Bonelab is Better. 

Exactly bonelab had an improvement over literally everything else

It’s probably because they needed it to run on quest so it had to have smaller levels

They should at least put some 3 levels where you actually need to change characters to win instead of just using the heavy like you can in the last 2 levels. the only reason i didn't just used the heavy was because i wanted to convince myself that maybe that part was made for fast, strong, tall, etc. There literally was only one level like that

It’s because bonelab is supposed to be modded so it’s not the campaign

@@dudebrogamer7377 maybe they could have expanded it for pc or something but good point

It's a pretty delicate balance. Bonelab is definitely more restrained and Half-Life Alyx feeling because of what you said, like, they anticipate a lot of VR/Boneworks newcomers to enter and they already knew that a larger and less linear scope for levels would have been disorienting. Speaking in the moment without considering what's realistic or objectively the best in game design, I feel like they should add larger and more veteran-oriented post-game levels, like maybe a slightly harder/involved micro campaign for people who already know what they're doing. They were getting somewhere with Ascent, so if they did more of that, it'd go a long way towards making the campaign feel more substantial.

Its impossible to do that and have it on quest, and not putting it on quest losses them soo much money so they cant do that.

@@noahbug92 I had a fun time and easy(ish?) experience playing Bonelab, and I was on Quest. It might have been because I had Blade and Sorcery though.

@@LegendDari I talked with the developers a while ago, I distinctly remember them saying their next game will be mainly campaign again

yeah, another sequel in the slz’s bone series would fix the game being boring

Games with modding support are truly glorious. And I agree, the next bone game might be a lot better off now that they don't need to worry as much about the modding framework and such. They can just do a basic R&D cycle for cool new features and make a campaign that'll satisfy most people.

I hope you’re right about the next game but I don’t see the point about the gameplay. The modding is great, but most of the base gameplay is either barebones (no pun intended) or tedious. Once again, that is mainly about the base game.

@@whatabuga9910 The two main things i noticed between the two is the mp5 is now useable to a certain extent and the melee is a lot better. Especially with a sledgehammer as it feels there's more weight to it when swinging

@@zelorig8887 that’s a relief cause I never really ever used melee or the mp5 because they were either broken or just weren’t fun. I’ll have to check it out again.

SLZ has already said that after bonelab they want to move on to making games that are less “proof of concept” type experiences. Their next one could be a VR physics game that just uses physics as the medium to tell a more unique story with more specific mechanics, which will be awesome. Imagine literally any other triple A VR game but with bonelab’s level of physics.

I didn’t exactly feel that way but I do understand the point of it being loud. That is adjustable in game though

Yeah

Yeah man, the music is awesome!

You got good points fam and you have my respect. The campaign should have included a lot more Boneworks type levels instead of being a literal rollercoaster of minigames the entire time. A lot of the things in the SLZ universe are touched on and expanded in Bonelab, but it's all so subtle and requires a lot of homework and study, so it wasn't as cool or accessible as Boneworks.

Boneworks levels really aren't as big as people seem to be remembering them. Sure, they're gigantic compared to bonelab's story levels but compared to many other games, the levels take no time to get through unless you're going out of your way to check every nook and cranny in the levels.

Bonelab isn't really a Boneworks V2, its more of a Boneworks V1.3. It doesn't feel like many things changed. It added some more features, but failed to execute them correctly to fit the actual game. I think calling one of them better than the other isn't true or fair, as it feels like they are supposed to be different games. Bonelab is more focused on the sandbox, and Boneworks is more focused on creating an incredibly atmospheric story where you are your own John Wick in your own world. I personally prefer Boneworks but i dont think either of them are better than the other, i think they are both good for different types of people.

They went too hard on the soundtrack, like the funny bone game didn't need this good of music.

but so did boneworks

@@jamber7147 I’m talking full mod support not melon loader or I should say mostly full since stress level 0 is still working on the sdk

Boneworks slaps but its modding scene needed a breakthrough if it was going to get more interesting than Ford NPCs and FNAF avatars imo. There's obviously amazing things like the 7-11 map and custom guns and grenades, and even a "backport" of the go-kart but all of that took years to achieve. Bonelab just needed a few months at the most.

​@GamesforCykits the games been out for almost 5 months, if modding is essential to the game's experience than why didn't slz create the full sdk before the release of the game?

@@blockheadhilger9626 Because a ''full'' SDK doesn't exist, especially not the kind of SDK that SLZ is going for where it seems like they'll be using the SDK they develop for bonelab in use for their future game development.

Krisp Park! It's made by the whacktacular and epic Krisp! I believe it's linked in the description (7th from the top) if you're having trouble searching for it on mod.io.

@@LegendDari oh bro I’m so dumb 💀 I just noticed you put the name in there already, sorry. Thanks anyways!

Alex In Wonderland. Doesn't appear in game at all afaik, so that's probably why peeps might not be familiar with it. 100% a bop and all the more reason to give Mr Wyckoff your money.

Yesss yeeeess all as planned...

true true i love giga chad ford

It's Loader from my Risk of Rain 2 Avatar modpack. mod.io/g/bonelab/m/risk-of-rain-2-avatars

afaik I will never give up on nerd emoji reviews for the foreseeable future so you're in luck if you like this that much

Music is music. I think both in game and out of the game Bonelab hits harder, and like, speaking from the point of someone who purchases game OSTs sometimes, I think it's pretty valid to argue the extent of the use I got out of listening to them independent of the game. I think because of Bonelab's soundtrack there's a lot more high points that stuck with me. My Control was really hype going into the campaign shooting and solving puzzles, Fistfight Fugue kept things rolling as you brawled in city streets, Turn Around really kept the momentum going into the end of the game alongside having the go-kart, Back to the Lab gave the Ascent a good sense of urgency and importance, and Don't Fence Me In was an amazing way to cap off what was mostly a pretty amazing experience. And for sure, Boneworks does everything Bonelab does too, thats kind of the point of a sequel, to like, do a similar thing and improve on it? Not to sound overly confrontational though. I just think overall Bonelab feels better to play than Boneworks. For the sake of unnecessary comparison, you're kind of saying something like "why should I play the new super mario bros when all the jumping and platforming is on the NES game?" It's true, but I think the jank and age of Boneworks shows a lot more now that I've played Bonelab. There's definitely some pretty poorly received levels-- I was VERY lucky to get Pillar Climb on my first try on release. Those boids sounded like a pure concentrated dosage of awfulness back when they changed your avatar. And I can feel for the longrun bug because it happened to one of my friends and I can see that being really frustrating. Moon base on the other hand was obviously meant to be a breather and give you some sandbox time, which I guess people didn't want during the campaign (which is fair, honestly) but other than the slower movement and no launch pads on release, it wasn't that bad of a level. Some avatars are pretty worthless (like Light, what use do they realistically have other than in the go-kart level), and they're a bit under-utilized in the campaign, but also I believe having the option to not use them and do things your own way is in the spirit of Boneworks/Bonelab. Heavy is stronger than Strong, but also he's big, bulky and slow, so that doesn't make him ideal in every situation you'd need strength. Tall is faster because of their leg length, but also they're really frustrating to use at times and so having a normal sized avatar that moves fast feels better most times. Trying to balance for what they had probably was a daunting task, and one they honestly could have done better, but also I think independent of the campaign they have their strengths and weaknesses, and thus had some amount of use in most people's playthroughs. Ultimately, I still think the feature's presence is an improvement over Boneworks.

Always happy to see opinions and discussion on my vids so you're good to fire away if you stick around! I guess I'm a slower player or something with Bonelab. I think I might've had the sort of asterisk saying that I was speaking anecdotally about length for my own experience, and I wasn't measuring it very stringently (my best "scientific" sample size was my b-roll recordings, which were below 10 minutes per level), so my bad if I made it seem like objectively both games were 100% the same length. Also lesss go ROR2 is the GOAT

​@@LegendDari dont worry man. also IM A BANDIT MAIN LOL

@@flamb0o big ups

There's a mod on Bonelab's thunderstore.io page called Ragdoll Player by Lakatrazz. It is very good for fall jokes and because I love slapstick like that, it's a must have.

They're avatars from my own Risk of Rain 2 avatar modpack- Acrid is the croc and Loader is the tall robot. It's linked at the bottom of my description with my other mods.

@@LegendDari yea I figured that out but in quest when you use body log to switch there’s blinding lights and lags my game out is there any way to tix

Yeah bonelab feels u real it’s so good u have a story mode mods and sandbox and u can experiment. The sandbox is like gmod vr

I don't think SLZ is perfect-- the silent treatment that they're giving the community is pretty uncool, and the complaints from the community about that are justified. Otherwise, I think they did make a solid game and should be proud; it's one of the best games of all time for me. People have their right and reasons to complain, but I think there's too much negativity because people overhyped things a bit too much. Had to make this video because it felt like all people did was complain, which I mean, power to them, but it's not like we got a launch-day No Man's Sky.

This avatar is broken! Can I log out to log in? Escaping the funny hologram police as a medieval peasant with an assault rifle with that song playing is a bonafide chef's kiss moment. Gotta love it.

@@LegendDari ford:I fought through MythOS security fighting literal impossible creatures to get to the void to gain immortality Peasant:I rode a roller coaster into the void lol 😂

Not to come off as combative, but looking for ammo crates and putting capsules in trash bins to carry to the end of the level also shouldn't be 90% of the game, either. Both games have a weird collectable end-game filler content thing, but I feel that encourages exploration in otherwise straightforward levels. I will definitely own up and say that I should have made it more obvious that I was speaking more anecdotally and non-objectively about the length of the campaigns. Also just linearity and length are pretty subjective things, so I don't think I can really argue hardcore on which would objectively be the better campaign. I personally just enjoyed Bonelabs more, really.

The audience doesn't know who acrid is, so it'd come off as a bit out of place to say "playing as Acrid" to people who're watching a video that likely only really know just Bonelab and Boneworks, and don't know what Risk of Rain is. I believe I gave all the avatars a similar treatment, not really naming them but just describing them.

@@LegendDari good

Agreed for the most part. I think Boneworks has the more popular campaign for a reason, but I like arcade games and minigame type stuff, so I'm pretty unfazed by the whiplash-inducing succinctness of Bonelab's campaign. Both games 100% super good though.

@@LegendDari lol yeah, the minigames are honestly sick, next time I play bonelab I should give more of them a whirl

Boneworks fans have some weird elitism, and they're seemingly almost obsessed with simultaneously bullying people who aren't like them whilst also kind of pulling them into their community. They need to sort their priorities and be a little less mean 'bout it. I agree though, let people play what they want.

thats impossible ding dong

@@dirtyfrog5524 I did almost get it to work, but it wouldn't work at all, it showed it existed in my mods on bonelab, so idk

@@ArthurFordBW ik what your saying but the quests doo doo fart processor just cant run that stuff

I know that, but that's why I use mobile vr stations text editor thing. I'm not too smart with vr, but decently smart with computers.

I feel for the Quest players who don't have every mod. Can't really relate or help since I'm a PCVR guy, but have you tried Lemon Loader though? I think that's literally just melon loader but for quest.

And it was glorious.

@@LegendDari but it should in be something like mine dive not in puzzle

​@@beniaminb7201 but it was glorious

@@LegendDari it was shit

Dang you got me. That's one of the few I failed to properly credit in the video. It's been in the description though, 4th link from the top. It's Gordon Freeman from Half Life Alyx.

Wait really? Maybe I'm a spoiled and elitist PC gamer, but the quest version always looked a lil bit like putty at times. Still good for an all-in-one headset! Plus, all the more power to being able to bone game on the go, kinda.

That's pretty fair. There's also just people who don't have the time to 100% the game themselves, so there's no real beef towards anyone who got the cheaty save file.

@@LegendDari yea

@@LegendDari idk why lemon loader keeps bugging