Pilots view of TUI Fly's brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8, flying from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol to Rotterdam The Hague Airport. The OO-MAX is TUI's first MAX 8 and will be used by both Belgian and Dutch flight crews.
Woaw!! What a quiet plane. I could not hear the typical engine rising sound after pressing TOGA. I like the simple and clean design. Funny small details like that very small gear-up-down lever and the same for the engine cutoff levers. The big displays are great. Top class pilot and co-pilot. Thamks for a great video. Love the 737 Max 8.
milton fonseca the copilot is André Berger, director of flight operations. He is in fact captain, instructor and has a lot of flight experience. So he should have more than enough skills for this short flight ;)
Actually Boeing sent out a memo to the pilots of the MAX after Lion Air crash explaining what may have caused it and what to do. Here is basically what is happening. Upon climb out the pilot will engage the autopilot with it in NAV mode. At this time flaps are still extended for climb out and the aircraft maintains the climb as indicated on the FMS to the assigned altitude. Once the flaps are fully retracted the MCAS engages. At this point the MCAS looks at several things but one being the Vertical Pitch Indicator to either adjust the trim up or down as needed for climb or possibly level flight if needed at this point. The Vertical Pitch Indicator is reading on some MAX 8's 10-20 degrees higher than what the aircraft actually is pitched at. This engages the MCAS to lower the Trim to level the aircraft as needed. Well at this point the plane over pitches nose down because the Vertical Pitch Indicator is saying the plane is pitched up, which it is not. The pilot then will use the Trim on the yoke to trim up also pull back on the yoke and both the MCAS and the pilot are fighting to keep the plane level. Once the pilot stops with the trim adjustment the MCAS goes to full trim down due to adjust for the 10-20 degree increase in the Vertical PItch Indicator it was getting, which is incorrect. At this point the aircraft is sadly most likely in downward angle and unable to recover from it. Boeing did say in a memo what could be done to help stop this during flight. The pilot's can manually override all autopilot functions including MCAS, either first or at that point put the Flaps extended one notch to disengage the MCAS.
Great comment. Two points. Number one, why the Pitch Reading is wrong by default, to begin with? This should be a software patch but why it is not detected in the test before, there must be other causes. Two, there is no button to disengage MCAS in this brand new MAX 8. It is absurd to extend flap just to disengage MCAS while climbing in altitude. What next? The pilot should lower landing gear just to keep the plane flying? In any case, the plane should be grounded worldwide, until these two problems are fixed. The FAA and Boeing is crooked. Saving face over human life. This is a national disgrace. You're not just looking at a plane crash, you're looking at American Democracy crash and burn.
Software that control censors was said might be the problem. What type of censors are on this plane? Let's say the plane takes off, and enroute six minutes inflight, A passenger texting, over riding the software on the plane. IPAD or smart phone data is the same as the plane it may interfered with the autopilot or the plane itself. And if a smart phone did this on both crashes , all they would have to do is see the calls\tests at that time and who had what type of phone, and see what type of software Boeing is using. And if computers or phones have the same data, And then you can pin point time, from flight chart of the crashes. jmo
The AOA (Angle Of Attack) sensor is the main input for MCAS which then controls stabilizer trim to correct pitching up or down due to thrust change (due to engine placement above CoG). While the yoke controls the elevator, the stabilizer is much larger than the elevators, and therefore is more effective than the elevator at extreme angles. So counteracting trim with the yoke is not possible. The runnaway stabilizer procedure should be applied in such cases, main thing is to switch both stab trim to off and trim manually.
Judging by the reception on arrival I'd guess it was a new delivery to TUI and that's why it was an unusually short flight. The water canon gave it away somewhat
I want to know why beautiful cockpit everything done right why pilots using pads ? and why are the pilots using pads in the cockpit when in the back you got to turn your pad off phone off etc
I wondered which airline uses the Orange callsign these days. It was the atc callsign of former Air Holland. I suppose Orange is for the dutch Tui only? Great video btw!
My flather flies the MAX8 in Asia.. He agrees with you, the new design of LEAP-1B engines requires a longer startup sequence. Engines have to be in idle for a complete minute before applying thrust.
Enrique Delgado yeah it wastes a lot of time btw all CFM engines requires 1 minute idle after start,i used to be a 737NG simulator instructor i wonder how i can get a 737 MAX FCOM the differences seems little yet a lot
give me back the l-1011 i hate the new class cockpit and that stab trim needs to be looked at on the new 737s but i like this air plane its sad that people had to die rip there souls
You started engine n°1 during taxi? I know that the start sequence for the max is longer than the NG, but is that normal to taxi before the start procedure ? (I fly the 73NG.. and just did my differences few days ago) tnx for your answer 😉
Hmm. I’ve watched a lot of these videos, and I don’t recall ever seeing a single-engine taxi like this. They start the second engine _during_ taxi. Right? Is this a common procedure? Is it relative to the airport? to the 737 MAX 8? Or is it just my ignorance?
At 10:25 there are two wheels spinning at the center console. Is that the flaps retracting and is that automatic? Thank You for the explanation of the various controls and sensors, the news tells us nothing.
This is what MCAS (the system supposedly responsible or partially responsible for the Lion Air and Eithiopian Airlines crashes) does - it trims the nose down cause this aircraft tends to wanna go nose up when using more thrust due to bigger engines and stuff. Someone more informed correct me if I am wrong.
Those are the trim wheels. Actuated by the autopilot or pilot electrically, or by the pilot manually. the MCAS overrides the trim to move the stabilizer ahead of or during a stall if in manual flight and clean config, so the pilot will have improved handling of pitch during the impending stall recovery. It’s essentially a stick pusher and is common in all sorts of aircraft. The accidents were a function of erroneous stall warning signals becoming active, which continuously drove the MCAS to drive the trim forward/down, and in both cases the pilots did not have the training or experience to understand they could disable the trim system (which kills the MCAS) by simply turning off the stabilizer trim cutout switches. Like any accident, it’s a complicated chain of events that almost always points to a combination of engineering, experience, training, and ultimately pilot error. I’m not saying the pilots made a mistake, but more training and experience might have prevented lion air, and Ethiopia would have CERTAINLY been prevented if they had been up to speed on current guidance. Make no mistake, the Max is an exceptional aircraft ONCE MCAS IS REPROGRAMMED, and that will happen before anyone flies in them again. It’s a relatively easy fix by Boeing. And there will be a lot of finger pointing for years to come as to how it got certified in its original form. People need to understand though that the process will heal the aircraft, and experienced, well trained pilots will ALWAYS be in a position as the safety advocate of the passengers. MCAS is just one example of what pilots deal with on all types of aircraft. There are thousands of things that can kill you on an airplane, and US pilots will stand by our safety record as exceptional in this regard. The combination of US airspace, aircraft engineers, pilots, training, regulatory, , and oversight is unmatched in history and we are striving every day to make it better. Mistakes like these recent ones are never acceptable in our industry.
fly runway heading doesn't mean to hold your nose on the runway heading but your direction of flight on the extended centerline. And to do this you have to compensate the wind... That's not specific to the Netherlands but the same everywhere..
well if they flew runway heading their nose would be pointed in the runway direction, but they were told to fly runway TRACK so they had to correct for the wind to stay on the extended centerline
I don´t understand why they start engine 2 while taxiing, because every pilot dose it before pushing back and lining up on the taxiline. Strange maneuver!
Why do you hate 737MAX and his MCAS? If you had been more considerate when you read MAC report about crash you'd understand that if pilots of those 737MAX aircrafts have done all by QRH crashes wouldnt've happened.OK, boeing had a mistake in QRH when they have marked "information about pitch trim calibrate before blackout electric motor of trim" like note, but no "warning". But pilots might understand it because it is very logical - uncalibrated pitch trim is very hard to set by hand. I think MAX is very nice plane with some little technical faults, but we mustn't fear it even after fixing problems. Fly safe!)
Thank heaven for the curvature of the earth, without it these ground grippers would never become airborne. Excellent flight management. Thanks for the upload
