Bobby Fischer Hated Chess 

this so facts.

I agree with Bobby Fisher.

He was just sad that the game for 15 movies was all the same... that people were just playing theory instead of having fun in the game.

I wonder how he would consider 5th Dimensional Chess.

Don’t we all

makes a lot of sense. Natural chess was lost due to competition

Yes. A good analogy is the Rubix cube. All memorization. Nothing special. However giving someone a mixed up cube while you are also holding a mixed up cube and have the person match your mixed up cube in a very short time would be very impressive.

No, but you can memorise method and question 'types'.

But then there's very little room for improvement. People would be stuck at their current level, because very few people are able to improve without some sort of guidence.

@@mariannenguyenf2433 Solving a rubik's cube to a specified scrambled state requires no more creativity than solving it normally to the normal solved state. The method is identical, it just takes a bit longer for obvious reasons.

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Wow. Facts

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Other grandmaster: I know what will happen in 10 moves Bobby: Jews

Very true

Exactly

Books and computers and memorization of moves made chess a dull game according to fischer. hikaru only talks about computers, wtf?

@@scottwarren4998 I think Hikaru kind of missed the idea. Fischer never said nothing else had changed. he was specifically talking about chess and only chess. I do understand though that pretty much any grand master today almost has to defend chess for his or her own self. It is pretty well understood that chess has been "solved" and the road to the top is memorizing theory. Whoever can memorize the furthest into the open and middle game will be left with the preferable position going into endgame. Still need the talent and study time as games can still be lost in endgame but it sure is nice to have the advantage going into it.

For real? 🤣

yeah I think he actually makes a decent point. There's a bit of mystery missing from chess when everyone knows what to do through the first 5-15 moves (depending on level)

Yeah, and i agree with his whole oppinion about this.. simpler example is tic tac toe, there is one theory and the game is basically dead

Another way to say it might be the opening has expanded into and through the middlegame. i.e the Berlin draw

Personally I agree. The tens of openings are just boring. "Oh he's playing the Kings Indian, no it's the King's Indian Rejected! Then Black can only do this or else its a loss!!!!!!!" - wow, such entertainment.

I am sad that BF didnt got to see Alpha Zero. I think Chess on the last 3 years evolved into a new-unsolved frame with all the space domination and opening breaking. Now with such a powerful tool, a move that felt bad in the past is now great.

Hikaru doesn't have to worry, only world champions have to worry xD

@@chotu221 f***k, that's hurt man 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@chotu221 I know right, he’s only the best blitz player of all time...

@@Redhawk24 ...magnus carlsen???

@@parallaxlq1556 in the video, Bobby and Hikaru say it’s difficult to distinguish between the ‘best’. No matter what hikaru is one of the best and I think that’s respectful to say the least.

Good point! And yes, Hikaru's obliviousness is indeed funny.

@S N E E D money ISNT real!! Agreed

hikaru gets nervous when fischer says that talent comes low on the list. people will now think that hikaru isn't so smart, and hikaru fears that. Why does hikaru fear that? because hikaru has a big ego.

@S N E E D I swear to god I typed isnt and someone changed it i would never say money is real lmao

I thought it was even funnier that he bitched about modern chess and Hikaru missed the point completely and said any game/sport is like that lol.

I don't think chess is meaningless, although it might be weirdly meaningful in proportion to the lack of knowledge one has about the game. A novice plays pure chess throughout the entire game. A grandmaster plays pure chess for a while after much rote memorization, and then at some point he returns to rote memorization. Fortunately, no human being will ever have the computational abilities to "figure out" chess, so there will always be some meaning to the game, but it certainly would be nice if something like Fischer random became a bigger thing so that more pure chess could be played among high level chess players.

@@williamkoscielniak7871 fisher random should be an official FIDE format. Classical random games would be amazing to watch.

@@marianorivera3272 I would watch even the most boring Fischer Random games any day!

Dangerous thing to say there's zero problems with what Fischer says

Zero problems in what bobby Fischer said, I agree

*"I've been a good boy this mont- wait a minute you're a hobo?!?!!?? What are you doing here?"*

Actually he does look like the neighbor of Kevin from Home Alone

That's not Karl Marx?!

but u play chess like a mall santa :\

That's what being confined in a Japanse prison gives you.

.... in the History of cheese 6:24

@@davidellenberger3852 lmao

Ah yes, Mr Blanket. After he retired from playing, he became a commentator. I hear he covered many games.

I hope a real life GM adapts that username. haha

@@davidanderson_surrey_bc... being that good he gave the competition the sheets

Or they calculate themselves into resignation....

I can imagine this is why my buddy likes playing with me. I know so fucking little about the game or strategy, that me just fucking around brings a little more fun to him than playing with human computers.

@@jondoe8014 that would make for some great tournaments.

Perhaps Chinese Go would take over...... Cant memorize.... And the advent of Computers would be irrelevant.

I used to play chess now I play GO its amazing there's computers that show you strong play but it's almost impossible to memorize openings ot feels really raw its great!

But everything naturally gravitates towards maths and statistics. Science, bich.

I agree, but mathematics is one of the most fascinating and creative "invention" of all time

Its not directly mathematics though, If it was simply pure mathematics based on "whats the probability of that move being next" it wouldnt be that boring, The bad thing with chess that it is very objective, in other sports you have hella random variables that AIs cant replicate as of right now like timing (just imagine the seconds/milli seconds as differences how much that is), speed, the opponent movement, list goes on forever. literally. Meanwhile in chess if you are moving your pieces with there being pure objectively best choices, and you can have the scenarios already played out in your head by learning through the computer.

Mathematics is raw creativity. Ask anybody who did an undergrad in math (or a PhD!) how creative you need to be. Fischer's point was about chess being based on memorisation and theory after the advent of powerful computers and deep tree search algorithms. Not sure why you are confusing that with mathematics.

@@edmonddantes4705 how is there creativity in numbers? there are oynly facts and one correct solution

Puffed wheat is what the man actually said...

@@OlJackBurton but not in the captions, and thats the point lmao

Maybe fischer just puffed weed right before the interview

@@OlJackBurton puffed weed is better than puffed wheat tho 🤷‍♂️

Frankly, I was surprised when Fischer said "puffed wheat", after searching his memory for the phrase that goes with "...the greatest thing since...". Usually the comparative is "sliced bread". But hey, puffed weed works for a lot of people too I guess.

Studying is not enough tho.

Gotta do more than that, my friend

Pattern recognition is huge here. Being able to see a recognised pattern and know what to do by mentally flick booking variations in your minds eye with theory knowledge makes the difference. Knowing why the pattern works in context is the key.

@@gm2407 So, a memory contest ?

@@gm2407 at the highest level where everyone pretty much got the pattern recognition thing down pat, memorization sets you apart from the rest... is what Fischer is saying. These 2700 - 2800 super-GMs already got those basics (strong positional play, end-game strategies, massive opening repertoire, mid-game tactics, etc). Ian won the candidates because he was more prepared, which equals seconds, computers, time, and memorization!

Exactly. I used to grind out games the moment I downloaded them with RU-vid tutorials, until I realized it ruined the plot, and/or natural learning curve of the game that had been meticulously designed by the developers.

Absolutely right. Absolutely right!

Don't worry, their's plenty enough games for those to still be around, and you still at least have the choice to do these things without internet help.

two types of gamers p: innovators vs optimizer

@@kingslead8369 There is no choice involved anymore, if you are passionate about something and wish to be involved in it, you ARE using the internet in conjunction with it to connect with others who share that same passion about it. By transitive property in using the internet, you are then bombarded with all of the info related to it that you have yet to discover about it on your own. The decision is out of our hands, to not use the internet is to limit yourself, but in doing so you kill the spirit of discovery. To say it is a real choice is delusional, it's more of an ultimatum to use the help or be separated from all of your likeminded peers.

Certainly! Any normal human would've crumbled in that situation in the middle of the cold war.

No proof of atleast Magnus not being able to do it. He's a stone cold killer at the highest level. He can suck those wins out of thin air.

Maybe Fischer also couldn't, that's why he eventually burned out.

@@tencizinec9583 but , he did.

@@viveknamikaze761 thats my opinion Magnus is a killer but he's also depends on many outside factors...Fisher did it alone.

But, you wouldn't find the magical tactics, sacrifices, the long term positions where you can win. I think it's just the opposite, a GM has to memorize a lot, but gets a lot more beautiful positions to appreciate

@@kevinmartincossiolozano8540 the problem with GM level play is that the memorization never stops, while in 1600 level you can just play and play. I think a lot of positions can be appreciated by the 1600 too by intuition.

It's not memoraisation it's more like in depth analysis. Basically it's like primary school maths vs University maths. Where in university maths u have to remember alot of formulas

@@Qhsjahajw That's just not true. I'm a math student, I haven't remembered a single formula in years... It actually involves a lot more creativity

@@kevinmartincossiolozano8540 wait wait wait! Which country are you from ???? Maths and creativity in the same sentence????? No formulas?????????

Better than that shit

HAHAHAA. Great point

Too soon 😢

@Tangent of circle.this is very true

Exactly!!! When I first saw the second movie my inmidiate thinking was "oh, this is just old Bobby Fischer"

he is right in other subjects as well.

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 Very much depends which ones.

Proff that hikaru being good at chess aka memorisation means nothing about intelligence and understanding of others. In my opinion, after learning a lot about bobby fischer and his life is that current chess players could be a lot more grateful for what he did at the time, since they wouldnt be able to play chess for a decent living if he didnt popularize it so much

@@phonesgiveeveryoneadhd2826 I too have looked into Fischer's life a fair bit, and I feel that ultimately it is a very sad story. Not room to elaborate here, but his was one of the most gifted chess minds ever to have existed. No question.

saying thar computers changes all games doesnt respond to Fischer whatsoever and Fischer obvi was not saying that

He’s not laughing at him, he’s humored by the point

no its not just you.

He’s laughing at the really bad closed captions you guys. He’s not laughing at Fischer at all in this video.

@@forrestrichard8133 true but he also doesn't get what Fischer is saying at all

Hikaru is a dirt bag for doing this, such a nerd

Never played it, but about to cause of this video lol. Chess has always felt like a good thing to improve my brain but I'm not gonna memorize openings just to compete with sweaty memory dudes. Fisherandom sounds like exactly what I want

Agreed

Maybe HE could be more "creative" because others were unfamiliar with his preparations or theory? Maybe others were getting better so it was forcing him to play tighter and he couldn't rely on talent alone. Ultimately chess (any professional game or sport) comes down to efficiency and that means eliminated wasted moves. Maybe his competition was just getting more efficient.

Agreed. I've just started with Chess 960 and find it much more fun as well. You have to be creative and think about the position right from the start, rather than play like a robot for the first 5+ moves. Moreover, in classic chess it's kind of discouraging, as a semi-new player, to know that, no matter how much potential/talent you have for the game in terms of intuition and creativity, you won't be able to go up in elo until you've done a ton of memorization work on opening theory, because you will be facing opponents who have been doing that work already, sometimes for decades. Those opponents will gain advantages (sometimes winning advantages) over you right from the 5+ first moves, just because they played the memorized perfect chess moves for that opening, and you haven't. Some people have tried to debunk the argument by saying that if Chess 960 becomes the main chess game, it will also start to have opening theory and will face the same issues. I think these people don't really understand what they are saying. Just think about how much opening theory and memorization work you have to do currently for just 1 single starting position. Of course you could eventually, decades from now, have the same kind of exhaustive opening theory for the 960 starting positions, but humans won't be able to memorize it as well as they do for 1 single position. That's just way too much information and Chess 960 will be about creativity and talent probably forever, unless humans evolve and their brain become like machines and/or they can live for hundreds of years (to memorize all that). Therefore, players of Chess 960 will have to work on the most beautiful chess qualities instead : improvisation, intuition, tactics, general strategical ideas, and end game mastery. Memorizing the first 5-10+ moves of a given opening will be a thing of the past.

Very well articulated, spot on analysis of the point that Fischer was trying to make.

Hikaru is definitely missing his point. He's not even trying to understand. It's obvious Hikaru likes chess for the competitive aspect, whereas Fisher what used to be the creative aspect. But yeah, like you said, they are in different points in their life.

Hikaru is trying to stand between so staying cool

He was so creative. That’s what he wanted to live for. He wanted chess to become more creative. But, you see, creativity comes from nether regions in the brain, from the nether regions in the universe. After his achievements, it would all become a BORE.

Is this bobby Fischer for reals?

@@lxaccaxl Yes.

Yup. Fischer has it right 100% here.

says the 10 year old

what i respect the most, he even made sure to say that it's only his opinion that he is the most talented ever - if he wanted to think that fair

I'll take Rebuttals to Claims Nobody Made for $100, Alex.

Lol Chess was the very thing that drove him insane. If I were him and got a clean slate I would not play again

@@tomsevcik1792 He's really not insane, just never liked celebrity and went off of professional chess. He's had a few random interviews since. Smart guy and seems very rational.

@@tomsevcik1792 Chicken or the Egg situation. With chess requiring a lot of creativity, it could also be that the game naturally attracts those that are eccentric and often erratic. Bobby had a tough life riddled with paranoia before he started playing chess.

@@tomsevcik1792 Well... how would it have? What was the way it did so?

I concur with your thoughts. And relate with them. The most amazing time in my chess life was the beginning. Learning the simple tactics and combinations and moving on to more difficult tactics and combinations. It supercharged my love for the game. I found such brilliancy and beauty in it. I couldn't believe the depth and genius of it all. Fast forward 10 years...and now I find myself endlessly studying openings for the last 2 years and stressing and hating myself for every mistake and lost game. Lol. The wins have become meaningless more often than not...while the losses and mistakes overtake me.

Less probably because at higher levels of play there's an even greater emphasis on prep and memorization than in his day.

There's no fun for a new player to get noobstomped by someone who has the main lines memorized. I think that's why a lot gravitate to chess puzzles. I also notice a lot of chess streamers seem to be working off of their memory. I appreciate most when Hikaru does non-mainline openings to show how a lot of strong players don't understand chess.

@@ReadingAdam Agreed. Magnus draws a lot of complaints for being "disrespectful" because he plays unusual openings that take you out of theory. I don't see it that way at all. He's making his opponent actually play chess, challenging them to show they know why they make the moves they make.

And situational hitting for the sake of home runs. 8 /

Well said Brian. Hickory Dickory Docks "achievements" in Chess are literally dwarfed by BF's record. Not even in the same league.

Bobby fischer played it 20 years ago , he maybe even invented it

Greatest thing since puffed weed

Sauce?

He would have came out of retirement 50 years later and reclaimed the world title. haha

He played it against Short about 20 years ago on ICC.

Yes..u r right he was asked about chess he answered about chess..Sometimes i think does Hikaru even listens to himself when he speaks..Most of the things Hikaru says are irrational..

Yeah that was fucking dumb from Hikaru. Also his analogy from basketball to chess made absolutely no sense. I lost respect for Hikaru in this vid.

@@jacquesstoop2587 And Fischer never claimed in the video to be the greatest player, he repeatedly avoids the question. He clearly pays tribute to Morphy and states that the reason he would be able to beat Morphy is due to greater theoretical knowledge, not raw talent.

@@ExplainedIn4Minutes he thinks too highly of himself to be self critical.

@@ExplainedIn4Minutes I think this is because Hikaru is the embodiment of what Fisher said, strong in theory n memorization

More every chess player now because if you don’t memorize hours of theory you lose. So not just players like Hikaru everybody.

yeah like that 'perfect game' he played the other day. It all came down to him knowing an insane depth of moves by heart, like his preparation was insane. And he won because of one minor detail. I don't see how that's fun anymore. The magic is completely gone

@@thatloserpig chess needs an improvement i see

@@kaushy well I think what is fun about chess now is gamemodes that are shorter. Like in bullet games are never the same and way more wild that sitting at a board for an hour

@@thatloserpig preferences i guess, i like longer games

People that play games competitively might disagree. Ask competitive players of any game how they feel about "RNG" and I think you'd be surprised. That's why the most popular competitive video games that have lasted over the years have fairly controlled competitive environments. Playing games for fun is great and the chaos can be fun, but people that derive joy from competition would probably prefer a more "controlled" environment. I think your touching on the idea when u said chess is "like a test to see if I can achieve it." I think that people wouldn't like to "test" themselves if their outcome is somewhat controlled by randomness.. Also, when you introduce competition to anything, its almost inevitable that people will seek the most optimal (and sometimes boring) ways to produce better outcomes for themselves. I don't think there's any avoiding that... But, if your just playing things for fun more power to you! My assumption is that people that play at the highest level have to actively find ways to enjoy the game or ultimately suffer burn out.

God asked me for a game of chess and I mated him in 32 moves

@@offer2ferry779 I analyzed the game and It showed 'mate in 32' from the the first move.😂

Bobby in heaven? Well, that would be a surprise for sure.

Isn't he Jewish?

I can totally see that happening lol

Really though this is more like a skill ceiling; in order to reach and possibly have a chance to break through the ceiling, to become the best in the world for a time, you need to know so much more than you did before. The skill floor for chess is essentially just being able to remember the rules (such as the way pieces are allowed to move and capture each other, you can't put yourself in check, etc.) and having some way to move the pieces.

It‘s more like you don‘t need to be good at chess foremost but good at studying/memorizing cuz u can beat people before u get to play on yourself

No. the skill floor has not risen. The memorization/theory floor has risen, and the players have gotten scared and safe to preserve their title/elo. Players like Anand and older players dominated over newer gms today because they weren't complacent and content to draw most games. Magnus is a great example. How many draws does he have?

-skill- knowledge floor.

@@OArchivesX correct -Ben Finegold rants about these very same things in modern chess. Everybody playing to draws, and nobody really dominates the way the older players did.

of course he loved chess. his creative mind didnt like being trapped in study

Who was the champion for 20 years? Oh right not fischer. Kasparov is the greatest there ever was, Fischer isnt even in the discussion

​@@Fantastikacommies lost kid

@@DaltonFalls I hate commies as much as any other sane person, however, the Commies won big time, sorry.

Yeah and I want a new character like an assassin or something to make the game more interesting

@@unistealth Couldn't agree more, maybe switch the board around too and add more colors

@@unistealth It's chess not Command and Conquer

This is 21st century. The opening theory should be one part of chess history of the last century..

They buffed the queen a few hundred years ago. Definitely overdue for a nerf

I understood that reference!

"mummy"

I understood that one actually

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I don’t get the joke 🤷🏾‍♂️

Yeah, fischer was the most brilliant player

Who was the champion for 20 years? Oh right not fischer. Kasparov is the greatest there ever was, Fischer isnt even in the discussion

I learned a new word, obviate

​@@Fantastika guess who was the champion for 27 years ?? Oh it's not Kasparov it's Emanuel Lasker

​@@Fantastika Guess who lost to a dying Tal, pff it's not Fischer. It's the greatest Garry Kasparov

A simple quote does not say anything.

@@M4rcLL it does, you just need to read it

This is true tho, I visited a mental hospital for my psychology field trip and there were 4 chess boards in the canteen.

@@M4rcLL Think about the quote instead of simply criticizing it. It makes perfect sense and says a lot.

@@Yash-ql7vn Bingo, domino etc..

Of course he is right. This is 21st century. The opening theory should be one part of chess history of the last century..

Its all pyschological. Its just personalities battling each other out given both players know equal amounts of info and theory. Its like a visual repsentation of a debate.

even if it does happen in other sports, it's perfectly fine to hate chess for that reason

analytics killed the mid-range shot in basketball

@@xKrypto98x Everyone still shoots it every game, nobody plays chess without computers at the highest level anymore.

Yeah exactly. Only by learning more openings, preparing more openings do you "get better". It's boring. It's why I stopped playing many years ago. I liked the tactics and strategy. But after I got to 1900 on the server I was playing on, I would start beating 2500 players if I knew the opening better than my opponent. And Hikaru saying that chess being built upon the past is false with computers. With computers, you don't need the past. Just look at Alpha Zero. It knew NOTHING of the past. Only the rules. And it was better than all humans and all other computer chess programs.

Most people find it necessary to trash everything Fischer said because of his Anti-Semitic views. It’s almost like in their minds, if they agree with one opinion Fischer has and acknowledge that he sounds logical and rational on that topic, in some roundabout way they’re agreeing with his Jewish conspiracies.

It's not even nitpicking its just straight up strawmaning.

@@GrubHuncher Fischer was ethnically Jewish, with his Mother, and his Father was apparently a Jewish doctor as well, who he did not grow up around and I don't believe has ever been proven as far as his identity. His Mother was involved in radical Bolshevik tinged politics throughout her life, instructing a young Fischer as to what to do if the police showed up at the door and began to question him on the individuals she was interacting with. Which is interesting here as he actually interacted with this world, and the Chess world itself was heavily populated by individuals with his same group.

I agree, I think fischers iq was 187. He knows what he is speaking

It's more complicated than that. You don't know what you're talking about

@@hmt4173 sounds right on the money to me, but of course you know more than Bobby 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@interceptingfist5682 ask any modern GM if they think there is no creativity or thinking involved in the opening, if it's all just memorization. It's not as simple as that.

@@hmt4173 have you ever played chess bro?

@@Archonsx Ive been playing for 12 years and I am 2200 chesscom blitz. Once again, ask any GM if they think the opening is nothing but memorization. They will tell you that it is not that simple. Most openings are still rich with new and unexplored ideas. Any idiot with a computer can let an engine run for 12 hours and memorize the top engine move. But that is simply not what masters do.

Good point

Solved one day? 😂 bro first of all, you can not make opinions based on a prediction you make , 2nd , it will NEVER be solved because it has more than 10^120 possible outcomes which is more than the numbers of atoms in the observable universe

Probably shouldn't idolize people, I think Fischer is a good example for that.

@@benjaminwilkin2960 He is my Idol because of his talent not by his attitude 😊

Puffed wheat

@Peaky Blinders why ?

He hated Jewish people lol

🙄

So why massive disrespect to him? I mean chess theory DOES make it more of a memorization game

You said exactly what I was thinking. Including the 3 braincell humour joke

Agreed. Hikaru also claims bobby fischer was the 'hardest working', when in one of Fischer's interviews on the Dick Cavette show, Fischer in his own words describes the other top players as "not very talented, they just work like dogs". There are other interviews where Fischer debunks claims that he has memorized thousands of games etc - his response was something like "It's wrong. Maybe I haven't even memorized one game". And I've seen evidence of this - most good chess players know the Morphy vs Duke game in Phildor's defense, and when Fischer commentated it in Yugoslavia, he had to look at a book for the moves. All in all - i don't agree that fischer was the hardest working, nor was he crazy. His talent and creativity is what made him the best, not his 'hard work' like the media always portrays (to make him seem bat shit crazy).

@@veechimo Exactly. And it's even disrespectful to the russians. Like, it was Fischer alone vs an entire team of russian players helping each other. How the hell would Fischer have worked MORE than an entire team together?? Hikaru basically called the russian team lazy fucks that way. Obviously Fischer overcame a whole team of pro players because he was more talented than all of them together.

Just because high level chess involves mostly theory and memorization should not stop you from enjoying chess though. Purposely staying at the lower levels, where all strategy goes out the window when you find yourself in uncharted waters can be fun, and there is also Chess960, which happened to be invented by Fischer himself as an update to chess. This is coming from someone who had only a marginal interest in chess up until a year ago

You have played and have realised how terrible you are at the game. Everything else is just excuses and rationalisation. Your 800 level opponent isn't gonna play ruy lopez theory until move 25. I'm 2100 and people still barely play 10-12 moves of theory. Git gud.

you're famous!

Wanna see him react to king sacrifice for the first time since it happened in real life.

hikaru doesn't fully internalize what fischer is saying here. fischer brings up both prep and memorization as a problem in his opinion, then proposes a random starting position in order to address this. his goal is to make creativity the most important factor in chess, again. hikaru addresses the first problem by saying computers have opened up more openings, which leads to fischer's second point - memorization. these new openings only work if you've memorized all of the variations. fischer proposes a solution to this while hikaru doesn't even discuss it. he claims fischer is naive, while he misunderstood the fundamental point fischer was trying to make.

I know right

@@deoTS1 hikaru is such a fool.

I've never heard of a checkers engine... neither are there robot teams playing basketball or baseball... I agree with everything you say, except a supposed invasion of robots; no, I can't think of a lot of classical sports, whether mental ones (which rely more on headpower than anything) or physical ones, such as basketball, which have experienced robots overtaking the humans. That was my only critique. I leave what I wrote above for anyone who cares which is no one. I've been proven wrong, so now I'm editing this.

@@PyuDeePhi It was only a hyperbole regarding the players’ ability to memorize and reproduce the moves, not actual robots. Yet…

Ever wondered why most of today's games seemsboring and lack excitement even at the highest level? It's because everyone has memorized and understood tons of moves that makes the game played based on the best moves analyzed by the computer. Nowadays, most games are won/lost based on the first person to make a suboptimal move well known by the opponent with the help of computers

@@PyuDeePhi first and foremost, chess is never and ever a sport. And there is nothing called mental sport. Sport is by definition physical activity. Anyways, second of all, he only did mean the chess when he said robots taking over. Ye know, Stockfish, Alpha0, Leelachess0, Dragon, Komodo, Stoofvlees etc... These engines make duels between them which do show human games as if they're children's game park. And last but not least, even if checker is a mental game, why the hell would we ever make an engine on checkers? Compared to chess (and I am not even talking about the fantastic GO), it's like a child's game. Besides, scientists and engineers and philosophers do build these brilliant, ground-breaking chess beast 4000 or sth elo engines not fer chess at all... Or not becuse they like chess one bit. They don't even care about chess. They do it fer much higher reasons: to test their thesisses about mind, cables, robotic systems, neurons etc. on these engines. And to improve the terms machibe learning and artifical intelligence. (I actually do think just like what Stephen Hawking came really closer to saying: If AI comes, it will probably be the end of the humanity).

@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius It will never come the way we imagine it imo. But we can imagine it coming until the end of our lifetimes.

He got insane in the end 😂😂

This should happen.

@@yugitube77 Sorry man he's dead

💀

Someone should make this into a video and put it in Hikaru's subreddit

Hikaru shows Bobby a seat. “Here, lets play.” Fischer grabs the seat and gazes at the bongcloud glory. Fisher finally opens his mouth, “You know the better trademark this before the Jews take credit.”

There is nobody today who has equaled Fischer's verifiable historical fact. Not a single one of them today is Fischer's equal.

I thought his winning streak was like 6+ years.

The point I was making is that other great players have streaks where they never lose a game--like the 125 game streak of Magnus--but Fischer's streak was winning 20 consecutive games against the top players in the world. No draws. No losses.

@@RS-np2bk Magnus longest winning streak was two years. Fischers was 6+ years Fischer was also 200 points above any of his competitors and had much tougher competition; Magnus can memorize but when that advantage gets taken away, he loses to Wesley

You are confusing "not losing" with "winning." Fischer did not have a 6 year win every game streak. @@bevs9995

What did he do with his life after he stopped playing chess?

" Morphy's quote that the ability to play chess well is the sign of a gentleman and the ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life... " 🤔

Elo shows how good you are compared to other players around. 2800 in 60s and 2800 in 2020s is not the same, because an average level increased significantly. It's just no comparison.

@@adbirdk the first "well" has to be emitted

@@danielwanger5919 omitted

You must mean Kappa Blanket.

@@maferreira1984 lol forreal?

@@yourdedcat-qr7ln ?

so is aa skewer on two kings, a checkmate?

@@yourdedcat-qr7ln According to the caption, that's his name. XD

Great point

yeah I don't think Hikaru was really following Fischer's point at all

I think he means that sports in general have evolved to the point that prep & science/computers and just generally things other than raw talent have become more important. In chess it's engines, but in physical sports it can be team strategies and tactics, athletic wear, sports medicine & therapy with cryo chambers and stuff, straight up doping, etc.

Exactly my thoughts. It's like Hikaru didn't give it enough thought. The point is that memorization is **dull**. See, Hikaru acts like Fischer is complaining about how competitive high level chess is right now. And that's not the point at all !

Hikaru’s IQ is like 102. Not much can be expected of him regarding his capacity to make arguments. People of course are gonna say Hikarus right because people are dumb and followers but impartially there is Fischer’s points were better and constructed better

@@mwtjay Hikarus iq is higher wtf - good luck calculating the stuff he does in seconds with a 102 iq

Yes you r right..Hikaru laughed bcs he wanted to avoid listening to the truth.. Chess960 offers more creativity..

Yep

@@ExplainedIn4Minutes oh you think? Yes for top-level chess that's true, but for anyone below 2000 rating you don't need a lot of opening theory

Plus you can't compare physical sports with chess. Skill and creativity are different when competing.

Google "puffed wheat"

Did you hear the interview he gave on the 11th September? Celebrating it and literally called for the killing of Jews, even though being one himself by ethnicity. He does not sound sain there.

@@Empobaer If you're calling him insane based on that, you're not using the word insane correctly. Also, I'm not justifying killing civilians in any scenario, but I think America is arguably the most evil country in the world. There is plenty of reason for people to want the American empire to fall. The American oligarchy has kept Africa, SE Asia and Central + South America at the bottom of the global economy for their own benefit. Corporations like Coca Cola and Exxon are actively and knowingly contributing to an inevitable mass extinction event by polluting the Earth with synthetic polymers. Our government constantly pushes out propaganda, and looks for ways to manipulate and distract the masses from the gradual collapse of our capitalist empire. If you don't believe me, just wait. Or do some research. Ted Kaczynski was our best chance at escaping this downward spiral, and nobody listened to him because the oligarchy-controlled mass media labeled him as insane.

@@Empobaer you made that up

@@tubeguy4066 if you are interested, I can search for the.interview again, if not I will not bother to do so

Crazy is codeword for antisemite, he simply hated jewish (which is a totally rational opinion to have) that's why they called him crazy

Which even hikaru and many other top GMs are too,

Maybe that’s why Fischer invented FRC

sounds like a typical Hearthstone player 🤣

they both transcended chess....... there is no current GM who has even come close intellectually

no they arent, not even close. Kasparov, Karpov and Carlsen are much much better.

this is so wrong its funny@@chandie5298

You have to stop thinking one dimensionally to understand this

YES! loool

I mean Garry Kasparov doesn't hold the same opinion. And Garry is the GOAT.

@@sylvesteruchia5263 You're talking about both Fischer and Kasparov and say that Kasparov is the "GOAT"?

Fischer is a nobody compared to Kasparov, lol. Who held the title for over 20 years? Kasparov, no Fischer@@lukerichardson2404

Kasparov disagrees.

@@Fantastika Then Kasparov is wrong & it won't be the first time!

@@shayblades6007 kasparov is the greatest chess player of all time, Fischer is a nobody compared to him

@@Fantastika @Fantastika Off topic, back in your box assw/pe.

oh someones mad because their favourite second rate chess player was insulted @@shayblades6007

True, that why bobby hated chess

That's pretty stupid, magnus is probably the least prepared , but still dominated the rest

Magnus is the least prepared , how do you know that ?

@@Qhsjahajw Magnus has a team of 6-10 GMs and super GMs, as well as several coaches, to help him prepare for big tournaments. All players in the top 10 are probably equally prepared.

@@antichrist.superstar the statement about the prep was wrong but magnus is by far the best outside of theory, and is very creative

I think Fischer said more actual chess goes on in the sub 1000 level of chess than master games because every move is their own

@@gordonramsdale But..., lets be honest, all this romantic style players are icons because they invented in the middle of a game a non book move, and that's why people love them and learn from them. I have studied some actual players games and they are all books theory and i have studied Fischers games and most of it is just pure genius, and i think he noticed that and suddenly hated the root chess was taking. That's what i catch from his words.

@@limemlohdnul4795 That's the entire point, they don't know any theory so they are playing chess not just memorisation

agree a good example is stafford gambit you just watch someone play it and you dont deserve to win if the opponent isnt aware about it

I'm the exact opposite of you. Theres this amazing massive world of knowledge in opening theory and I'm just fascinated by all of it that I want to know. At the top level its exhaustingly tedious and most people hate that, which is why we have variants like 960 or bullet, but I think I'm weird because I find the world of opening theory to be just as enjoyable as the creative tactics of the rest of the game. However I totally see Fischer's point in that high level classical chess has shifted toward valuing memorization and preparation over creative and skillful play, and understand how that could sour your feelings about chess in general.

YOU show some respect to GM Hakaru the best chest player in HISTORY JACK!

@@bravebeard6225 lol, your "best player in history" can't even beat Magnus Carlson, much less Bobby Fischer!

@@timothyhorrick2204 What are you talking about he HAS beaten Hakaru, and he could beat you blindfolded.

@@bravebeard6225 seriously? How many times has Hakaru beaten Carlson again?? And how many times has Carlson stomped a mud hole in Hakaru? Maybe you would you like to compare ELO's? Shoo fly don't bother me...

@@timothyhorrick2204 he beat carlson 6 times to my count. GOOGLE IT BOY

Baseball?

VAR in football

@@shaunwilletts9288 computers take away the beauty of chess while VAR actually increases it in football

@@jakefromstatefarm6969 I agree baseball has ruined baseball to a degree.

well hikaru apparently took an iq test and it was only 102..

agree

@Neal DoubleAA he did beat him. Carlsen drew one game and lost all other games.

What do you mean self-taught?? Thats the dumbest shit ever. Fischer literally learned russian just so that he could learn from the russian legends before him. He read book after book. He was amazing, but definitely not self-taught.

@Neal DoubleAA yeah I doubt he spoke the language though, probably just the very basic chess vocabulary

It's certainly a compelling case for BF being the G.O.A.T. My own view is that he is the greatest, but that's just my view. Bobby's respect for Morphy was always evident. In many interviews through the years Morphy was Bobby's reference point.

They used one of these self teaching AIs on the MOBA DOTA and they rolled the human pro team. Computers rule all.

Exactly. It's one of the very few times I strongly disagreed with hikaru

It's early to claim that computers can't widely become dominant. They have continually surprised us by dominating games like jeopardy, poker and Dota. Will technology bore us to death by leveling the competitive field? I don't know but It looks like it's heading that way.

@@alexnaturalis1179 Ever heard of singleplayer games? Or cooperative games? Not everything is competetive, and you can have competetive of humans vs humans without bots.

@@Spazticspaz Thats not a good comparison, the fact that it was based on fixed rules with limited amount of heroes and limited things to do on the map, and the AI played thousands upon thousands games against himself, obviously pro players gonna lose, its very different game, you could say is the same as you would play chess with only 2rooks and 2knights, and some pawns, ofcourse you would do bad, because you never played with such rules, but AI played it thousands upon thousands, if you would let pro team play it 50games, they would crush the dota OpenAI. it was the same with OpenAI Shadow fiend 1x1 mid, the AI kept destroying pro players for the first few weeks, and then the players learned and destroyed the Bot everytime afterwards so yeah games are not depending on maths so computers cant rule them i agree with it.

In fact, you can play on Lichess in Zen mode, which hides information about your opponent.

This is what happened to smash melee and why melee is not as hype anymore. There's not much more "discovery".

'It takes something beautiful and corrupts it, institutionalizes it". That's what the left hemisphere of the brain does when it is allowed to run amok. The computational aspect of the brain/mind overtakes the creative, imaginative, intelligent, embodied aspect of the brain/mind until all that is left is a deadened, memorized re-presentation of what was once alive, fresh, and novel.

@@jungshin87 Nah, I still think melee’s hype

It's how I feel about women

He wasn't laughing at Bobby Fisher. He was laughing when the guy with the accent said "the best player ever" and the closed caption translated it as "the masterbator".

He laugh at the subtitle "kappa blanket", and all

Nobody is mocking the Legend, we are laughing at the wrong captions... where's your Empathy? xD

I don't care, I just-I don't care chat. I don't care (x100)

If Bobby Fischer was alive today he'd turn in his grave.

Call it talent, intuition, or whatever. Just not creativity. Creativity is not a part of chess or anything that is competitive for that matter.

I'm the same. Reached about 2100 and got totally fed up with the theory side. Now I have a simple app on my phone which I play around 6 or so games a day. I mix up the opening really quickly with quirky moves. I win probably 8 out of 10 games I play but every single game is explosive. This way I'm enjoying chess again

What is your opinion on Go?

@@JerryReyes I only played it 1 evening against a mate who has 2000 elo. It was a lot of fun. There are some patterns you need to learn, but thats the same in chess. Other than that I think you need a lot less theory for GO which makes it more appealing to a lot more people. The game is also a lot more complex than you would expect. If you compare it to chess, you only have 1 type of piece which would suggest that it would be a lot easier but the complexity and levels of calculation are a lot deeper than I initially thought. It is more straightforward as well, I think that once you get a hold of the basics it should be all about how deep you can think whilst in chess that is not the only factor. But as I said, I only played it for 1 evening so I might be missing a lot of subtle nuances the game still has :)

Hikaru doesnt want to agree because that would admit he isnt as good as his audience thinks as much of it is memorisation

@@gordonramsdale I think he acknowledges that, its not that he's not good and he's just memorised the most popular moves, its that chess at his level is mostly about memorisation and he does that better than nearly anyone else

Fisher definitely had some crazy moments, but he's making a good argument here

I mean Fischer was a racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, raging lunatic, but if you like him because he thought chess was too solved after being around for over a thousand years then go ahead lol.

Tyson will go down as potentially the greatest fighter in the history of the heavyweight division; he went to jail for rape, was accused of spousal abuse, assault, violent outbursts outside the ring, etc. Yet we can disassociate his personal life for his sporting life. I would not call Tyson a raging lunatic, in the same way I would not call Fischer one. Eccentric? Sure. A lunatic? No.

Yeah I don't really understand everyone acting like he's crazy in this clip. He's actually right. Chess IS becoming stale. It's not there yet. But it's a dying game. It needs variation, the meta needs to be changed. Theory ruins the game over time. Especially as more and more people learn the theory. Whether it be randomized pieces, or a bigger board, or anything, eventually it needs variation.

Individuals love to rag on the dude, yet I agree completely with you here...I heard nothing in this clip that is off, or not applicable to the subject he is discussing. It’s as if he’s treated as a bum, who’s opinion suddenly became invalidated. Asking Michael Jordan’s opinion on the game of basketball now would be similar, one would think that individuals would respect his opinions on it, even if they were negative as he would have earned the right to hold those opinions. Respect should be an obvious here, yet most people lack it for Fischer, yet jump to lay it on other “sports” figures.

Of course he is right. This is 21st century. The opening theory should be one part of chess history of the last century..

Great point! Maybe next time the game organizers should declare which variant will be the format the titled players have to compete, every season. This way, the players will have to work with new variations, making memorization less important. Chess nowadays has so many creative variants, if all organizers can enforce this, it could be possible.

Hikaru is just an idiot in everything outside chess

Hikaru stated Fischer had a point that the game was becoming memorization rather than creativity, but he disagreed with him when Fischer believed this made chess worse. They both believe that chess players today are generally better than ever before simply due to knowing theory an not actually needing much talent to go off of. Fischer said this was bad for Chess. Hikaru said this was somewhat good for Chess, at least in some ways. The comparing of who really is the best of all time is really just extra stuff that was brought up afterwards. This is at least how I saw it, could be wrong, but whatevs.

@@alkavonstra5479 wait but how chess becoming more memorization good than creativity

@@rahulkhatwani548 Because theory constantly gets deeper, because as chess computers get stronger we can prepare using them 40+ moves into a game and all the GM's have to do is memorise the moves of the computer

Fischer is right. This is 21st century. The opening theory should be one part of chess history of the last century..

he literally invented it😔

@@bruh7679 I call it the King Sashay because the Bongcloud is one pawn move and one king move while the King Sashay is two pawn moves followed by five or six king moves.

@@orlock20 I think it's fair to say he came up with the basic idea, but I think his underlying purpose was different. Fisher just wanted to take the game out of "book moves" as soon as possible to get away from what he talks about in this clip (assuming that was Fisher playing online it's never been verified). The BC is meant to disorient your opponent and, perhaps, make them overconfident.

@@denisdooley1540 Also to intimidate them in today’s meta