Boxing Has A Major Drug Problem (obviously) 

There was a massive drug problem in the men’s toilets at Selhurst Park on Saturday . I couldn’t get into the traps to let one loose because the queue to do shovel was too long

Spot on. Failed test: no pay. Enforce that: boxing becomes the cleanest sport on the planet over night.

Rules and laws don't apply to you if you got shitloads of money

Let’s be fair, there’s a huge PED problem in sport in general right now. The olympics are just around the corner and let’s see how many athletes get popped for PEDs before, during and after the games.

With the amount of money involved it should be considered fraud..

as long as there is millions on the line, prestige, and fame, everybody will be on steroids

The only thing that's changed is that the tests are more rigorous and accurate. That's why more names pop up than years ago.

98% of all top-level sports stars do it in all sports

(Boxing has a major drug problem) file that one under the biggest fucking understatement since 1975.

When big money is involved, moral responsibility is thrown out the window.

Gear is so ridiculously common these days that I guarantee that even your local high school (American) football team has at least a few users. I've seen it many times before. It's basically a pandemic at this point. -Can't wait- Expect to see the heart failure numbers surge in the coming years.

Oh wow ya think? Holyfield was the most juiced up fighter ever and got away with it his whole career!

"Lets go Champ fella" made me spit my coffee onto my keyboard , but it was worth it lol.

It's not just Victor Conte, it's Victor Conte and Remi Korchemny that are the dynamic duo in Snac.

The other angle is Turki creates a single league and makes anyone failing drugs tests and immediate disqualification from his ultimate league and the money

Good vid. Note that at 6:33 those are not contradictory, Ryan's test found 6ng, which is 60 times the allowed limit (0.1ng). That is still only 6 billionths of a gram.

most top fighters fight once a year so a 6 month ban is well worth the risk of taking peds. they had the chance to make a statement with pharmacy miller and ban him for life but they gave him 6 months so there is no deterrent for boxers not to take peds. until the commissions grow a pair nothing will change.

The naive people won't understand that top athletes are taking drugs, not just for performance but to help aid in recovery.

5:59 Im sorry whom ?😂

If the Saudis want to take over the sport and set up a promotional monopoly the best thing that could come from that is Vada testing being made mandatory for every fight

It is a little weird when you consider Michele Ferrari’s lifetime ban by USADA. A line in the Netflix doc about Conte he said always stuck with me and is actually alarming when you when consider how wide spread his involvement with current athletes today is even after going to prison for a whopping 4 months: “When Marion Jones hit the finish line and won the gold medal, when Barry Bonds hit all these home runs, you know, any of these great accomplishments, those are things that I’ll always be proud of.” (Victor Conte, Untold: Hall of Shame)

Terrific upload Propa. Very poignant, indeed.! Made for great listening.!! Excellent point about purses pit in escrow until all test results are back.! Bless up bro 🥊

It’s insane how many people are leaping to Ryan Garcia’s defense because he put on a good performance while on PEDs and 3lbs overweight. I understand most of them aren’t actual boxing fans but it’s shocking how the narrative is it’s ok to cheat if you perform well against a divisive fighter.

All these 5ft tall roided up chickens laying nuclear eggs lol

And a lot of the agencys don't check for EPO since it costs extra, so the Commissions don't wanna pay that.

Excellent video, as always. Cracking stuff 👍🏻

I actually do think a lot of them just take whatever their coach tells them to, and they don’t even ask. In pro bodybuilding, you’d be surprised by how many bodybuilders have no idea what or how much they’re injecting, their coach just says do this and that, and they do. Most of these guys are not geniuses. But steroids are definitely everywhere in all competitive sport.

Brilliant video. Very informative & entertaining. Fantastic work 👌

I'm a swimmer (68) and always considered the sport clean in the past, these days I ain't so sure. It was bad enough with East German women getting a free pass (ask Sharon Davies) but these days I do wonder about some of the elite swimmers. This was a great video, as usual full of funnies but this is no laughing matter. Name, shame and ban every drug cheat.

Great video ❤ . The research is mind blowing. Big up propa

Best drugs in boxing video I’ve seen, period. Big Propa fan too but as a ‘casual’ boxing fan I only see headlines and RU-vid algorithm videos. So I could unwittingly presume Ryan was innocent, Fury tested positive for coke and AJ is clear (with that physic). Thanks Propa, clear as day now - all boxing is corrupt and only Turkey can fix it… bosh 🥊

My entire football team in 1994 was on gear supplied by the coaches. I was a huge(size wise) stoner kid on the offensive line that wasnt trusted as a steriod candidate. Years later i ran into a bunch 9f my "teammates"and adked if they all had cancer because they were so puny. They just laughed at my naivete.

one of the coolest intro to a youtube video i've ever seen!!! lmaoo

That's the best solution ive heard to stop people doping where they withhold the fighters purse until the samples come back clean , Propa should start a campaign and hopefully if he can get enough signatures and people on board the promoters and governing bodies take notice

I agree. Aint shit gonna change until a tragedy. And honestly maybe multiple. That Group B type shit.

Regardless of everything unfortunately our favourite sport is corrupt and dirty as hell. A lot of them probably do untraceable ones. I liked the money idea in the end good one propa.

Good stuff Propa, I think this is the best video you've made.

The easiest and best way to fix the problem is to stop testing 🎉

Brilliant video brother respect for this one 👏🏻✊🏻🫡

Loool all of the pros from the Fury's family on juice

Just when people are saying Propa has sold out and gone "corporate", he comes back with this. I do miss the gag-per-minute videos, but this was really interesting. But it also makes me want to stop watching the sport, really. Horrible situation, using drugs in a sport that can involve fatalities. Amazing we could talk about this for over 12 minutes and not mention a heavyweight with the initials E.H....

Another problem is the "suspensions" most of these fighters get like 5-6 months temporary banned which isn't much cause most of these fighters don't even fight that much, they barely fight two times a year.

Great video funny and very serious at the same time.

Bruh! Imagine working hard all the youth, while your friends were making fun, just for the cause of being world champion and suddenly you have positive samples, without taking any drug. You life is over, just because someone paid enough yo set you up! Never a ban should be a life time and never trust any testing agencies! Fighters must have the right to use an choosen laboratory and prove their rights. Even if the court said that you didn't use, that doesn't really help if the case was taking years. Corruption will always find it's ways until someone get in jail for a long time. You asked it, you get it what it is! God bless you 🙏

As always... Propa GR8 content

Great Video Proper ..... Combat sports needs zero tolenrence

Everyone involved in making the fight makes money by having those specific fighters show up in the ring. All of them can make an estimate of how much a 3 year ban let alone a lifetime ban of a fighter would lose them. Going after the fighters purse could help, because it would mean it would still be the same fighter selling the next fight 8 months later.

I absolutely adore this channel. Informative and hilarious in equal measure. Keep it up 👍🏻

I do agree: Fuck the cheaters, in combat sports you can argue to even prosecute them, as you can hurt your opponent. But what to to with people who are really just getting tainted by usual supplements? like really not taking anything.

Nate is the boss

Fr unc this truly is madness

100% absolutely agreed. They are all use it.

Mate we have already had that day and the poor fella we lost was Gerard McClellan who is now a vegetable. I am of course talking about Nigel Benn being off his head on both Steroids and Amphetamines and was never tested after the fight. That is the reason why Gerard couldn't knock him out. "So Like Father Like Son". Chris Eubank Snr knew this and is why he did not want his son to Nigel's.

Shout out to Uncle Propa for bringing up the dangers of boxing. Love the sport but had to get brain surgery in Feb because of it. Had only been training for a year and some change. Now I don’t train it anymore but I still do weightlifting and stuff. Proceed w caution lads.🥊👊🏾💪🏾

Agree with sentiment, but I just don't have the foundational knowledge to say if a test is too loose, too tight, how likely contamination is from something as silly as the tap water in a certain environment. There is so much shade in big industry and it's impossible to pre analyse every molecule you ingest. So always feels a bit wild to say any amount no matter how small, any case no matter how verifiably tainted should result in a blanket sentence that then gets lazily applied to multiple sports and leagues with wildly different periods of times between fights.

I reckon deliberate cheating, steroids included, should be a serious criminal offence. The only reason a boxing (or MMA or whatever else) match is acceptable is because both guys consent to it. You give your informed consent based on both of you following the rules. The other guy breaks that, it is no longer a boxing match. It becomes assault and battery in my opinion

the escrow idea is perfect

It boils down to money. If a boxer brings in tonnes of money then they won't get banned because too many people will be left out of pocket. Its not in anyones benefit to ban a boxer who brings in huge crowds and tonnes of money because they all get a piece of that pie.

“When money speaks, the truth keeps silent.”

I absolutely agree with the escrow idea, can only be enforced by international governments agreeing, which will probably only happen when someone dies in a big fight. Sad but true.

Thanks!

Preach, Propa!

i appreciate the video, and i agree that we absolutely need a world governing body or for the current bodies to have stricter rules, but the sad reality is that none of that will ever happen since boxing is a business. officials, promoters, judges, refs and boxers are all competing to earn as much money as possible, that's their main focus. so if drug taking, cheating, robbing or ducking will help someone make more money they do it and don't care if it ruins the sport. drugs are problematic in other sports too, and there are plenty of athletes who get away with it, but in combat sports (which really should be the strictest due to the danger the fighters are in) if a popular fighter gets caught doping then rather than getting the lifetime ban they deserve they get a ban so short that it doesn't even affect their career, and that's because the people making the decision are the same people making money from those fighters. i love boxing as a sport, but it has a million problems and almost every single one is caused by money, if we just treated it like every other sport then it would be fine. give the fighters a salary, drug test them properly, test their hydration in camp, force them to fight equal competition regularly if they want to compete for the title, strictly regulate the refs and judges, then stick a 1 minute ad in the breaks to pay for it

Alternatively, they could allow all but the most egregious of drugs. Even if the money thing was implemented, there's still gonna be chemical alterations and novel workarounds. Testing costs a lot of money. Allowing everything except the most powerful and dangerous chemicals would mean they can test more regularly and with greater accuracy, it would also mean that all organisations can test for the same chemicals. Side note: having multiple organisations is actually good, but only if they're testing at the same time. Much like a competitive economic market, this means if one organisation isn't up to snuff, it's more likely they'll be caught out and have to improve their processes.

It should be considered fraud and some sort of law equivalent to assault with a deadly weapon as the opponent receives irreversible brain damage.

well said. How depressing.

Now that, is a great idea!!!

Completely agree, withhold payment until tests are cleared. Could also consider assault charges for dirty fighters as it was an unfair advantage?

The money is the issue, sadly it's the money that the industry leaders make and want to make and want to continue making that matters most so punishing the fighters is not on their radar apart from a few exceptions to maintain the pretence that its being monitored and taken seriously. Perception is everything with respect to those with no discernment.

This is why blood work is so important, lots of PED's have a half life of just a few days, no signs of the PED but effects still working.

Money buys different outcomes in boxing it's revolting. No longer a noble art it's all about the money 😢

Don’t give out pursues for big fights until test results come back

Yo, Unc, best vid you’ve made by far. Quality, man.

Спасибо!

You forgot to mention all the fighters who never got caught.

All sports have the same problem, even at the Olympics or the world cup....

'Big bell end Miller' and 'that let's go champ fella' Proper British boxing talk. Bosh! 🥊

Spot on.

As a former (amateur) boxer I was horrified by the ridiculous increase in punching power in the ‘middle’ weight classes in the early 2000’s (including in a series of three fights often referred to as the best of all time). There are huge health implications from increased punch power (and btw both of those fighters I just referred to ended up badly punch drunk for the rest of their lives…). Re heavyweights. Just look at a certain someone (US) who turns into a beanpole between fights…

Can't be worse than I thought, cos I always believed that every single one of them is.

This seemed like a info commercial for the excellent turkey. 🤑🤑🤑

A and B sample are taken at the same time it will always come out with the same result

Doping just like weight cutting is a part of the sport that WILL NEVER be gone Literally ALL of them are doping get over it

"Some Roidhead sneezed on me!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This rly can't be a surprise to anyone? I remember Roy Jones, at the peak of his career, was testing with more than 17x the average levels of Test in his system. Let's face it, boxing is a sport that directly rewards high levels of testosterone and gives fight fans exactly the fights they want to see. There's not going to be a lot of motivation to fix a 'problem' the sport doesn't think exists. The big question is the risk this is putting on fighters but the truth is they're nothing more than playing pieces on a board controlled by big money.

No bosh? I said it in my head 😆

Blaming victor is like blaming your bartender because YOU got a dui

That’s why you’ve gotta give AJ props!

Doesn't SNAC have additives that aren't regulated or even known about?

Nate is correct, EVERYONE is using some form or other of pharma help, it's just at what level, and how good they are at masking it.

Lee Evans had it right, just allow it all and see the heights we can get to. 100m in 4.6 seconds, high jump record set to 9.9 metres. Sounds epic to me

Good suggestion. Pity they won't do it.

It's not just boxing sadly. I have picked up an unfortunate drug problem myself.

How can someone drink a liter of water before bed? You'll be going to the toilet every 20 minutes

Well shit. Garcia just got banned

There either needs to be a single governing body, like Mr Double Excellent wants to do, or one of the ideas you said but they would only be realistically implemented if there was a single body. That, OR they need to just unban everything and allow the fighters to all do whatever they want. With one stipulation...no weight cutting allowed. You fight at your natural weight or go up in weight but never down.

I don’t think they are taking anabolic steroids though which is the heavy stuff , but I think they are taking stuff to give a very slight advantage.

As a result of current drug testing athletes are using WAY less gear than they would without testing The whole point of a professional coach is to manage what little drugs you're able to get away with.

Now the issue is that, yes, all competitors in all sports are probably up to this doping lark but, and here's the difference: if you ride a bike and train on PED's, you ride a bike a bit faster, if you kick a ball, you might be able to kick ball harder, faster and for longer, if you box, you may be able to punch another human in the head harder, faster and for longer. This can, of course, increase the risk of serious injury. Even by the standards of boxing, testing and what is done with the information from testing is all over the place. This will go on until someone gets seriously injured by a boxer who is pumped full of hot sauce. Boxing above all must be so much more careful than other sports and should be setting an example in keeping the sport clean and as safe as possible.

The whole Diaz family is the Edward Snowden of combat sports PED actually ^^'