Book Burning - A Frequently Misunderstood Magic Card

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@NizzahonMagic 3 дня назад

So, for those of you don't believe this was ever a problem, here's the first results when I google "misinterpreting bookburning mtg": www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/254650-book-burning www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/762fji/what_cards_did_you_completely_misunderstand_when/ tappedout.net/mtg-questions/book-burning-what-do-they-mean-by-unless-the-player-has-a-burning-book/ It's actually a mistake that makes a lot of sense, if you interpret the line break as the end of a clause, it's grammatically correct! But, a line break isn't enough to end a clause.

@smob0 3 дня назад

I've mentioned this about book burning a few times over the years and no one believes me when I say it confused a lot of kids. Judgement was new when my friends and myself all where brand new, so it came up a bunch. I think people who have been playing a while understand the game too much, and can't put themselves in a new player's shoes easily.

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 2 дня назад

"uNLESS AN OPPONENT HAS BOOK BURNING DEal 6 DAMAGE TO THEM" here is the END OF CONDITION, THEN... "PUT TOP 6 CARDS", EVERYTHING BEFORE THE COMA IS IMPORTANT, ONCE AGAIN, AS THERE IS NO EROR, IT'S JUST A LINE BREAK THAT BREAKS THE MIND OF THE READER

@QuesoCookies 3 дня назад

Easy fix, just swap the order. "Put the top six cards of the target player's library into their graveyard unless any player takes six damage instead."

@some_shitposting_idiot3023 2 дня назад

That's how I interpreted it. Am I smarter than the average magic player lmao

@andrewsparkes6275 2 дня назад

And you have highlighted another misunderstood part, which is common to other cards too: The targeted player doesn't need to take the damage. It can be any player that wants to prevent the milling. Which can be very relevant in multiplayer!

@QuesoCookies 2 дня назад

@@andrewsparkes6275 "unless **any** player takes six damage instead"

@andrewsparkes6275 2 дня назад

@QuesoCookies I know. I'm saying a lot of newer players misunderstand it by assuming only the targeted player may take the damage. Which is another, separate misunderstanding about the card unrelated to the one the video is about. And that misunderstanding is also common to other similar cards that have a punisher damage effect (some of which only complicate it even more by actually having only the targeted player need to take the damage, like Skullscorch).

@leonbennett5498 День назад

@@QuesoCookies slight technicality, it must still say “unless any player has Book Burning deal 6 damage to them”, a player cannot just “take 6 damage”, damage must always have a source, unlike life loss

@MarylandBF 3 дня назад

How could anyone interpret it that way 😂

@overtonwindowshopper 3 дня назад

Bro we were dumb 5th graders when the set released give us a break 😂😂

@christopherb501 3 дня назад

@@overtonwindowshopperI didn't have that problem

@AhairlessElk 3 дня назад

I guess I'm a fuckin idiot cuz that's how I looked at it when I was younger

@melvinfz0301 3 дня назад

I was 15 when we played this card in a spanish spoken country... and we never interpreted that way 😂

@ZyggyZero 3 дня назад

Did no one mention how OP a “mill six/take six damage” for 2 mana would be?

@40Kfrog 3 дня назад

The only way you could make that mistake is if you massively lack reading comprehension.

@garethbain9125 3 дня назад

Functional illiteracy is an epidemic.

@BlitzkriegBryce 3 дня назад

One of the reasons I stopped playing magic is because, every other game, I'd encounter people who would argue and try to twist wording around. Add emphasis to try and make it sound like it works differently than it does and such. Just got tired of the constant "rules look up" breaks.

@muneerkhan6526 3 дня назад

@@BlitzkriegBryce Oh man, wait till you encounter Yugioh cards!

@christopherb501 3 дня назад

Which...unfortunately...very...VERY common...

@D2RCR 3 дня назад

Unfortunately this happened A LOT in the Standard of the day.

@smob0 3 дня назад

This came up a lot when I was a kid. Its pretty easy to see how it was misinterpreted, we where 12-13 years old, new to magic, and judgement was one of the first sets to come out after most of us started playing. The internet wasn't as big of a thing, none of us could feasibly look up the ruling, especially during lunch or recess.

@BCWasbrough 3 дня назад

There were a few other red cards in Judgement that had choices like this. Seeing them all together in the set made it easier to figure out what this card is trying to do.

@CeleTheRef 3 дня назад

A frequently misunderstood Magic card by those who can't read

@bueno8191 3 дня назад

You've got to be trolling us. No one over the age of 13 could possibly interpret it that way

@NizzahonMagic 3 дня назад

Nope! Here's one example I found when I googled about it: www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/magic-rulings-archives/254650-book-burning That interpretation is technically grammatically correct, provided there is a comma at the end of the first line. There just isn't.

@lanychabot-laroche135 3 дня назад

I assure you, a lot of people interpreted it badly back then in my group. They were 14-18.

@Trisket 3 дня назад

What if I told you a man in his mid-20s was certain it worked that way despite the rest of us explaining it to him several times?

@davidhouseman4328 3 дня назад

I think some of it was magic used to be a lot less about reading lines of text. There was also a lot less reference to teach you correctly.

@bueno8191 3 дня назад

@@davidhouseman4328 it's still quite illogical. Do I need to reveal my hand, my entire deck, my collection? Too ambiguous. I do remember a friend REALLY misunderstanding Winter Orb when I was a kid, but the fact that an adult would make this mistake at any point in the history of MTG is truly depressing.

@MichaelSmith-fm5ln 3 дня назад

You know how some people are really dumb? Some are even dumber than that.

@tylerowens 3 дня назад

Any player can take the six damage, which makes playing this in multiplayer more interesting. Also technically you can choose to take the six damage yourself. I can't imagine why this isn't used in Rakdos Death's Shadow (sarcasm)

@phatnana2379 3 дня назад

Same with Breaking Point! A good way to either deal 6 damage or wipe the board for 3-mana

@michaeltillotson3711 3 дня назад

I put together all of these style of cards with the villainous choice cards from dr who. Fun to have every cats make a bad decision. None of them are good because everyone can choose what's best for them, but it's all bad@phatnana2379

@tylerowens 3 дня назад

@@michaeltillotson3711 I have a friend who did that with a Kess Dissident Mage deck several years ago before villainous choice was a thing. "You make every decision in my deck. You have no one to blame but yourselves."

@gregoryfolsom7882 3 дня назад

@@tylerowens your friend is at once wholly evil and insanely fun to be around.

@tylerowens 3 дня назад

@@gregoryfolsom7882 that sums him up pretty well. As another example, we were playing World of Darkness and his character was a surgeon. One of the BBEGs had both of his legs broken, so my friend amputated... and then didn't close the wound and left the guy to bleed out and die in the middle of the woods.

@captainshiner42 3 дня назад

This is my very first time seeing this card , yet I understood it just fine. MTG isn't THAT complicated, folks.

@BloodsCaress 3 дня назад

It is but it isn't. There are some very obscure interactions in magic. For the most part the game is straightforward though. Being a fairly new player, I speak from experience or rather lack there of 😂 Like I still don't quite understand how the stack works with certain effects and whether or not the proc one at a time or instantaneously. like for example playing a card that mills while mothman is out. He can get a counter each time a nonland card is milled but would the cards be milled 1 at a time applying his trigger to the stack or do they all happen at once and gets a single counter if any card isn't a land lol

@fastydave 3 дня назад

No you didn't

@dxjxc91 3 дня назад

Imagine being a magic player and not knowing how sentences work...

@franzise3605 3 дня назад

It blows my mind that anyone actually interpreted the card that way, I always thought it was perfectly clear. There's even a full C/U/R cycle of red Sorceries in Judgment that has the same "take damage or get another effect" theme.

@skarloey1214 3 дня назад

That makes a lot more sense.

@DaijDjan 2 дня назад

I would be bewildered by this wondering how any person would interpret the text this way - but after working in costumer service for several years now, I'm not even supprised somehow xD

@andreibarabash9701 3 дня назад

Thats messed up. I remember this card when it came out. No one in my play group ever had any problems interpreting it. Either take 6 dmg, or mill 6.

@TrumpLester 3 дня назад

It plays out like a Villainous Choice like in one of the Dr. Who decks

@TransformersBoss 3 дня назад

There would be a comma after the word Burning if it worked that way. Also, that would actually be a pretty strong card. “Choose target player. That player may reveal a card named ‘Book Burning’ from his or her hand. If that player doesn’t, Book Burning deals 6 damage to that player, and that player mills 6.”

@rmcminiking 3 дня назад

Absolutely not 😂 red burn decks would destroy everything except for other red burn decks, unless you made the card cost an unfeasible amount of mana

@gogaschnitzel3222 3 дня назад

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me

@SomeGuy712x 3 дня назад

I remember how the Inquest Gamer magazine back in the old days mentioned how this was the most confusing card in Judgment, because people kept mentally adding a comma to the end of the first line of text. Of course, when I read the card, I understand how it's supposed to work, where the opponent gets to "pick their poison".

@BloodsCaress 3 дня назад

of all the things that are hard to understand in MTG. This is not one of them 😂

@jonothanthrace1530 3 дня назад

Are there any modular cards where the target chooses the effect? I could easily see this one being formatted as "Target player chooses: - Book Burning deals 6 damage to that player. - That player mills 6 cards."

@randy5606 2 часа назад

This seems easier to understand than what I used to struggle with. I had vedalkan orrery and an ability that could only be used anytime I could cast a sorcery

@tylerstegman6846 3 дня назад

Ive been playing since before book Burning came out and never have heard or seen anyone use it in the way you describe

@NizzahonMagic 3 дня назад

See pinned comment. Or just look in the comments for people saying it confused them

@LiamAnthony_ 14 часов назад

Use to have to explain this a lot. I had a deck called 'Choice and Consequences' where the theme was choice cards like this. I always made sure to clarify it was one or the other, not both.

@Bastardized_Brilliance День назад

First time seeing this card and it did throw me for a loop. That line break is actually killer for some people. That in combination with the comma is what makes people think you do both.

@maximuscesar День назад

The main misunderstanding of these Kamahl cards is that some people (including me) thought they were good.

@kingcobraarchie День назад

Grammatically the comma doesn't mean it's one or the other, it's just that the 6 damage is conditional and the mill effect is always what happens. It's either the mill effect or both the damage and the mill effect

@rareroe305 3 дня назад

I'd say it's weird that was ever misunderstood, but I remember my copy of The Brute says: Regenerate creature The Brute enchants And as a kid I thought 'Of course The Brute enchants, it's an enchantment.'

@davidhouseman4328 3 дня назад

Wandering stream was my misread. I read it as 2 life for each basis land, not land type. It became a lot of life in my GW ramp deck

@solidzaku2 4 часа назад

Target opponent chooses one: Book Burning deals 6 damage to him or her OR Put the top six cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. Fixed that for you...

@mspirits9911 3 дня назад

It's just a problem of layout in the old days. By today it might be printed in smaller fonts to get a better layout.

@Interrobang212 3 дня назад

I didn't misinterpret this one at all. The word "unless" clearly primes you for a choice. I'm actually not sure how people come to that interpretation.

@NizzahonMagic 3 дня назад

Unless has meanings beyond making choices.

@robertogomez2932 3 дня назад

Never had that problem because no one played that shity card.

@MortonGoldthwait 2 дня назад

Ironically, Khamal is burning all the reprints of Book Burning.

@gretchling5012 3 дня назад

i think that perhaps many of us take our understanding of magic's rules text grammar for granted

@NemisCassander 3 дня назад

Incidentally, the card might actually be usable in Phlage Commander decks. Boros doesn't have a lot of self-mill (Lorehold cards, basically), and this card threatens to let Phlage escape all by itself. So it's a very efficient 6 damage to someone.

@davidhouseman4328 3 дня назад

It becomes interesting in commander, because someone talking 6 damage is the right choice but you taking it isn't

@pureevil6047 День назад

I really thought that the misinterpretation would be that only the targeted player can take the damage, rather than any player. What the hell would "has Book Burning" even mean? Like in their hand? Their deck? Do they just have it at all? What happens if you cast Book Burning and I just pick up your copy? Now I have Book Burning so I dont take the damage.

@scottclark3761 3 дня назад

Note that any player can take the damage, and you only declare a target after that. I am sure there's a few Commanders that would like this.

@Vearru День назад

The question I have about this card is do you need to declare targets when you cast it or do you declare targets after the first clause. Because it seems like the kind of effect that could be decided upon resolution. I assume you have to pick targets first but if not that would be an incredibly interesting card design

@JervisGermane 2 дня назад

A) I don't think that's not how most players misunderstand it. B) Some of the stuff you said is slightly inaccurate, and the parts that were inaccurate contribute to the actual misunderstanding. First, any player can take the 6, you or an opponent, so this is most useful in a deck where you want to be dealing damage to yourself. Second, you can mill any player, so this is second-most-useful in a self-mill deck. And as everyone understood when it was printed, you can get yourself straight to Threshold with this card unless an opponent wants to take 6 to stop you.

@jordanyoung6604 3 часа назад

I'm high as fuck on shrooms and that shit made perfect sense

@MLPGamer636 3 дня назад

Seems like a fun card to play in commander.

@McGorak 3 дня назад

Sooo people thought "1R: Do 6 damage and mill 6 cards": Power! Unnnnlimited POWER!!!!

@personalthesus 3 дня назад

Also it’s use: you mill *yourself to immediately have threshold

@MosoKaiser 3 дня назад

Makes you wonder how hard it is for some people to actually, like, read what a card says... 🙄 Granted, it certainly could have been worded better, especially considering it's not from some super early set when card wordings were a bit all over the place and not yet standardized. But still, Judgment's from 2002, wasn't it by then then normal to have card wordings along the lines of "a player (assuming they specifically meant exactly that and not the player targeted by the card) chooses one: take 6 damage or target player puts the top 6 cards of their library to their graveyard"?

@Animate_MTG 3 дня назад

we need to brush up on the rules ☀️💧💀🔥🌳

@BizarroJoe 3 дня назад

Man, I loved this series of cards. Browbeat was THE BEST.

@HughLeFitness 3 дня назад

Is the oracle text cleaner?

@stormtrooperjeepjk День назад

Book burning with syr Konrad in play lol

@PrattJasonAshton День назад

Who the hell is making this mistake? Thats embarrassing

@wanderinghistorian 2 дня назад

What kind of absolute candlestick wouldn't understand how this card works? There is no comma after Book Burning, so if you know English, you should understand this card.

@abuelovinagres4411 День назад

I'm mexican (spanish native speaker) and got it at the first read. That interpretation is just bad intentioned.

@KokNoker 3 дня назад

I choose the believe this is an ESL problem.

@AndrewSmith-pn2qc 3 дня назад

Some people don't know basic English.

@2000sDigitalBoy 3 дня назад

For all the people who are doubtful this ever could have been an issue, I used to play Magic as a teenager with the other boys at school/summer camp, and this actually did come up. Keep in mind Judgment was released in 2002, before smartphones, before Gatherer, before MTG Salvation, before readily available high-speed Internet. Just dumb kids who sucked at grammar playing on a lunch table.

@christopherb501 3 дня назад

Don't look at me; I can actually read punctuation.

@m2pt5 3 дня назад

Or rather, the lack thereof.

@manuelito1233 3 дня назад

I understood it immediately but that's cos ive been playing magic for a long time despite this being the first time i've seen this card. I guess cos of cards like risk factor aand what not,

@NateBullock-ow6on 3 дня назад

It's only 7 cents it can't be that good

@prestonmitchell9135 2 дня назад

"His or her" holy shit magic was based⁉️

@streetpeter3210 3 дня назад

It's like Vexing Devil

@CiscoDuran 3 дня назад

I made this mistake, however english is not my first language and I was 14 😅

@chaoringmeister 3 дня назад

I wonder if the grammar is clearer in a less ambiguous language? German for example which has fantastic structure.

@BlitzkriegBryce 3 дня назад

It's already really clear in English.

@CeleTheRef 3 дня назад

The Italian one begins with "Unless a player decides to..." it makes clear there's a choice involved

@ianh1504 3 дня назад

This sounds like two kids arguing about the spells effect, and you got that one kid whos really bad at the game and keeps trying to cheat in little ways because he cant win otherwise vehemently insisting you take 6 and mill 6. That kid also will throw a tantrum if you dont let him play with his planeswalkers like creatures with power and toughness equal to their loyalty

@margaretjones2585 3 дня назад

The self mill potential

@rtvandle День назад

Reading the card explains the card

@sammysammyson 3 дня назад

Magic players learn to read challenge (Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE) Jokes aside, I would hope this mistake is only able to be made by new/young players today haha. That interpretation makes not even a little bit of sense if you have a basic understanding of how cards work. Damage needs a source, so "...Book Burning, deal 6 damage..." just doesn't work.

@darkmega97 2 дня назад

That really is worded like garbage

@one-barwarlord8280 20 часов назад

Browbeat is a similar effect,

@Paulthored 3 дня назад

I remember this Card. *Interesting Thing:* _Any Player_ may choose to Take 6 damage, there's only one Target... who is the one that must otherwise Mill Six. *which Include's oneself.*

@calemr 3 дня назад

The Intention was to target yourself, even. It was a way to go "Take 6 damage, or I get threshold.", leading to a bunch of mind games about how much you want threshold, if you have another copy in hand, so on.

@EMSWK 3 дня назад

How!?!

@jimmz6 2 дня назад

then it is a very weak card because milling isnt a big draw back unless you mill the whole deck whitch is rare plus the opposing deck could be running a deck where they want to mill so they would then take that everytime over taking 6 damage but at least it is better game desighn then being broken except if they are running the same random card in whitch case it is useless

@Zendrig 3 дня назад

"Frequently"?

@adriansennett2861 2 дня назад

It's simple english gramer. How bad d o you have to be at english to get this. Also it's not a permanent so a player can never "have" Book Burning. Sometimes I think the Magic players are smart as fuck h Then I see something like this and think shit don't they have schools anymore? 😂

@adriansennett2861 2 дня назад

Is swear half the people playing magic today are only capable of doing so because the rules are on line now. Which is a problem. I'm getting ready pop off, and the neanderthals are checking every card interaction on they're phones cause their too dumb to know what the card does from reading the card. Games take 40 minutes instead of five cause everyone so slow and I get bored waiting. So frustrating. And all you have to do is learn fucking English. Am I expecting too much?

@Gamelover882 3 дня назад

Go Kratos

@Forsparda 3 дня назад

this is very poorly worded

@shryque 3 дня назад

It's not "Misunderstood" people are just trying to cheat and it seems they are getting away with it. Basic English reading comprehension makes the cards effects VERY clear.

@Brain-washed2 3 дня назад

It’s like an optical illusion One you read it the correct way it’s hard to go back

@bosslca9630 3 дня назад

Came here to say this. Love interesting choices that only get more interesting with more players.

@shaden489 3 дня назад

Yeah this card definitely confused me back in the day

@crawdaddy2004 3 дня назад

I made this mistake back when Judgement was newish (I was 14 or so).

@himself0424 3 дня назад

Mtg went woke and died for me. Too bad, I liked it for awhile for most of the CCGs first ten years.

@TehSeksyManz 3 дня назад

What in particular has you perturbed?

@davidhouseman4328 3 дня назад

I'm curious too, because the first 10 years is still 20 years ago?

@christopherb501 3 дня назад

FFS, anything you people reductively call "woke" wasn't even brought up here! One could _maybe_ acknowledge "poor literacy is a problem" as such, but that's reeeaaallly stretching it! Stop going around to random videos and advertising you think a$$h0le tomfoolery is totally awesome, yo!