Kevin hart admitting that they went the opposite direction of what the FANS expect of Roland’s portrayal explains the whole movie and he should be ashamed.
“Local vegan restaurant makes controversial decision to secretly serve animal products in their food - states ‘we wanted to move in the opposite direction of what was expected of us!’” /J
@@CaulkMongler You just reminded me of a news story from years ago. An Icelandic meat pie company had secretly been putting vegan faux meat in their product. Customers were not pleased.
@@CaulkMongler that would be a sweet headline. All the time they would be "this plant based burger is so good." Fool... why you eating anything in burger form if you a vegan?
dont give the fans what they want then wounder why the movie fails? recently a movie came out where they said they wanted to give the fans what they wanted and its doing extreamly well.
It's my understanding pitchford melted down after BL2. Notable input from that feminist media contractor baby something or other. This movie comes off as if pitchford had a ton of money and dumped it into a movie. This is 100% ego, hence why none of the star studded cast makes sense, he just picked his favorites, roth too. Bobby lee is probably the feather in the cap of that theory for me. Who hires him to do anything these days? It will always just be bobby lee in the movie, instead of character played by bobby lee. Sadly I think this kills one of the top game franchizes, if wonderland hadn't already done so that is.
Really just seems like he hand picked different things they liked and put them into a movie. Like what about borderlands 2 or 3 movie ? No foresight for the future. Just like how the games are going. Gotta love it.
The cast seems like the studio said, "Jumangi adaptation made money, be like that." Kevin Hart was probably cheaper than than the Rock, or they thought "funnier."
I'm convinced that it should be a rule at this point for directors of an adaptation like this to actually be fans of the source material. This "movie" and Fant4stic are perfect examples of what happens when they aren't, while Denis Villeneuve's Dune films give the book the respect it deserves. Such a simple idea, but so many film studios refuse to even acknowledge it, resulting in garbage like this being thrown onto our screens.
Studios don’t care. In fact companies like marvel actively tell directors and actors not to read the comics they are adapting. It’s such a weird approach to adapting stuff
"New" material and properties are risky, and nobody in hollywood is willing to take those risks right now. So you get themes and storylines which should be their own stand-alone properties shoehorned into existing properties or adaptations. So many shows and movies we've been shown recently I know you've asked yourself, I know I've asked myself, why is this here, why didn't they create their own property rather than colonizing the stories and properties that we grew up loving. And its just the industry of today.
Claptrap in the game: Hated by everyone, but ends up being hilarious and loved by fans Claptrap in the movie: Tries so hard to be funny he ends up being hated by everyone
@@BladeValant546 Yeah because of his programing and the voice he was designed with he always sound happy and joyous, despite being depressed and a tortured soul throughout his life. It really added the charm to his character
He knew he miscast this. I like Kevin hart more than most in this comment section but he isn’t a serious actor. Even when he tries to be serious it comes off as comedy. JL Curtis and Cate B are far too old too. Jack black is talented but can’t be serious… I think they could have made this great if it was taken more seriously
@@kujo4388because he became a leader. He still had some funny moments/lines. But him being in charge of the Crimson Lance he had to become more stoic and serious.
I wouldn't have even cared if they made him genuinely funny. Like I'm fine with having a funny Roland, who cares, and I'm fine with having stoic Roland. But I'm not fine with having neither.
@@kujo4388All the characters in Borderlands 1 didn’t have any personality beyond “funny quip after kill” so I don’t know why you’re not addressing that fact.
The problem is that the actors only know about the characters based off what a director told them instead of actually playing the game for themselves to understand the characters, this is a common problem with video game movies it’s either the director knows the game but the actors don’t or the actors know about the game but the director doesn’t
People in Hollywood still think that they're the best entertainment medium so they look down on anything other than movies. That's why video game movies will always suck
They don't even need to play the games... that would take far too long. But there's a wealth of info about the Borderlands characters, their backstories, the overall storyline of the games, the character trailers... all things that Gearbox could have provided. But the moment scriptwriters of an adaptation want to do "their own thing" instead of working within the existing material, things are bound to be crap.
They used a load of big names for no reason, none of this cast felt right for the characters they were supposed to portray. This film would have done better with a cast of complete unknowns. Half the cast is too old to be playing roles like this.
The whole reason they do it is so the general public are magnetized towards a movie with a backstory they know nothing about. Directors/writers are so worried that because your average Joe knows nothing about video games, they won't give the movie a chance. Meanwhile, Fallout had a cast full of unknowns and all sorts of different people loved it.
Forget the casting and writing. Imagine having a villain like Handsome Jack, one of THE best villains in all of video game history and you decide to not include him in a movie adaption...
Theres someone very similiar in movie with same cheesy jokes, clearly inspired by H Jack. They could not include every character from a game, its not an serial, its 120 mins movie, imagine shit show with all characters on screen. But theres a wink for all Jack fans in movie.
"The firehawk" is most likely a reference to liliths bandit name in borderlands 2 due to her siren powers being mainly fire based. So her bandits/cult call her the firehawk.
@@davidstevens9461 the only real "mythos" about the Borderlands universe is that there are always 6, and never more/less than 6 Sirens and their powers are somehow connected to the Eridians and the mineral eridium. But the Eridians themselves are an obscure mystery that only historians and scientists have even heard of. The average person has heard of the Eridians less than we hear about Atlanteans. If they wanted to dig into a "there's a one" story, they could have centered it more around what the sirens are and once there's more on that what the Eridians are. Instead it's known from the beginning that the descendant of the Eridians would open the vault.
I went into that theater with such low expectations, and still got shit on. This sucks. Borderlands has such a strong place in my heart man, it's the first game my dad and I played together! Love the world, the lore, the characters- And they just took one look at it, shat on it, and are now begging people to wade through the shit. What a joke man, a sad sad joke.
Two things I want to share: 1. Lilith was referred to as the Firehawk by a cultist group of Psychos in BL2, so her being the Firehawk in the movie makes some sense in that regard. 2. Calling Kevin Hart an Ewok was a bigger burn than anything Lilith could dish out.
Also, at the end of Borderlands 3, when Lilith uses her powers to fly to the moon Elpis as if she is Superman, her Siren powers (which iconically were mostly centered around fire and teleportation) literally surrounds her with a phoenix-shaped flame aura, Dark Phoenix style. (Yes, Lilith as an NPC in BL2 and BL3 was a damn Mary-Sue. But the movie making her "discover" her Siren powers at age 50+ is brainumbingly dumb.)
Picking the wrong people to portray the characters was really the main issue. Tannis isn't 65, Lilith isn't 55, Moxie isn't 62, and as much as we all love Jack Black, he wasn't right for Claptrap. And Kevin Hart is bad for any role.
Moxxi is "old", but according to some characters she's had so much work done that nobody can tell what age she is anymore. She should be looking like something along the lines of an OF model.
Moxxi is old she literally has grown kids in the game. Tannis,Lilith,roland, tiny tina should of been recasted. Jack black could of potentially made clap trap work, but the script probably didnt help.
Lilith is dead, she sacraficed herself at end of 3rd game. Who cares about age, its different timeline but haters forgot about simple fact Roland and Lilith should not be in movie first at all.
They revealed the cast back in 2021, I believe. The moment they revealed Kevin Hart as Roland is the moment I knew this movie was going to bomb. Kevin isn't the serious type. He doesn't fit Roland's character.
The movie removing all of Tiny Tina's canon lore backstory -- how years ago Tina and her parents were captured by bandits, sold to Hyperion Corp to become test subjects for Handsome Jack's Eridium slag mutation experiments in the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve labs (the same experiments that Krieg later suffered through prior to BL2), an event which led to the deaths of her parents while Tina managed to escape into the Wasteland with the help of a hand grenade her mother had given her, which explains her trauma and her obsession with explosives! -- and instead supplanting it with a story of Tina being the sheltered daughter of a corporate CEO and being totally "special" and the key to the vault...blablabla... not only removes the canon reasons _why_ Tiny Tina is so "quirky" and bloodthirsty and builds explosives and knows the Wasteland, but it also turns her into a Mary-Sue and plot device. In the games, Tiny Tina is a tragic and borderline insane victim of Handsome Jack. She is perpetually maniacally happy and stuck in a fantasy world she doesn't want to leave... as we see in the Tiny Tina DLC where she uses a TTRPG to deal with Roland's death and breaks down when the others try to tell her Roland isn't alive anymore (as deep down she knows he's dead, she just doesn't want to acknowledge it). She holds tea parties because she is mad as the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, but also capable of torturing some bandits she hates to death and blowing up dams to hurt Hyperion. In the games, she is an NPC girl but just as much a coldblooded killer as the other characters. In the movie she's just a (clone)girl who blows bandits up for no reason and is hyper and quirky and for no discernible reason is totally fine with running around with some Vault Hunters instead of wanting to return to her very much alive father. Huh?
I am a huge Borderlands fan. The first two games and the pre-sequel are some of my favorite games. 3 was a major letdown and the movie was a slap in the face for the real fans. Talk about making an entire fanbase hate you, well you did it. Is there an Academy award for that?
No offense at all, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but I cannot understand how people liked pre-sequel at all. I've NEVER been able to enjoy it. I think the gameplay of 3 is much better, the borderlands 1.5 certainly had the better story lol
I will never understand this cycle, and ive been preaching it for years. Ip: *becomes successful* Hollywood, much later: *pays to use IP, to make successful movie or tv show* Director: *ignored everything that made IP successful, focused on 'their' story instead* Movie: *flops horribly, audience tells hollywood exactly what went wrong.* Hollywood, shocked: "Why do adaptations always do so poorly?!?!?! We did everything right, i guess people arent interested" *cancels new projects*
Honestly one of the worst parts of this movie were the additions of Krieg and Tiny Tina. Like them simply BEING PRESENT already completely destroys their actual tragic backstories. Neither of which had even occurred yet at the time of the first game if not very shortly after in the case of Tina. But Krieg? No. He was a victim of Hyperion experimentation he should not exist as a psycho yet. At all. And this is only scratching the surface.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz I honestly think they have all the acting chops necessary for a movie like Borderlands to actually work - which goes to show the *entirety* of the failure falls on the script and the directing. They’re all A-list actors (with the exception possibly being Kevin Hart). Tina would’ve done fine being carried by the rest of the cast.
Fallout, Arcane, Cyberpunk 2077 Edge Runners, Last Of Us are some of the best adoptions ever because of one thing they did right....Respect the original source material.
I think the biggest thing is other than The Last of Us, everything else listed isn't an adaptation, but a completely original story with mostly original characters. The Borderlands movie was trying to redo already established characters and their well established stories and character dynamics and unless they're willing to adapt it as close as possible like The Last of Us, it's always going to yield a bad adaptation
I actually thought the latest Mortal Kombat movie was acceptable for a video game movie. I mean, I really had low expectations to begin with. Who thinks that it would have some great story? Can't remember the main characters name or face really, but I remember thinking if I had powers and was thrown into a life and death situation... I would want powers that made me absorb attacks too. Plot armor manifiest. I also enjoyed Scorp, and Sub Zero fighting. I grew up as a kid with the orignal movies releasing so maybe a little nostalgia helped.
@@wiiink Arcane added depth and heart, Fallout is lore friendly, Cyberpunk was lore friendly and extremely accurate to the world, so much so that you can find places in the anime in game. Last of Us was a good adaptation, because they stuck with the story. This is an example of a director who wants to make his own movie on the back of a popular ip. You can tell he knows very little about it, all the interviews with the cast show they had no respect for the source material or the fans. You can't take a popular videogame and backstab the fans. It doesn't work. Cyberpunk Edgerunners was a Serenade to the fans, it brought a dying game back to life, that's how good it was and it wasn't even an adaptation of the story, it was a story within the world that existed alongside the one in the game. It added depth to the background. They could have done that here. Told a story with different characters in the same Universe along one of the other worlds or even on Pandora and worked with the developers of the game to show off new lore. Maybe have some cameos of old characters to get people excited and give people a reason to talk, have Hansom Jack come in and mess shit up at the very end, leading into another movie that would make fans go crazy over speculation. That way they could have their 90 year old actors with zero knowledge of the game because it doesn't ruin those characters for the fans. There's plenty they could have done. But now it's done and that is what it is.
Having played 4 Borderlands games, I think this one is a hard pass. The worst thing is that is someone actually makes a proper movie / t.v. series in about decade it will suffer the same fate as Dredd 3D with Karl Urban at the wheel.
Boarderlands needed to be a series 10-12 hour long episodes. No stars, get new blood to be molded, or not, into stars. Each episode should be following a new set of vault hunters. An anthology of stories on pandora.
I mean it was completely a focus group movie too they looked at bl1-2 and just put popular characters in there. Rather attempt to adapt the first game and obviously write it better they went lazy.
@29:15 ELI: I didn't want to make a movie that was depressing and this kind of a film that was absent of hope. I wanted a movie that you just feel great at the end of it. ME: Dude, you've made so many horror movies in case you've forgotten.
Genuinely can't understand the mentality of going against the fans' expectations. Like... They're DEFINITELY the people who want to see it do well. Do it FOR them, not in spite of them.
Arianna Greenblatt was a wasted casting. She could've been a great Tina if she'd been given some better direction and a better script. She's a good actress but this movie completely wasted her.
Eli Roths style works great for a solid b horror film, I’m a fan, but an adaptation of a sci fi game?? Yeah I really do not get why they thought his style would work… even as a fan I knew it was a bad choice 😭
Every now & then I think to myself, "It would be awesome if Mass Effect was made into a movie" then I see adaptations like this and I'm like, "You know what, nvm."
Imo Borderlands really tried too hard to make this adaptation into something “artistic” when if they just stuck to the roots of it, it really would’ve paid itself off multiple times.
Can someone stop Roth from making movies? he's turning into Uwe Boll. He changed all the charachters to pastisches of themselves, the story to fast and the furious meets fant-four-stic, and the backstories to hot garbage.
Edgar Ramirez isn't wrong with what he said but in order to make something exist as its own stand-alone entry in a franchise you still need to understand and respect the material in order to be inspired by rather than overlooked because "I know better". Just buy Tales of the Borderlands and call it a day.
It's probably important to mention they could have used Claptrap's original VO... had randy not been such an absolute asshule we know him to be... not that he would have saved the movie though.
I went to see it even though I knew it would be awful. Me and my brother still play 1 and 2 about once a year. I still cannot believe how they butchered the story and the casting! Seeing tannis that old made me cringe. Also why didn't they have the monster from the vault be a boss fight? I was looking forward to atleast seeing the crazy enemy design on the big screen and all they showed was a tentacle. No final boss fight 😢 also anybody who has played the games know lillith being a siren and its not some twist. None of the characters used their action skills at all like Roland's turret and NOT ONCE did they kill an enemy and take a better gun. Which. Is. The. Whole. Point!
The moment I saw the trailer, I knew it would be garbage. It looks like a Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off mixed in Suicide Squad. It was a dumpster fire from a mile away.
Here is the sad part. Jack Black HAS TO LOVE Borderlands. He's a gamer, this game is right up his alley. So he most likely signed on because he LOVES Borderlands. It had to be hard to do this movie
Wait wait wait so tiny tina was a father,so they just completly altered the backstory,she didnt see her parents die helping her run away whats the point then
I found an article that talked about a leaked draft of the script half a decade or so ago. That sounded so abysmal I was sure it would turn out exactly like this, and didn't bother keeping up with it. And every little bit of info on it that somehow drifted by me just kept reinforcing that decision... The only positive thing is that they didn't rush out a new game to release alongside the movie. I hope they'll take their time to make BL4 a worthy entry in the franchise, even if it takes the better part of a decade again.
Honestly, I didn't even know that Borderlands was getting a movie adaptation until I saw it advertised on boxes of frozen White Castle sliders at my local supermarket. That said, I immediately thought "Oh, that's gonna be terrible, isn't it?" and I feel sorry for Borderlands fans that I was right about that...
The one cast member I thought would understand the sorce material would be Jack Black. But I guess I was wrong. I didn't see anyone else in the cast as a good fit for the roles they played but hey. At least the lame ass Rock wasn't in here somewhere lol
I love the total BS that roth said. Went through hours of the game and comprehensive lore. He took it all and threw it in the trash. Everything in this is just awful. Im glad this came out so i dont have to spend money on this.
That IS NOT CLAP TRAP AT ALL! Clap Trap's voice and personality are NOT right. The real Clap Trap would never say bucko. This clap trap's voice is too soft. The real clap trap's voice is shrill & grates on your nerves. The real clap trap is annoying like being followed by & continuously "Talked At" by a cheerleader on speed. This movies has problems because people who made it never played the game from beginning to end. A true Borderlands movie would be rated R because Pandora was \ is an uncivilized deviant Wild West type hell hole. This movie got Borderlands GUNS Wrong. Only thing this Borderlands movie nailed 100% was Marcus. Tiny Tina was too low energy, Tannis & Lilth were old ladies. The whole movie sucked!
Heya Niyat! I'm a long time fan of your videos! I need to say though your line at 25:04 about Lillith bring the Firehawk isn't quite right. Yes its a type of gun in the first games, but Lillith is called the Firehawk from Borderlands 2 onward. In the games she got the title because of the siren flames on her back as she terrorized raiders and bandits. She even had a small cult you wipe out when you first meet her in the second game (she hates them and wants them gone). The talk about her being a literal diety though is definitely new. That was more of a literal interpretation based loosely on the 3rd game, unfortunately it exemplifies just how out of touch the writers of this movie were. This whole damn movie felt like nothing more than buzz words thrown at a wall to see what stuck.
Like someone else had said, this would’ve been much better as a TV series. Obviously with literally no one that worked on this being involved with it as well.
Borderlands, the only way to do it, is make an actually video game a movie. Turn an idea for one of the games, or even the 1st borderlands into a movie. Still may be bad, but iconic scenes could be good nostalgia. But yeah games are hard to adapt, but we seen people (fans) care more about the source material than anything else
25:15 although you are correct about the pistol. Lilith was called the Firehawk and was considered a god that would burn them all by the cult of psychos that weapon is tied to. Albeit in the second game. Not like the writers cared about continuity.
I would argue Fallout should be in that category of quality adaptations. The creators really brought to life the world of Fallout, even if some story elements fall short. Besides these few outliers… it’s a shame that studios are continuing to make hollow adaptations for money
The way I like to view game to movie adaptations is I don't mind it if you have a good story and trying to be it's own thing while getting it's sources from the game
Samuel Jackson would work better as Roland. Scarlet Johansson would be a good Lilith cos as unlikely as Lilith and Roland are, they work as a couple. Since this is part 1, considering how well he plays Drax, Batista would work as Brick. The most gentle hearted walking tank there is. Oddly enough, though he may not have the Spanish accent, Snoop would have made a good Mordecai. Same cool and laid back personality. They REALLY didnt try to source their characters.
There was stuff to expand on in Borderlands that could have been interesting. General Knoxx reveals the Crimson Lance has so much nepotism it has a 5 year old admiral. Paige's backstory shows Hyperion planets are a utopia&dystopia. The Torgue corporation has a explosion obsessed, larger than life wrestler for a CEO, but is only a figurehead for PR reasons, shareholders wiring his voice box with a profanity beeper.
These cuts to conference calls in between is really annoying and unnecessary, been watching for years and this just completely breaks the immersion. Made it to 17:47 and had to stop watching.
Personally with adaptations of IPs I love I'm ok with changing the story with something new, after all why pay to see something I already know by heart how it's going to be. But yeah I have to agree this was quite half assed and in ways it surprised me even if I went in with low expectations: 1) Cate Blanchet felt like she hated every single second of being in it; there was a constante look of "what am I even doing here?" that went beyond this version of Lilith's arc. 2) So little gore and such a generic plot that felt Eli Roth had been replaced with Uwe Boll 3) Again that stupid PG-13 chase that reflected everywhere, take Moxxxi for example that was overdressed and toned down compared to the attention on other character looks and details 4) Arianna Greenblat was ok, though she didn't quite get the memo that Tina has essentially become a psychopath through her trauma (despite having a totally different backstory) Though the movie managed to surprise me too in some ways that makes me see it as mediocre than utterly bad 1) Kevin Hart didn't look the part, but wasn't that bad. And that comes from someone who absolutely despises his acting/comedic style 2) Little references like the "cosmetic masks" where fun nods to the games customization mechanics 3) In the italian dub they got the games Claptrap voice actor so there's that plus 4) Generic as it was. it flowed pretty fast so it didn't feel like some sort of slow torture like most Resident Evil movies 5) Yeah Atlas was a dull villain, but hey Borderlands 1 lacked heavilly in that department too
Spoiler ahead I don’t like the fact that Lilith doesn’t get her powers until the end of the movie we’ve all played the games. She should already be a siren Kevin Hart playing as Roland doesn’t have his turret and Tina is a clone that is just unforgivable and furthermore, the story oh my God, the story failed miserably. None of the motivations of the characters are real, none of them react to what they did in the game and furthermore, why is Atlas a bad guy that shouldn’t be the primary it should be about the monster and the bandits and we only get one clip of the vault monster we don’t even get to see a big dramatic combat with it and the vault looks more like borderlands three style vaults, which is not bad but the problem is it has nothing to do with the story at all and don’t even get me started on the ending.
On their recent Halo live action the director noted that they had avoided the lore because it might curtail their creative freedom. It was in that moment I knew they had fucked up.
What we need is actual nerds and people who actually love the IP to write and direct movies. That's the only way to save adaptations at this point. Too many people write and direct movies that have no love for the source material or would rather create their own vision for something that's already well established.
With a ton of rewrites, reshoots, bad casting, a lack of understanding the game, and finally a studio that decided to take a rated R movie and make it PG-13, and then advertise it like its a marvel movie. How could this fail? I'm confused. On a positive note I saw Twisters yesterday. Had a good time.
The firehawk is not just a gun, lillith is literally known as the firehawk since borderlands 2 onwards, that part was actually totally lore accurate. (the movie is still hot garbage though)
Just a correction, about the "fire hawk" part. Lilith takes on the name of the Fire Hawk in Borderlands 2 and 3. At the end of 3, she phase steps into the Moon of Pandora, branding it with a giant flaming hawk.
