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We test the BMW M235i against one of the best M Cars ever made, the BMW M3 CSL.
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With its 3.0-litre, twin-turbocharged straight six engine, the BMW M235i is the most powerful 2 Series you can buy and is priced at just over £34,000. However, for the same money you can have the modern classic M3 CSL that was launched in 2004.
The BMW M235i's twin-turbo engine produces 322 brake horsepower and 450 Newton Metres of torque. That's 78Nm more than the old M3. It weighs 1,470kg, so it's also 85kg heavier than the CSL.
Launched in 2004, the BMW M3 CSL was the most extreme version of the E46 BMW M3 generation. With a carbon fibre roof, it weighed 100kg less than the standard M3 and it also had upgraded springs, dampers and brakes plus extra power. It also came exclusively with BMW's automated manual SMG gearbox.
The reason the BMW M3 CSL is quite a good comparison to the M235i is because a normal M3 around this age will cost you between £6,000 and £10,000. If you want a decent M3 CSL then you're looking at around £30,000 to £35,000 so it's very similar money. More importantly, you'll get this astonishing engine that revs to 8,000rpm.
The BMW M3 CSL's gearbox is very slow by modern standards as it isn't a modern dual-clutch system. However, there's so much balance in the chassis, you can just sense when the car is in transition from understeer to oversteer.
In the M3 CSL, you get an amazing engine that goes ballistic above 6,000rpm but in the BMW M235i, it's just really quick-revving and gets lots of torque through the rev range.
It's heavier than the CSL, but it should come as no surprise as modern cars are getting heavier and heavier. The M235i is still a really lovely road car as it's very delicate and really enjoyable.
However, the BMW M235i does feel a little bit heavy and it doesn't have the body control of the hard-edged CSL. You can feel there in the oversteer when the car comes back, there's a little bit of snapback as the lateral movement in the body starts to make itself known.
Despite the differences between the BMW M3 CSL and the M235i, they both recorded the same lap-time around our circuit.
The BMW 2 series makes a more accessible every-day drive, but the M3 CSL is a thrilling classic that's to be enjoyed on occasion, and makes a better investment than your average pension.

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@lobniklukas
@lobniklukas 10 лет назад
BMW M3 E46 - 11 years old and still one of the most beautiful BMW's ever built.
@kz1000ps
@kz1000ps 10 лет назад
It's only a handful of cars from any given period that really make you say "wow" every time they go by, and as soon as I would see the E46 M3 with those bulging wheel wells I'd know I was in the presence of something special.
@rundmc5554
@rundmc5554 9 лет назад
***** yeah its nuremberg lap time is faster than the m 4
@musicisfree91
@musicisfree91 9 лет назад
***** Even the non M E46's still hold up visually. I've had an '04 330i ZHP sedan for about five years now and I love it as much now as when I first bought it. BMW really made something special with the E46.
@musicisfree91
@musicisfree91 9 лет назад
***** Even the non M E46's still hold up visually. I've had an '04 330i ZHP sedan for about five years now and I love it as much now as when I first bought it. BMW really made something special with the E46.
@cockshield
@cockshield 9 лет назад
musicisfree91 The sight of an e46, e39 and e38 together is pure car porn!
@SevCars
@SevCars 10 лет назад
E46 M3 CSL. Most beautiful BMW ever built period
@susanparker3699
@susanparker3699 10 лет назад
The E30 M3 with the wide hips is pretty smokin' though.
@danielpattman7383
@danielpattman7383 10 лет назад
the z4 is still better
@AyushGupta-jo3gy
@AyushGupta-jo3gy 10 лет назад
James, u still follow auto car? btw the prank was really funny!!!
@susanparker3699
@susanparker3699 10 лет назад
The E86 Z4 ///M Coupe smokes big time. Especially in Alpine White with Imola Red Interior. I prefer the carbon leather trim over the wood (yuck). What a divine beast.
@susanparker3699
@susanparker3699 10 лет назад
And it's 'Bimmers'. 'Beemers' are motorcycles.
@CoopersSpecC
@CoopersSpecC 8 лет назад
You can't get a dual clutch for the 235i, it's a ZF 8 auto box.
@troop73oo
@troop73oo 10 лет назад
It is not a Twin Turbo engine, its a 'TwinPower Turbo' it uses TwinScroll technology.
@PlayerNineteen
@PlayerNineteen 8 лет назад
I literally just came to see the CSL and left.
@adrianp.3182
@adrianp.3182 8 лет назад
+PlayerNineteen that engine is just brutal!
@PlayerNineteen
@PlayerNineteen 8 лет назад
+Drezdan Can't beat an old school NA M engine.
@adrianp.3182
@adrianp.3182 8 лет назад
+PlayerNineteen True , I have driven an E60 M5 and it sounds like it's going to rip you apart , it's amazing!
@bradford_shaun_murray
@bradford_shaun_murray 4 года назад
3:08
@v_alexiadis
@v_alexiadis 10 лет назад
The E46 is probably the best M3 ever. The CSL is simply a masterpiece! My goodness that noise!
@gianhet
@gianhet 10 лет назад
Funny, I found the front of the M235i to be quite beautiful, but next to the E46, it just feels cartoonish and a bit too much. The E46 is really a great car :D
@mariyuso
@mariyuso 10 лет назад
My thoughts exactly. The E46's design is timeless, and that noise... Oh god.
@gianhet
@gianhet 10 лет назад
mariyuso My brother used to have a "regular" E46 M3, I really loved that car :D
@dln.sweeney
@dln.sweeney 9 лет назад
My next car, I swear. I can't stop thinking about them.
@JoeBlo2
@JoeBlo2 9 лет назад
CSL > M4 at the Nurburgring by two seconds. Says it all.
@sodazman
@sodazman 9 лет назад
+JoeBlo2 2 secs on a 20km track is nothing. The CSL is a much better car though imo.
@srbishkrst
@srbishkrst 9 лет назад
m3 csl is really 2 sec faster than a m4 at the nurburgring? From where you habe this information? Thank you
@srbishkrst
@srbishkrst 9 лет назад
m3 csl is really 2 sec faster than a m4 at the nurburgring? From where you habe this information? Thank you
@srbishkrst
@srbishkrst 9 лет назад
m3 csl is really 2 sec faster than a m4 at the nurburgring? From where you habe this information? Thank you
@srbishkrst
@srbishkrst 9 лет назад
the m3 csl is really 2 sec faster than a m4? unbelieveble! Fron where you have this information? thank you very much if you response me! :-)
@seimolddickhead5552
@seimolddickhead5552 8 лет назад
e46 looks so much better
@Steve_Jaz
@Steve_Jaz 5 лет назад
you wish
@hspd8607
@hspd8607 5 лет назад
Much better
@seansurfn2
@seansurfn2 5 лет назад
i dont think so. drove an m3 then tested an m235i i like the m235i a lot
@tonymouawad5207
@tonymouawad5207 3 года назад
@@seansurfn2 yeah bro ur right👍 nothing compare with series_2❤ someday i will buy one... an F22 (M.235)✊
@craigj1969
@craigj1969 10 лет назад
that M3 has one of the best sounding engines ever! so much induction noise
@cwx8
@cwx8 10 лет назад
6 sweet, sweet ITBs and a beautiful CF intake.
@bole989
@bole989 10 лет назад
jagerx could not have said it better haha
@TheBlackdragon936
@TheBlackdragon936 9 лет назад
I want that air box and trunk, plus the steering rack :)
@p1fly
@p1fly 7 лет назад
TheBlackdragon936 me too
@647killa
@647killa 10 лет назад
That CSL though !! I'm a proud owner of an '02 Phoenix Yellow BMW M3 6MT. Its is really one of the most communicative and balanced car I've ever owned/driven. Can't find a replacement for her yet and its been nothing but 4 years of joy. Grocery getter to track wrecker !! I'm so glad though that BMW is back to doing what they do best, and that's creating benchmarks and the the ultimate driving machines. That M235 is a stunning winner for BMW and a great way to reach out to its roots again !!. Welcome back BMW, that M235 is calling all drivers !!
@jamescutter8760
@jamescutter8760 10 лет назад
Totally agree :)
@kr0pp
@kr0pp 10 лет назад
And it's amazing that you can get M235i so cheap vs the current and past M-cars. It is also truly a car you can drive everyday and take to the track on weekends. I was really sceptical about M-performance lineup of vehicles at first, thinking it would be just a marketing gimmick. But it does indeed seem like M-perf cars fulfill their role of being the best of both worlds - performance/fun/track driving and everyday usability.
@CJM44.41
@CJM44.41 10 лет назад
kr0pp It's arguably even better than the "full fat" batch of current M cars..
@jonzxcv
@jonzxcv 9 лет назад
"The BMW M3 remains the only car ever to have earned more titles than the venerable Porsche 911 in Motorsport, and also is the most successful touring, and grand touring car ever to have participated in racing. The BMW M3, especially the E46 M3, has been regarded as the "Best, all-around car to ever have been made"."
@REALSlutHunter
@REALSlutHunter 8 лет назад
+jonzxcv Correction ! The E30 M3 earned more titles then any BMW, and more as all BMW M Cars together. Over 1500 Titles !
@nunomarques11
@nunomarques11 8 лет назад
+REALSlutHunter Yes but as a road car, E46 M3 will eat it alive performance wise and safety wise! He did mention "Best all-around car"
@nunomarques11
@nunomarques11 8 лет назад
+REALSlutHunter Yes but as a road car, E46 M3 will eat it alive performance wise and safety wise! He did mention "Best all-around car"
@nunomarques11
@nunomarques11 8 лет назад
+REALSlutHunter Yes but as a road car, E46 M3 will eat it alive performance wise and safety wise! He did mention "Best all-around car"
@Vral92
@Vral92 8 лет назад
+jonzxcv what you think about the 1m coupe?
@Augustus222
@Augustus222 10 лет назад
One little mistake in the video. The M235i doesn't come with a dual clutch gearbox as an option but an 8-speed automatic. Too bad the CSL only came with the SMG.
@juhsztn
@juhsztn 2 года назад
and it’s not twin turbo either
@YemiTO
@YemiTO 10 лет назад
That Noise!!! Omg, what a car!
@cwx8
@cwx8 10 лет назад
Surely you are referring to the M3 and not the "active sound" powered M235i
@sheharyarirfan
@sheharyarirfan 9 лет назад
jagerx N55 doesn't sound bad in any way at all. Go live with a car with that engine for a while and you'll know what i'm talking about. Countless people have complimented the sound of my 335i (including girls) and no one ever has said its bad.
@cwx8
@cwx8 9 лет назад
Sheharyar Irfan Yes it does. I had a 135i for one year and sold it because it was absolutely boring. So quiet. And that was the N54 which was considered less refined and more raw than the N55.
@sheharyarirfan
@sheharyarirfan 9 лет назад
I guess more refinement was needed to the sound then. How can you possibly not like this watch?v=laZccsBm4uQ
@cwx8
@cwx8 9 лет назад
Sheharyar Irfan That vid is really enhanced, and you're talking about a full exhaust system. Exhaust noise is still only half the equation. Ever tried downshifting in your 335i? It makes absolutely no sound when not under load. Try doing the same in an E46 M3. It's engaging and visceral. Induction noise is nonexistent in the N55. But hey.. fuel economy, right?
@smsuperman1219
@smsuperman1219 10 лет назад
That m3 looks way better than the new 2014 models. They all look swollen and rounder. Nothing looks sharp. Like fluffy cars. At this rate their future cars will look like vw beetle. Bmw needs to fire their exterior designer. 1 series looks better. 2 series same car but ugly design. 3 series still looks great though. The only one unchanged.
@derbigpr500
@derbigpr500 10 лет назад
Are you blind? You say E46 looks good because the F30's are swollen, round and not sharp? Go take a look at both cars....most lines on the F30 are sharp, most lines on the E46 are round. F30 has a much sharper design, and much better proportions. Some people should just keep their opinions to themselves when it comes to design, because F30 is a better design in every possible way, and way more beautiful than E46 from any angle...that is in the eyes of people who are not blinded by nostalgia and hate towards anything that's new.
@eamh2002
@eamh2002 10 лет назад
derbigpr500 Eww brainwash smells all the way here :D Truth is e46 looks alot better. Design that breaks down in the long run isnt better either.
@smsuperman1219
@smsuperman1219 10 лет назад
derbigpr500 M135i looks sportier, more tough, and athletic. It's like when you start lifting weights. Get muscular, get girls attention. They think "I look this good because I work out and got bigger, more defined muscles. I should workout even more and the bigger my muscles get the more attractive I become." It backfires when they get too big they look fat swollen and now have harder time getting girls. Overdoing anything and not balancing things out sometimes leads to failure. M235i is an over bloated car and it doesn't matter how much lines you put on it, it won't cover up the car's shape. M135i better looking than m235i. Period
@kraenk12
@kraenk12 10 лет назад
derbigpr500 People who say the F30 looks better than the epic and timeless E46, one of the best BMW designs ever, really need to get some glasses. hell....and I don't wanna see the girls you get with your new muscles. mind over matter haha
@eamh2002
@eamh2002 10 лет назад
Agreed, new designs are like cancer that converts your vision :D The newest m5 looks the best of new bmw's but the other models have a damn ugly front grille in every model.
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas 10 лет назад
M3 CSL... I remember driving that car on the Hockenheim Circuit. It was such an amazing machine.
@jamescutter8760
@jamescutter8760 9 лет назад
An M3 that's 11 years old still beating modern cars! Nough said
@GripEnemy.
@GripEnemy. 10 лет назад
BMW are making better and better cars. But that legendary e46 m3 CSL is beyond anyting else. I would take that car in a heartbeat over any other BMW!
@Mrcloc
@Mrcloc 10 лет назад
Except an E60 M5 :)
@GripEnemy.
@GripEnemy. 10 лет назад
The V0 in the E60 is beyond anything else, however that car is littered with problems, despite that its one of my favouire cars.
@TurboBMRProjectLove
@TurboBMRProjectLove 10 лет назад
Mrcloc bmw made that car way too heavy. its like 4,000lbs
@GripEnemy.
@GripEnemy. 10 лет назад
Nelson Vargas 1855KG to be precise. That's not bad seen as though it comfortably sits 5 people, has luxuries and can go over 200mph non restricted!
@TurboBMRProjectLove
@TurboBMRProjectLove 10 лет назад
an m5 shouldn't be close to that weight. m5 should weigh no more than 3400 lbs. i mean come on, the car is 100k US. BMW shouldn't be skimping out on exotic materials like carbon fiber to bring the lbs down. With the introduction of the i3 and i8 i'm sure BMW will make lighter M cars and the new m3 / m4 shows that.
@iantownsend5480
@iantownsend5480 8 лет назад
The E46 M3 was Bmw at its very best
@oooining
@oooining 8 лет назад
Yes, I thought the M235i and the M2's inline-sixes sounded good until I watched this.... Man, does that inline-6 in that M3 CSL sounds amazing.... My balls tingle just by listening to that brilliant inline-6.....
@RobbieKhan
@RobbieKhan 8 лет назад
That's the benefit of that air intake the CSL uses. You can get very very close to CSL induction noise on the normal E46 M3 by upgrading the stock airbox to a carbon one like the Evolve Eventuri, or GSR CSL style airbox, or pay the full whack and install a genuine CSL airbox. A small boost in engine response is had and the noise, the noise is just unreal, especialy 3000-4500rpm where it barks like the CSL. I have various videos up for anyone interested!
@naughtysuperior
@naughtysuperior 8 лет назад
+Robbie Khan good to know... Do u have any vids 9n ur channel?
@RobbieKhan
@RobbieKhan 8 лет назад
+NaughtySuperior Quite a few, take a look of you have time!
@lipslide101
@lipslide101 6 лет назад
I love how he casually drifts while explaining everything
@rare6499
@rare6499 10 лет назад
E46 still looks perfect
@RandomVideosFirst
@RandomVideosFirst 10 лет назад
NOT TWIN TURBO MY MAN, SINGLE TURBO!
@RandomVideosFirst
@RandomVideosFirst 10 лет назад
***** Single turbo!
@RandomVideosFirst
@RandomVideosFirst 10 лет назад
***** So a single turbo , as i stated lol I'm out
@oneaburns
@oneaburns 10 лет назад
To be fair, they call it a twinpower turbo to signify it has two scrolls in one housing. Now, is that the same as a two turbos? No. But it's better than having one traditional turbo and in some ways even better than two standard turbos (less turbo lag, fewer mechanicals, etc.)
@mrdragancelan
@mrdragancelan 10 лет назад
Not even a minute into the video and he says "twin turbo" twice. You can imagine my disappointment. I was happy to see your comment. I'm glad I'm not the only who can differentiate between an N54 and N55 engine.
@m5pilot397
@m5pilot397 9 лет назад
Double F Gamer BMW's marketing is confusing. Lots of folks mis-speak about the "Twin-Power" BMWs. It's BMW's fault, and I'm not sure they care.
@marcthemarc5102
@marcthemarc5102 10 лет назад
The E46 is still the most beautiful and most pure BMW :)
@weed46
@weed46 10 лет назад
The CSL probably had the 10 year old tires aswell, you can see the the CSL is not griping as much and all that oversteer is the proof. Even the regular M3 has loads of traction, the CSL should have even more. I reckon the CSL is more than a second faster than the M235i
@fadliarfi1591
@fadliarfi1591 8 лет назад
M3 CSL for god sake.... a living legend
@carfanatix7191
@carfanatix7191 8 лет назад
+Fadli Arfi azzh0le
@ravenstylea2
@ravenstylea2 10 лет назад
He does great reviews! I love how he explains the cars and how different they are dynamically from one another. Awesome.
@crossphaded
@crossphaded 10 лет назад
Long live the E46! Still the best of both digital and analog worlds before electric steering and prodigious curb weights took over. Its a shame they didn't offer a 6MT in the CSL, but its still will go down as one of the greatest M cars ever. Yes, the N55 powered BMWs with software tune can smoke the E46 M3, but overall handling dynamics and that sweet S54 motor make it a better sports car package IMO. Awesome track battle!
@AtlisWerks
@AtlisWerks 10 лет назад
"modern cars tend to be heavier" - no they don't - CSL is lighter because BMW did everything to make it lighter... ;)
@niall300zx
@niall300zx 10 лет назад
the csl is a particularly light car yes, but modern cars do tend to be heavier. thats a fact. take and e30 3 series compared to a e90 , compare an old ford escort to a new focus. even teh new range rover with so much plastic in it is 400kg heavier than the original. modern cars are bigger and heavier.
@_chipchip
@_chipchip 10 лет назад
uhhhh, yes they do. That's well documented.
@AtlisWerks
@AtlisWerks 10 лет назад
Similarly sized cars weigh almost the same as they did it the past. Not all of them, but M235i does.
@niall300zx
@niall300zx 10 лет назад
but thats part of the point Marian, each generation of cars are getting bigger as well as heavier. e30 m3 - 1165kg e36 m3 - 1460kg e46- m3 1570kg e90m3 - 1605kg. i didnt bother listing all the other measurements, but as you can expect, the newer cars are larger
@lemonpaper
@lemonpaper 10 лет назад
Marian Cihoň The reason why is greater safety requirements. The newer cars tend to be heavier.
@ankoudryashov
@ankoudryashov 8 лет назад
SHOW ME WHERE CAN I GET AN M3 CSL FOR 35k!!!
@Patr1ck2332
@Patr1ck2332 8 лет назад
It's called inflation over time
@Nutty-sd6nl
@Nutty-sd6nl 7 лет назад
Patrick Tomlinson no it isn't, it's appreciation
@tgdhsuk3589
@tgdhsuk3589 5 лет назад
exactly its 75k
@marinojaki867
@marinojaki867 5 лет назад
Min 50 k...
@elazotacunaos4752
@elazotacunaos4752 4 года назад
Now more like nearly 100K
@KRBY555
@KRBY555 6 лет назад
He was right about appreciating classic. Back to this video again years later. Where is this dude. He can wheel hard.
@gabo12e30
@gabo12e30 8 лет назад
You should do a comparison between the new M2 and the e46 M3. Thanks.
@Benbidmead
@Benbidmead 10 лет назад
Got to get the chance to ride in the 235i while my dad took this for a test drive, felt absolutely incredible on the B roads. The engine sounds epic, I don't think you can really appreciate how awesome it feels until you're in it.
@soundseeker6323
@soundseeker6323 9 лет назад
I don't think BMW will ever better the E46 CSL for looks, noise or handling. As the driver said, modern cars are always getting heavier and more loaded up with tech that takes control away from the driver. The M235 is great car against its modern competitors, but the CSL is just magical. Although it's probably a bit hard and spartan to use as an every day car, I'd still take it over the 235.
@cristiandemirel1918
@cristiandemirel1918 10 лет назад
It's quite sad that BMW will never build another car like the CSL!
@lorenzomaillard3650
@lorenzomaillard3650 10 лет назад
The M3 GTS was a kind of CSL for the e92 M3 :)
@jamescutter8760
@jamescutter8760 10 лет назад
Hopefully they will do something with the M4 but it won't be the same as the mighty CSL :)
@cristiandemirel1918
@cristiandemirel1918 10 лет назад
Lorenzo Maillard Yes, well said: "a kind of CSL"! The M3 GTS had character and an amazing engine, but felt more like a publicity stunt, than a car engineer's dream, in my opinion! For my taste, there are only three real driver's cars: the M3 CSL, the CLK 63 AMG and the 911 GT3 RS 4.0! Of course, everyone of us would like to drive a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, a Pagani or a Bugatti etc., but those cars are more for showing off, their engineering principle being more "drive by wire", than "drive by feel"! Of course, every car can be enjoyed and my list could be bigger, but those three, i think, are at the top of their game!
@JimmyChannel2
@JimmyChannel2 10 лет назад
James Cutter Unfortunately not from what I heard in BMW Blog. The current snobby boss at ///M thinks that there's no reason to do so because the F80/F82 are already at least 80kg lighter than the previous models. Still, its much heavier than the E46 CSL so I think they ought to do a CSL edition. And make the engine rev to at least 8200rpm.
@lorenzomaillard3650
@lorenzomaillard3650 10 лет назад
Yeah you're right about the GTS, not mentioning the price they were asking for when it came out! I agree for the GT3 RS 4.0 and the CLK 63. I also want to ad that these kind of cars, a bit stripped out (roll cage, less equipements), dynamically improved and more track focused should be the entry level price and not the other way around ;) I'm a bit too optimistic here...
@Pogost1ck
@Pogost1ck 10 лет назад
Some really nice videos from you lately! Thanks for that, really enjoy it!
@RusserzGaming
@RusserzGaming 10 лет назад
twin turbo ? isnt it a single twin-scroll turbo ?
@bagster60
@bagster60 10 лет назад
Yeah it is.
@thiccboi1726
@thiccboi1726 6 лет назад
yeah twin turbo was the n54, m235i has the n55
@pauldodds8312
@pauldodds8312 5 лет назад
Your right its is a single turbo.. i cant believe auto express got that massive detail wrong
@pauldodds8312
@pauldodds8312 5 лет назад
@@thiccboi1726 none of them are twin turbo.. unless you look at the dirty diesels
@toly78
@toly78 10 лет назад
I am happy to own E46 M3 6-speed Coupe in Imola Red and I can tell you that even 7 years since I got it, this car still delivers big pleasure and excitement every time I sit behind the wheel. For many years after E46 M3, BMW has struggled to produce something more exciting and more appreciated for the hard core fans, but to my opinion without success
@Richard-jo2lr
@Richard-jo2lr 5 лет назад
I am an m235i owner and very happy with everything it comes with in the fact that this car is no pure M car no, doubt the CSL is a special car but reviewers to keep comparing the m235i with pure M performance means bmw did something right with the m235i
@MarkCalica
@MarkCalica 9 лет назад
The M235i is not available with a DCT, but a very good ZF 8 speed auto that can shift as fast as a dual clutch... no clue why this tester said it was available with a DCT...
@MrBusunglueck
@MrBusunglueck 9 лет назад
Mark Speed6 you can get a race version for 24 hour races without road legalness. even that has got an 8speed zf, so i doubt you can get a dct. hes just wrong.
@gboy888
@gboy888 10 лет назад
Great comparison video! Been waiting to see how the e46 holds up to the new generation.
@alvindiaz8088
@alvindiaz8088 10 лет назад
He f*cked up by getting the E46 with an SMG.. I love that car though!
@FRonTLinES10064
@FRonTLinES10064 10 лет назад
The CSL only comes in SMG. That's the part that kinda sucks.
@dln.sweeney
@dln.sweeney 9 лет назад
FRonTLinES10064 At least the CSL's SMG is apparently a bit better, on a track at least. I've never driven one but I understand that the software tweaks helped that transmission considerably.
@cameronmilne3590
@cameronmilne3590 9 лет назад
FRonTLinES10064 However it is was a manual it would already be a £80k car. The SMG is a blessing in disguise to a certain extent.
@crepu33
@crepu33 10 лет назад
This guy is one of the best (if not the best) presenters among all car channels on youtube. Want more of his reviews and/or track battles please
@pmartocc
@pmartocc 10 лет назад
maybe you missed the mistakes in the video... simple details that a car enthusiast should absolutely know .. for instance .. the M235 is NOT a twin turbo but a single scroll turbo and is NOT offered with a dual clutch but a ZF 8speed tranny. This guy is reading a script or something .. no way someone misses those things and is a BMW enthusiast.
@crepu33
@crepu33 10 лет назад
Phil Anthony zf 8-speed IS a dual clutch tranny, but I honestly don't know if engine is twin turbo or not. Anyway mistakes are for humans. Giving so much feedback to viewers while driving the hell out of a car is not easy. I enjoy his commentary and driving skills a lot. Still think he is one of the best out there... but that's just me ;)
@MrBiohazard878
@MrBiohazard878 10 лет назад
crepu33 No it's not.
@anotherone10
@anotherone10 10 лет назад
crepu33 Phil Anthony The M235i has the N55 engine which uses a single, twin scroll turbo. The older BMW turbo inline 6, called the N54, had a twin turbo setup. And the ZF 8-Speed box it uses is a regular torque converter automatic, not a dual clutch.
@crepu33
@crepu33 10 лет назад
irfuel anotherone10 MrBiohazard878 Phil Anthony ZF 7-speed is dual clutch, but not this 8-speed... you are all correct :) But this does not change my view about the presenter himself
@lonersanonymous
@lonersanonymous 10 лет назад
M235i for the daily grind. M3 CSL for the weekends.
@doublevanoz
@doublevanoz 8 лет назад
CSL all day f that lil turbo shit
@jrmb242
@jrmb242 8 лет назад
M235i is not an M car, it's not even a 3 series car. Considering it has new "Comfort/IT" technologies E46 lacks, and uncomparably lower "total cost of ownership" (especially mileage, but in Germany also insurance + taxes) I think it's quite amazing it achieved the same lap time as E46 M3, yet alone M3 CSL. For the same price I'd pick the the new M235i over now aged E46 M3 (including CSL version) anytime. In fact I'd pick it over E46 M3 even if that one would be brand new too, because it is simply cheaper to maintain and more suitable for today's "normal usage". And I say it as someone who considers E46 M3 the most beautiful BMW ever.
@massiveglove2960
@massiveglove2960 8 лет назад
I would pick the M235i too - but it wouldn't be cheaper to own. Depreciation is the biggest cost to consider
@aram442
@aram442 10 лет назад
Im amazed by the looks of that M3 such a old car to be cool and modern looking to this day
@dailyforman
@dailyforman 10 лет назад
m3 CSL will keep its value much much better its not even comparable..
@jamescutter8760
@jamescutter8760 10 лет назад
Liked the vid before I even watched it. Knew it was going to be a good one. The best thing is I saw a CSL yesterday and walked around it. Just love it! :D
@k24hybrid
@k24hybrid 9 лет назад
Excellent video!!
@pcasso87
@pcasso87 10 лет назад
Great video guys, please make an E92 M3 vs M4 comparo when possible. Keep up the good work.
@Diebaas407
@Diebaas407 6 лет назад
The induction noise on that CSL is just fantastic! Want to listen to that everyday all day!
@joeweaver5712
@joeweaver5712 10 лет назад
Owen is a great reviewer and driver - really enjoy his videos. Shame no-one else at Auto Express comes close to this guy.
@heavnbound
@heavnbound 8 лет назад
I love those shift lights on tach, and also looks surprisingly modern for its time
@Halfmoon67
@Halfmoon67 10 лет назад
I love this guy, very clever comments, sharp driving skills. Excellent video, thanks for posting it!
@dilawer321
@dilawer321 10 лет назад
Great review
@Shukz123
@Shukz123 2 года назад
Those CSL wheels are timeless
@bele77
@bele77 10 лет назад
very good review, very objective and thorough...
@iantownsend5480
@iantownsend5480 10 лет назад
With all that said it looks far better than even the normal E46 m3 cost £60,000 new had 360 hp & what an noise sounds amazing
@TerminatorTX11
@TerminatorTX11 10 лет назад
I would take the E46 M3 in a hearbeat, an absolutely masterpiece of a machine ! //M Power!
@sillwuka
@sillwuka 10 лет назад
Great review.
@PegasusVDK
@PegasusVDK 5 лет назад
The old BMWs were unsurpassed cars in design and in the emotions they could give ⭐
@nikb6528
@nikb6528 8 лет назад
Great video and where's this reviewer nowadays? He did a great job! I love the CSL a bit more than the 235i, but the M2, coming out in March, will be a whole other weapon!
@ellomirza
@ellomirza 10 лет назад
The fastest thing in this video is that guy's mouth. Jeezus H Cristos, yakety yakety yak.
@nmeister67
@nmeister67 10 лет назад
Awesome video! Good comparison to make and well executed by the presenter! Really nice to see the M3 CSL actually bettering the new car in some ways. Be interesting to see how the new M2 or M3 will stack up. Wont expect them to beat it in the looks department at least ;)
@JimmyChannel2
@JimmyChannel2 10 лет назад
I thought the most extreme E46 M3 was the rare GTR with a V8 engine.
@grimm6jack
@grimm6jack 4 года назад
Very few of those exist... I think it's less than 10 worldwide.
@chemicalsr20
@chemicalsr20 10 лет назад
great "review" subscribed !!
@nicenow25
@nicenow25 9 лет назад
Auto Express this Video is very insiteful and informational, can you do a m2 vs CSL when the m2 launches please.
@nicenow25
@nicenow25 8 лет назад
+Auto Express ok so can you do this now?
@pascutia
@pascutia 10 лет назад
You cant compare a m3 csl which was a SPECIAL edition of the m3 to the m235i.The m235i isnt even a full m product.
@infidel900rr
@infidel900rr 10 лет назад
Great Review!! Just subscribed.
@rdvideoclips
@rdvideoclips 10 лет назад
I don't normally comment, but excellent video guys!
@willywillywillywillywilly
@willywillywillywillywilly 9 лет назад
Two errors: the 2 series doesn't have a twin turbo, it's a single turbo with two scrolls. And, it's not offered with a twin clutch auto, it's a ZF torque converter.
@stelongy1
@stelongy1 9 лет назад
Csl has half a tank of fuel and Cup tyres (semi slicks) whilst M235i has full tank of fuel and pilot super sport tyres (road tyres) Well done M235i!
@AceITH007
@AceITH007 9 лет назад
I have a. Z4M coupe, and it feels great to own a future classic naturally aspirated straight 6. Love that csl though.
@NeilMagill
@NeilMagill 10 лет назад
A great video review, thanks for uploading. That CSL sounds fantastic. A true M car at its best.
@HisnameisRich
@HisnameisRich 3 года назад
I took a drink every time he said 8,000 rpm and now I have no booze left
@tepeke88
@tepeke88 10 лет назад
Owen rocks! Common man u gotta give us the porsche 918 vs maclaren p1, epic!!!!!
@Trialshoppl
@Trialshoppl 9 лет назад
This presenter is incredible. It's very difficult to talk while driving quickly let alone to form and convey such thoughts as 5:31 while driving a fast car on it's limit.
@lilbighassan
@lilbighassan 8 лет назад
I'd love to know what tyres it was running through this test. I know the CSL comes with semi slick tyres as standard, if it was running those tyres through this, the CSL would be at a massive advantage.
@johnDe5tr0yer
@johnDe5tr0yer 5 лет назад
Almost 5 years later, CSLs have a price tag of €80k, it is unbeliveable how expensive did they become. Regular E46 M3 are still going for 1/4 of that price and if anyone wanted E46 M3, it's now or never.
@presidenttrump2089
@presidenttrump2089 3 года назад
Surely it's impressive that the M235i is only 85kg heavier than the M3 CSL?!
@_J.P._
@_J.P._ 7 лет назад
Just a fun fact: BMW had a E46 M3 sedan and touring ready to be made but decided to keep it exclusive and thus created the M3 as a coupe only :) if you google the sedan and touring you will find real life photos of both. They do exist but only within the walls of BMW central in Germany.
@thesrt8dodge
@thesrt8dodge 10 лет назад
E46 M3 is still one of my fav Beemers ever, and one of the best looking BMW.
@rafaelmourafernandes
@rafaelmourafernandes 4 года назад
The CSL is a masterpiece.
@rtorbs
@rtorbs 4 года назад
Fast forward to 2020 and that 35k CSL is 50 to 100k
@yungfinstaaa7474
@yungfinstaaa7474 10 лет назад
I think BMW should release some more exclusive E46 M3 models for sale, the sales would just rack up for BMW! I would be one of them!
@davidhayes4814
@davidhayes4814 7 лет назад
So the heavier, less powerful modern car is as fast as the older classic. I reckon that the M235i has a result there!
@TheLogicprouser
@TheLogicprouser 9 лет назад
Great video and comparison but please learn your stuff about the cars first. The M235i is a single turbo (twinscroll) and does not come with dual clutch option- it's a single clutch 8-spd zf auto box.
@MrElnuno
@MrElnuno 8 лет назад
Not making a decision on one car at the end of a car comparison is something I find very annoying when you start out by saying "let's find out which one is best".
@BIGpoppaKEGdog
@BIGpoppaKEGdog 10 лет назад
BMW M3 CSL cost around 100k in Australia, we really get the short end of the straw with European cars over here. Our Japanese car scene makes up for it though.
@alextruswell5879
@alextruswell5879 Год назад
Watching this now 8 years on - 34k for a CSL haha now there’re 80k and up. Mad to see how much they’ve appreciated and a 235i can be picked up for as little as 14k
@Euphorica
@Euphorica 10 лет назад
you need to do some e36 m3 reviews/comparos
@steventhoseby
@steventhoseby 10 лет назад
Great test but just 2 points I need to mention. Firstly, the M235i is a single turbo not a bi turbo, it was the 1M that had the bi turbo motor. Secondly, its not available with a dual clutch transmission but rather with the fantastic ZF 8 speed.
@SONOFAZOMBIE2025
@SONOFAZOMBIE2025 10 лет назад
At the risk of offending the fanboys, i think the Benz C32 of the day, would belt both of these - street and track.
@Rozgreez562
@Rozgreez562 7 лет назад
It's a Single Twin Scroll Turbo. Mimics 1 large and 1 small Turbo working together. Not Dual Clutch in Automatic. It's a ZF 8 speed with torque converter and locking plate. M2 has Dual Clutch.
@peterburian8374
@peterburian8374 6 лет назад
Yes, BMW calls it "twin turbo" but there is only a single turbo with two scrolls. Twin scroll turbo chargers split the exhaust into two channels, This maximizes the efficiency of the turbocharger.
@kendall280z
@kendall280z 10 лет назад
I'd have the M3 with a manual gearbox...
@eddardstark5951
@eddardstark5951 10 лет назад
the CSL didn't come with a manual gearbox
@kendall280z
@kendall280z 10 лет назад
Dammit :(
@pitzz84
@pitzz84 10 лет назад
Kendall Handan It's quite easy to swap manual gearbox ;)
@kendall280z
@kendall280z 10 лет назад
***** cool :D
@floridaheat305
@floridaheat305 6 лет назад
Especially since it’s the same gearbox you just need the shifter assembly and a slave cylinder
@christopherledesma4504
@christopherledesma4504 3 года назад
The E46 M3 one of my favorite cars. Hardly ever see this cars on the road now days.
9 лет назад
Any chance for a review of the xDrive version of the M235i in a near future?
@bmw.pi314
@bmw.pi314 8 лет назад
Will AutoExpress compare the E46 against the M2!? 😃
@Gr8mate13
@Gr8mate13 4 года назад
why it cant beat a M235i the M2 will cane it, M2 Competition more so and the M2 CS even more, E46 is a bygone era.
@wever333
@wever333 10 лет назад
So if you wernt going as hard on the brakes with the M3 CSL, and a brake kit upgrade and it would be faster around the track guaranteed.
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