BMW M2 vs 1M Coupe vs M4 track battle: two-door M car triple test! 

Agreed

hydraulic steering!

i think it's the only "normal" car in recent history that has actually appreciated, remarkable

While the 1M has appreciated in value, I think now that the M2 is out, it'll start to decline. No real differences between the two cars other than styling. e92 on the other hand may start to increase due to its very sonorous N/A V8.

Wait for the Boxter and Cayman to appreciate now that the 'Subaru' powered 718 is out.

they might produce some limited sharper m2 version soon though

hahah same.

I made popcorn after reading your comment, thanks!

I was on my way out and had to put things on hold while I watched it.

I actually was having dinner while watching this video! I had put it in the 'watch later' list specifically so I could watch it while having dinner.

Too funny 😂

This is very deceiving. The track is so small, that the difference between all 3 cars shouldn't be that much. On a longer track you'd see bigger differences.

+Jack Brand He said the gap between the 1M and M2 was closer than the M2 to M4. But in the final results it's .3 between each car.

Wyatt Foster Yes, i noticed that too. He must have misspoke. Surprised they didn't edit that anywhere in the film.

he also said when he finished with the M1 the gap was .2 secs. It was.3secs.

Yeah, according to the clocks the gaps are all 0.3 seconds. And, if this is the M4 competition pack then it is 444bhp and not 425 as he said in the video.

Softens the throttle response so that power delivery isn't so spikey. Actually makes it easier to control on the limit.

Lol and how many times do you drive around bends at over 140mph? Couldn't be happier with my 1M. it's quick enough for the road and fun at sensible speeds. Yeah it would probably start to feel ordinary as a daily, but as a weekend car it puts a huge smile on my face every time.

@@yetidh9 I go to autox more than the big track. The short wheelbase means it can turn better in the tight corners.

Traction off mode 4:58

Traction off mode 4:58

Its more expensive so they could use lighter more expensive materials

***** I think he meant the M2 should be much more lighter because its smaller.

The M2 has a whole new back end and isn't faster on corners than the 1M. Also, the M4 isn't that light for it's size, so the M2 should have been lighter than it ended up been and let's not kid ourselves, the M2 is no bargain either

The M4 is light for its size. Do you know how big it is? It's as big as the 4 door M3 sedan. It's wider and longer than alot of 2 door coupes.

devilzmantis Light for it's size, well a A380 is light for it's size as well. It's size is the issue for many people.

no you dumbass, this will never be a fair comparison, it's a different class of vehicle

+ewt415 of course not, but any variables can and should always be reduced

They already did the M2 DCT in the video against the Focus RS. It ran a 46.7, which is slower than the times in this video (though different day, different conditions and different driver).

+ewt415 It's barely a different class. They're practically the same.

THAT's a video I'm interested in, thanks for the mention!

Add the E39 M5

It isn't so relevant, because this comparison is about two door coupes. The reason i brought up the E46 M3 is because many journalists say that the 1M and M2 are approximately the same size with the E46.

@Julio Cruz Not on this track, mate. I do agree with OP that the e46 would have been a good additions considering the M2 is almost the exact same size and weight as the e46. The M3 CSL would have been the quickest here, no doubt.

+Mzn T but but but ///M!! Lol

Julio Cruz :)) What the hell... bring it in.. let's blow some tyres!

Jovan Korica I

Is 25 seconds really that big of a difference though? I mean in a race it would be, but for a street car? Not to mention that your average driver would have difficulty discerning any difference at those performance levels.

Spot on. His conclusion of 'the less money you spend on your BMW M car, the better value you get' makes sense on a small, twisty track like the one he was driving round. With a few more straights and longer, faster bends, the M4's superior power and traction will beat the M2 comfortably.

the Nürnburgring has many highspeed sections and corners. Even way heavier cars perform quite well on that track. But try to drive that m4 on a twisty mountain road, it really feels like a big car there and I am not only talking about the weight.

define "proper" track.

well all depends on the track characteristics and even car setups

Traction off mode 4:58

@@DjNikGnashers Traction off mode only speaks for traction and is switchable independent of the other settings. I own the M4 and the power difference between Efficient and Sports Plus Mode is extreme. M1 and M2 buttons are dependent on the custom settings only.

@@natecollins867 I own an OG M2, and my previous car was a tuned M140i. The driving modes for engine only affect the throttle map. In the lower modes the throttle basically isn't fully open until you press the accelerator all the way to the 'click' (which you go 'past' for launch). In sport and over, you are fully open throttle when the pedal is only halfway down (even spikier in sport+). For track driving, it's a lot more controllable to have comfort throttle as it's more progressive and not spikey like an on/off switch.

LOL Imagine in sport plus..

I noticed that too. I have an M4 and the difference in responsiveness between efficient and sport ist massive. Sport plus is even more direct but the difference to sport is less noticeable. I could imagine on a small and fiddly track like that one he didn't want the pedal to be oversensitive at lower positions? Sport and sport plus already give a lot of gas at lower throttle in comparison to efficient, which almost feels sluggish after driving around in sport for a while. I'm not a racing driver though, so what do I know. I'm sure he knows about those settings.

+xcvxcv bro ud know better as an M4 driver than him, M4 takes a while getting used to..

And cold engine also?

xcvxcv I have an M4 aswell and the difference is noticeable especially when driving the car hard.

Why ? It's a tiny car and wouldn't be 'better' with a huge heavy V8 up front. More power isn't going to be any faster if you can't put the power down on the road.

Yes, it should have been M4 manual without competition pack. I think that M4 will be slower

It's not in efficient mode, do you know anything about BMW's? It's in DSC Off mode which is the only mode you should be using o a track, Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on the track because having a throttle where you get half of the pedal usage is stupid on a track (too twitchy is not a good thing on a track). It's useful on the road because you don't need to use the entire pedal travel to get 100% throttle but on a track you want the full pedal travel to modulate the throttle correctly.

Yes I do know a thing or two about BMW's because I own an M4 CP Ian. It's set to Efficient mode for throttle. I didn't mention the DCS or MDM mode so why even comment on it. The Sport+ throttle eliminates a lot of the lag from throttle response giving you a more aggressive and faster responding pedal out of the corners and yes a shorter pedal. Your analogy of the pedal usage is floored because half of that pedal usage is dead space waiting for the response from the anti-lag system. Yes efficient gives you a longer throttle and some people prefer that so they can modulate it better but if you've driven the M4(M4CP) on track you can easily modulate the throttle in sport+ which imo gives the better and faster response time from the throttle therefore faster lap times. Either way the comparison between these cars is floored. DCT vs Manual for a start...

Very difficult control in a track as this in Sport + mode. It is necessary to be a pilot. I am not saying that this guy isn't professional, I am just saying that to explore the car limits must be a professional driver. M4 is a DREAM!

Comp pack still has active sound but its easily removed either by coding or pulling the plug for it on the amp under the boot lining. did mine in about 6 minutes. sounds so much better without it.

jflexton Well it doesn't sound like crap like the std M4

i wouldnt know, mine's had the Mperformance exhaust fitted since delivery. i never drove it with the standard exhaust fitted although the test drive in the dealers car before i bought mine sounded like a 420 hence me adding the MPE. the comp pack has slightly different tone as the ECU is tuned to produce more burble. plus i think the OEM rear box is slightly different on the comp pack as they list it as a sport exhaust. not quite the MPE but better than standard. thats probably what your hearing. both cars will have Active sound unless modified as for some strange reason BMW think people want 3D exhaust sound in the car which just sounds odd to me.

Nvm

All it does is adjust throttle sensitivity. Has 0 impact on performance.

This is what happens on DSC Off mode, it stops the throttle being at 100% with only half the pedal movement. Sport and Sport+ mode are useless on a track, they remove halve the pedal travel making it impossible to properly modulate the throttle round corners.

Well it improves the performance as being twitchy is never a good thing on a track, also you can't modulate the throttle properly on Sport or Sport+ mode.

I completely disagree - Sport+ on the M3/4 drastically improves throttle response - not just the amt of pedal movement you need to elicit that response. It's night and day. He handicapped himself in the M4.

same with mine, efficient mode is for crawling out of the cul de sac, i call it granny mode. once warmed up mine goes straight into sport + every time. makes a huge difference to throttle response. ive tested this on a track day at Bedford Autodrome. in efficient it was a fair few seconds a lap slower. it is easier to light up the rears coming out of corners in Sport + so that may be why he was in efficient as he also had TC fully off. the fastest track mode A-B ive found is Sport + and MDM. TC off on a track is for getting those "no drifting" flags waved at you!

And a 116i, because why not spoil the comparison all the way

Kaveh Hedayatzadeh he is. Check 5:41 under the gear position indicator

No, the the suspension was set to sport plus, but the throttle was set to efficient! The car is much quicker in sport plus. Not sure if the transmission was set to the sportier setting...

​@@EricfromQuebec I bet all that does is make more noise and match a given accelerator position to a higher throttle/boost level to make it feel faster in normal driving, flat out makes no difference one is making 100% power at 100% accelerator and the other at 75% accelerator but no more of it.

Probably because its outgoing soon and a new version is on its way. The current 6er has been around for some time now even in LCI form

not in a straight line lol

IN a straight m4 is still quick 0-100.. past 100 m6 will catch up

444 actually but ye

it's 450bhp measured on the Dyno.

+devilzmantis I know my dad has a Austin yellow m4

Well read again the spec sheet beacause the M4 CP has 450 (probably more but that's what BMW declares)

In the video its driven in efficient mode!? Ive got the m4 and that truely is a terrible set up to have o track. the throttle response in sport plus is insane, efficient feels sluggish.

this

get the M4. end of story, more fun, more everything

+Mike Shino I have a 1M with an Akrapovic exhaust, I'm alright

mz21 awesome 👍

+Mike Shino thanks!

clearly you haven't priced the 1m's on the used market..

A used 1M cost the same if no more expensive than a brand new M2

point exactly... op said it was much cheaper, which it isn't and in 7-10 years it will cost much more

lol, you wait until you see the price of the 1M if you think its cheap

Yeah, that's crazy. I just looked it up. The price really varies, but you're right.The price isn't really any different. The M1 must have appreciated over the years. I wonder the m2 will appreciate the same.