an ND on the BMPCC? You must have. Was it a fader Nd? Solid? High quality or not? It has tinted the whole image green vs the Alexa which looks magenta. Wish you had used the same ND on both for a fair test. The colours were totally different on both cameras throughout this test. Alexa clearly has more dynamic range and better rolling shutter though.
Oliver Kember - hi Oliver thanks for watching. We used internal ND on the Mini and B&W solid ND (not variable) on the BMPCC. They are a high quality screw on ND. When I’m actually shooting these are the NDs I use. Think of this more as a real world test. I don’t shoot with a matte box when I’m using smaller cameras as the whole point for me anyway is to have a smaller rig - I don’t think the results would be much different as I have a set of a Schneider 4x5.65 NDs and did camera test with those and they were very similar to the B&Ws.
Why are the clouds pink on the Arri? The Arri has a magenta cast and BMPCC a green cast, but that shouldn't be a concern if you grade... Must say I preferred the BMPCC4k photage
Yes ARRI has a slight magenta cast in the highlights. But like you said it’s an easy fix in the grade. Interesting to hear you preferred the pocket 4K! I do like some of the shots on the 4k, but the skin tones and slow mo I liked better on the Arri. On our pocket 6k test tho I preferred many of the 6k shots over the Arri.
Haha! Thanks really appreciate it, and glad you're enjoying the content Ruben! It's hard to save money these days - so many good cameras and accessories keep coming out! Ahhhhhh!
@@pascaldeshayes5459 haha you do realize that you can definitely improve your skin tones with it in post. I'd rather have dead skin in raw that the overly magenta color you get with the Arri
While it looks great for the price, it’s def not just the skin tone or lighting but how the camera captures movement. The footage of the girl walking with the Alexa could be ripped almost straight from a Netflix TV show, while the footage on the right is more comparable to a low budget porno film or student film. And I think therein lies the difference. You’re paying for that look because it’s that look that feels the nicest and highest quality, and people can tell, whether consciously or subconsciously. Just rent the Alexa and call it a day, if the budget can handle it.
PandaThiefChannel there's definitely something special about the motion cadence on the Alexa. I think you're right, it also may be a bit of an unconscious thing we notice. Thanks for watching!
mimotan it’s coming :) thanks for the reminder. We’re working on it. We’re also going to include the footage matched up for a future episode. Hold tight!
Scandi-Cool Media - the B&W is my favorite of the screw on ND filters I’ve tried. Cleanest and least color shift - if any. Her name is Tetiana. She in a lot of our videos.
Thank you for the test, but two things: 1. You mentioned how sharp the bmpcc 4k is. For movies and most music videos, that's the opposite of what you want. Alexa not being too sharp is by design. I always soften my bmpcc 4k footage to look cinematic. Basically, it has to come down to 1080p levels. You're supposed to use the "soften & sharpen" Resolve plugin for that, along the midtone detail, and some blurring at 0.53. That makes the details become "thicker", that resemble better how film is supposed to look (if you're after the filmic look that is, and not the video look). Alexa does that automatically. 2. You shot the bmpcc 4k at 400 iso for the low light scenes. You said you did that to keep the field level between the two cameras, but the bmpcc is different than arri, having two native isos. They are MEANT to be used. So by not using that feature to shoot at 1600 or 3200, it's like saying "I'll test speed, but I'll block my ferrari to 60 miles per hour just to level it with my Fiat". That decision made no sense. Either a camera has a way to get a better low light than another camera, or it doesn't.
Eugenia Loli - hi Eugenia! Thanks for watching and for your comments. My Arri is still very sharp despite being cinematic. And I still put a Hollywood Black Magic filter in front of it for shooting people sometimes. But I don’t always want that look. Shooting for nature docs and the like, we want sharp. There’s a reason why manufacturers have lens test charts to see how sharp lenses are. Sharpness is definitely something I personally want a lot of the time. I don’t always want the soft vintage look. I get that it’s popular now. But it’s not always my choice. And keep in mind these tests are for reference so you can see the differences and make those personal choices. As for your second point the BMPCC actually was granier at the higher native ISO. Do some research on the dual ISOs. The higher one isn’t always cleaner. It depends how much light is in the scene. We chose the best look to make each camera look their best. Thanks again for watching and feel free to send a note if you have any other questions/thoughts/comments 😁👍
@@FilmJams Film Jams you are somewhat wrong. You shot at 400 iso and then adjusted the exposure in post to raise it. As it's raw you can change the iso value even after shooting. However Black Magic themselves specifically state that you should completely skip iso 800 and 1000 and just use 1250 as this will provide a cleaner result. There are dozens upon dozens of videos demonstrating this online as well. Shooting at 400 and pushing up two stops like you did is not an efficient use of the camera. 1250 would have been much cleaner.
Joshua Son where does Blackmagic say that? Would love to see a link. We have done 5 or so videos on the BMPCC- all with a Variety of Different ISOs and tests to show different scenarios. Maybe it wasn’t helpful for you but we’ve had a lot of folks that seem to enjoy the tests. If they weren’t helpful for you then move along cowboy. 😘
@@FilmJams It's in the official User manual for the Bmpcc 4k on page 43. It specifically says if you are at iso 1000 to stop down or reduce light somehow to go to iso 1250 as it provides, and I quote "much cleaner results.". You shot your test at 400 and pushed it more than a stop before you did the close-up comparison. You absolutely were in the range Black Magic would have recommended jumping to iso 1250 and many users have shown video tests where 1250 is even cleaner than 800. As to the purpose of my comment? Pointing out something you did in the hope you wont do the same thing next time.
Optically they’re the same lens. Just different exterior housing. If we had exact same housings we would have used but didn’t have available when we were filming 😉
The green cast of the P4K looked more pronounced when shooting outdoors. Im thinking this was more of a result of the VariND you used? VariNDs do generally have a green cast to them.
@@FilmJams that's really strange...I've definitely never had a green cast on mine. Only when putting some crappy tiffen NDs on it. Was there still a cast on the indoor stuff when you took it off?
@@travissawyer2304 If you watch til later in the video, we do compare the two cams inside without NDs. You can see the BMPCC is still slightly greener. A little tougher to tell as the footage is darker and we shot against a red brick background. The ND could possibly have added some green to the BMPCC footage outside. I think that may be our next video - shooting with and without NDs to see how they affect color!
Film Jams The WB isn’t set properly. Normally, the P4K doesn’t have that green cast at all (most of the time, it has a magenta cast, which is the opposite). The Alexa is the one well known to have slight green cast sometimes. A custom WB using a reference greycard would have been ideal. If you used simply set the WB manually by dialing the same Kelvin value on both cam... they won’t match at all (even though it should). A custom WB using a greycard will also correct the G/M shift (which every camera manages differently)
David L'Abbée as we stated in some of the other comments on here already this test was to show what both cameras look like straight out of camera. Alexa and BMPCC were both set to the same WB settings. Both white balances were set the same to Daylight.
@@HYUGE But the Alexa look is derived from the look of film. They spent years engineering the Alexa's chip and color science to get as close to the look of film. That's why it looks so good. Highlight rolloff, clean blacks, the color of skin tones. It's something few other camera manufacturers can recreate but Blackmagic is making good headway. Just see how the newer BMPCC 6K compares to the Alexa - I think it's getting very close: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1u5sCIWcekA.html
white balance or color grading problem? Alexa as to much red and Bmpcc too much green.. reshot WB adapted to have neutrality color. On my Bmpcc 1080 i have a better color than both here.
777PROJEKT these are straight out of the camera. We have other videos where we match them. The purpose of this one was to show how the footage looks out of camera. Thanks for watching! Can u share the video you shot that’s better? Would like to see the exterior footage you have straight out of camera.
@@FilmJams all right so i will watch this! you say without color grading? cuz it's just flat and nutral, i have 2 shots i can upload right now but they are graded
777PROJEKT ahh ok. Yeah if u have any footage in the future that looks better straight out of camera would like to see. I’d like to compare it to the color of the sensor on this one.
Auto WB? Never used it. But thanks for watching! This video is specifically about “straight out of camera” as it says. Now if you watch this other vid you’ll see where we match Blackmagic + Arri and even give you the formula how to do it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1u5sCIWcekA.htmlsi=MR-QIpLEeIBFvmmA
Although the BMPCC4K seems to hold up pretty nicely with the arri alexa, the Arri win over on image quality on every aspect. the low light test is a joke of course. the skin tone are no match. aver all the color are way more natural with the Alexa, no question. but again it worth +/-50 times more...
Thanks for commenting! Yes that’s what we gathered from it too. It’s pretty amazing that a $1300 camera can be in the same realm. And after Color correction, they are much closer. But yes sticking with Arri when we can and have budget for it! But the BMPCC is a pretty amazing tool for the price.
I've shot with both cameras on the same shoot for the same film, and there really is no comparison. The Alexa mini blows the BMPCC out of the water in real life shooting situations.
@@FilmJams The Alexa can create great images with a minimum of fuss. Lighting can be less than perfect and it still looks good without doing anything to it. BMPCC needs much better lighting, anything that goes off and the whole image goes off. Also you have to go in and really color correct it, to get it to look good. To get them to match, it requires a lot of work. I like both cameras, but saying they are the same is like saying a Porche and an Mazda are the same because both have four wheels and an engine. The money you spend on the Alexa goes into the improved tech.
@@hale1471 for sure! We own both :) did we say they’re the same? I disagree about matching them. I have a customized LUT I created in a few minutes that matched them. You can see it in our Pocket 6K VS Alexa Mini video - we used basically a combo of the Buttery LUT and just a minor green adjustment and they’re very close. I’d be happy to share our settings with you if you ever need help matching them to save you some time! Now motion cadence and dynamic range are always going to look better on the Alexa sensor in my opinion. But if you have the ability to control your lighting you can keep your highlights from clipping on the Pocket.
@@hale1471 , it’s not worth the extra for the Alexa no matter how you twist and aggregate the claims. ARRI has a good relationship with most directors/producers so by default they get the upper hand. Otherwise, RED and Sony would be trailing much closer than they are now. It’s all about loyalty with directors/producers and their cinematographers in which I totally respect. On the other hand and illustratively speaking, ARRI is no different than AVID in the way they charge. ProTools is an “industry standard” only because of loyalty and familiarity but when it comes to stability, UI, and hardware support/efficiency the DAW is primitive. That’s why the company has subscriptions like Adobe. BM has yet to reveal why they stopped using Fairchild sensors (filmic sensors) but I’m pretty sure it’s because ARRI was just as butt hurt as RED with the RAW vs ProRes situation. ARRI didn’t release a digital camera until they where confident it rendered a film-like result. BM did that with a $1000-$5000 cameras and although they suffer from smaller sensor in low-light the results where enough to clearly send ARRI concerned. Also, are you comparing ProRes or RAW? Improved tech? To what extent? All I see is a larger sensor with ARRI but there maybe more. ARRI is better than BM and respectfully so but it’s not a $50,000 difference. I seriously doubt the ARRI cost more than $3000 to fabricate. It’s not a space rocket and DSLR/Mirrorless cameras likely have more advanced hardware than ARRIs cheapest option. Let’s be honest, they only charge that because they….can. Even low-budget films make ARRIs rental prices and/or prices in general make a small dint in production cost.
@@captureinsidethesound You don't need to spend 50000 on an Alexa. I have shot with both cameras side by side, and the Alexa blows BM out of the water. But people are fixed in their opinions, so enjoy your BM.
Great videos guys, finally a good comparison test with the BMPCC4k where one of the cameras is not out of focus or the tests are some inanimate object or trees or some weird stuff.
thanks to you guys for taking the time to do such a great test. I love seeing footage of people moving in real time an not just slow motion or some animal or building. I would love to see pocket 6k against the alexa mini. I believe the 6k has better color than the 4k, so I wonder how it would fare against the alexa.
@@krishnataveras8734 You're in luck, we just completed ouor Pocket 6 vs Alexa Mini video. Much closer results. Here's the link if you'd like to watch: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1u5sCIWcekA.html
Oh wow (sarcasm) .. a $50,000 camera looks a little better than a $1,300 one .. I’ll save my money and go with the $1,300 one. I don’t really see what amounts to a $48,700 difference in image quality (I know the ARRI is built for heavy production use and that comes with a heftier cost). Fun comparison though.
Thanks for watching! It is interesting to see how these newer camera companies are putting the heat on the old dogs with this new tech. Pretty amazing for a $1300 camera for sure! Back in my day, I had a pin-hole camera and a bag o chips! And I was happy!
If the bmpcc 4k is a "starter " cinema camera - then the Arri Alexa must be the worst value camera on earth. I found the test footage a littke too contrasty with ocersaturated greens, but easy to fix in post. Great video guys and gals
Dude is better to use Color Transform Plugin in DaVinci Resolve and transform the footage from BRaw to Arri-log and you will have pretty much the same color.
Thanks! We have some videos comparing the BMPCC 4K to the 6k. Haven’t compared the 6k to Alexa yet tho but we are planning to and to do an Anamorphic test soon too with the Atlas Anamorphic lenses on the 6k.
the color in arri looked beautiful in my mac, the pocket loocked greenisg, I was surprised how much noise the pocket had in low light I though it was gonna be the oposite since arri is not suposed to be low light camera, i believe you did not use the other 3200 native iso of the pocket cause that would be another story.
This was really entertaining! I'm not sure how useful it was, as the results were just so far off (entirely different skin color etc) - were they dialed into the exact same color temp? Is the ND contributing to the differences? I'm wondering also whether IR is interfering. It's rather odd, and you seem to be ignoring the incredible difference between them in the video... I mean you mention it but I would be like OH MY GOD SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG ;-)))
(oh another "by the way" - I'm seeing chromatic aberration on the Pocket in the footage.. It's an L lens and its a Metabones speed booster, which are both great quality... so I'm not sure where that's coming from. Also when stuff (like forest) is fully out of focus next time, can you mention in your videos if its just a mistake or an issue with the actual equipment? :-)))))
Hey there! Thanks for the comments and for watching. I think for us we were just so impressed that the sharpness and dynamic range was so close. Yes the color is off but they are completely different sensors so we actually expected that. We did match them in an upcoming video pretty closely tho so you’ll be able to see this same footage color matched. The point of this test was more a “how do they perform out of the box”. Yes we did use an ND on the BMPCC and yes it likely added some coloring to the footage. Anyway thanks for subbing and hopefully we’ll have some more helpful vids for ya on the future. We did do a Black Magic 4k vs 6k video that you might find more helpful!
The TC Canon L lenses have chromatic aberration- especially when in high contrast settings. As far as “forest out of focus” - can you clarify what you mean? Thanks!
Charles Metsujin hi there! Yes we definitely have other videos where we match the cameras but this one was all about what comes directly out of camera without any correction. Thanks for watching!
Very entertaining format, very well produced. But the colours, i dont get it. Guy says:“ the look pretty similaire“ - in front of me two complete different pictures. The arri has way too much magenta and the black magic way too much green. Watched at a X300 v2 Sony...
Hi Sunny! Thanks for watching. I think what we meant was that they looked similar in terms of resolution and quality. The white balance was set the same but each sensor resolves colors differently. I think they also meant that they were able to match them in editing. We didn’t do any color matching or correction to the footage in this video. Footage is straight out of camera. But we were able to match them really closely in post using Resolve. Hope that helps clarify!
Film Jams Hey thx for the fast responce , thats a good info that there was no colour correction. I love the Arri footage, its so crisp and have so much more live in it compared to the hard image of red cameras. But in terms of value, the black magic is a bomb !
I dont expect the test to be valid Because when one does not know that he is using metabones XL which gives it a full frame look and says that its giving it a super 35 look and The guy who is operating BMPCC4K does not know how to white balance and tint it properly among other things.
Ricky Bhat I understand you didn’t like the test Ricky! And that’s ok. Some people like caramel, others guacamole! But yes the cameras were white balanced and tinted. And keep in mind NDs must be used outside on the BMPCC- which add a tint to the footage. This is a real world test meant to show what you get straight out of camera. If you’re looking for a color matched video, this is not it but we do have other videos that show that. Hey have a good one chief and go shoot something great today!
@@FilmJams what about super 35 sensor equivalent using metabones xl 0.64? Rest its not that i didn't like the test bro.. but when facts are put wrong in the start, then how can we expect that everything that follows is perfect. We have seen many bmpcc 4k footages perfectly white balanced and they are far more good looking than this.. i think you did not like my pointing out the mistake in your video.. but then we all are learners.. we make mistakes and learn from them.. there were many things in your video to be learned too. Peace..
Ricky Bhat well you should read up on crop factors because an XL does not give you full frame on the BMPCC 4k. If you’re going to try and point out an error, out at least read about the topic first. The XL is a .64 crop. The BMPCC is a 2x crop. Multiply those and what do you get 1.28x crop. That’s not full frame. Full frame is 1.0x crop. And who’s to say those other videos you saw didn’t color correct those images to make them match better? We know how to white balance. And we know the crop. It sounds like you do not tho :) thanks again for watching. I understand everyone needs to learn somewhere and hopefully Film Jams can help you a little on your way! Cheers!
@@FilmJams there is nothing wrong in admitting one's mistake. Go on the metabones site.. they themselves claim that XL 0.64 gives 1.22x crop on BMPCC4K that is near to full frame sensor not super 35.(as you too admitted in above comment). And secondly you dont seem to know about BMPCC4K as much as you claim to know. It does not have 2x crop factor.. it has 1.9x. Brother I can see nothing but arrogance in your replies. And your arrogance is telling me that there is nothing to be learned from you guys. Thanks.
Ricky Bhat Ricky Bhat dude....1.22x - still not full frame! C’mon man! Arrogance- is not accepting you’re wrong. Like you coming on our page claiming the XL gives the BMPCC a full frame look! That's incorrect! You’re spreading bad info to people who want to learn here. Full frame is 1:1 - not 1:1.22. If you don’t know what full frame is, that's ok. Just please stop trying to confuse people. And it seems in fact that you are the one above people correcting YOU. If you’re going to come on our page and comment about specs at least research what you’re talking about please.
Я купил специальный набор для этой камеры и он очень близко переконвертировал ее цвета в ARRI) Я стал еще намного ближе к ARRI)))) Особенно, когда появилось новое поколение Gen5.
Yeah these are straight out of camera. I typically do a bit of minus green always on my Mini. If you check out BMPCC 6K vs Alexa video we color corrected them to match so might be easier to compare with a grade. This test is a SOC test not a grading test.
Maybe you misunderstood the test. As we say in the video the footage we show is “straight out of camera - no grade”. If you want to see the Alexa color matched to the Blackmagic Pocket 6k we do have a video where we match them you can check out here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1u5sCIWcekA.html And if you’d like to download the RAW clips we do have links to them below the video on our Patreon account.
@@FilmJams Nothing i can't hear about, I just followed your link and bim, alexa's footage magically became "greenish". I don't put you on a trial for that, and BMD made a lot of progress since first BMPCC's. But you can not compare unfairly those cameras. Best to you guys
Dimitri Borget which camera do you mean? This test or the other link? And what’s unfair about the test? We always try to make them as fair as possible. Keep in mind this video is “straight out of camera” and the other video link I sent is “corrected”. Thanks for stopping by the channel!
You managed to make both cameras look bad, you shot in the wrong white balance/tint settings... and the low light scene??!! Don’t get me started on the lighting 😂
@@FilmJams you're gona say you shot raw??? still you used the wrong color temp whether you shot in prores with baked color temp or set in post. What I could tell you is that i know people who could get prettier shots on an old sony mirrorless 8 bit camera - ps. your arri shots are heavy on magenta (which is far from how an ARRI would produce ) and Black Magic has a heavy green tint (which is wrong and it's not the camera's fault).
These shots are straight out of camera. They’re not graded. That’s not the purpose of this test as we state in the video and in the description below it. If you don’t like the looks of the cameras or have a preconceived notion of how a camera looks...it’s obvious you’re not as knowledgeable as you probably think you are. I shoot with these cameras every day. And without grading this is exactly what they look like. The cameras were both shot at daylight white balance for the outside shots. And if you look at the screens on the cameras you can even see that. Don’t quit your day job Clive! 😂
@@FilmJams not anymore.... few years and Arri be will died. 100% will be died. It is same as film was died and now we have digital filming. Arri expensive model of bussines will die too. BMD is like Elon Musk, but in film industry.
@@nicke.3536 Well that comparison doesn't make sense. Most Teslas are more than other cars. And Blackmagic is generally less than other cinema cameras like ARRI and RED. ARRI will always be around in film, though. They have filmmaking in their DNA. But, I'll gladly bet you $5,000 they'll still be around in 5 years. Want to take that bet? I have an intermediary Escrow agent that can setup the bet!
@@FilmJams I will not accept it only for one reason. Arri as RED have a strong lobbying in Hollywood and in film industry. Even, if BMD will be better soon (can't say when, 3 or 5 years), than any of Arri cameras, Arri will still to have their own market in Movie industry, but less and less and finally will be died or changed dramatically their price tags. We all seen it with Sony in past (price tags dropped from $80-200k to around $20-50k price tag ) I already don't see reasons to buy Arri cameras, except real production for big screen or only for very special projects. p.s.: but let me think, may be I will accept your offer ;-)
@@nicke.3536 ARRI is used because DP's choose it. Has nothing to do with Lobbying. If I had the choice of any camera, I'd pick an ARRI, and I know most DP's would as well. If you have a big budget, why wouldn't you choose an ARRI? I'm ready for the bet when you are!
Way way superior Arri because of how it responds to highs, blacks and skin tones. Also sharpness and texture. Good review it shows why ARRI are so expensives.
Thanks! Appreciate you watching and commenting! I agree the ARRI skin tones are hard to beat. Made me fall in love with it when we shot our first short on an Amira a couple years back: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OPeEfq2cDbE.html
There was no color grade. If you watch the video, you’d see that these are straight out of camera. That was the point of the video. We’re not showing how good they can look with a color grade - or how well they can match. Though we do have those videos as well. This is a “straight out of camera” test.
@@FilmJams 1- you dont name the iso setting you are using.. 2 - the big benefit of the bmpcc in this case is the dual iso, and you dont talk about that at all or compare it with the alexa
Nacho Farias we did name the ISO. We clearly state “native ISO” for each camera and we also mention that the higher dual native ISO was granier on the BMPCC. It’s all in the video friend :)
@@FilmJams I dont seem to find where you say that. Can you tell me? the only thing I hear is that you are shooting at 4k 422hq and f2.8. Besides that, you show a test in which the "result" of pushing the footage to reach a correct exposure (clearly pushing it more than needed on the bm) shows the alexa as "the winner", which is really deceiving considering that the alexa is known for not being exacly good in really low light (at 1280 you start seeing noise)
@@nachofarias785 They were both shot at their native ISOs. The BMPCC was not pushed more. Not sure why you think anything in this test is deceiving, but sorry you feel that way. Our goal was to make both cameras look their best, and that's what we did. Not sure where you heard the Alexa Mini isn't good in Low Light, but it's the cleanest camera I've ever used in Low Light - the blacks are super clean. There's a reason it costs $50,000. This is the video I was thinking of where we compared the ISO settings on the 4k to the 6k BMPCC: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JKNDH0xVJCU.html
the sky was red the entire time with the Arri, had to be user error, i can't ccept any other reason. Also, Im sure gen 5 will handle those highlights a lot better on the pocket 4k.
Haha of course they were white balanced. This is how the cameras look without any correction - you’re seeing green and magenta shift. That’s not from a white balance issue 😀👍
Mathias Tegtmeier we did use a color chart. And you can see our other videos where we match them. This video was specifically about comparing them straight out of camera. Have a good one.
Joshua Son that’s what the cameras see ol chap! You can check out our other videos where we match them in Resolve. This is only straight out of camera with the Rec 709 LUT. Thanks for watching !
@@ChristianCashmir I'm aware that you didn't color match them. But it's funny that you pointed out the slight green cast of the Black Magic while accepting the HUGE magenta cast on the Arri as if it was normal. Also who cares what they see? Nobody has ever asked for a comparison without grading on RU-vid. Every video like this you see thousands of comments complaining about the lack of grading, or iso tests where they don't adjust the brightness etc. And you always see the RU-vidr making the same excuses. Oh well this test wasn't to show how the cameras actually compare. It was to show how it looks without grading. Something nobody gives a damn about in a test. You could have easily included a quick color matching grade and the video would have been more informative and made the people in your comments section much happier.
Joshua Son I’m not sure what you’re looking to do with your comment but it’s clear you have a better vision than our team, so maybe you should go do it on your channel. And maybe you’ll get a few more subscribers :) 5 is a good start!
Jay Freeman the 50mm 1.2 and the 50mm T1.3 lenses are the same optical formula. The Canon CN-E Cine Primes are rehoused L lenses. They are also color matched as all Canon L lenses are. And all lens tests we shot were between f/2.8 to f/4 where any difference in sharpness would be negligible or non-existent. So yes we are serious. Are you serious? ;)
I think the camera guy never work with both the camera professionally. BMPCC is good but ARRI Alexa is "GOD" in ARRIRAW format. I've regularly shoot & grade on BRAW & ARRIRAW. There is no chance of comparison. Do not block or erase my comment.
Why would I block your comment? It's hilarious and uninformed! I want everyone to see it. I might even pin it for a week or so! You do know these shots are SOOC right? And of course I use and own both of these cameras on a daily basis - more so the ARRI. Check out my IMDB, kid. You won't be disappointed :) Latest project I did camera on is the Sundance-Winning / and now Oscar nominated documentary: "Summer of Soul" ....but what you been up?
There are still people who believe that with a BMPCC you can get videos like those of an Alexa .. Comparing any cheap camera to an Arri is like comparing a Honda Civic with a Ferrari .....
Michele Ren I think that’s what makes a test like this fun for me anyway. Yes the ARRI is the queen bee of cams but seeing how good some of these other manufacturers are getting is pretty amazing. Will be interesting to see where cameras go from here!
@@FilmJams Excuse me if I insist but making a comparison of this kind only serves to try to convince someone that buying a BMPCC can get videos that are the same or almost the same as those of an Alexa. And we all know that it is not true.
Michele Ren well not advertising as we don’t own one but we will continue to make comparison videos of a variety of cameras to help people see what they can do. Cheers! 😆👊
Jasper Enujuba - sorry you didn’t like Jasper. This test was about showing what each camera records with a 709 LUT and no color matching. We do have comparisons where we match the footage. We try to show a variety of tests for different scenarios. Thanks again for watching!
The point of this test is not to “make them look good” it’s to show exactly what they look like straight out of camera. It’s a camera TEST not a movie.
