Bow Tie Dialogue: CRC (Dutch Reformed)

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Bow Tie Dialogues is a show dedicated to learning about denominations from those who actually practice them. Keith Foskey is the host and he has interviewed pastors from the PCA, LCMS, ACNA, CREC, IFB and Church of God. Today, he welcomes three pastors from the Christian Reformed Church (also known as the Dutch Reformed).
Jason Ruis
Church Website: faithchurchbd.com/
Personal Substack: jasonruis.substack.com/
The Messy Reformation Substack: themessyreformation.com/
Aaron Vriesman
Church website: www.nbcrc.org
RU-vid: / pastorvriesman
Substack: aaronvriesman.substack.com/
Tyler Wagenmaker
Church website: www.beaverdamcrc.com
RU-vid: / @threeformspodcast
Substack: threeformspodcast.substack.com
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10 июн 2024

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@chrisjohnson9542 Месяц назад

As a Baptist I really want to encourage EVERYONE to read the Heidelberg catechism. It is absolutely amazing. It will help you to preach the gospel to yourself.

@shawngillogly6873 Месяц назад

Concur. All the 3 forms of Unity are much more pastoral than their English counterparts.

@Ironica82 Месяц назад

I'm a member in a CRC church in Iowa. Though I am a Baptist, my pastor and I have fun with it and it is such a great church. Praying that Synod stays with God's word this year.

@kaleblam5084 Месяц назад

As someone who grew up in the Dutch reformed church, I cannot say how excited I am for this one

@roguedobie Месяц назад

I lived right down the street from vriesman!

@SoldierofChrist9 Месяц назад

Excellent show Keith. As a PCA Presby, I love the Westminster, 3 forms of Unity, Irish Chronicles, Scottish Confession, etc.. I subbed to their podcasts as well.

@Savedbygrace22 Месяц назад

@22:00 I agreed with Jason about reading Romans 9 and once you see it you can’t unsee it.

@wallywest001 Месяц назад

We need a Mick Foley denomination in your Denomination meetings. It will be called the "Reformed Big Eva Wrestlers" because remember If You Love Jesus You Will Wrestle Arminians.

@roguedobie Месяц назад

Looking forward to this after growing up around crc folks in holland Michigan

@Patrick-eh2yb Месяц назад

I forgot to mention CRC besides having Women Pastors. It also allows women to be Elders and Deacons and Commissioned Pastor.

@lloydhemstreet3226 Месяц назад

None of these three churches have women serving in any of those roles (in fact, around 50% of the 1k churches in our denomination do not have women serving in any office).

@Patrick-eh2yb Месяц назад

@@lloydhemstreet3226 I was not saying that women serve in large numbers in CRC . In 1995 the CRC allowed Congregations to Ordain Women in all the Church offices including Deacon, Elder, Commisioned Pastor and Minister of The Word. My point was CRC is not as Conservative as other Denominations.

@johnandkaradekker2728 Месяц назад

That was a big thing to leave out when asked what makes the CRC different the OPC and PCA. This was very deceitful.

@2Nickcdj Месяц назад

In the Dutch Reformed tradition, the URC is the closest to the OPC

@2Nickcdj Месяц назад

I’m in the URC. The CRC is less conservative than the URC (which is more like the OPC). However, the CRC is better now than it was 10 years ago. I really hope one day we can join again. If the CRC would remove women’s eldership I would be for it.

@Sgomes-is4or Месяц назад

Great conversation! Alot i didnt know.

@unit2394 Месяц назад

Very interesting episode learning about the CRC. Thanks as always!

@zebfriudenberg889 Месяц назад

I heard that if you ain’t Dutch you ain’t much, but I can’t help it. I’m PCA😂

@sillyrabbi64 Месяц назад

On the denominations/persnickety thing...I agree denominations are a good thing and don't think we split over too minor issues (with some exceptions), but where I think we get this pattern wrong is, we are too unwilling to cooperate with other groups with which we have minor differences. When I listen to gentlemen like these, I am fully willing to cooperate with them on evangelism and on being salt/light in the culture, even though I have differences with them on some theological issues (I'm a credobaptist, for example). I wish we could work together on kingdom issues without compromising on our minor differences. The cultural push seems to be the opposite...compromise on your positions or cancel everyone who isn't exactly like you.

@lukebentze4948 16 дней назад

Agree: look at Luther and Zwingli, I believe God (obviously cus He is sovereign) had it be like this for a reason, because if not the Reformation could’ve immediately died, but because Luther was so adamant against Zwingli’s questionable sacramental theology Zwingli and the reformers got killed by the Catholics in battle. If Luther was willing to still support Zwingli and the Swiss- lives could’ve been saved.

@jacobgrubb6601 Месяц назад

LOL "if. you love Jesus, you're gonna be dutch"

@RodneyBenson-im4jk Месяц назад

One thing that did not come up was the fact the CRC is no longer a member of the conservative NAPARC churches because they are a more liberal denomination which ordains women.

@Daby4878 Месяц назад

Hypothetically, if I were to start a cult and gain enough members, could I get on a bow tie dialogue?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist Месяц назад

I guess anything is possible, lol :)

@toolegittoquit_001 Месяц назад

There's a long line of possible guests

@stevepoling Месяц назад

Once a cult gets a few million adherents they quit calling it a cult. Just ask the Angel Moroni

@lukebentze4948 16 дней назад

Which Bible Baptist church in Montana Pastor Jason Ruls?

@MikejMartin Месяц назад

Hey Keith do you have any good recommendations on church history whether that be books or some kind of seminar/slideshow on RU-vid? There’s so much info to take in it’s beginning to stress me out. Thanks

@GoodGuyGaming3 Месяц назад

One of the best will be Bruce Gore's lectures on Church history. Cannot recommend him enough. Another is Ryan Reeves on Church history. Bruce's presentations are recorded from his Sunday school class presentations, while Professor Reeves' videos seem to be made with a more "RU-vid" friendly style presentation of slides. Both are excellent and will teach you loads. Blessings!

@MikejMartin Месяц назад

@@GoodGuyGaming3 thank you. Reading I am not the best at trying to read and remember at the same time.

@MikejMartin Месяц назад

@@GoodGuyGaming3 Also there is an insane amount of info for example I recently was reading Gnostism and marcionism and it’s to much to read need someone to explain it better so I was watching James white but he rarely uses slides.

@toolegittoquit_001 Месяц назад

Be careful with Bruce Gore 😮 He's one of those crazy Post-Mill guys 😬😜 Like me 😂

@robbarker9878 Месяц назад

The CRC was removed from NAPARC over egalitarianism, so closer to EPC than OPC

@toolegittoquit_001 Месяц назад

Up next : The CR*E*C With Doug Wilson or Uriesou Brito 🙂

@ConversationswithaCalvinist Месяц назад

Already there! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nkCzf5sZ32A.htmlsi=ZSGjC_Yi2s-2C01_

@DavidJacks1967 Месяц назад

Does Rev Wagonmaker have a relative who is ministering in Fort Worth, Texas with the OPC?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist Месяц назад

I’m not sure, hopefully he will see this and answer :)

@lloydhemstreet3226 Месяц назад

He has a brother who is an OPC minister for sure, but I’m not sure where he is currently serving????

@DavidJacks1967 Месяц назад

@@lloydhemstreet3226 thank you! I have a text out to Todd … asking if Tyler is his relative :)

@thejoshuaproject3809 Месяц назад

Honestly Pastor Keith you strike me more is a Pennsylvania man instead of a Florida man.

@toolegittoquit_001 Месяц назад

I could definitely see him in a straw hat with a horse-drawn buggy 😳

@negf22 Месяц назад

Yes, I totally agree…I’m always waiting for him to say “yins”! 🤪

@levigoodwin3522 Месяц назад

No Paul Vanderklay?

@lloydhemstreet3226 Месяц назад

He is definitely the biggest CRC pastor RU-vidr!

@mlts9984 Месяц назад

My other favorite Calvinist

@stevepoling Месяц назад

I'd love to see a conversation between Mr. Vanderklay and Mr. Foskey.

@levigoodwin3522 Месяц назад

@@stevepoling Same!

@anomos1611 Месяц назад

51:20 tell that to Johan de Witt

@Patrick-eh2yb Месяц назад

CRC is not as conservative as PCA or OPC. The CRC allows Women to be Pastors. The PCA and OPC does not. CRC has been fighting over LGBT issues at there SYNOD for Decades

@RodneyBenson-im4jk Месяц назад

Yeah, I know there is limited time buy a lot was said how the CRC is not as liberal as the RCA but nothing was said that the CRC is not longer part of the NAPARC churches because it is more liberal.

@thejoshuaproject3809 Месяц назад

Should Reformed Baptists call themselves 1689 Baptists or particular Baptists?

@ReformedListener1689 Месяц назад

They should call themselves Reformed Baptists...IF they're: A) Calvinistic B) Covenantal C) Confessional, and D) Amil or Postmil. If they are Calvinistic but don't meet the other criteria, then they're Calvinistic Baptists. If they meet the four criteria, then they're a Reformed Baptist. I would recommend Pastor Joel Webbon's short video on this.

@thejoshuaproject3809 Месяц назад

@@ReformedListener1689 That was a really good explanation, thank you.

@ReformedListener1689 Месяц назад

@@thejoshuaproject3809 I'm glad it helped! Have a good day!

@stevepoling Месяц назад

@@ReformedListener1689 I'm not so sure that eschatological considerations should be included in being Reformed or not. Which of the reformers spoke at length about eschatology?

@savedbygrace7982 Месяц назад

⁠@@ReformedListener1689eschatology only plays a role in whether one is reformed or not when it comes to dispensationalism, and that is because it isn’t compatible with covenantal theology. You can be historic premillenialist and be reformed. Historically though, reformed has always meant paedobaptist as well. The Heidelberg calls credobaptism an abominable sin, and baptists never considered themselves reformed historically. I say this charitably-just clarifying the history of the term. 😊

@Laradoxx Месяц назад

Pastor Keith I have a question as someone who’s trying to get large enough to make money on RU-vid. Do you make money off RU-vid?😅

@ConversationswithaCalvinist Месяц назад

Feel free to send me your questions through the website keithfoskey.com and I can better answer them there. Thanks!

@stevepoling Месяц назад

The CRC is huge in my hometown Grand Rapids, Michigan. Growing up alongside CRC kids, I heard a distorted version of Covenant Theology. I had a girl tell me that the covenant made it so that one is saved by being raised in a Christian home. (God elects folks b/c they're Dutch? God forbid.) I don't think serious CRC people think this, but I got that false impression. Nevertheless, I remain deeply skeptical of Covenant Theology.

@2Nickcdj Месяц назад

You remain deeply skeptical because you once heard what you admit is a “distorted version” of covenant theology from one person? Does that sound at all reasonable?

@sparker8875 Месяц назад

CRC denomination ackowledges women pastors, even if the local church pastor chooses not to have women elders. All the Bible studies, global missions have women teachers/pastors contributing to the content.They encourage Catholic unity. How sad the "reformed" verbiage doesn't apply.😢

@sparker8875 Месяц назад

The RFA affirms LGBTQ, and in our community the CRC is dissociating from them.

@lloydhemstreet3226 Месяц назад

The CRC took a political solution to the question of Women serving as Elders/Pastors in the mid 1990's, making the official position that "Biblical arguments can be made both for and against Women Pastors," and so it is left up to each individual congregation. About 50% of the CRC congregations do not ordain women to offices in the church, with the others divided between only deacons, and others elders or even lead pastors. The URC/United Reformed Church that they mentioned split off of the CRC was over this issue and they do not ordain women at all.

@sparker8875 Месяц назад

Look into the CRC website to see the long-standing history of women affirmation as elders. Not surprised these gentlemen did not approach this subject.

@anomos1611 Месяц назад

@@lloydhemstreet3226hey it's the abide guy

@lloydhemstreet3226 Месяц назад

@@anomos1611, I’m one of them!

@stevepoling Месяц назад

Dude. Move over Hispanics! There's a whole passel of Korean CRC churches.