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Комментарии : 1,7 тыс.   
@itchykami
@itchykami 3 года назад
Hikaru was in the top 3 best looking chess players of all time, but then he shaved, and has thus been relegated to top 5.
@Unknownuser-vq9ul
@Unknownuser-vq9ul 3 года назад
Violation 😭
@MarvelousMaterial
@MarvelousMaterial 3 года назад
at first....I thought this was a video from 5 years ago...damn that boy look younger
@benjaminghazi787
@benjaminghazi787 3 года назад
uh, no
@bosshood85
@bosshood85 3 года назад
😂😂😭
@rr745sonme
@rr745sonme 3 года назад
Why isn’t this pinned?
@thetimssportstalk3160
@thetimssportstalk3160 3 года назад
“I don’t want to spoil it.” Shows complete list in the intro 😂
@AX5Terminator
@AX5Terminator 2 года назад
What's the chances of me scrolling and reading your comment right as he spoke those words?
@bruenotakolas6928
@bruenotakolas6928 Год назад
@@AX5Terminator 0
@iBMcFly
@iBMcFly Год назад
Doesn’t contain his takes in the beginning though.
@arvindiyer6012
@arvindiyer6012 3 года назад
There's no way Vishy isn't top 10 of all time. 5 time world champion, pioneered an entire country's chess culture, and is STILL in top 10-15 in the world at the age of 51.
@kingzion3032
@kingzion3032 3 года назад
Bro because your Indian you say that
@itanyy7085
@itanyy7085 3 года назад
@@kingzion3032 this is the most racist shit i have heard all day congratulation
@kingzion3032
@kingzion3032 3 года назад
@@itanyy7085 how is it racist? He is Indian and he is human and he has bias? How is that racist? It’s a fact.
@gagandeep.p.2572
@gagandeep.p.2572 3 года назад
@@kingzion3032 Bruh, you ignore all the stats he stated backing up his argument and all you have to say is "your Indian". That's sad man
@kingzion3032
@kingzion3032 3 года назад
@@gagandeep.p.2572 all I need is one datapoint - and that datapoint is that he is Indian.
@gangster3591
@gangster3591 2 года назад
Fun facts: Morphy was admitted to the bar at 19. Although he never practiced law, it is said he could recite the entire civil code of Louisiana from memory. The man was a genius
@MadGunny
@MadGunny 2 года назад
I, too, have read Morphy’s Wikipedia article
@heikkisuora2500
@heikkisuora2500 2 года назад
The fact that is was Louisiana makes it especially impressive, because the laws of that state are an unholy amalgamation between French and Anglo-Saxon law. I don't think there are many lawyers today outside of Louisiana who can practice Lousianan law with any degree of certainty.
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 2 года назад
@@chicken29843 you could probably get 2 or 3 admitted out of a class of 20 if you actually preped them for it instead of wasting their time in school. what's impressive is that he did it on his own.
@lcefrisbee
@lcefrisbee 2 года назад
Yeah, and he was considered far above every other player by his early twenties when he retired. This is just me, but I believe if he really dedicated himself to playing chess instead of resenting it most of his life he would be for sure top 3 possibly number 1. Also if you want to know why he resented chess, he played it as a side hobby, but since he was so good at it people really wanted to play against him, so after he quit because he was bored of the game, he pursued law, what he always wanted to do. The only problem was every person who ever came to his law firm was just a chess player pretending to need a lawyer to talk and try to go against him. I’m also not sure when this was on the timeline, but his girlfriend(doesn’t sound right but not sure how best to describe it) rejected his marriage saying she didn’t want to stoop down to the level of a mere chess player.
@MushMunkey
@MushMunkey Год назад
That's actually so crazy what the hell
@noelsnotes
@noelsnotes 3 года назад
I like how someone on twitch chat put "#0 Nakamura"
@shawncarter7188
@shawncarter7188 3 года назад
Morphy is to chess as Newton is to science. Much of what Newton developed is considered "wrong" by today's standards, but.... well you know what I mean.
@samuelssv
@samuelssv 3 года назад
Great analogy
@shawncarter7188
@shawncarter7188 3 года назад
@@samuelssv thanks ! I mean, come on, how is Morphy not up there ? I believe if you were to transplant Morphy to this time and give him access to everything, he'd be smoking everyone. The man adapted so well- just look at his matches with Anderssen! Imagine what he could do in today's world.
@mathematicaltricks8300
@mathematicaltricks8300 3 года назад
Nice logic any physics graduate knows more physics than Newton for sure but that doesn't make them greater than newton
@leerobbo92
@leerobbo92 3 года назад
@@shawncarter7188 It's really not that simple. Morphy gave up chess quickly because he got bored of it: hell, he was bored during his most famous game. You really think he'd have the temperament to spend days on opening theory before a game? He'd probably be a dangerous 2600, at best. Physics and academia haven't changed much at their core, even if knowledge and theory has. Chess is unrecognisable now. It's no longer about pure intuition.
@md.metindarici
@md.metindarici 3 года назад
Newton rules,he is definitely top 10 btw
@wellharis
@wellharis 3 года назад
I’ve never lost to a GM, where am I on the list
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 2 года назад
Nor have I. I only played one and drew. Mind you, he was playing 19 other players as well.
@kanwasengupta6814
@kanwasengupta6814 3 года назад
Definitely vishy and morphy should be in the top ten..... Morphy was a natural born genius and his flow of play is still relevant.... While Anand has been the undisputed champion 4 times and fide champion for two years but what is overlooked is his blitz and rapid career....he became world rapid champion ahead of Hikaru, Magnus etc at the age of like 47-48 in 2017 and is ranked 4 in blitz at the age of 52 in the live ratings now!!!!
@Yohanan1030
@Yohanan1030 2 года назад
Undisputed top 5 in my opinion, tied with Karpov for longevity, dominance etc
@UrGoneConcept
@UrGoneConcept 2 года назад
He was too old of a chess player. Tal is more deserving i guess. Because at Morphy's time there weren't many good players while at the time of tal, there were many greats living and he defeated them also.
@Yohanan1030
@Yohanan1030 2 года назад
@@UrGoneConcept Chess isn't relative though, we can look at Morphys moves and acknowledge how good they were and how ahead of his time he was regardless of his opponents.
@shardulnewasker2021
@shardulnewasker2021 2 года назад
Age doesn't matter in chess. If you mean to brag about his old age or just means he has more experience in chess hence an advantage
@jout738
@jout738 2 года назад
Yes Annad could be in the list, while Morphy was rated around 2600 in his chess career, while second best player was 200 off with raiting of 2400, so he was the best chess player of 1800s, but nowdays we still can watch his recorded games and make choice would he be better, than some of the others in top 10.
@johnkarford6430
@johnkarford6430 3 года назад
To not put morphy in ur top ten is criminal
@descendency
@descendency 3 года назад
I'm highly confused how you have Alekhine and not Morphy top 10.
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 3 года назад
its hard to judge a guy, who retired when he was like in his early 20s, and chess was hardly taken seriously
@mikemurphy1913
@mikemurphy1913 3 года назад
But it's generally agreed he was already 100 or maybe much more points better than everybody alive at that time. He basically birthed modern chess.
@arnavbopche3558
@arnavbopche3558 3 года назад
Also Vishy Anand Hikaru
@NightRider0101
@NightRider0101 3 года назад
@@descendency Both Alekhine and Morphy were brilliant and deserve to be in top 10.
@mohan9465
@mohan9465 3 года назад
Anand won more classical world championship(5 in total compared to 3 for kramnik)titles then kramnik along with rapid (2003& 2017) & blitz championships allso won more super tournaments then kramnik + won three candidates tournaments(95,1998,2014)+ 11 unofficial world rapid titles (frankfurt world rapid championship against players like garry,kramnik,polgar& magnus) + even at age 52 he is still playing top level chess,nothing against kramnik but if kramnik is in top 10 the anand deserves more then him
@B-fq7ff
@B-fq7ff 3 месяца назад
Interesting…
@ym276
@ym276 3 года назад
Vishy Anand is a must in the top ten of all time. Been a top level player for 30 years, 5 time champion and dominated rapid/blitz
@fundhund62
@fundhund62 Год назад
No way should he be in the Top 10. He was behind both Kasparov and Carlsen, and probably also Karpov. He is a great player, but not quite on the level of Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine or Botvinnik.
@gravy4708
@gravy4708 Год назад
@@fundhund62 5 times world champion. Pioneer of chess in India. Long retired and still in top 15 at this age. He is well in the top 10 of all time.
@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160
@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160 Год назад
@@gravy4708 pioneering chess in india.. If people need strong player from own country, despite fact that your country is origin of chess, i have no comments for it. You are just racists, if you cant enjoy carlsen/kasparov/fischer/capablanca and need indian player in top. He was top after kasparov and before carlsen, and people after 50 years from now would regard him as some guy, who lived after Kasparov era, but before Carlsen era.
@gravy4708
@gravy4708 Год назад
@@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160 I am racist? An Indian is racist? You better calm your talk kid or you're gonna have to read paragraphs from me. And yeah call me racist Idgaf. Americans can be racists, others can't. Good. I want Indian players to be in the top. Do something about it if you can.
@gravy4708
@gravy4708 Год назад
@@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160 And also all GMs consider Anand in their top 10. So i will listen to them instead of some jumbled word kid from RU-vid such as yourself.
@donaldmetzger8238
@donaldmetzger8238 2 года назад
There are many chess myths, and people underestimate the opposition that Paul Morphy faced. In fact, he was only about 150 (plenty stronger to be sure, but not 400) points stronger than Loewenthal, Harrwitz, and, Anderssen, who were quite conversant with principles of development and central control, and pawn play such as outlined by Philidor was emulated by players such as Staunton. Where Morphy truly excelled was in depth of analysis at the board, especially in open games where piece coordination is paramount, as well as in accuracy, where he would likewise excel today, especially with the benefit of opening databases and computer analysis. And Lasker was Lasker, who was world champion from age 25 until the age of 52, between 1894 and 1921. His versatility, defensive resourcefulness and endgame prowess set him apart, but especially his accuracy.
@siraf1234
@siraf1234 2 года назад
He was 200-300 points stronger, like a 2700 playing a 2500 gm
@hectorsm5825
@hectorsm5825 2 года назад
lasker used his position as world champion at the time to avoid many dangerous xhallenges and perpared moro thorougly beforehand, he still is incredibly good but not as much as you described. and morphy was in fact astonishingly superior to his peers at the time, in every game he just rips their souls apart
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 года назад
Well put!
@weignerleigner3037
@weignerleigner3037 Год назад
@@hectorsm5825even tho he didn’t take on all challenges all the time(mostly for money reasons) lasker beat the other top guys of the time and was clearly the number 1 player for a long time. He deserves more credit than he gets imo.
@CO8848_2
@CO8848_2 Год назад
Where did this "in fact" from? What facts? The fact is Morphy was so bored with Chess as no one posed any challenge to him so he retired at 22. If he was born in the modern era, and spent the same amount of time on chess as Magnus, with the same benefit of over 150 years of knowledge and computer teaching, he would beat Magnus. The dude was a lawyer at 19, you try that.
@jelousjoint8344
@jelousjoint8344 8 месяцев назад
11:24 that's the moment kramnick swear revenge to hikaru lol
@yuvrajdahiya3206
@yuvrajdahiya3206 6 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂 true
@hottakes2633
@hottakes2633 3 года назад
Vishy should be top 10 based on longevity alone.
@Unknownuser-vq9ul
@Unknownuser-vq9ul 3 года назад
He even inspired his entire country play chess and love the game more. Literally i know more indians who play chess than my own local home.
@TransparentEclipse
@TransparentEclipse 3 года назад
I mean… literally everyone in the top 10 besides Fischer was a top 3 player in the world for decades. Not really like any of them didn’t have longevity as well.
@seraphimconcordant
@seraphimconcordant 3 года назад
@@Unknownuser-vq9ul People literally only bring this up because Hikaru talked about it. Who the fuck cares. Betnnivik did it for Russia, Fischer for America - its not like there's tons of Indians around at gm anyways. It has less grandmasters than Israel lol
@Unknownuser-vq9ul
@Unknownuser-vq9ul 3 года назад
@@seraphimconcordant India has twice the amount of GMs than Israel wdym who cares lol only you think that bud he made a resurgence and everyone liked it. Just because it's been done on other countries doesn't mean it's any less.
@lordiust962
@lordiust962 3 года назад
@@seraphimconcordant You realise that he brought influence in Chess into a country that has very little to no chess-following right? Vishy is literally the first grandmaster to emerge from India and he went on to become world champion. Without him, there probably wouldn’t even be the Indian GMs you see today, trying to compete at the top levels. Besides, what he did for India shouldn’t be simply measured by amount of GMs there are currently in India. That’s a poor way of evaluating it to begin with.
@sandeepkumar-kh3yz
@sandeepkumar-kh3yz 11 месяцев назад
According to hikaru: 1. Kasparov 2. Carlsen 3. fischer 4. capablanca 5. karpov 6. anand 7. kramnik 8. botvinnik 9. laskar 10. morphy
@shashank22
@shashank22 3 года назад
Rubbish article. Morphy and Anand not making it to the top 10 list is criminal.
@catsatemyplants4690
@catsatemyplants4690 3 года назад
Pretty much. Morphy should be in the top 10, but he's more of like in a separate tier to be honest because of his era and he's been the most dominant chess player against his contemporaries, much like Bobby's run. Morphy is like Bill Russell in his era if Wilt, Kareem, and Jerry West never existed/or were much lesser players. Anand should be somewhere in 5-10. Kasparov, Bobby, Magnus, and Capablanca I think are cemented in the top 4 in any order.
@satyarthprataprai6693
@satyarthprataprai6693 3 года назад
@@catsatemyplants4690 Agreed!!
@sonnyjay1432
@sonnyjay1432 3 года назад
@@catsatemyplants4690 Bobby is only one Time world champion even though he was dominating, that doesn't put him above Anand who is a 5 time world classical champion, 2 time Rapid champion, Number 4 in Blitz at the age of 52. 6 times chess oscar winner and many more tournaments under his achievements
@kunalsingh4418
@kunalsingh4418 2 года назад
@@sonnyjay1432 Nah but Bobby had an amazing record as a player. He, Magnus and Kasparov are the near undisputed top 3 in most lists for a reason. Anand as he said should be somewhere between 5-10 preferably near top of this list.
@sonnyjay1432
@sonnyjay1432 2 года назад
@@kunalsingh4418 Disagree, Records can be situational. Just coz he has better record during the time when there was no one who’s equivalent to his potential doesn’t necessarily make him anything extra better. However, as I said how can a 1 time world champion who didn’t had grit to defend his title could be on higher rank than a 5 time classical world champion, 2 times world rapid champion and probably the best blitz player in the world. which is Anand and has longevity yet still competing at highest elite level at the age of 50. People cannot just grasp the concept behind this. That said Anand should be around 4th or 5th or even 6th in my opinion and not higher than that
@SeunDr
@SeunDr 4 месяца назад
11:43 is why Kramnik hates Hikaru till this day
@yuvrajdahiya3206
@yuvrajdahiya3206 3 месяца назад
Kramniks revenge arc began from this point.
@beltenebrosgr1904
@beltenebrosgr1904 2 года назад
Tal was the reason that I really loved chess, romantic in chess, at top level, who else? Pure inspiration.... :)
@charlesa1234
@charlesa1234 2 года назад
you better watch Paul Morphy’s games
@beltenebrosgr1904
@beltenebrosgr1904 2 года назад
@@charlesa1234 Of course, him too... you are right! Just Tal happened to be me for me the reason to love the game... :)
@psychohist
@psychohist 2 года назад
Tal seems to have been inspirational to some players. That doesn't mean he deserves to be in the top 10.
@beltenebrosgr1904
@beltenebrosgr1904 2 года назад
@@psychohist Yeah, I won't disagree on that... To me Tal was to chess (to my humble opinion) as Ronaldinho was in football.... He was never the top for a long of time, but... some "performances" were so memorable and admireable in such a charismatic way that, combining it with an intersting and playful character it really brought joy and inspiration to a lot of peoples heart, reminding us that no matter what, it is a game to enjoy... :)
@sebastiancpda
@sebastiancpda 2 года назад
It’s crazy to me to say that he doesn’t belong in the top 10. That’s the problem with ranking players mostly on their achievements and their time as world champions, rather than pure intuition and talent. Tal saw stuff nobody else could’ve. No wonder Fischer considered him one of the greats!
@anisekaieddomtorreto9588
@anisekaieddomtorreto9588 3 года назад
Sora and Shiro: *No one can beat us in chess.* Chess: *You are not in the Top 10 list. Your Opponent is that guy talking. Be careful, he uses Alpha Zero on his Ceiling.*
@cringyeditzzz
@cringyeditzzz 3 года назад
SORA AND SHIRO BEAT A GODDDD AT CHESS INCASE YALL WONDERIN
@xshizu4248
@xshizu4248 3 года назад
Bruh Hikaru is a piece of cake against them
@chair7060
@chair7060 3 года назад
crazy interest overlap right here
@aeong2889
@aeong2889 3 года назад
@@cringyeditzzz A god who casually blunders a rook...
@moonlightcipher2479
@moonlightcipher2479 3 года назад
@@aeong2889 LMAOO
@mykolas566
@mykolas566 2 года назад
That's a great point about Morphy , being so far ahead of his contemporaries , good context to think how well he really played
@noniegyachtet
@noniegyachtet Год назад
yeah but does that really matter in the "goat" discussion? depends on how you define the greatest. For me i would also look at their skill in respect to their opponents... but you could also look at it as "who would be others the most at their peak regardless of the time".
@mykolas566
@mykolas566 Год назад
@@noniegyachtet does any one thing matter in goat discussions? Lol. I'm sure if we had them all here today with the access to training and tools available, if would be a dog fight for any of them.
@sonarbangla8711
@sonarbangla8711 2 года назад
Selecting top ten is almost impossible, because of bias. The selection will always be personal and individual. In my mind Fisher, Anand and Kasparov along with Magnificent Magnus will remain immortal, for a long time.
@lequinow
@lequinow 2 года назад
Since there’s no clear metric to compare players of different eras relative to their peers, there is a clear amount of bias in these kinds of list. Americans tend to "godify" Fisher and Morphy even, mainly because their achievements are romanticised a fair amount (the Rocky Balboa-esque Cold War dominance of Fisher is an eye rolling story). Some russians chess enthusiasts probably have an all Soviet top 10 with fan favorite Ivanchuk in all of them. As you said though, it’s "almost" impossible. If there ever were a way to establish consensus between the greatest chess minds of today, we could have something that looks like a decent top 10.
@sonarbangla8711
@sonarbangla8711 2 года назад
@@lequinow In mathematics there is such a thing that enables such comparisons, it is called modular forms of elliptical equations, it gives weight to different categories. If you like to know who is a better cricketer, Tenduljar or Muralidharan, then it is possible to give weights that shows who is heavuer.
@sylvesteruchia5263
@sylvesteruchia5263 2 года назад
Madness that Anand was not in top 10. Crazy.
@matthewfreitag1781
@matthewfreitag1781 2 года назад
Anand is not in the same league as those three. He's decent, but the chess community has overhyped his accomplisments.
@thesoundofsilence77
@thesoundofsilence77 2 года назад
@@matthewfreitag1781 Decent? Anand is tied with Carlsen and Botvinnik for the 2nd most World Championship victories all time at 5, only Lasker Kasparov and Karpov have one more at 6. Not only that but he's still in the top 20 of active players at age 52. With top 10 lists like these I'd say it's more likely people underhype his achievements.
@flytoheights1
@flytoheights1 3 года назад
GMHikaru makes the suggestion. My Mind goes: Makes sense. Makes sense. uh huh, yeah. Makes sense. (responds similar to how Hikaru responds when he sees opponent make a reasonable move)
@giannottister
@giannottister 3 года назад
Morphy in my opinion is the greatest natural talent ever, followed by Capablanca.
@webworksohiollc
@webworksohiollc 3 года назад
If you're saying purely natural, I'd have to say Fischer
@mislavivkovic9996
@mislavivkovic9996 3 года назад
In this top 10 if you dont put Tall this is a crime against chess and games Fisher vs Tall is the most beautiful games ever
@mislavivkovic9996
@mislavivkovic9996 3 года назад
If you put Botvinik Capablanca and Karpov in top 10 you can but positional game is also crime against chess
@mislavivkovic9996
@mislavivkovic9996 3 года назад
Realy no Kasparov here wtf
@jovanshrestha4075
@jovanshrestha4075 3 года назад
But Magnus, man has 190 plus iq and photographic memory
@Starguy256
@Starguy256 3 года назад
Every single one of them wrote "one of the best chess books ever".
@goosebandicoot7083
@goosebandicoot7083 2 года назад
If Magnus loses in a tournament, and comes in second or third place, it’s not a huge surprise. It’s like “okay that make sense, even though he’s generally the favorite.” If Morphy was in a tournament, him losing was nearly unheard of and would be a genuine shock to everybody
@sharkonstage
@sharkonstage 2 года назад
@@goosebandicoot7083 yeah cuz players back then were bad, you don't know if he was that smart or that lucky to not have competition
@goosebandicoot7083
@goosebandicoot7083 2 года назад
@@sharkonstage that’s a common criticism of Morphy, but if you actually analyze his games, his opponents often played top modern stockfish moves
@eirik.9384
@eirik.9384 2 года назад
@@goosebandicoot7083 I often play top modern stockfish moves too, it's about the consistency. It's very impressive to be on top like Magnus is right now, especially considering all the great chess players he has as competition. If Magnus was American you would most likely be saying he's the greatest player of all time
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 2 года назад
@ Teddye What is the title of this book all these players made a contribution to?
@buffalodebill7986
@buffalodebill7986 3 года назад
This video caught my attention immy at the Paul Morphy part - I think Hikaru nailed the point. All in all, it's a nice assessment of the facts on whom to include / exclude from top10 - and especially why.
@himalyanboy4744
@himalyanboy4744 3 года назад
Don't you think Vishy is better than Kramnik as he stayed world champion for a longer time than him. Also Vishy defeated him in two consecutive World Championships.
@harshit1519
@harshit1519 3 года назад
also in the recent event of no castling chess
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 3 года назад
@@harshit1519 idk how that matters
@harshit1519
@harshit1519 3 года назад
@@Qhsjahajw it shows how great and good he is at this age. That matters to me atleast that is why i wrote.
@Romans8-9
@Romans8-9 3 месяца назад
He had Vishy at 6 and Kramnik at 7.
@shawncarter7188
@shawncarter7188 3 года назад
Levy would place 17th century French Master Maxime Le'Dieux above anyone on this list
@askashutosh8667
@askashutosh8667 3 года назад
Why?? Any concrete reason Edit : there is no one with such a name.
@x0cx102
@x0cx102 3 года назад
@@askashutosh8667 i think it's a joke/meme but i don't really get it either.
@askashutosh8667
@askashutosh8667 3 года назад
@@x0cx102 yes maybe some scarcastic remark on IM Levy ROZMAN . When I typed that name mentioned above .GM Maxime vanchier Lagrave poped up......
@shawncarter7188
@shawncarter7188 3 года назад
@@askashutosh8667 it was a name he made up during a sub-battle stream. Levy told Hikaru that his sub was about to "unleash the tactic made famous by 17th Century French Master Maxime Le'Dieux"..... it threw Hikaru off and he said, "I'm sorry, what?" ... to which Lecy replied, "Oh, nothing, I just made up some utter shit"... Hikaru lost it, and I freaking cried. I wish I knew which stream it was because it was one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
@askashutosh8667
@askashutosh8667 3 года назад
@@shawncarter7188 thankyou for clarifying it ....
@leerobbo92
@leerobbo92 3 года назад
Nah, that analogy of Magnus needing to be 300 points higher rated than his opponents to be equivalent to Morphy is all kinds of wrong. For one, ELO systems get harder the higher you go. But even beyond that, a 300 point gap at 2200 is nowhere near as impressive as a 100 point gap at 2800, IMO. Especially when you consider all the tools and information out there now, it's absolutely outrageous for Magnus to be so far ahead. While Morphy only had a couple of real contenders, you only have to see how crowded it is behind Magnus to see the difference, the competition is incomparable now. Same reason I'd always say Messi or Ronaldo over Pelé: Pelé was great, but he was playing against literal farmers for 50% of his career, and chain smokers/alcoholics for the other 50%. Messi/Ronaldo are doing it against highly tuned athletes, in teams that train tactics 5 days a week. Same principle with Magnus.
@MrTedMcForehead
@MrTedMcForehead 3 года назад
What years did magnus have a 100 point gap? Fischer had a 130 point gap in 1972 which is the most impressive gap ever.
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 3 года назад
@@MrTedMcForehead Well FIscher didnt face the same competition
@MrTedMcForehead
@MrTedMcForehead 3 года назад
@@Qhsjahajw yes he did. he faced the best players on earth at the time, so does magnus right now.
@peterlebedev4229
@peterlebedev4229 3 года назад
@@MrTedMcForehead Yes but the average rating of Magnuses opponents is higher. And with more theory, there is a smaller chance for mistakes
@leerobbo92
@leerobbo92 3 года назад
@@MrTedMcForehead He's been around 80-90 points clear for the last 6+ years or so. Sustaining that is insane. Fischer's was insane too, but you still had a gap between Spassky and everyone else. The gap between 2nd and 8th these days is almost non-existant. The competition is so underrated now.
@Rspknlikeab0ssxd
@Rspknlikeab0ssxd 3 года назад
I love Hikaru's discussion of Morphy. I understand that the players in the top 10 are insanely good, but Morphy as an honorable mention is simply wrong I believe.
@bman5257
@bman5257 3 года назад
To relegate Paul Morphy to an honorable mention immediately discredits their argument.
@rdspam
@rdspam 3 года назад
Scrolling slowly, don’t want to ruin the suspense, etc …. After the full list was at the top. 🤣
@x0cx102
@x0cx102 3 года назад
I can't tell if chat is clapped and genuinely think that the late Petrosian is the one that engaged in recent cheating against Wesley so, or if they're just trolling with the pipi quote. The Armenian Petrosian was named after the world champion.
@nikita5917
@nikita5917 3 года назад
Are you kidding ??? What the **** are you talking about man ? You are a biggest looser i ever seen in my life ! You was doing PIPI in your pampers when i was beating players much more stronger then you! You are not proffesional, because proffesionals knew how to lose and congratulate opponents, you are like a girl crying after i beat you! Be brave, be honest to yourself and stop this trush talkings!!! Everybody know that i am very good blitz player, i can win anyone in the world in single game! And "w"esley "s"o is nobody for me, just a player who are crying every single time when loosing, ( remember what you say about Firouzja ) !!! Stop playing with my name, i deserve to have a good name during whole my chess carrier, I am Officially inviting you to OTB blitz match with the Prize fund! Both of us will invest 5000$ and winner takes it all! I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2016 and 2017 Blitz World championships, and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Tigran Petrosyan is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off..
@supriyo7303
@supriyo7303 3 года назад
its twitch,so chat is probably clapped
@kafkaesquee521
@kafkaesquee521 2 года назад
Ofc it’s a joke, a long running one in the community.
@iinsomniaaaaa
@iinsomniaaaaa 2 года назад
@@nikita5917 an all time great quote lmao
@artemis477
@artemis477 3 года назад
Honestly surprised xQc isn't on the list. For me he was clear #1
@geometricart7851
@geometricart7851 3 года назад
ugh so tired of pogfails---
@sarojrawat7899
@sarojrawat7899 3 года назад
The amount of novelty he has in chess is just insane
@meltedsnowman9637
@meltedsnowman9637 3 года назад
The wooden shield and the lobster lobster has transformed chess as we know it.
@ratcomedy
@ratcomedy Год назад
Morphy is like the wilt chamberlains of chess. Dominated at an unreal level but against like plumbers and shit. Despite his competition, no doubt he was still a freak of nature and would be one of the strongest today
@therealbs2000
@therealbs2000 Год назад
Wilt bedded 20000 women though
@CO8848_2
@CO8848_2 Год назад
You don't understand one's level in any sport is spurred to higher if you had higher competition. That's why they put the best sprinters next to each other rather than away from each other. The fact that Morphy didn't have the competition of today (or the 150 years of built-up knowledge of chess and the computer assistance), means he was far more superior as a chess player.
@berjoxhn5142
@berjoxhn5142 Год назад
wilt would dominate any player today
@cristophermaldonado9103
@cristophermaldonado9103 11 месяцев назад
Just as Wilt would dominate in any era if he has access to said era's resources (training regimes, supplements, load management, people to learn from) Paul Morphy would crush everyone if he had access to chess engines and modern chess theory and competition he can extract knowledge from, Paul Morphy was an unparalleled genius, the DaVinci or Newton of chess.
@Someone-hi1nt
@Someone-hi1nt 7 месяцев назад
except morphy was way ahead of his time period and way better than everyone whereas wilt consistently struggled under pressure and was outplayed by others when it actually mattered... wilt was also one of the worst teammates ever and actually negatively influenced his teams record for multiple seasons lol, theres a reason why after he got traded, his team went from worst team in the league to finals within 1 year
@craigwalrath3338
@craigwalrath3338 3 года назад
Tal had health problems but his tournament record was outstanding and he was dominant from 1958 to 1960 similar to Ficher's two year run from 1970 to 1972. A top ten without Tal is nonsense. I'm glad he was included.
@the98thcent
@the98thcent 2 года назад
I love Tal but he really was a gambler who used great intuition. He had horrible records against calculators like Korchnoi or Polugaevsky. The 1959 Candidates was amazing, but he doesn't have the achievements of anyone else in this top 10, most of whom were #1 for a decade.
@michaelwright8896
@michaelwright8896 2 года назад
@@the98thcent Tal solved puzzles that not even the latest stockfish can solve.
@josemanuico5613
@josemanuico5613 2 года назад
@@michaelwright8896 that with full Knights? That puzzle was insane. I tried for years trying to solve by brute force until i finished to watch the full video. Absolutely brilliant from him
@michaelwright8896
@michaelwright8896 2 года назад
​@@josemanuico5613 Also he tied for first with Kasparov on his deathbed.
@jackjax7921
@jackjax7921 Год назад
@@michaelwright8896 Delusional
@jyotiradityashukla4569
@jyotiradityashukla4569 Год назад
Notice how the article focused more on vishy's defeats than his achievements.
@viharikrishnan5588
@viharikrishnan5588 2 месяца назад
@@sylvesteruchia5263 Ah both are awesome but anand is 5 time world champion and kramnik is 1 time
@aristotels_aristotals
@aristotels_aristotals Год назад
Capablanca is at the level of the best in history, whoever you choose. But he was waiting ten years to be able to beat the world champion (Lasker) and even a few more for the rematch that never came with Alekhine. No other player has terrified world champions as much as he has (when he didn't have the crown in his possession).
@russellthorburn9297
@russellthorburn9297 2 года назад
If one were to list players based on less general terms my top players would be: End Game: Magnus Pure computational genius: Fischer Overall general best player averaged out through all aspects of the game: Kasparov Best Chess Player who also HAD the best Facial Hair: Hikaru
@dinospumoni5611
@dinospumoni5611 3 года назад
Wow, Anand and Kramnik have the EXACT same current Elo AND the EXACT same peak Elo. Weird.
@josephpeeler5434
@josephpeeler5434 3 года назад
The tiebreaker is that Anand has greater longevity. I disagree with Hikaru that Vishy has had "a vastly greater career than Kramnik." Vishy was only slightly better in my opinion.
@alphonseelric5722
@alphonseelric5722 11 месяцев назад
​@@josephpeeler5434 Kramnik gets really underrated. Anand was more naturally gifted and didn't have the privilege of the soviet school in his formative years which would be the real two arguments in his favor here, but achievement wise they are about equal.
@juantulasi1405
@juantulasi1405 6 месяцев назад
​​@@alphonseelric5722i think anand had little bit better from kramnik , when he lose to anand in WCC
@virajdeshpande3701
@virajdeshpande3701 4 месяца назад
​@@josephpeeler5434 2 years later, Anand's superiority is even more apparent. Not mentioning 5 world championship wins to Kramnik's 3, and a higher number of tournament victories, the influence of Vishy on an ENTIRE country cannot be understated. He's the sole reason India is the fastest-growing chess country in the world, and why we have 3 players in the Candidates, and why a 17-year-old from India just won the Candidates. The longevity and influence are unparalleled.
@Bergarita
@Bergarita 2 года назад
I love these type of discussions! Gets my juices going for some chess. Not having Anand in top 10 is criminal. Great takes by Hikaru.
@hopelove897
@hopelove897 2 года назад
For me Carlsen is the best of all time, he is the complete chess players, dominates in all aspects
@Asif24960
@Asif24960 2 года назад
Best of all time so far*
@AdonisTurner1992
@AdonisTurner1992 2 года назад
Kasparov has him on longevity but I agree with you when it’s all said and done.
@diegomorett142
@diegomorett142 2 года назад
He needs time to strengthen his position as GOAT, he's said it himself. If he's still on top by 2030, he'll undoubtedly be considered as the best of all time, but you you can't wind up the clock. Another option would be if he were more than 100 ELO points ahead of everyone else, like Fisher or Karpov/Kasparov, but right now Firouzja, Ding and Caruana aren't that far behind. In 2018 Caruana was only 3 points lower rated than Carlsen.
@Draugheim
@Draugheim 2 года назад
Also considering the amount of players around today, the ability to showcase your "skills" with today's globalization and with the digital tools everyone has at their disposal (internet, chess computers etc..) it's a lot harder to maintain the "dominating" position over time. Combine that with "all aspects" as you mentioned i'd say Magnus has way more impressive feats and is my definitive pick for GOAT.
@michaelscott7166
@michaelscott7166 2 года назад
I think Magnus is very close to Goat status but to get there unquestionably I think he needs to get his ELO above 2900 and defeat Firouzja in a WCC. That way it's clear he's taken the game to a whole new level and to use a boxing analogy, cleaned up the entire division.
@siphillis
@siphillis 2 года назад
Kasparov has had the best career, but Carlsen has almost certainly passed him in raw ability.
@jakobnordal7432
@jakobnordal7432 2 года назад
Several players have, but its not comparable because of the time difference and sheer amount chess knowledge uncovers since then
@robertluong3024
@robertluong3024 2 года назад
@@jakobnordal7432 this is the problem with GOAT discussions. Time is such an important element. It's beyond chess itself. Like, you can talk about their contributions to the game and their dominance but when you remove time. It's strange because players are influenced by other players. They play with the same rules, but do they play with the same training/accumulated knowledge? Now there's engines and all sorts of things that they didn't have back then. How do we weigh that? It's so weird that we'd want to ignore time.
@sylvesteruchia5263
@sylvesteruchia5263 2 года назад
That's your opinion bud. How are you sure of this? What measure are you using? "Kasparov has had a better career but Carlsen is better." Then why has Kasparov had a better career? 👀 Truth is we'll never know unless we had a time machine. I think the two would be an interesting match, not sure who'd win.
@siphillis
@siphillis 2 года назад
@@sylvesteruchia5263 Kasparov had the better career because he played longer. Carlsen is only 30. By every other measure, Carlsen is the superior player. He's been undefeated in classical for longer, achieved the highest peak ELO (and has hovered above Kasparov's peak for years), became the #1 Rapid and Blitz player (whereas Kasparov struggled to dominate non-classical), became the youngest #1-ranked player ever, and his playstyle reportedly resembles a computer's more than any other player in history. He's the best ever. Time will tell if he'll become the most accomplished.
@17donhol
@17donhol 2 года назад
@@siphillis Robert James Fischer is the greatest.... 20 game win streak 6-0 Taimanov in 1970 then Larsen at 6-0 at Candidates 1971.... Destroyed the entire Soviet Chess Federation ....BY HIMSELF ALONE. Fischer was the greatest blitz player ever...Would dismantle both Kaspy and Carlsen...
@mursuka80
@mursuka80 Год назад
Anand not in Top 10 and Kramnik in Top 7 is just wrong.
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 3 года назад
I got a question , hows Karpov behind Capablanca, when Karpov has been better in almost everything, and a longer career
@vexnightmare6364
@vexnightmare6364 3 года назад
Their list doesn't use any real metric to compare players. It's not easy to do either. I guess they just liked capablanca more because of him being a child prodigy, and naturally gifted. But on paper, Karpov has outperformed him in all ways really
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 3 года назад
@@vexnightmare6364 Karpov was also reallllyyyyy gifted, he's prolly the most unique player ever, in terms of understanding the game and technique
@donkbonktj5773
@donkbonktj5773 3 года назад
Lol Capablanca was greater than Karpov. Longevity doesn't mean greater.
@stuarthys9879
@stuarthys9879 3 года назад
Capablanca only lost 36 games in a career of 40 years, playing the best players in the world. I don’t think anyone else could claim that
@marilynfat1619
@marilynfat1619 2 года назад
Very nice point
@d4rksol123
@d4rksol123 Год назад
This list was very very obviously created by a prejudiced person. Just reading the description provided for Anand compared to others makes it painfully obvious. While everyone else's lists almost entirely their accomplishments and if there arent enough of those, their subjective strengths in playstyle, half of anand's is about who he lost to. Kinda disgraceful article to be honest.
@h0wnr681
@h0wnr681 3 года назад
Yeah, they did Vishy real dirty here
@zemekiel
@zemekiel 2 года назад
I would rank Magnus above Kasparov, because the level of competition is much greater these days. So many great GMs around.
@OfficeCubicleGaming
@OfficeCubicleGaming 2 года назад
Yeah Kasparov was a magician in his day, but the sheer amount of knowledge and computing power nowadays just makes it mindblowing that magnus is still number 1 with the amount of resources everyone has at their disposal
@vseme1572
@vseme1572 2 года назад
You mean Caruana, Karjakin, Nepo much greater competition than World number 1 for 600 months, 10 year World Champion-Anatoly Karpov, Anand, Kramnik, Ivanchuk!!! Sounds like recency bias.
@th3on3thatb3atu
@th3on3thatb3atu 2 года назад
@@vseme1572 the difference is Magnus’s competition would crush all of those people
@vseme1572
@vseme1572 2 года назад
@@th3on3thatb3atu really! I beg to differ. Karjakin, Caruana would crush Karpov and Kramnik at their prime? They are more in the class of Topalov.
@sylvesteruchia5263
@sylvesteruchia5263 2 года назад
I don't know about that, I think the two are arguable for top 10.
@coderorig2763
@coderorig2763 3 года назад
Yes, "Hikaru's Hot" takes on the the ten best chess players of all time
@k1tooy_m
@k1tooy_m 3 года назад
LMAAAOO 💀
@netjunkie9
@netjunkie9 3 года назад
To me the top players have the most innate ability. If it's knowledge-based then all of the top 10 would certainly have to be current players. You can't underestimate what chess engines have contributed to the game.
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 3 года назад
Top 10 would all be engines instead of current players lol
@ppmpyae1152
@ppmpyae1152 3 года назад
Yeah but humanity only get better and better by time. Thats how humanity is. The word 'goat' would not even make sense if you just put players of the current era because they are the best. These types of lists are supposed to be decided by 'talent'.
@jordandarst3632
@jordandarst3632 3 года назад
Your not comprehending many factors. Programming wasn't a thing until the 50s 60s, therefore mfs only had books and there boards. Yes today's players are better, but it's EASIER for current players... Your not looking at the bigger picture, hope that's not how you play chess.
@Gamm420
@Gamm420 3 года назад
I agree and for that reason it makes no sense to me that Paul Morphy is not in the top 10. I would even go as far as to say it's a blunder not including him in this list.
@jpg7616
@jpg7616 3 года назад
You should read a book: “Talent is overrated”
@jarirepo1172
@jarirepo1172 2 года назад
Anand should definitely be on the list and 6th at least. Just thinking about how long his career has been, still going on while competition getting fiercely better overall... It would not be exaggeration to put him on top 5.
@calob3927
@calob3927 Год назад
“Uh let me check who wrote this, ah ok, I’m gonna say off the bat this is not going well” 😂😂😂😂😂
@BlitzWizard94
@BlitzWizard94 3 года назад
Tal was a unbreakable force of nature and kind of underrated as many considered him too risky or brute force to even be considered a elite player with his style of play but over time he impressed the competition and definitely earned his spot in being one of the top 10 players alongside fischer
@kpNov23
@kpNov23 3 года назад
He played sick/injured sometimes.
@MrFlejon
@MrFlejon 3 года назад
I think I saw some recent analysis that established that Tal was actually a very accurate player. After the usual crazy knight sacrifice he only had like a single line that wasn't losing and was able to find it! He's my favorite player, so creative and fun, unusual character traits in modern chess!
@TheDrghu
@TheDrghu 3 года назад
to even be considered an elite player? he was a world champion
@BlitzWizard94
@BlitzWizard94 3 года назад
@@TheDrghu many didnt like how he played, they called him a lazy person who was just insane
@s3eriousbl9ck26
@s3eriousbl9ck26 3 года назад
@@MrFlejon 🎯🎯🎯
@joshvelazquez8706
@joshvelazquez8706 3 года назад
Hoodie guy has so many good and powerful appearances, how is he not on the list?
@dman121
@dman121 3 года назад
he shaved his bear I thought this was a older video because of that
@DexterHaven
@DexterHaven 2 года назад
I like how he read the line about Kasparov training that GM H.N. like it was a standard bit of news copy.
@aseemsharan
@aseemsharan 4 месяца назад
Good Books to read:- 9:17 - The life and games of Mikhail Tal 15:54 - Karpov's Strategic Wins, 2 Volumes by Tibov Karolyi 17:06 - Capablanca's Best Chess Endings by Irving Chernev 19:04 - My 60 Memorable Games by Bobby Fischer 22:50 - My Great Predecessors, 5 Volumes by Garry Kasparov
@sanekabc
@sanekabc 2 года назад
Hikaru, your first metric is the best. Domination over peers in their time period. Duration has nothing to do with it. #1 Morphy #2 Fischer
@monkerud2108
@monkerud2108 3 года назад
I’m curious if morphy vs carlsen, or morphy vs casparov or vs fisher in their primes given the same resources would actually go in favor of morphy or not, its hard to know, but oh boy would i pay a lot of groncs to find out.
@therussianmachinists2409
@therussianmachinists2409 3 года назад
Carlsen would beat Murphy with his eyes closed. Literally. The game evolves and people get better and better. You can see this in sports or anything else humans have been doing for years :)
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 3 года назад
@@therussianmachinists2409 Read his comment again ... he explicity said given equal resources.
@gmdm9319
@gmdm9319 3 года назад
@@aesir1ases64 even if Morphy had an engine and full collection of Magnus's games, Magnus would still destroy Morphy. Chess has not only evolved in terms of openings (which could be compensated by memorization), but endgames and positional concepts, which takes years to master and even then you have to have a talent to excel in those things. Look at today's top gms - they spent decades mastering chess with engines and modern knowledge, and yet Carlsen is still better in situations where "feel" and "talent" matter. So, even if we give Morphy 10 years to study with engines and modern books, he would reach 2500 at best.
@swooosh6937
@swooosh6937 3 года назад
​@@gmdm9319 bro read his comment again .. he explicitly said "given equal resources" which means if all of them were born in todays era with their natural talents honed all by the same modern techniques and methods. He was basically asking in a free for all match between all of them, who is most naturally talented and why. You also had no argument as to why morphy would only reach 2500 at best
@suhail_69
@suhail_69 3 года назад
@@swooosh6937 yeah agree.. people are quick to conclude Carlsen would smoke Morphy. I haven't seen any chess player dominating the way Morphy did!! Definitely Morphy should be in top 3 of all time
@Jabadamazo
@Jabadamazo Год назад
Lol at the mispronunciation of Alekhine. Makes me chuckle every time.
@lukacalov1988
@lukacalov1988 Год назад
Based on what is Capablanca 4th and Alekhine not even top 10 bruh?
@brettpoole7888
@brettpoole7888 3 года назад
I need a cigarette.
@jozefserf2024
@jozefserf2024 3 года назад
Fischer actually said that Morphy was the best. Both Fischer and Morphy were miles better than their rivals. Hikaru's list 23:28 Kasparov Carlsen Fischer Capablanca Karpov Anand Kramnik Botvinnik Lasker Morphy
@hansspecht712
@hansspecht712 2 года назад
if fisher isnt on 1 it must be russian disinformation campaign
@neetforneed577
@neetforneed577 11 месяцев назад
Lasker is underatted like being no 1 for 25 years and noone is noticing you wtf
@abhlyy1738
@abhlyy1738 3 года назад
Indians going crazy in comments lol...the reason why aanand isn't in top 10 bcz he never dominates tournaments like other competitors..he was world no. 1 for just 21 months! And another reason is his career is sandwich between kasparov and carlsen's era!
@Praava7
@Praava7 3 года назад
To have Kraminik on 7 and not have Anand in top 10 is a crime.
@Sheep.
@Sheep. 2 года назад
Vishy definitely deserves to be in the Top 10 imo.
@gordontubbs
@gordontubbs 6 месяцев назад
Hikaru always says Jose Raul Capablanca like an announcer introducing a fighter into the ring. lol
@Jasruler
@Jasruler Год назад
This article reads like something ChatGPT would spit out.
@Unrevealingexistence
@Unrevealingexistence 3 года назад
Kasparov Magnus Fischer Top 3,Karpov no. 4 , Anand Lasker Alekhine Capablanca Morphy in some order, and then Botvinnik as No. 10 next one in the list would be Kramnik
@TheFlanker47
@TheFlanker47 3 года назад
Fischer over Karpov is the chess casual brainlet pick. Congratulation.
@keplergso8369
@keplergso8369 Год назад
@@TheFlanker47 I agree. It is a fan attitude. Kasparov/Magnus/Karpov seems to me a more realistic order. But even this order does not mean something realistic : Magnus is the best of his time, like Kasparov was at his time, like Karpov, Botvinnik, Morphy, etc...
@donkbonktj5773
@donkbonktj5773 Год назад
@@keplergso8369 Longevity is not everything. There's a major reason why Fischer is over Karpov.
@martinpaddle
@martinpaddle 3 года назад
Regarding Morphy's estimated difference of 400 ELO points... one also has to take into account that there were far fewer Chess players back then, and many potentially great talents back then never learned the game. It's safe to assume he would still be the best today, but probably not that far ahead
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 года назад
Good point. There was a lot less opposition in his day so a dominant player would have an easier time racking up rating points. Imagine if Carlsen only had 5-10 serious contenders to deal with as opposed to hundreds that on a good day could defeat him. The amount of prep that a world champ needs today is mind boggling.
@jefftaylor1186
@jefftaylor1186 Год назад
What’s wild about Morphys “Opera Game” was that he wasn’t even paying attention to the board. He was trying to watch the opera.
@JamesMurphy1984
@JamesMurphy1984 3 года назад
Where’s Aron Nimzowitsch? Not even an honourable mention. He wrote books on chess theory that inspired many. Wow…
@richardgunni4314
@richardgunni4314 3 года назад
But you can't Take everyone on a top 10 list. I missed Rubinstein, Richard Reti and Miguel Najdorf.
@stuarthys9879
@stuarthys9879 3 года назад
Might be top 10 influential players, but not best players. It makes sense to only consider world champions.
@vik24oct1991
@vik24oct1991 2 года назад
if you tell me the strongest players then 1. kasparov 2. magnus 3. karpov , karpov is massively underrated because firstly because of his style and secondly he lost to kasparov in very tight matches , looking at his win loss record against kasparov I would say he was very close to level of kasparov, that in itself makes him a top 3.
@marilynfat1619
@marilynfat1619 2 года назад
Very nice point.
@simpletimes2819
@simpletimes2819 2 года назад
We all know if fischer didn't drop off the deep end he would have beaten Karpov, and finally meeting his match against kasparov
@somekoswe9123
@somekoswe9123 2 года назад
@@simpletimes2819 We actually don't know that. Fischer would be the favorite to win but by no means would it be a certainty.
@simpletimes2819
@simpletimes2819 2 года назад
@@somekoswe9123 true... only if we could manipulate time... Have fischer play magnus in their primes.. even bring Morphy into the picture lol...but honestly i don't even think fischer was in his prime yet when he beat boris, I do think he was the best ever. He prepped 60 move games..
@anassaahirhuq2207
@anassaahirhuq2207 2 года назад
@@simpletimes2819did you know that Fischer did not play a single game between his match against Spassky in 1972 and the match he was supposed to have against Karpov. Even then Spassky himself said Karpov could dethrone Fischer in 1978.
@Ham_1982
@Ham_1982 2 года назад
if Botvinnik was the father of modern chess, certainly Fischer was the most dominant given the circumstances, but Kasparov brought new life to chess, Anand had some of the most legendary games, and Magnus is just solid all around
@himanshuhk3320
@himanshuhk3320 Год назад
the love and respect he has for anand is so good to see, respect!!
@danielfrappier3378
@danielfrappier3378 3 года назад
There is a lot to consider here. How strong the player was and how strong he was compared to the field. As time progress it is reasonable to think that it is harder to dominate by the same margin (No human would probably be able to dominate by 300 points today, no matter how talented he is). How much time did the player dominate and much time did he remained world class. You have to take into account contribution he made, there is a lot of intangible.
@geometricart7851
@geometricart7851 3 года назад
right even today prep is done using engine analysis.
@sylvesteruchia5263
@sylvesteruchia5263 4 месяца назад
That's why Anand should be on the list .
@danielfrappier3378
@danielfrappier3378 4 месяца назад
@@sylvesteruchia5263 I am not disputing that.
@smokeya2
@smokeya2 3 года назад
Nakamura is pronouncing Alekhine incorrectly. The correct pronunciation is “a.luhk.hine”
@alternateimmaster2213
@alternateimmaster2213 3 года назад
No that is incorrect hikaru's pronunciation is correct
@intheskies8081
@intheskies8081 3 года назад
No one cares he ran away from morphy
@JimTDF
@JimTDF 3 года назад
@@alternateimmaster2213 As a matter of fact both are incorrect. The proper pronunciation would be "Alye-heen" (and try to say the first part without glottal stop caused by 'y', saying "e" as it is pronounced in "men"). Alekhin himself was always very upset when someone was pronouncing his name with "yo" sound as in Alyo-heen since he thought it vulgarized the surname - he insisted that it was a nobleman's surname and therefore must be said differently from a common folk's version of "Alyokhin".
@donkbonktj5773
@donkbonktj5773 3 года назад
@@intheskies8081 He ran away from Capablanca.
@MrTheDif
@MrTheDif 3 года назад
"Ally yaken?" Alekhine = Alek-hine
@bernie4366
@bernie4366 Год назад
1970 Bobby Fischer is the GOAT pure chess player, and if he had grown up with computers and stockfish he would beat Kasparov and Carlsen.
@2saucytommy
@2saucytommy 10 месяцев назад
I disagree with Morphy’s position here. I respect Hikaru’s opinion and I can get where he is coming from. However, the gap in ELO between Morphy and all of his competitors for that relative time period is much larger than that of today’s competitors. The world champion today, Magnus, even loses sometimes to people who aren’t even top 3 so considering Morphy literally quit chess because nobody was giving him a big enough challenge makes the answer clear for me. You must consider relative competition for each player’s time period.
@philjohnson9320
@philjohnson9320 2 года назад
Had Fischer kept on playing seriously (and not been such a wackjob) he would have crossed 2800 by 1980 - a greater feat than Kasparov doing it in 1990. Fischer was 2785 in 1972, a rating good enough to be top 5 today. He was way ahead of the field and the most dominant player of all time. His back-to-back wins against top GM's in set matches (Candidates), without even conceding a draw, will never be equaled.
@jackkenefick2696
@jackkenefick2696 2 года назад
That's the thing. Anyone could have done anything if only... that's why the people who beat the if onlys and actually went and did it are the people who deserve it.
@Idk-bw3ib
@Idk-bw3ib 2 года назад
He lost interest in chess so yeah.
@dexio8601
@dexio8601 Год назад
We don't know what would have happened, we know Fischer avoided his strongest opposition in Karpov in 1975. Fischer had a great 2 year run, but maintainig that rating would have been incredibly difficult.
@BlitzWizard94
@BlitzWizard94 3 года назад
Capablanca, fischer, and carlsen all earned their rankings and definitely were the best players of their era, capa definitely feeling underrated in my opinion but bobby is the #1 player for me while Raul should be in the top 5
@kasparov937
@kasparov937 3 года назад
Can you explain how Fischer's 2 year dominance beats Kasparov 20?
@BlitzWizard94
@BlitzWizard94 3 года назад
@@kasparov937 i mean even kasparov admits that he was no match for fischer at that time, he destroyed anyone and would arguably be considered better in terms of skill than record
@geometricart7851
@geometricart7851 3 года назад
He would have lost to Karpov had they played in 78
@josemanuico5613
@josemanuico5613 3 года назад
@@BlitzWizard94 kasparov never said that
@BlitzWizard94
@BlitzWizard94 3 года назад
@@josemanuico5613 give me a second then to find it but i am pretty sure one of them said that they werent a match for fischer in his prime
@WeCube1898
@WeCube1898 2 года назад
Awesome 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 TOP 50 CHESS HEROES OF ALL TIME ??? My suggestion for the Criteria are as follows. - World Champion - World Cup Champion - 2800+ Club - Top 25 Rating List Consistently - Top Innovator - Theoretician. - Consistent Tournament Finalists - Candidates Winner - Top Women Rated player which Top 50 Open (for 2-3 Spots) Here are my Nominees In no particular order: 50. Hou Yifan 49. Judit Polgar 48. N Gaprindashvili 1 G Kasparov 2. M Carlsen 3. RJ Fischer 4. V Anand 5. V Kramnik 6. A Karpov 7. V Topalov 8. M Tal 9. B Spassky 10. T Petrosian 11. M Botvennik 12. M Euwe 13. V Smyslov 14. E Lasker 15. JR Capablanca 16. P Morphy 17. W Steinitz 18. A Alekhine 19. RL Segura 20. A Nimzowitsch 21. J Zukertort 22. M Najdorf 23. P Damiano 24. A Petroff 25. A Philidor 26. H Staunton 27. B Larsen 28. S Winawer 29. A Andersson 30. A Rubinstein 31. S Tarrasch 32. M Chigorin 33. L Aronian 34. F Caruana 35. H Nakamura 36. T Radjabov 37. G Kamsky 38. P Svidler 39. R Ponomariov 40. MV LaGrave 41. S Karjakin 42. A Grischuk 43. W So 44. V Ivanchuk 45. A Shirov 46. B Gelfand 47. V Korchnoi If I would make an all time 10 chess influence, my list would look like in random order : 1. Robert James Fischer 2. Gary Kasparov 3. Magnus Carlsen 4. Vishy Anand 5. Jose Raul Capablanca 6. Paul Morphy 7. Emmanuel Lasker 8. Vladimir Kramnik 9. Mikhail Botvennik 10. Anatoly Karpov 11. Judit Polgar 12. Ruy Lopez Segura
@just2share
@just2share 3 месяца назад
The Best 15 Chess Players Ever: 1. **Magnus Carlsen** (1991 - present, FIDE peak 2882 in 2014) - Holds the highest FIDE rating ever and dominates modern chess. 2. **Garry Kasparov** (1963 - present, FIDE peak 2851 in 1999) - Renowned for his long reign as World Champion and significant contributions to chess theory. 3. **Bobby Fischer** (1943 - 2008, FIDE peak 2785 in 1972) - Remembered for his World Championship win and transformative impact on chess. 4. **Jose Raul Capablanca** (1888 - 1942, peak in 1921) - Celebrated for his innate talent and mastery of the endgame. 5. **Anatoly Karpov** (1951 - present, FIDE peak 2780 in 1980s) - Distinguished for his positional skills and sustained dominance. 6. **Vishwanathan Anand** (1969 - present, FIDE peak 2817 in 2008) - Esteemed for his rapid chess skills and multiple World Championship titles. 7. **Vladimir Kramnik** (1975 - present, FIDE peak 2817 in 2008) - Acclaimed for ending Kasparov’s reign and his profound strategic understanding. 8. **Mikhail Botvinnik** (1911 - 1995, peak in 1963) - The founding figure of the Soviet Chess School and a pivotal figure in chess history. 9. **Emanuel Lasker** (1868 - 1941, peak in 1921) - Held the World Champion title for 27 years, known for his pragmatic approach to chess. 10. **Paul Morphy** (1837 - 1884, peak in 1850s) - A trailblazer of modern chess renowned for his brilliant attacking play. 11. **Alexander Alekhine** (1892 - 1946, peak in 1930s) - Recognized for his aggressive playing style and deep combinational insight. 12. **Mikhail Tal** (1936 - 1992, peak in 1960s) - The ‘Magician from Riga’, revered for his creative and daring attacks. 13. **Boris Spassky** (1937 - present, peak in 1970s) - A versatile player with a World Championship title and a wide range of skills. 14. **Tigran Petrosian** (1929 - 1984, peak in 1960s) - ‘Iron Tigran’, famous for his nearly invincible defensive play. 15. **Max Euwe** (1901 - 1981, peak in 1930s) - The only Dutch World Champion, respected for his scientific approach to chess.
@frozencloud17
@frozencloud17 2 года назад
Morphy definitely belongs in the top 10. He was lightyears ahead of his competition.
@mohanselvaraj9913
@mohanselvaraj9913 11 месяцев назад
Lightyear is distance, use other words like millenium , century or eon etc
@douggieharrison6913
@douggieharrison6913 2 года назад
I always compare Morphy to Newton. My high school physics teacher knew more than Newton but I'd never EVER say he was smarter. He's standing on the shoulder of everything Newton put forth. That's how I see Morphy. Morphy may have been an above average GM today, but that doesn't mean he was a worse player. Without access to any of the games and especially no access to engines. Much like Newton discovering calculus at 26,Morphy retired at age 22. So before he was even near his prime he quit the game... insane how much he could have accomplished. Morphy was truly a titan of the game and always deserves a top 10 spot imo.
@dhruvyadav7715
@dhruvyadav7715 2 года назад
your physics teacher knows more than newton about what about his creations then good joke 😂
@johnrobbins917
@johnrobbins917 2 года назад
We hear a lot about the GOAT in chess and tennis and golf. The way I see it, if a player like Paul Morphy or Rod Laver or Bobby Jones was able to continue playing for decades without decay of their talents, then it would be reasonable to expect them to be able to compete with the recent players who have built their own games on their antecedents' games.
@UrGoneConcept
@UrGoneConcept 2 года назад
My all time greatest list: 1. Kasparov 2. Magnus Carlsen 3. Anatoly Karpov 4. Fischer 5. Anand 6. Capablanca 7. Tal 8. Botvinnik 9. Kramnik 10. Petrosian
@UrGoneConcept
@UrGoneConcept 2 года назад
@Secret Wars - Michael Jordan vids channel i don't know what was going on in my mind. But yeah! I have corrected the list
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 2 года назад
@@UrGoneConcept You were so thrown by having to do an edit that you had to put Karpov's first name as well. Whereas all the others are listed by the second name only.
@elessartelcontar6578
@elessartelcontar6578 2 года назад
Someone should calculate records of Top 10 players against other Top 10 players
@winstonsmith2235
@winstonsmith2235 3 года назад
With all due respect to super GM Nakamura, I like to mention Karpov's top 5 list (from about 10 years ago when he was asked that in an interview). Karpov went like this: 1. Kasparov. 2. Fischer. 3. Capablanca. 4. Tal and No.5 myself. In respect to Tal I agree with Karpov. Nakamura knowledge of chess history is good but not exquisite. Karpov, unlike Nakamura, managed to look a bit deeper and he took into account Tal's overall imprint on the game, his victory over Botvinnik in the WC match, the number of stunning games against most top players from the late 1950's to late 1980's, 4-2 positive score against Bobby Fischer (only Efim Geller had 5-3) and Tal's 4-time USSR championships (even winning it once was a tremendous achievement as it was strongest chess tournament until the end of the USSR in 1991). Petrosian, Kramnik, Fischer, Kasparov and other super GMs were of the same opinion. Hikaru's statement that some of Tal's games were "weak" is unfounded. Tal played in all kinds of Soviet tournaments under various conditions and his health of notoriously problematic, however, even if this anecdotal evidence has some merit, Tal's brilliancies outnumber his so-called "weak" games. Nakamura should take a deeper look at Tal's games and read more about Tal and his legacy to revise his evaluation.
@winstonsmith2235
@winstonsmith2235 3 года назад
I wanted to add one more thing. Nakamura like every top GM has at least one computer guy who gets paid for using an engine to benefit his play. First 20 or so moves of every game Nakamura plays on top level is basically computer generated. Tal on the other hand had to create everything by himself...even the chess literature was in deficit in the 1950's and 1960's. I am not taking anything away from Nakamura, he is a child of his age, but lets face it, a nowadays lot comes down to just memorizing a bunch of computer generated output so its easier to have better quality games. All great GM's, with the exception of maybe Capa, Fischer, and Karpov had a lot of "weak" games. Hypothetically if Tal played a match against Nakamura starting from the end of a computer analysis, from a certain tabiya, I would put my money on Tal. I know its not totally sound to match players from different epochs but Tal shone brighter in his time than Nakamura ever would (including 5-min blitz).
@qweeez156
@qweeez156 3 года назад
Well said. I would put my money on Tal too.
@chill7705
@chill7705 2 года назад
But you dont understand what he was saying… never did hikaru say tal was bad or that he is better… he just said other players were better… for example paul murphy… he had less books and no engine and he wasnt on that list… hikaru is just saying players like murphy should be on that list and tal maybe on the honorable mentions because he was good but not as good as others…
@jonblais82
@jonblais82 2 года назад
@@chill7705 morphy
@davidcopson5800
@davidcopson5800 2 года назад
@@chill7705 *Morphy
@salmarwow
@salmarwow 2 года назад
I agree on Kramnik's point. You don't put Kramnik into top 10 and leave Anand out. Personally for me it's a big question if Kramnik belongs in top 10, while Anand definitely does.
@lucasthoburn
@lucasthoburn Год назад
Magnus and Kasparov are both legends, but Magnus is better.
@rennyskiathitis8178
@rennyskiathitis8178 Год назад
So fun fact about Petrosian. He become qualified for the Candidates by 23 and he qualified for the candidates every cycle until he was 50. He also was in the top 10 until age 50. Also another impressive thing about Petrosian, Karpov wasn't able to beat Petrosian until Petrosian was in his 50's and in serious decline.
@miked2543
@miked2543 3 года назад
I don't understand how someone could love chess and not want Tal in the top ten. Sure, maybe some of his games weren't engine-precise but the man made magic on the board. That said, nice video. Cool to hear perspective from today's greats.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 года назад
Tal was surely a unique character and world champ. Sure he made a lot of mistakes on the board but he also outcalculated his opponents on a regular basis. Tal was an ill person and many of his blunders could be attributed to his poor health. I firmly believe he belongs in the top ten although he didn't have the consistency of other champs.
@PartidasInmortalesdeAjedrez
@PartidasInmortalesdeAjedrez 3 года назад
Naka la pirinaka
@countbelisarius9742
@countbelisarius9742 2 года назад
Steinitz was the first American world champion. He became a naturalized citizen during his title reign.
@tacho9427
@tacho9427 Год назад
I agree with the assessment of Morphy, we can only judge players by how good they were compared to their competition. There was a significant amount of separation between Morphy and Fischer from their contemporaries. So I consider them the two greatest.
@th6n
@th6n 3 года назад
Carlsen, Kasparov, Tal, Vishy, Caruana, Kramnik, Karpov, Morphy, Fisher, Capablanca (no certain order)
@herminio9961
@herminio9961 3 года назад
Caruana respecter
@geometricart7851
@geometricart7851 3 года назад
@@herminio9961 Caruana? naw...
@donkbonktj5773
@donkbonktj5773 3 года назад
Swap out Caruana, Tal and Kramnik with Lasker, Alekhine and Botvinnik in the top 10.
@th6n
@th6n 3 года назад
@@donkbonktj5773 Tal was probably the most inspirational in my opinion, Magnus and others would beat him from a positional standpoint, but his chess was so beautiful, he was super creative with his attacks
@donkbonktj5773
@donkbonktj5773 3 года назад
@@th6n I also agree he's very inspirantional :) He is in my top 3 favorite players.
@ghost79ish
@ghost79ish 2 года назад
Tal is really hard to evaluate because he was so unique. He also suffered from alcoholism (imagine him not having that disadvantage). Many of the most enjoyable games I've ever seen were Tal's. I'm not saying he's the best, but he is my favorite.
@NekysAcherontios
@NekysAcherontios 2 года назад
Tal had chornic health issues but i do not think he was an alcoholic. He was a really heavy smoker though, even when in the hospital
@ghost79ish
@ghost79ish 2 года назад
@@NekysAcherontios it's pretty well documented that not only was he an alcoholic, but worse than most. There does seem to be some correlation with creative genius and substance abuse. I'm not saying I'm some chess genius, but I do technically fall in the category of genius by IQ... Or at least I did when I was younger, I've definitely fried a lot of braincells since then... Regardless, my point remains, if he was healthier, both in mind and body, just imagine how incredible he could've been...
@Goochbag8
@Goochbag8 2 года назад
My sides would have taken orbit if #1 was Hikaru with a picture of him making the most smug face.
@mms2409
@mms2409 Год назад
its always crazy too me that Fisher was only on top for such a short amount of time but is still widely regarded as a top 3 all time guy. If he had a longer career not even 20 years but just a decade I think there would be not debate who would be 1.
@brendanbrown3100
@brendanbrown3100 Год назад
Fischer played at the top level from 58 to 72. With knockout candidates he possibly could have been world champ in 62. He was street ahead on ELO ratings from 67 to 72. That’s long enough to be one of the very best.
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