After being asked so many times here is my comparison between the BMPCC 6K and the Canon C200 :). Which one would you pick and why ? Time stamps : Why making this video - 0:50 The Pros of the BMPCC6K - 1:09 The Pros of the C200 - 2:08 The Cons of the BMPCC6K - 3:28 The Cons of the C200 - 4:05 Which one to get ? - 5:42 Outro - 7:30 Cheers, Flo
Have you tried using both on the same project? How well do the color science and codecs match up? I could see the difference in this video but with some attention in color grading, it seems like it could maybe work. The scenario I'm imagining is a documentary where you need that workhorse camera in the C-200 but also want to go out and get that stunning B-roll and those 120fps shots. Would these two be a compatible tandem?
Enjoyed the comparison and agree on most pros and cons you brought up. I previously owned the BMPCC4K absolutely loved the footage out of it, but sold it to get a C200 and have no regrets. For me, the BMPCC4k took too much rigging and after adding up all the bits and pieces the weight and price was nearly equal to the C200. Also, the battery life of stock Canon batteries, built in NDs, dual pixel AF, and two full size XLR inputs just make shooting so much easier. Glad the BMPCC6k works for you, the files really are extremely impressive for such an affordable camera.
Nice review video, well done. We've owned the C200 for the past year and a half and have shot quite a few client projects with it. I pretty much have only shot CRL for our projects, although we do shoot XF-AVC and Prores via Atomos recorders for client work when they don't want to deal with RAW. This year though, three clients have requested RAW footage, one for a new Netflix project and the CRL is great for green screen work. I had the BMPCC 6K for a month to write a review for some websites I write for and I have to say, I really was impressed with it and I wasn't expecting to be impressed. The image is great, the menus are the best on the market, prosumer or pro level cameras. I found the battery life to be a drag, not being able to shoot Prores at higher than UHD a bit frustrating and not being able to shoot RAW 4K a drag. The other thing to consider is that once you add the BMD battery grip, or an Anker battery, an external SSD, a cage and a monitor, you are really at the same physical size and weight as a C200 or close to it. The DPAF on the C200 is a thing of beauty, trying to manually focus the BMD with it's 5" or even an external 5" high brightness monitor is pretty challenging with moving subjects in comparison. External NDs are a hassle too, although we all use them for our mirrorless but the built in 10 stops on the C200 is so good. Having the Mini XLR on the BMD is great though, very handy. For me, BMD + battery grip + external monitor + cage + two or three SSDs would be getting into the neighborhood of the price of the C200 so it really doesn't come down to money, it comes down to what you shoot and how you like to shoot it. You could make a great indie film or documentary, music video or commercial with either camera. For me, if I am going out into the world as a OMB, while the BMD is smaller and lighter, with all of the stuff I need to make it work, it's not that much smaller, lighter or cheaper. But if was shooting more studio type stuff or had ACs to handle focus, the 6K BMDRAW is really nice. For what I typically shoot, the DPAF, better audio I/O, built in ND make it a slightly better tool. Ideally, it would be best to have both, like you do, at least currently. I could see situations where one or the other would be best. The BMD PCC 6K is a sign of things to come though, smaller, less expensive and better specs and images for a LOT less money, that trend isn't changing. The other factor is the client factor. If you are a pro, you really can't show up for agency, PR, red carpet or higher end corporate shoots with a PCC 6K. Clients expect to see a Canon C200, 300 MKII, FS7, RED, Arri kind of camera, not a small, plasticky looking prosumer camera, at least not in 2019, although this could evolve in the near future so that is something people should consider in which to buy. If you do your own projects, hobbyist, indie film, the BMD is great. If you have paying clients who will be on set with you, even though the images are just as good, you are going to have a better client perception, with most clients, with a larger, more traditional looking camera. I'm not saying all clients hire you because of the camera you have, but some do and some, no matter how good your reel is, if you show up with a Pocket 6K, they aren't going to be as satisfied as if you show up with a built up FS7 or something like that. That's just reality.
Thanks !! I understand what you're saying and agree with the majority of it. I have had clients that cared about the gear or asked to use "the big camera" but in all honestly 90% of time they don't care and just want me to put out the kind of work that they picked me for, regardless of the camera. Also when you say "BMD + battery grip + external monitor + cage + two or three SSDs would be getting into the neighbourhood of the price of the C200" I have to disagree since I own both kits. The BM with battery, monitor, cage and my ssds (or Cfast) barely goes above 4000. The C200 starts at 6500 and by the time you add an extra battery, recorder for 10bit and or a couple of Cfast cards you are largely above 7000/7500. I mostly shoot for myself so I get hired for my style and previous work. If the project is that big that they need a specific camera it means there is definitely room to hire one and the camera chosen/asked by clients is rarely the C200 in my experience. That being said I love both cameras and they are both incredible piece of equipment :).
@@RHStevens1986 CRL = Cinema RAW Light, the RAW format the C200 shoots. I agree with Of Two Lands, I usually have to convince clients that the C200 can actually shoot a superior format than the stock C300 MKII or FS7, they haven't heard of the C200 or CRL. But once their editor actually edits the footage, especially if it's green screen, they tend to fall in love with it. Shot a bunch of interviews for a Netflix documentary on CRL (not green screen) and that producer only wants to shoot CRL now.
@@nicholasolivas317 If you mean the C300 MKI, yes. MKII, yes, we bought a used one since it has more name recognition than the C200 and most clients are afraid of RAW, but the C200 is sharper and has more detail than the 410Mbps XF-AVC of the C300 MKII. The C300 MKIII is obviously far superior to the C200 but the C200 is still current and has dropped to $5,500.00 new while the C300 MKIII is exactly double that. The C300 MKIII doesn't look twice as good as the C200, perhaps 20% better but with good glass and great lighting, few could tell the difference in a blind test.
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned the low light capabilities. The black magic is pretty strong in this setting. I love being able to film in a darker aesthetic then what most people follow. This camera coupled with Da Vinci resolve allows for amazing unique shots. The camera that will work best for you really all depends on your own personal style and needs for what you want to create.
This is honestly such a good, detailed comparison video, every video on this page is so informative and just a joy to watch, keep up the great work! This page is surely going to grow into one of the biggest filmmaking channels.
@@DannyGevirtz fine if you are ok with 30minutes of recording and hundreds of gigabites of data that has negligible quality difference with any mobile or action camera then ok.
Thank you for the detailed comparison, and also your smooth presentation. It is so refreshing to NOT have some high energy RU-vidr screaming at me to SMASH the Like button and SUBSCRIBE!!@##$@#! I've been watching your work for some months, since you got the P4K, and it always looks so good. The P4K is still on the horizon for me because I've got loads of m43 lenses, and I like the smaller form factor of m43 overall.
Haha, thanks a lot !! I got tired of energetic RU-vidrs as well, gets old very quickly. The bmpcc4k is such a great camera, best value between all 3 cameras :).
The quality of the footage and the color grading in this video are absolutely top notch. I watched the video in glorious 4K on my monitor. I'm not even seeing the RU-vid compression artifacts I usually see on other 4K videos. I don't know how you did it.
Great video! I've been contemplating getting a BMPCC6K to accompany my c200 - Also, great to see more Aussie based film-makers on RU-vid! Have subscribed
This was enlightening. I have the BMPCC4K and aside from the battery limitations I do really love it. I'm tempted to get the 6k for wedding work, as I have a bunch of nice EF glass... That autofocus on the C200 though...
Thanks for your thoughtful content and helpful comparison between these two. I Appreciate hearing how it performs in the real world for someone like yourself. I’m excited to start creating & storytelling with the bmpcc 6k.
Hey guys! Nice video. Can’t get enough of these Blackmagic comparisons. We put the BMPCC 6K up against the Alexa Mini if you’d like to check that out 😆🎥 will put a link below!
Something that continuously keeps me hooked on Canon and their C cinema line: Simplicity. As someone who just starting with film years ago, Cameras scared the everliving crap out of me. Nothing was ever as simple as it seemed, and there was always a million things to make sure were perfectly set in camera before filming. But not with the Canon. Everything on their C camera line is right in front of you, as simple as it seems, and even easier to use than most affordable DSLR's. It was almost so simple that it felt like cheating, because now every other camera seems complex and over-designed by comparison. If you're like me and cameras scare you, but you need the perfect film look, the C200 is unbeatable. And the extra weight and size of it will more often than not be an advantage to getting stabilized, professional shots. its not fancy or new, and its a little overpriced by today's standards, but its remarkably simple and perfect.
Thank you for sharing! Rather than comparing one should have both cameras. Pros and cons are mentioned very well. I use the BM 6K - handling indoor is cool, bright outdoor not that great but if you have time, quite workable. Can't wait for the Canon EOS C 500 MK II. BM 6K is the perfect backup camera and camera for light weight applications.
I too think they're both great tools, but would you pick the bmpcc6K if it cost what the C200 costs and the C200 cost what a fully outfitted bmpcc6K cost?
2nd hand c200 is a bit over 2x the price of a bmpcc 6k, but I think c200 offers a fair bit more value (built in nd filters, amazing auto-focus, great battery life)
I have PC6K and bought Tilta Cage with Power Handle using Sony Big batteries. lasts about 3 hours. Killer. Just did around the world trip and it was my go to vid camera.
Man. Great video. Awesome comparison. I'd honestly go with the Pocket 6K. I can rig it up in less than the C200s price, down to the very beastly canon batteries to improve battery life and get a really good external monitor. The C200 is a beast. I just wish canon would be kinder with their prices and better at the features.
Just watching it through now, but using the same song for one of my knew videos! :D Really loved the Beekeeper doc that you shot. The only thing about the P6K that should of been added (I know form factor) is SDI out, that'd be amazing.
I have a canon c200 and I love it but want a smaller camera for gimbal work and stills so that I dont have to always worry about the weight so I have been actually looking and the Blackmagic 4k or the Fuji xt3 because they both fit kn my ronin s and they have decent codecs
Also from me a big thank you for your comparison! I like the compact and complete design of the Canon C series, a nice brick in the hand ;) A few weeks ago, I was in Hamburg on a cool broadcast house party at BPM Media to see all the brandnew stuff from Sony, Panasonic, Canon etc. a lot of sexy things to see including the C 500 II. I checked out and tested the Zacute Kameleon for the BMPCC 6K. (Sucessfully) Including Kameleon, Zacuto Cage components and additional batteries my order ended up in the C200 price range. But now I am having a Camera system with a 12 Bit RAW codec, and that was my main focus to buy BlackMagic. Yesterday the stuff arrives and I am quite happy :)
Thanks !! I really like the shape of the C200 too, makes a lot of sense. And yes, equipment ends up quite pricey haha. I am quite interested in the C500 II too.
the 4k even has mpre value - with the metabones speed booster even more real estate - not so much crop and more ligh.t..and it is actually cheaper I guess.
thanks for the effort and sharing. your channel's footage is quite lovely. do you rig out the bmpcc6k? external monitor? usb battery? lastly, are you always manual focusing or can you rely on the bmpcc6k auto focus? i do know the c200's dpaf is excellent and i have relied on it. thumbs up.
Thanks !! And no I don't rig it up. I might use a monitor sometimes but that's it. I like to keep it simple. And I always shoot manual on the BM, I do use push focus as a starting point sometimes. Thanks for watching :)
We record interviews with the c200. We wonder if it works well to use the Blackmagic 6K as a second camera. Our main concern is if you can achieve the same look without spending a lot of time on grading. Do you (or someone else) have experience with this? And what color profile would be best to use? Thanks a lot in advance!!
You can definitely match it but the BM has a look for sure. I would say maybe pick a tight lens to use on the BM so that the shot is already different or a wide. I would use Film, always. I have matched the 4K and C200 with no issue so this should be fine. Just keep in mind that the Canon looks maybe more natural and the BM more cinematic (hate that word haha) right out of the box :).
@@OfTwoLands As someone who is totally new and inexperienced with pro-level cameras how would you go about selecting the best lenses for the task with the BMPCC with so many different brands & quality out there?
Still super torn between these two cameras. Ideally, I want the C200 as an A-Cam and the blackmagic 6k as a B-Cam; but, not sure if I should get the C200 first because I already have a GH5 or get the Blackmagic and rig it out as a temporary A-cam, because with Canon dropping the C500 mk II and the C300 mkIII, maybe I should just rock out with BMPCC until I can afford those. Any suggestions?
I think rocking out with BMPCC until you can afford the C500II or C300III is a good idea if you know you definitely need them. For me I realised that I can do without the C200 for most of the time. It depends on what you shoot. I would say only full on docos would need the Canon Cinema Line. In 2020 I don't think the C200 is a good option unless you do a lot of interviews and events. I would keep the bmpcc6k and use it on a few jobs and see what you really miss if you miss anything at all.
This is a great video, I currently have two C200B's that are my main workhorse cameras but sometimes for shooting outdoor/bike/moto stuff I want something small and light and have been consider the 6k for this reason. But is it worth spending another $2500 on a camera for more fun projects I dunno....
I want a BMPCC 6K so much but i wear glasses and tbh im not the best when it comes to manual focus because of it. Other than that, its such a great value. And the software included is a huge plus
Oh, man... Wish I'd seen this comment 3 years ago... I'd have told you to fear not about manual focus. Just use an external monitor with focus assist enabled and you're good to go.
HELLO. I would like to ask you a question! So really works the BMPCC 6K autofocus? I read that that camera doesnt have autofocus. hope you can help me with that. thanks
Great review. Do you have examples of work where you have used both cameras? I am looking at buying both but wondering how hard it will be to match them up in the end.
Haven't watched yet, but haven't we all learned that alot of cameras come with great image quality now? However if you fancy superior autofocus and built in ND filters and other cinema camera stuff you pay the extra price for the C200
Hey Thank you very much for this great and easy to digest comparison. What I can’t decide is would I suffer with no continuous autofocus of bm. When I stared filming I was always using manual lenses and I remember how tricky it was and how many shots were wasted. How do you go about it’s inability to continuously focusing ? I do film music videos sometimes, mostly that I do rely on autofocus a lot. But C200 might be too huge
Great video, I subbed! I'm looking at getting either cameras right now. I heard the BM 6k footage is really shaky, do you have trouble getting stable shots with it?
Thank you !! And no, not necessarily more shaky than any other camera this size. I use IS lenses when I can. I am also used to shoot handheld. If it is still too shaky I just fix in post. The little doco I just made was shot handheld with no stabilisation in post :).
Nice one! I shot my first short on the Pocket 4k this weekend and I'm thinking about switching from the Canon C100 mk2 to the BMPCC6K to use with my EF-lenses, instead of buying a second 4K and adding a speedbooster (I need two cameras). Sounds like a good idea? 🤔
Yes, I would definitely get the 6K instead of the 4K + speedbooster option. I loved the C100 mk2, shot with it for two years, great camera especially for doco work and interview style content :).
@@OfTwoLands Cool! The only problem I see with the 6K is that the data-rates are about 2,4x higher than the 4K (in full sensor mode), do you find that to be an issue for the type of work you do?
I know you had bmpcc 6k , but I was wondering maybe you know how is bmpcc4k in comparison to c200 in terms of autofocus? for me, autofocus is the most important. Will really appreciate your advice on it.
DR is pretty much the same if not shooting raw, I’d say the difference is more in the depth, 10bit vs 8 noticeable for sure. If shooting Raw on the C200 you do get 15 stops and the files are super nice and you can then notice it. Slightly better than the pocket.
I think your analysis misses how utterly valuable the tilting screen, viewfinder(!) and ND filters(!) are for the Canon. You add BM's new monitor for a grand, than add a viewfinder and ND filters to the BMPCC 6K and you're probably at $5k. I think more than the cost in favor of the BMPCC 6K, would be the size and the value of shooting BRAW. I started this video thinking I would be going for Blackmagic, but I'm leaning towards Canon. Sadly, or luckily, I'm a BMPCC 4K budget sort of guy. So, that's where I'll end up. I think the flexibility of the 4K's shooting options help there as well. And I've seen way too many posts about some production quirks with the Pocket 6K. But yes, that Super 35 sensor... But great video overall. Thanks.
The whole part between 2:40 and 3:30 is specifically about the screen, nd and viewfinder haha. Also you can have a great monitor like the Focus by SmallHD or the Shinobi by Atomos for $300. ND filters cost $50 so you wouldn't spend more than $400-$500 all up. I know that because I own both system.. That's only $3K tops, far from the 5k you mention. Thanks for watching :).
@@OfTwoLands I haven't seen the monitor on the Canon, but to my mind, a good outboard monitor is at least a grand though when BM drops their new bright monitors, the 5" is only $800. That SmallHD ain't that great. But Viewfinder!!!! That's the part that you can't get cheaply, though I'm happy to hear if you know of something. And built in ND's beat futzing with filters out in the field. Add $$ to the BMPCC for the cursing when you drop those filters. Then subject $$ from the Canon for when your shoulder and arms are aching.
Oh yeah for sure, but these two are the ones I own and shoot with. And I’ve been asked many times about the bmpcc6k vs C200 so I thought I’d make a video about it. I used to own the Ursa Mini Pro and sold it to get the C200.
@@OfTwoLands Fair enough. I think the C200 has pedigree for being a workhorse as you mentioned in your video. Not sure where the Ursa G2 is in terms of reliability so I can see why Canon is the go to for ENG+ work. If you're going into battle, you don't want a weapon that might jam.
I’ll be honest the with you all. I bought a BM6K and then I went out and bought a c100 Mark ii and wow I’m selling my 6k. The canon is so much easier to run and gun and the footage is so much easy to edit. The c100 mark ii came out in 2014 and is still amazing to me. For once I’m really content with a camera that is around $2600 and you can still buy them brand new. Think I’m wrong rent one and find out for yourself. Black Magic needs Constant AF and once they master this, they’re price will increase and they will be able to competitor with canon on a bigger level. Until that day comes I'm going back to 2014. I actually like the c100 mark ii so much after buying a used one on eBay that I bought a new one from b & h photo. To me it’s better then the 5D.
I prefer the F4 as it is much lighter, cheaper and smaller :). I do not need the 2.8, although it is a very beautiful lend if budget and weight aren't an issue.
Of Two Lands would love to use some of it. Thanks. I used to shoot stills but now I just mostly edit, and I love the BMPCC 6k footage I’ve been seeing.
Stupid question for you... What is the little red button-like thing you have on the edges of each camera? Is that some sort of mounting/strap item, if so, what and where can I find it?
Can you help me ? I am planning to buy 8k in 2021 but confused between black magic and red ? I don’t like red because of durability and thinking to buy black what do you say i am expecting they will release 8k in 2021
Of Two Lands we are planning to make one show and also going to register a production house and my friend he is an angel investor so he needs some good cinema cameras for his house he is also partner he has good knowledge about money and finance but lacks camera knowledge once we buy camera we will start with short films right now we are four people later we will take people from Upwork. As a partner of this studio I am searching for a good cam but stuck with red and black magic thought of arri but very expensive and no 8k sensors
Hey - on the bmpcc6k - what raw setting you shoot at to give: best quality vs file size (they can get super big which I’ve been finding problematic when shooting my doc). Some say Q5 is best .. I using CQ 8:1 - what u think? Thanks !
Hey, I actually shoot in Prores 422 almost all the time with the exeption of interview which I do in LT or even proxy. If I need to shoot all day for days then iI might even shoot the whole project in LT. I only use Raw for 120FPS.
You can only shoot 4K Raw on the C200. If you want 1080p you only have 8 bit available and a very low data rate (about 30mbps).. there is no 1080p RAW option. When shooting 4K RAW, the camera will chew its way through 256GB card in less than an hour, and CFAST cards are expensive. For me the C200 is an 8Bit interview camera, OR the primary camera on a multi-crew high quality film where you'll have people on hand to help with rigging and backing up the CFAST cards.
@@joshdiditt I'd still prefer the C200. The necessary rigging hassle with the BMPCC is a big turn off for me, and I'd miss the C200s battery life, on-board audio and ND filters. If I want something more portable I'd also want IBIS, so for that I use a GH5. If I was starting out again now and I had the money, I'd get a Panasonic S1H.
@@OfTwoLands On my Bmpcc 6k I see too much motion blur. I'll have to test it more... I would like to know if these two cameras react visually the same, in terms of movement
@@OfTwoLands I think he means the way camera renders motion. If you compare say Alexa and the way it handles pans, or other types of motion, it's very organic and it's not only about low rolling shutter or shutter speed. And some cameras handle motion not in a nice way somehow, it doesn't have sort of natural organic filmic feel and look to it. This is one area that isn't well tested online, because that's like the last thing people think of. If you have a bit of free time maybe you could make a short comparison between Pocket 6K and C200? Like with the same lens maybe pan and tilt in few shots, and maybe follow someone in a few others, or shoot something in the city, just cars moving and people walking, but it needs to be objects moving in the frame, and preferably camera moving as well. Would be cool if you could make blind A-B test out of it and later tell us the results :) In any case, thanks for this video! Keep up the great work!
@@Frytech Thank you, that's exactly what I meant: "This is one area that isn't well tested online, because that's like the last thing people think of". I think it's actually the most important element to consider
There are plenty of side by side comparison videos out there. I wanted to make this video about actually using the cameras. Both cameras have great image and it depends on so many other factors. Plus YT makes it very hard to actually see.
What you don't get are the advantages of recording higher resolution videos, like improved sharpness, color rendition and a bit of noise reduction when scaling down or using the resolution for cropping and recomposing in post, without forgetting the future-proofness of those higher resolutions.
Oh yeah for sure, but these two are the ones I own and shoot with. And I’ve asked been asked many times about the bmpcc6k vs C200 so I thought I’d make a video about it. I used to own the Ursa Mini Pro and sold it to get the C200.
