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BMPCC4k vs Old Sony F3 

Daniel Troyer
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I decided to put these two very different cameras to the test. A low-light stress test of the old-school Sony F3 versus the brand new and shiny Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k. Let me know in the comments which you think looks better or more cinematic!

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@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
My F3 is for sale! Link in the description!
@digitalproselyte
@digitalproselyte 4 года назад
Daniel, I'm curious what camera you're upgrading too after selling the F3? It sounded like you really enjoyed the camera.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
digitalproselyte not upgrading! Just renting per-project now. Love the F3 still
@TAGMedia7
@TAGMedia7 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer is it still available?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
@@TAGMedia7 sorry!
@CinemaRaven
@CinemaRaven 4 года назад
I knew the first camera was the F3 without looking. Crazy how much better it looks. Highlights, skin tone... and man that blue LED light at the end destroys the image in the BMPCC.
@the40thstep
@the40thstep 3 года назад
F3 any day over BMPCC4K
@mariustoma5656
@mariustoma5656 5 лет назад
So, i will say that the video starts with sony F3 then BMPCC4K and so on. The reason behind that is because the BMPCC4k image is slightly cropped and it's a little crispier (as being a newer sensor technology. However, I love the look of the Sony F3. Daniel please shade some light and tell us which one is wich :)
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
The first shot in series is the F3. Followed by the Black Magic.
@frenchcoupon3391
@frenchcoupon3391 2 года назад
I hope this will calm down the Black Magic fans :)
@BfreshMedia
@BfreshMedia 4 года назад
Damn... I thought for sure the order was BMPCC then the F3 but then I read the comments and had to watch it several more times. I'm amazed how much better the f3 looks from the dynamic range and the skin tones. I might have to pick one up.
@roodick85
@roodick85 4 года назад
I got mine from eBay a few months back and couldn't be happier for it and under 1k
@disicaray5495
@disicaray5495 Год назад
Why
@TAGMedia7
@TAGMedia7 4 года назад
Prices on F3 have skyrocketed.. I knew I should have picked up one of these when I had the chance, when they were hovering around the $1,000 mark.
@nonameexpdng
@nonameexpdng 3 года назад
I hate things like this, it's unbelievable
@christopherschwartz982
@christopherschwartz982 6 месяцев назад
If you have the slog 444 upgrade on the F3 and use an external recorder you can get up to 12-bit prores 4:4:4:4 in HD. It looks amazing.
@ahmedsamir7582
@ahmedsamir7582 11 месяцев назад
FYI the F3's Sensor Development in a collaboration with Fujifilm engineers ..You can feel Fujifilm film stock "secret sauce" looks . and also it has one of the largest pixel size of all cine cameras of course BMPCC4k is more current and advanced . but F3 i believe has way less Digital Edge
@digitalproselyte
@digitalproselyte 5 лет назад
I used to own an F3 and regret selling it. I felt like with any other shooting scenario, if handled improperly, it will produce bad footage. But overall it produced some of the most filmic images I've ever seen from a camera when using an external recorder. The only other camera I've ever owned that produced more film-like images is the F35 (which I still own). For the price these are going for now, they are an absolute steal. One with the 444 option just went on Ebay for under $900.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
digitalproselyte yes I want to upgrade to F35. I used to have a Red but they have a too digital feel. BM just isn’t on the spectrum. Their motion cadence is off.
@roodick85
@roodick85 4 года назад
Lol that was probably the one I got a few months back 😂😂 prob not but I'm loving my F3 it's the feel of it...don't know how to describe it but it's organic in a way
@maxharper9282
@maxharper9282 4 года назад
@digitalproselyte would you be interested in selling your f35?
@kaleoleitholdt9356
@kaleoleitholdt9356 3 года назад
@@DanielTroyer What do you say about "motion cadence"? Looks like all 4K cameras around this price (F3) don't have the "cinematic" feeling. Looks like we see the camera shaking, even a little, and it screw up the imersive experience that cinema must have.
@great.verity
@great.verity Год назад
DAMN. It looks like comparison between iphone vs ARRI...
@colderoutofsouth
@colderoutofsouth 2 года назад
F3 looks more cinematic
@ZoneTelevision
@ZoneTelevision 5 лет назад
Good stuff. I'm guessing one of the night sequences beginning @1:15 was the F3? Sony's are generally the Low Light Kings. Then again good glass with a wide apt. setting helps. Over all hard to tell. I'm not a fan of the form factor of the new BMPCC 4K If I'm honest. I prefer the Gen 1 BMPCC even though it only shoots in 1080 I'm ok with that.Good stuff. 👌
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
I have to agree totally!
@张大勇-p2r
@张大勇-p2r 2 года назад
I perfer BMCC2.5k, I am trying on it. It’s the digital one who’s red color in sun light likes Kodak E100vs film at the most.
@thequantaleaper
@thequantaleaper 3 года назад
The second shot (where she is pulling the flyer off the board I think) is the only one I really do prefer the second shot and think it looks more cinematic and natural than the first.... otherwise the first shots are better I think and probably the F3.
@dayflaubert
@dayflaubert 2 года назад
PMW Destroys BM here
@stephanes.
@stephanes. 4 года назад
I love this F3... by the way, the original BMPCC/BMPC were better than the newer ones
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
Sann Films I agree!
@tomaszmazur3117
@tomaszmazur3117 5 лет назад
Lovely shots. What lenses you mount on F3?
@MichaelWeizenfeld
@MichaelWeizenfeld 3 года назад
The first camera seems to have larger sensor. And due to it longer focal leight, shallower depth of field and as a result more pleasant look. From the comments I read it was F3 with 28mm f2.0. For P4K comparable lens should be 22-23mm f1.6. What lens did you used on P4K?
@flamephil
@flamephil 5 лет назад
I’ve gotta say that, in cinematics alone, I’m liking the more cropped in shots far more than the wider versions. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the more cropped in images are the BMCC and the wider shots are the F3. (And by that I mean the first shot is the black magic and the following is the F3). There’s something about that sensor that allows for a lot more depth of field even when using the same lenses (I’m guessing the medium format) and it just looks more filmic in the way it deals with colors and light falloff. The f3 definitely kills in lowlight situations and it looks like it’s retaining more information in the shadows but it simply has too much noise to really be considered all that useful and, in color correction, I’d flatten out those dark areas to hide it.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Unfortunately you’ve got them reversed! Sony really nailed the color texture, staccato, and detail compression with the old F3. It just flopped due to people not knowing how to expose it correctly. The BMCC really just has a plastic feel to it in my opinion. Sharper, but that doesn’t make it cinematic.
@jackhosey
@jackhosey 5 лет назад
Daniel Troyer What’s the correct way to expose it?
@SoundSpeeding
@SoundSpeeding 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer how do you expose the F3?
@AlexButler10
@AlexButler10 3 года назад
@@DanielTroyer teach us master! Were all here shooting slog and bouncing around resolve trying things haha. Beat I managed was to use was colour transform inside resolve and set it input slog and output arri 709. Looks better than anything I tried in the past 🤦
@Saheli-Medias
@Saheli-Medias Месяц назад
​@@DanielTroyerit's because of this plastic feeling that, after testing my bmcc 2.5k to the bmpcc 6k,I decide to not go to the 6k but am thinking about f5, f3 or f55 or maybe red if my pocket allow it.
@robocoontv3245
@robocoontv3245 4 года назад
The first cam looks much better in my opinion
@davidi4913
@davidi4913 3 года назад
Hie Daniel, me again. Simple question, did you use the same lens (vivitar on F3 if I'm correct) on both cameras ? (F3 footage looks amazing.) Have a great day !
@HunterW.Photography
@HunterW.Photography 4 года назад
something just doesnt seem right about the pocket 4k video, what settings and lenses did you use?
@dharkknight4747
@dharkknight4747 5 лет назад
Ooooookay.. maaaaybe I'm missing something here but, how on earth does one know what camera they're looking at? Is there a secret caption activator I don't know about?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Rahymn Inc Comparatively there are two sets of shots that mimic each other. It is up to you to decide which camera is which, or you can look in the comment section where the answer lies
@dharkknight4747
@dharkknight4747 5 лет назад
@@DanielTroyer Ooooh okay.. got it.. didn't realize the context of discussion till now.. your statement just helped clear it out.. thanks.
@dct124
@dct124 3 года назад
The Sony looks better imo however the BMPCC has better color representation. Not sure why even today Sony colors lean to green. Maybe the operators can't change the tint in camera. Nikon uses Sony sensors and rarely has ever had this problem and if you've ever run into say blue or red. Nikon gives you the option to adjust it out in it's WB menu. I shoot kelvin now and adjust Nikon cameras to M2 or M3, mostly M3 and the accuracy is very very spot on.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 3 года назад
I’ll have to completely disagree with you here haha. The F3 has some of the most pleasing and accurate colors straight out of camera of any camera I’ve worked with. It’s even easier to grade than my past Alexa was. To my eyes the Black Magic is doing some wonky things with the colors and blowing out the saturation in some instances when the Sony just holds it like a painting.
@dct124
@dct124 3 года назад
@@DanielTroyer ok
@CreativeNotJustYet
@CreativeNotJustYet 4 года назад
I like the longer focal length of the first camera, is that the bmpcc4k?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
Mortal Steel no it’s the F3
@CreativeNotJustYet
@CreativeNotJustYet 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer Okey, it looks more cinematic, but I guess it's the focal lenght, the bmpcc4k is a little bit to wide. :)
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
Mortal Steel It’s not the focal length, The pocket 4K is it toy compared to the F3
@CreativeNotJustYet
@CreativeNotJustYet 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer Okey, but it looks more zoomed than the black magic, but it isnt? the F3 has a nicer looking compression
@legendp2011
@legendp2011 5 лет назад
at the end I much prefer the 1st corridor shot at 2:00 to the latter at 2:08. would be nice to know which is which (I'm guessing the first at 2:00 mins is the f3)
@longd2643
@longd2643 2 года назад
Hi Daniel, I'm planning to buy an F3 that has the 444 upgrade. I wonder if the camera has already had the 444 upgrade, does it mean that it automatically has the option to shoot in 422 SLOG? Or could the SLOG mode (for 422 since I don't have the recorder for 444) still not be available even if it has the 444 upgrade? I can't find the answer anywhere and hopefully you can help me out. Thank you so much. Your video is instrumental in helping me decide to get this camera!
@jieyiwang1749
@jieyiwang1749 2 года назад
if you have 444 you have everything
@Andybaby
@Andybaby 3 года назад
BMPCC 4K looks sharper, more high res, but .... less 'movie like', so.. I'm confused.
5 лет назад
Been looking att getting an F3 for a long time. But the lack of newer videos on youtube kinda held me back. This video convinced me it was a good deal. Havent got it yet. Was this shot in S-log? Have you any experience with S-log2. If you have how far each other are them?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Josef Götherskjöld Get yourself an external recorder. Always shoot in sLog with this camera. You want to find a body with the sLog444 upgrade. sLog is far superior than any other future additions to the log line from Sony. It retains the contrast structure curve and gives the image needed depth. It’s also MUCH easier to grade than sLog 2 or 3.
5 лет назад
@@DanielTroyer I own several A7 cameras and is very used to s-log 2. Sound good. I have a Ninja V Recorder. And the camera i bought got 444 AND the upgraded body with no Zoom rocker and handy cam stuff ;)
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Josef Götherskjöld sounds like a good buy👍👍
@SoundSpeeding
@SoundSpeeding 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer there is the free sLog update for the F3 though? Good enough for 422 at least
@baloup571
@baloup571 4 года назад
Daniel Troyer the Sony F3 works well if i buy it with a Ninja Atomos V? Love your videos :D
@davidvalens3337
@davidvalens3337 4 года назад
did you record onto a recorder with the F3?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
david valens black magic video assist
@patricebouvry1613
@patricebouvry1613 3 года назад
@@DanielTroyer with ProRes ? Thanks ...
@video2000ification
@video2000ification 5 лет назад
While the Blackmagic looks better, the F3 has some usable and nice gritty shots (for indoors/blue-ish tones)
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
video2000ification Which do you think is the black magic? First set of shots or second?
@video2000ification
@video2000ification 5 лет назад
@@DanielTroyer The second- it looks brighter and cleaner...
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
video2000ification you’re correct. It is brighter but it introduces more digital noise. Also it handles footage way less cinematically.
@video2000ification
@video2000ification 5 лет назад
@@DanielTroyer That's what video is. I think the Blackmagic should be used outdoors, then graded. And I had this misconception that the F3 was a 1/2 inch sensor cam
@hoozentroger
@hoozentroger 4 года назад
RIP bmpcc
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 3 года назад
Also a lovely option
@theale5269
@theale5269 3 года назад
You are obviously not using the same lens and color graded it differently. The BMPCC can produce the same and better cinematic quality.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 3 года назад
Different lens yes, but there’s a difference in crop factor as well. The color is simply both cameras converted to a Rec709 space and it’s obvious how much better the F3 handles color, highlight roll off, and it has a better tuned olpf. It’s outdated but produces a much better image.
@mpbootcamp7009
@mpbootcamp7009 Год назад
You are dreamin son.
@PaulJonker
@PaulJonker 4 года назад
Would you recommend this over the pocket 6K? as they both have similar sized sensors
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 3 года назад
I love the F3 and I would prefer to shoot a feature on it, but for client work I would likely go with the P6k
@filipefenner
@filipefenner 4 года назад
you can edit 100% with more freedom the braw of the bmpcc, in a place where you have nice light and colors the f3 seems better, but in a big production you will need the flexibility of raw, dont ilude yourself thinking that f3 will be better, and raw need use a very good edit on resolve to gain the real power, look some others BMPCC4k videos on youtube before choose the camera thar you will buy. If you want you can achieve this f3 look on you black magic easily if you edit the braw with that look in mind
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
Okay buddy
@dylanyanes
@dylanyanes Год назад
bruh just get it right in camera
@mpbootcamp7009
@mpbootcamp7009 Год назад
"Easily get the look..." is something every BM fanboy says but they never back this claim up with videos. haha.
@TAGMedia7
@TAGMedia7 Месяц назад
The model looks a little like Alanah Pearce.
@JLCUT
@JLCUT 5 лет назад
Did you use a recorder with the F3? I currently own both and can't let go of my F3, which is why I'm thinking of finally buying a recorder for it.
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Jose Lopez black magic video assist
@nicholasboule5134
@nicholasboule5134 4 года назад
Daniel Troyer does the video assist do 444 or the f3 for that matter
@fabbrifabbri1225
@fabbrifabbri1225 5 лет назад
For me, The Sony is the second one. Am I right?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Fabbri Fabbri The Sony is the first
@fabbrifabbri1225
@fabbrifabbri1225 5 лет назад
@@DanielTroyer Thank you. Do you preferr the Sony or the blackmagic?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Fabbri Fabbri definitely the Sony
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713 4 года назад
What lenses did you use for this? on the F3
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 4 года назад
Vivitar 28mm
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713 4 года назад
@@DanielTroyer Thanks for responding man. Beautiful stuff
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713
@usernameiamiamiamiam8713 3 года назад
@@DanielTroyer What kind of adapter would I need to get it onto the pmw f3. Just got mine, I have an ef and pl mount.
@44matej44
@44matej44 5 лет назад
So the first one is F3?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Matej Lozar correct!
@44matej44
@44matej44 5 лет назад
Woow wouldnt expect it :O do you have any sample footage you could share?
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Matej Lozar of the F3?
@44matej44
@44matej44 5 лет назад
Yes :)
@DanielTroyer
@DanielTroyer 5 лет назад
Matej Lozar on my channel!
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