In my professional experience working with addicts and lived experience, psychiatrists are seeing significant progress and lower rates of relapse by prescribing dexamphetamine/ dextroamphetamine to patients with history of methamphetamine abuse/ addiction because of the similar chemical makeup. Harm reduction works.
levmetamfetamine (the spelling is correct) is the active ingredient in generic inhalers which are still available at Dollar General, Meijer, CVS Pharmacy and Walgreens. Vick's inhalers are now non-medicated. It's levo-methamphetamine, the weaker "left handed" isomer.
The amount of L-meth you’d be exposed to via a nasal inhaler wouldn’t have any effect on you psychologically. It’s just there as a local vasoconstrictor.
Yeah the reaction is just meth driving you wild, I'd punch ciggys and billys to get heart rate up....in addiction just thinking about scoring did the same
l-methamphetamine is barely active as a stimulant. All the activity in that regard is with the dextro isomer. Levomethamphetamine is just there as it is used as a vasoconstrictor the same way that ephedrine isomers are in cold tablets.
As a 50 year old female whose only discovered that I have ADHD, this video is GOLD! Subscribed straight away. Love how you make it so easy to understand.
I’m 60 and have known I have ADHD but haven’t been diagnosed yet. I started on Wellbutrin 4 months ago for depression which has helped with the ADHD a bit but have been curious if Adderall would help even more. This video is very informative, thank you so much.
Decades ago,I took a matched size snort,small amount,went to work 3 days ,ironwork,broke the headboard on my bed with my wife 3 nights,absolute wild man,4th day finally back to normal.
Methamphetamine and amphetamine psychosis is a product of lack of sleep and not due to any inherent properties of the substance. This effect can be seen in patients that deal with insomnia. This should be referred to as sleep deprivation psychosis. The psychosis will subside after regular sleep cycles resume. It takes anywhere from 24 to 72 hours without sleep to start noticing reduced mental function. Cases of insomnia rarely last more than a week but insomnia caused by drug use can go on for weeks or even months with further mental deterioration. People with longer lasting insomnia that is not caused by substance use will also experience similar mental deterioration. There are likely residual effects over time in both cases. This is a case where correlation doesn't equal causation. Failure to acknowledge or study this common link is a disservice to the scientific method.
It is due to the inherent property to release a significant level of DA , NA & Serotonin. These directly impact sleep as the sleep milieu requires at various stages a complete silencing of NA DA & 5HT. Severe insomnia is part of agitation and is a risk factor for psychosis. But Methamphetamine directly increases DA significantly which results in aberrant salience - the salience network is responsible for the genesis of psychosis. This is also the reason why a D2 antagonist treats the psychosis. One can’t simply say that psychosis is due to sleep deprivation only. We see several patients who are sleeping feasibly ok that can have relapse of psychosis post use.
@@PsychiatrySimplifiedexactly, this is also seen lot more in flakka which is like methamphetamine. Since flakka likely overloads the nervous system lot more than meth, the psychosis from flakka is almost always 30mins later with D2 dopaminergic receptors overload. Having said that, you said it right that it's never simple & whether it's flakka or meth, dose and biochemistry play huge role. In addition, it's true that stimulants especially amphetamines usage even in ww2 has insomnia & thus acute sleep deprivation is observed in various people leading to cognitive decline but this too is dependent upon stress and environmental issues. Thus no wonder that a war like situation coupled with amphetamines might lead to higher psychosis rate but this alone doesn't mean that amphetamines alone lead to psychosis yet amphetamines (especially unregulated street ones) may also trigger psychosis in compactible individuals especially those with schizophrenia/bipolar history or worse cause perception distortion syndromes.
@@PsychiatrySimplifiedi dont want to convolute things but how does that neurochemistry relate to psychosis purely bor of sleep deprivation - point is i think you and OP are correct - further and concerningly, it's prob sone rough overlapping negative feedback loops ie. drug induced psychosis as you suggest - result is inability to sleep - skeep deprivstion induced psychosis - fear response etc making it harder to sleep - SD pyschosis - take more drugs to stay awake - DI psychosis Its not about right and wrong answers - its about both are correct but partial, heres how they fit and here is more to add to the infinite picture Integral Medicine is putting these things together - Ken wilber has the underlying model and it can be apllied to all fields and then integrate those also
I don't agree with that. I am sorry but through personal experience, I have seen those people that have slept and as soon as they intake the drug they immediately start seeing and hearing things that are not there. I do agree there are those that do start having the effects once they have lost many hours of sleep. Someone without drug use can see and hear things after so many hours of no sleep. However, there are the ones that have them from intake.
its seems that the addition of a methly group to the amphetamine molecule effectively doubles the potency, this is very similar to the what happens with the methylation of morphine to heroin where the addition of the methly group effectively doubles the potency of morphine.
Yep. The Bayer pharmaceutical company used to love adding acetyl groups to stuff. Aspirin is salicylic acid with acetyl groups added. They claimed that this acetyl group made morphine much less addictive, lol
My dad had a meth addiction for 20+ years. My mom too. When I was 12 I developed an addiction to amphetamine adderall pills. I didn’t even know what it was or that they were even related until 2 more years in and than finally quitting at 16.
My son was 5 years old when they started giving him those sort of pills I was afraid to take them off of them because I was being watched by CPS because their mother screwed up not cuz I did.. they lived with me a doctor who did not know my son saw him for 1 hour.. well I don't do drugs but one time I know its speed and I went to a Ozzfest I took one of those pills... well on the way we went to my friend's house we were smoking weed and drinking and we got there right before Ozzy came on and I was still so wide awake even after I went home at 3:00 in the morning I still couldn't sleep and they were years old then cuz I took him off of them and I can't even take them ever they are 20 years old I took one a couple summers ago I was awake for a whole day so if it does that to an adult what does it do to your child?? And then later in life Daniel Junior got Adderall back then he started doing crystal meth and I don't think he died from that I think it was the drug dealer but I will never know cuz nobody cared at the Batavia New York Police Department they said they assume he died from drugs.... that's what these drugs can do for your kids and it's not just me my friends kids we're on that kind of medicine and they started going off when they took them off at the age of 18 doing drugs I think it makes you an addict.. I already know I'm an addict but I don't do drugs and when I did the rock it was for one day and I hated myself... and unlike what they tell you it's not exactly wonderful for your sex life either if you're a guy anyway I don't know about women?? If a kid goes in and they're hyperactive or something they get them addicted to this s*** that's where it is f****** garbage excuse my French but I freaking don't like what it did to my son he's gone forever and I hate myself for not being able to save him everyday I called him you got to stop doing that you're going to die and he did.. I have one leg now I called my son Jimmy I said I haven't heard from Daniel can you go check on him while he was dead that's what these drugs can do for you and I'm thinking the Cymbalta to make me happy and the Seroquel to make me sleep and the Vicodin is in helping me either I think cannabis helps me more and gummy bears 50 mg CBD but they don't want you to know it can help people they want you on the f***** up drugs.. I'm 62 years old I drank for 20 years wasted my life away and now I have nothing really and I quit drinking a lot when I was 38 and had children.... well it keeps me from drinking to know I can drink someday but I get in trouble so I Drink Alone just like George Thorogood LOL there's a song I Drink Alone cuz I can only stand to be by myself but the reason I wrote this if it helps anyone it is good...
i can relate to that... be careful out there it's a mad world... idk how old you are now, but that shit leave a trail... it can be hard not to go back in the trail when lost...
"If I found this video useful"?? Sir I got angry at the end of the video because it was the end and I was enjoying the vivid information you were clarifying
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.sporessss I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I worked as a pharmacy tech back in the early 1980s, when I would work a double shift I would take dexedrine .it was very mild and working in a pharmacy I would simply ask the pharmacist (who would take them himself) it is a schedule 2 controlled substance. It was and still is widely used by nurses, technicians etc.. it is really helpful and nobody makes a big deal about it,
Most people smoke meth, which results in a very rapid onset. Kind of like how crack is more addictive than cocaine, the time to peak blood concentration is what’s responsible for the “rush.”
@@Sniperboy5551 i know its very addictive im glad its not around as much were i live. i instantly liked it smoked a couple of times but im amphetaminefree now thank God
I have ADHD and they gave me amphetamines. I didn’t realize what it was, they just called it Adderall. So naive as I was, I was shocked when I tested positive on a drug test. As soon as I realized what it was I stopped taking it and have been scared to treat it with Amphetamines. I’m terrified of addiction. I especially saw a quick resistance to Vyvanse which actually worked really well for me at first. I also tried Strattera but had very odd side effects and bupropion I used for a bit but hated the shakiness. Finally decided to live with the ADHD.
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I wonder how many of the doctors, chemists or psychiatrists have actually tried both of these drugs. As someone that has taken both on several different occasions, I can tell you that there are no noticeable distinctions between the two highs. They're identical. The only real difference that I may have noticed was that methamphetamine felt a bit dirtier or not as pure as the Adderall or generic brand which was simply labeled as "Amphetamine".
you're not really going to FEEL a difference. most stimulants, still give the "same high" really when it comes down to it. it's like cocaine and meth. they're pretty similar, meth just last much longer and is much cheaper
@@dxxdmxn1010 I disagree. I've done them all including bath salts and I definitely felt differences between them. Although, yes they're all stimulants but they still had slight differences. Crack was a short but powerful rush. Powder cocaine, depending on the quality was shorter acting and less intense. Meth, again depending on purity is intense and LONG lasting but comes with more paranoia and makes the thought of eating nauseating and leaves you feeling very unclean and contaminated. Adderall always gave the same feeling as meth. It took longer to take effect but then it was the same long lasting high that made eating and sleeping impossible. It still left me feeling dirty but maybe the thought of it being "cleaner" was just in my head because I knew it came from a lab rather than some Mexican's bathtub lol
ive done caffine, ritalin, coke, meth, and adderall. basically in my mind ritalin is like super strong caffine or like a shitty coke buzz imo. meth and addy r super simular from what i remember, 2 differences were that meth had more of a rush and horrible psychosis after 8 hours@@dxxdmxn1010
I’ve also taken both on several different occasions and I have to disagree. I do have pretty severe adhd, but I have never experienced a meth level euphoria on adderall.
Methamphetamine is almost like a crack cocaine high that lasts 16+ hours and also meth releases slightly more dopamine than crack cocaine but not by much depending on quality of each drug that is. The dopamine comparison is very close but meth would still be more dominant than the crack.
@@silvertone1 you have a very good point but unfortunately the social climate in the country I live in means nearly all psychosis turns into paranoia and panic
@@silvertone1that's psychosis dude I used to take all kinds of drugs and I took mdma for awhile and heard voices for awhile when my brain would shut down for sleep, it ended up going away after a year or so, was on herion and every other drug for 15 years been clean like 12 years.
Used to love taking Ecstasy in the late 80s early 90s. We’d get into a club, neck a pill. Then snort half a pill. Then chase a quarter. By the time the chase was over, you’d have come up on the nose and same again for the drop. We were having it from the minute the club opened. Great times dancing all night. I miss Rage every Thursday to this day
One of my best friend snored amphetamine for years. The lack of sleep, often for days (infront of the PC), unfortunately unlocked schizophrenia. He started repeating same phrases over and over again.. can't even start work now cause of low self esteem. life ruined
I've been on adderall since I was 11, this medication helps me so much in my everyday life. I got with someone who liked to abuse it then I made the bad choice if abusing it too. Long story short I've healed and I'm no longer taking them the wrong way anymore. One thing that helped me heal was getting put on presidone. When I was on it for 2 weeks I didn't feel the need to take my adhd medicine like that. It was the reset my body needed. Sharing this info to hopefully help someone else who's struggling to fix their nasal route problem. Also I'm sure there's some some doctors and psychologist on here that read this feed. Please look into this. Maybe it could help others scared to speak up, but want to make the change. ❤
@@sn1000k Whoa! Hold on a second! You’re saying the stories my grandfather told about him being so old, he had to ride a dragon to sorcerer’s school are untrue…?!?
One last thing, there are plenty of people who do not become psychotic on crystal meth. Everyone I knew who did crystal meth, back when I did it, had zero psychosis using it. I did form psychosis while using crystal meth, at one point, as a result of staying up too late. Then, I stopped staying up too late and didn't experience any psychosis on the drug after getting proper sleep. Someone I used with who knew Chemistry and was a pharmacy technician, and used crystal meth for over a decade without experiencing any psychosis, told me I needed to get proper sleep if I was to use crystal meth with him. We took breaks, where we would not use for 3 days and then use again. People need to learn harm reduction when using any drug, including crystal meth. Crystal Meth, for most people, will not be a problem if people get proper sleep, eat well, take care of their hygiene, and don't use too much. All of that is possible to do while using crystal meth, and if people do that then they won't be discovered for their meth use. You can only tell if someone is using crystal meth if that person stays up too late, does way too much of it, and neglects to take care of their personal health. That is a small minority of crystal meth users. I only saw one person in my life, back when I used crystal meth, who fit the popular stereotype. You are not helping people by pushing misinformation. I have studied drugs, studied addiction, and I have also the experience of doing these drugs and being around people doing these drugs to know better. You are smart enough to know this, or you are not educated on this topic; which, either way, makes you part of the problem.
Would appreciate more information on the effects of amphetamines on the cardiovascular & pulmonary system. I mean, interesting to learn about the chemical differences between meth and say Adderall, but I think most YT viewers aren’t methamphetamine addicts. More like ADHD users of prescribed stimulants who have concerns & questions about their efficacy, safety, dosage, long-term use & use among different age groups.
I’ve done a video on dexamphetamine vs methylphenidate if that helps. Overall they are safe in the correct doses, and when appropriately prescribed. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w44BXLATt5w.htmlsi=eiKCl_txxPWLj-Sq
Thank you so much for covering this topic. As someone who was diagnosed only a few years ago with quite significantly severe ADHD, I'm so fed up with the public's comments such as "ADHD meds are basically meth", your factual explanation will help with this stigma and untruth. I can say first hand my ADHD meds DO NOT cause me any type of euphoria, and have solved my insomnia. I take dexamphetamine 3 x per day and am prone to forgetting to take it, so use a timer and pill counter. Name me an "addict" who forgets to take their drug of choice. I hope your video reaches a lot of people.
yet people in the comments spouting bs like they clearly didn't watch a second of it lol. "i snorted 3 adderals a day in high school and i can tell you that adhd drugs are totally meth" 🤦♀️🙄
If anything this video showed that the main differences are dose and routes of administration... If you compared an oral extended release formulation of methamphetamine at an equivalent dose to oral extended release amphetamine, they would likely be very similar. There are of course less studies on meth because it's illegal.
I've never understood why people say it takes effect within 5 minutes or something because the effects are almost instantaneous when smoked or injected 💉 in my experience
So here we are largely comparing therapeutic doses of orally administered amphetamine sulphate to excessive, recreational, vaporized doses of n-methylamphetamine hcl (enantiomers aside). Is this a fair comparison?
It was a commonly asked question in comments in the other videos. Also- Desoxyn oral Methamphetamine is prescribed in ADHD in US. Note oral amphetamine when misused can also lead to a similar picture albeit the speed of action and levels are not as high.
@@PsychiatrySimplified Apologies if this comment was interpreted as hostile, and props to you for even making mention of these distinctions. The overwhelming majority of available literature regarding (meth)amphetamine toxicity vs therapeutic efficacy is rife with biased narrative, as I'm sure you are aware. But while I understand it is a delicate matter addressing this information to a general audience, I have witnessed far more harm than good come of perpetuating the narrative that adderall=good, meth=bad
@@myristicinman4566 Agree - And no I didn't think of it as rude. It was a fair comment. Adderall misused o inappropriately prescribed can have detrimental consequences as well.
this is an honest description ive abused both.....they really both screwed me up i want so bad to go back to my time and brain before amphetamine and sometimes meth(crystal)
on 4:12 the subtitles say "biophilic" but i think that is supposed to be "lipophillic". Thank you very much for the subtites! English is not my first language and i appreciate it lots!
@user-bt2su4ob7s not anymore now you get a euphoric rush for about 20 minutes then your just wired for 24 hours and uncomfortable. It used to be 24 hours of rolling balls feeling amazing, now Mexicans cook it terribly
As a current meth addict, one part of this video stuck out for me, and that was when you said that methamphetamine caused a ~2000% increase in dopamine transmission. Something that users will all talk about that was not mentioned here or in other videos that I have watched is that both for Heroin and Methamphetamine the very first significant dosage of either drug is unlike any other dose that follows. The intensity and duration of the first significant dose *_CANNOT_* be understated or ignored. It is transformative. Much like the graphic you used with the red liquid almost filling up the human body outline (seen @ 2:38), the first use feels like this, but imagine that instead of red liquid, you are being filled with an absolutely euphoric feeling of joy and happiness. Every fiber of your being is just buzzing, and literally looking at your own hand seems amazing beyond belief. Sex is a joke compared to that feeling, and that is how/why most people get hooked as long term addicts. After that high, your thought is that all the other times you use meth will be like that, (because you'd never done it before) but in reality you only feel, at most, 20% of that same degree of high after that first use, no matter how long of a break you take. This used to be called "Chasing the Dragon" ( the dragon being the first dose high), and as old of an idea as it is, it's worth understanding that it is easily one of the most significant factors that causes people to continue usage after a first dose. If my first dose of heroin or meth had felt like my 3rd or 4th use, then I would have had no problem at all in keeping myself from continuing usage, because I've always had a strong sense of self-discipline and self control, but those first doses just break you. Nothing can prepare you for what I can only imagine is decades of built up, reserve dopamine that is just continuously released like a firehose into your system for hours on end.
Brilliant description! In my next video on this topic I will be covering this ‘chasing the dragon’ from a neurobiological perspective. You describe it really well!
I used to do meth, and holy sheet was is absolutely insane the first time I did it. I got a big fat clear crystal in Vegas for my first time, probably came from a superlab in Mexico. It really is unbelievable just how high you get… It’s scary when you’re still out of your mind high after 6 hours, and your buddy tells you that you still have a few more hours to go. 🫥 I have also been clinically diagnosed with ADHD a few times starting at childhood. Real ADHD, where it can be proven by brain scans and neurological mapping. I can tell you as a matter of fact that the two (methyl-amphetamine and the other amphetamine salts in adderall) are definitely different. I can’t take 20mg of adderall without feeling awful, whereas with meth I could smoke a pipe full and be super euphoric. Pisses me off when someone says they’re the same exact thing. Hopefully you can eventually quit the meth though. It’s fun for a bit, but it ain’t helping you make money… I don’t have access to a big portion of my memory now because of it. What a waste of potential…. 😞
One question from a user of... I thought amphetamine.... The time until it's kicking in..... I prefer to put it into coffee.... And I feel the rushing through my venes after some seconds, it take 1-2 minutes to have the full effect (naturally it's pushing a lot more when I m getting in action by having higher pulse rate by working or cycling for example) but the time it's kicking in by only sitting with a coffee is much faster, than in your explanation........ How is this possible, or what substance could be mixed into speed to have such a fast effect from... (At the end of the day is the question.. :.. what the hell is sold to me ....???).. Do you have an idea maybe??? Thank you!!
Thanks for the concise overview doc. I’m an older guy and finding lectures that can update my knowledge without having to go back to school is really helpful!
I'm 47 amd have always suffered from hayfever. I remember telling the doctor as a teenager the Vicks inhalers worked really well, but were hard to give up/get off. To me they seemed addictive at the time.
@PsychiatrySimplified I didnt get high off it, but I did only use it in the recommended quantities I.e. 1 or 2 puffs per nostril. I just remember my nasal passages just seemed to close up worse than before when I stopped using it and I felt like I needed to take more nasal spray more often, so I stopped using it.
I’m 55 and I’ve been prescribed Adderall for about 17 years now. When I was in my early 20s, I was a big meth head. It was really unhealthy. I stopped for around 15 years before I went to my psychiatrist. When I started on Adderall, I kept feeling like I wanted to fall asleep during the day. I had good concentration, better than when I wasn’t medicated. My doctor prescribed what I now see as a whopping 150 mg per day. It was predictably uncomfortable. Currently, I’m down to 60 mg per day. I still get sleepy at times, so more isn’t better. I always take it with food because I don’t enjoy the “rush“. I get more of a kick from a cup of coffee. I can concentrate without hyperfocus. yet I’m more curious about life in the world. That’s what I do it for.
THE only side effect known to check your theory would be higher test scores!!!! Not lower, Just remember they do not let you compete in sporting events while on these substances for a reason & we give them to airplane pilots befor letting a single one go into the air ( Military ) , everyone is dosed! It is a functioning performance enhancer reaction times , & ability to remain focused & remember to execute your training in every & all circumstances. Let RAM Function be. I am RAM. I have been on Amphetamines so long since I was a Small Child I feel a thousand years old if a Day & I Am beginning TO MATURE. People Are Too Dream & Live & Love . Children are to Have newness of Life , God is Good . I choose TO serve Becasue THE light inside us I serve is Christ Jesus THE Lord .
Could you make a video around harm reduction for methamphetamine. Because realistically speaking while these videos are concerning they don't help people like myself with quitting the drug because of the difficulty giving up the addiction. So approaching the point from a more realistic point of view it would help to know what someone using could do to counteract the oxiditive stress and harmful effects. For example taking a specific supplement or drug that may have neuroprotective effects against methamphetamine or suggesting something that could serve as an anti-oxident.
Yes I understand. Perhaps todays video release will help. Should be released in a few hours . I understand where you are coming from - the harm reduction aspects. Basic principles would include ensuring adequate sleep ( treating with meds if needed ) , diet and supplements such as NAC show benefit in reducing oxidative stress but don’t necessarily address the actual craving in mETH use. Ps not advice
@@PsychiatrySimplified Thank you. Personally I load up on anti oxidents and take propranalol which according to Pubmed states that " The β-adrenoceptor antagonist, propranolol, is one of the few that has been reported to prevent METH-induced hyperthermia in laboratory mice". There have been times when I've overdosed on meth and found that valium helps with mucle rigidity and reduce hyperthermia and weirdly enough vitamin c has also been reported to reverse the effects specifically to dexamphetamine
There are a couple studies that show that clinical levels of Adderall use (20 to 30mg) lead to a loss of dopamine in the corpus striatum and perhaps elsewhere, as much as 50% after as short as 6 weeks of daily use. Is it possible that this level of Adderall causing lasting brain damage? I have actively avoided continuous use of any stimulant because of this kind of risk.
Worst that happens with Methylphenidate is an increase in reuptake transporters. That will probably reverse over time. It's pretty safe in comparison to Adderall I think. Oddly enough, I wonder if meth is safer because it's so much more powerful at low doses prescribed?
Thank you for an exellent video with facts nonstop! Recently a friend and I was discussing how weird it is that MDMA, that is made from Methamphetamine is so risky in Serotonin depleation. I didn't know Methamphetamine itself was like that. But what is it that makes it this way compared to Amphetamine? Is it that S-Amphetamine that is responsible for this too? How? I didn't know there were Isomers and different types of these Amphetamines earlier. I only knew that about Ketamin. Does most subtances have this? I just discovered your channel and will look through your videos. Looking forward to future videos!
Methamphetamine has weak effects on serotonin, at least compared to MDMA. MDMA has the meth chemical scaffold, but it’s much, much more focused on serotonin. Long-term meth use in high doses can deplete serotonin, but using MDMA once can leave you with barely any serotonin for days. It all comes down to frequency of use, really. Amphetamine itself has negligible effects on serotonin.
@Sniperboy5551 Meth compared to amphetamine has pretty profound effects on serotonin, it contributes a bunch to the high. But yeah still not nearly as much as mdma
@@PsychiatrySimplified mdma and the mesephetamines witch are often mixed with mdma in pills and can kill easyly naïve consummers. And why people should use only pure mdma rather than pills.
Thank you so much that is the most - actually the only - usefully detailed information on adhd medication rather than just the same ol basic gumph. I have found anywhere, being both detailed and clearly explained.
Amphetamine (as a racemic mix of D and L stereoisomers) is a mainstay of therapy for ADHD, as described in this video and is also essential for treating those suffering from type 1 or type 2 narcolepsy.
So the pharmaceutical Dex amphetamine also contains levo-amphetamine? I thought that this is the street amphetamine mixture. Speed. Which gives a stronger high than just Dextro amphetamine by itself.
@@nievelsteinmusic612 dextro is the only isomer that gives a good high, levo is basically cut, or equivalent to cut or filler material. So 100% dextro is the best, it's what a user would want
As an adult “recently” diagnosed with ADD, I really appreciate this video. Have you thought about a video on the effects and use of amphetamines for asthma? Creepy crawlies are not my thing, but my roommate has asthma and was prescribed some pretty sketchy stuff back in the day. He actually used “speed” to control his asthma when he didn’t have health insurance. I don’t know what the difference is between speed and meth, but I am curious if you could explain it.
@@PsychiatrySimplified You are not only more than welcome sir - but I was further impressed by your video when you chose to begin your story using the analogy of Levomethamphetamine in OTC products… I think more people should be aware of these fascinating quirks of chemistry, don’t you? ;)
The medicated version of Vicks Inhalers in the U.S. still contains 50 mg of levoamphetamine per inhaler. They use the obscure spelling "levmetamfetamine" to keep it on the down low. It's not a very desirable substance recreationally, otherwise they wouldn't still be selling it.
Nicely done. Would enjoy one with their "trippy older brothers" 3-4, methylenedioxyamphetamine(MDA) & 3-4, methylenedioxymethamphetamine(MDMA). What a difference an indole ring makes. Clinically, their effects are just this side of miraculous. And here in Oakland, mushrooms🍄 are legal. (Hell, the speed might as well be, almost impossible to catch a drug felony in CA, illegal white powders)😎🤓 The numbers were fascinating.
Sharing my own personal experiences here. I do not have ADHD. I do have other mental disorders that were triggered by past drug usage & childhood trauma. My body does not respond well to heavy stimulants. I experienced psychosis with past meth abuse & I've also experienced psychosis & extreme anxiety from Adderall that was prescribed to me. I was misdiagnosed. My body just doesn't like what I would call extreme stimulants. I can handle a few cups of coffee. Beyond 2 cups I have issues.
I love speed (amphetamine (sulfate)) super versatile drug if you know your way around it. Unfortunately there's no other way to learn it than through your own experience with addiction, but still.
The molecules shown at 1:49, labelled S-methamphetamine and R-methamphetamine are not mirror images of each other, let alone having any resemblance to actual methamphetamine.
Dexedrine: This is where dexys midnight runners got their name from. Come on Eileen. Sold as diet pills in the 80's. 6 at once and you partied all weekend.
Have there been any studies that look at the long term effects from stimulant medications on the cardiac system? Would love to hear your thoughts on if medications like Adderal and Ritalin are harmful from a cardiac perspective when they are taken as prescribed for conditions such as ADHD. As always love the videos.
“Although stimulants can increase systemic blood pressure and heart rate, no significant associations were found between their use and serious cardiovascular events. Concerns regarding QT effects and attendant sudden cardiac death risks deter clinicians from initiating much-needed ADHD medications in patients with heart disease. This overly cautious approach is potentially depriving low-risk individuals from significant benefits associated with timely ADHD drug treatment” - www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2022.1020961/full
The vicks inhaler still does have the l-isomer ss the main ingredient to reduce a runy nose Levmetamfetamine i believe is listed on the side of each. Its a good and long acting decongestsnt, and reduces inflammation.
I know one thing. Amphetamine makes me feel like I’m in a drug. But methamphetamine makes me feel normal, like this is how is should feel all the time. It’s also nearly impossible to get an alcohol hangover when using both versions.
This was an awesome video! The first many times I snorted methamphetamine, it was in combination with drinking lot of alcohol, so it wasn’t really until I tried it without drinking alcohol that I fully experienced what it could do for me… Since then, I’ve taken A LOT of it! It made me calm, far less aggressive, and more capable of being "present", less clumsy, better at conversations, and also at studying. But it also often ended in taking far more I needed to achieve the benefit, so long periods without sleep, long periods where I made a living of selling it and similar substances, also meant I tended to end up at Monday night parties that had started on a Wednesday…. I also used it a lot while I was in the Army, and it’s freaking wild that I never got caught! The few times I’ve been tested, in sports and in the Army, was always when I hadn’t taken any for a while! Two of the tests in the Army I got told they wanted to test me because I seemed more aggressive, easily distracted, had problems staying on topic when talking, had failed some of my responsibilities, made mistakes I didn’t usually make, forgot things more often than usual, would interrupt/speak out of turn also when addressing people above my rank, I had gotten a couple of stupid traffic tickets by the Military Police (and they had noted my behavior was "suspicious"), and at times they felt I seemed almost erratic…. But both times, it was several weeks since I had taken anything. Long after I left the Army and around a year after I had left "the substance use environment" behind, I had an appointment with a Psychiatrist! I had already been diagnosed with PTSD when I left the Army, and Depression shortly after that! But after a few consultations, he picked a book on the shelf, told me to listen carefully and tell me if anything of what he read out loud sounded familiar - and apparently he had a book that was written about me with the title ADHD! This was in the 00's and I was in my 30's - and he started me up on Ritalin and later on he combined it with Strattera. What a difference that made - it made it much easier for me to study and get an education within the health and healthcare sector. But after years on medicine and psychoeducation, which helped a lot on some of my issues, it was like other symptoms got stronger and then I met this woman who knew a lot about ASD in adults and some of her friends had a lot of insight into this as well - and after having been asked a couple of times about how long ago I had been diagnosed with ASD and telling them that I didn’t have ASD, and on both occasions they had just looked confused at me, and one of them had asked me "are you absolutely sure?", and with the other she had just smiled and then said "you’re definitely autist"! So, I once again ended up at a Psychiatrist, for new evaluation! And it turned out that I have ASD as well - so with the BPH (I probably got from taking the Strattera), and various comorbidities, I got more than enough letters to sustain myself on Alphabet Soup in case SHTF! But my last Psychiatrist replaced my Ritalin and Strattera with Attentin, Aduvanz/Elvanse, and Intuniv! I get fairly high doses, but Blood Tests has shown that the biological half-life (or is it the plasma half-life they measure?), is pretty fast - the same goes for the Duloxetin I take as well, so I wonder if it’s due to the same mechanisms - anyone knows anything about that? I also got very high Dosis of Ritalin when I was on that - so maybe I just burn through it faster? Can this be due to the huge amount of methamphetamine I used to take when I was younger? I’m also a big bastard, Scandinavian, the Thor type you see in God of War Ragnarok, but just more blond, can any of these factors play a role in why I need higher doses for it to have the needed effect? Adderall isn’t approved in my country, but I can’t help wonder if the mix of amphetamine salts in Adderall works better than the combination I get from dexamphetamine and lisdexamphetamine - anyone know anything about that?
Thanks for sharing your interesting story. There is evidence that individuals with substance use especially Meth need higher doses of stimulants - this is mainly due to the changes in dopaminergic pathways with previous use. While IR and XR can be combined it’s important to recognise the targets being treated . Of cognition and activity are targets then before increasing doses it’s important to look at sleep and arousal - addressing this becomes important as it allows for the doses of others to remain lower and can be more effective . Something to look at.
As a 40 year taker of Methamphetamine (Narcolepsy/catalepsy), I would never even consider taking more than 20 Mg in a single day. In me, a dose of 10-15 Mg lasts a good 18 hours. The one time I took 20, I had the jitters so bad, I couldn't function, much less understand how anyone would want to feel like that. Related, because I don't take enough for the euphoric effect to kick in, I have never become addicted to it. I stop from time to time to make sure I am not. Now, due to US regulators, the prescription form has been unavailable, and as such I have had to do without for nearly a year now. The result has been the loss of about two hours of productive time for work each day. Fortunately, I have an understanding boss. It will be interesting to see if I get the same relief once I start taking it again.
The over the counter inhaler Benedrex is still sold OTC and it contains amphetamines. It is sold at drug stores and supermarkets. They add Menthol to it, so it is disgusting, if not impossible, to try and consume.
Bexedrex - containing propylhexedrine not available in Australia and many other countries - but available in US. You are correct there is significant misuse
Thanks for all of this valuable information. I am an addiction peer councilor. Will subscribe. The more knowledge, the better in dealing with addiction.
this is the only proper explaination i have found of why the two drugs are not the same. before watching this video, i thought they were basically identicle because of the similarities in their pharmacology. it explains why desoxyn is rarely prescribed in comparison to the typical amphetamines
I never found methamphetamine to be euphoric. MDMA is euphoric. The only thing that made it addictive to me was crash avoidance. Knowing that when you stop taking it you were going to be asleep for a couple of days drives one to keep using.
Another use for amphetamines is DEPRESSION. If used properly under clinical supervision to treat unipolar depression it can be very effective. They used to use amphetamines to treat depression before the advent of antidepressants as we know them today
Theres this really interesting anecdote about a Russian WW2 soldier accidentally ate the entire units supply of Methamphetamine. He was in combat and spent most of the time not really knowing what he was doing. He lived to tell the tale. I think even won a couple medals during the incident
Hi! I wouldn’t recommend combining the two. Adderall contains amphetamine salts directly while Vyvanse uses lisdexamfetamine as a “prodrug,” which gets converted into an active form in the body before it has any effects. Adderall will start taking effect faster because it gets metabolized in the stomach. Vyvanse starts taking effect in your intestines. They are both amphetamines. Just different formulations. Vyvanse is typically “smoother” and lasts longer than adderall. I have taken both for adhd. Anyway talk to your doctor. Don’t take both at the same time because are essentially two sides of the same coin. I can’t imagine any doctor advising you to take both at once. Good luck.
@@ChardeeMacdennis339 I get both dexamphetamine and lisdexamphetamine, and I know others who get both as well - it works perfect together! The dexamphetamine acts faster, but also have a faster half-life, the lisdexamphetamine has a more prolonged effect, but it still burns out so to get the best coverage, I get booth in the early morning, around 0530, and at 1200 I get half the dose of Lisdexamphetamine I got in the morning, and around 1430-1500 I get dexamphetamine again, half the dose I got in the morning. I used to get something similar when I was on Ritalin/Ritalin Uno. And I get fairly high doses in the morning, but it helps me wake up and get the day started! If I only got the Lisdexamphetamine, I would have a very hard time getting up in the morning! I often joke about how my Monster Energy Drink and my Pills are my substitute Coffe! (I don’t like coffe, and as a kid I’ve always been told that when I grew up and became an adult I would learn to love it - so Im a "kid" in my mid fifties….)
@@ChardeeMacdennis339It's been almost ten years since I was prescribed Vyvanse so there may have been new research since then, but when Vyvanse first came out, I was prescribed it. I had been taking only Adderall up to that point, but even with the Vyvanse, I still took Adderall to complement it if I felt the vyvanse was wearing off. I had three more doctors continuing the same prescription until 2013 and i never heard any mention of it being a harmful combination.
A few days ago I was told my ex is now taking not amphetamine but methamphetamine, so I checked out this video. I'm really glad I managed to leave that relationship soon enough.
I've tried amphetamine(adderall) and i ultimately switched back to methylphenidate(Ritalin) because I found that adderall had too much of a synthetic feeling and it was uncomfortable. Ritalin feels more like boost simular to caffeine but with more euphoria. I've read rhat methylphenidate is actually similar to how cocaine acts in the brain. Now I take the long acting version(Concerta) and it actually helps a lot with feelings of boredom and depression. It seems to be more effective for depression than antidepressants, which have never really done much besides blunt my emotions.
Amphetamines have a greater dopamine release than methylphenidate. They also release serotonin which MPH doesn’t . Overall amphetamine can be more activating than MPH for many individuals. Considering LA agents is beneficial as it mimics the tonic release of Dopamine rather than the phasic bursts which is not adaptive .
Look into Focalin. Also known as dex-methylphenidate it also is somewhat “smoother” than the jittery adderall and better appetite than on adderall and very similar to Ritalin
Meth feels smoother than Adderall at least for me but many seem to agree, less rigidness it's generally more of an euphoric feeling. Ritalin has an amazing rush and high but the most disgusting comedown I've experienced from any other stim, I'd pick a meth or even mdma comedown over a strong Ritalin crash anyday, everyone's different though
Well, in term of recreational use, ive heard a lot of people say theres practically no difference if take orally (in term of feeling, duration is longer ofc). There also seems to be quite more interesting differences in stereo isomers than if methylated or not.....
There is a difference Drinking it in a cup of coffee doesn't give you much of a rush. Snorting gives you a rush but not very intense. Smoking it instead gives you a really good intense rush. Running it gives you an extremely intense rush . The rush can vary in intensity and they last pretty much the same amount of time. And the overall high ends up about the same. And length of time. The only real difference is the intensity of the rush.
This is my personal extension. Let's be a recreational shooter. When I use amphetamines, the party ends and I go home. I used methamphetamine powder once and that was the first and last time. Too stimulating is a warning sign. As it does not penetrate alcohol, but stimulants such as XTC, mda/mdma or ampheramines. Let's use it as a means of recreation. If something has too much kick, don't use it again. Today I am almost 40 years old and I have no problem with using it. But definitely don't touch any crystals!
The first time is amazing that’s why it’s so popular meth heads aren’t all bad people it’s really hard tu qut the come down is unbeatable when the cure is more meth you feel 1000x better it’s sad 11:45
@@leslielearnorth i realy cant understand that at all it's probably due to some other drug/drugs they're taking or that they dont drink at all and become severely dehydrated and that's why they are feeling so bad on the comedown being dehydrated probably feels pretty shitty if you let it go to far. I use meth almost evryday but that is the only drug i use exept for steroids if you can call that a drug but that's all i dont ever take anything to sleep or smoke weed even alcohol is over 5 years since i last drank alcohol and i never ever get this bad comedowns on meth like i always enjoy the whole ride hell i would even take meth still if i was only gonna get the comedown part of the high like when im on my comedowns im always just playing some game having fun then when i get to the point where now i can go to sleep if i want to i usually force my self to stay awake for a few more houers couse im having so much fun playing games before i just eventually just fall asleep while still playing that's pretty much how 99% of my comedowns from meth ends up playìng out like how is that something to complain about. Meth comedowns is still a better high/state to be in than being sober drunk or on cocaine
….. Um, my sister had 14,000 NG/ML of methamphetamine in her system…. & 120 NG/ML of amphetamine. That is what was stated on my sisters toxicology report. My sister is now dead. My understanding is that once in the bloodstream, the amphetamine metabolizes the methamphetmine (? Is that correct Dr?) which causes the ng/ml of methamphetamine in the blood to gradually decrease (?) & the level of amphetamine to increase (?) I may be wrong about this. But since my sister died I’ve even trying to research & learn all I can about toxicity levels - but I’m having the hardest time getting a ballpark estimate (X) of how much meth ingested (via each individual route) is going to metabolize to (X) ng/ml (taking into account things like weight of person, a& things of that nature. But when it comes to this topic - this is where I struggle. actually the one I’m having the most difficulty with. (Reading up on autopsies, police death scene protocols, blood coagulation, etc.) & medical every aspect of her death along with
Thanks for the comparison. I've been prescribed Amphetamines for over 30 years for a few different reasons. Although, It seems to work slightly different for me than the average person. While people claim to get "euphoria" even from Amphetamines, I do not. I only remember "feeling" anything the first few times long ago but, wouldn't call it euphoric. Being that I've only ever taken it orally might be the reason for that. At this point, the dosage I take daily is considered fairly high. I've never had Methamphetamine and never will so, I can't personally compare the two.
Orally administered free-base d-Amphetamine is absorbed in seconds. Probably because of the increased lipophilicity of the uncharged molecule. It is somewhat caustic for the same reason.
I like that this guy looks like he hasn’t slept in 3 days, eyes wide as can be, and that haven’t shaved because of been binging on phetamines for the past 3 days… I like it because it means this guy does his homework, and you can trust he knows what he’s saying. 😹
You basically made a new motor from scratch with only some size dimensions borrowed from the original starter. This is very impressive and you did a great job, but the title is a bit misleading since the starter wasn’t converted.
My comment posted on the wrong video. Sorry about that. I was typing it at the end of the previous video I was watching and You tube went to the next video and apparently posted the comment here.
We have Vick’s inhalers with levmethamphetamine in the us still they just changed the spelling to levmetamfetamin which was somehow enough to fool everyone lol although you can’t use it like dextromethamphetamine so I don’t understand why it ever even mattered
@@Krisjoverovovejovovichtskilevo is not there to make it work better.....it's the active ingredient, levo is a good decongestant. But it's not good for a high.
Medicated over-the-counter inhalers STILL contain lev-meth in the US. That didn't end in 1994, they just opted for a more obscure naming convention such as levmetamfetamine or l-desoxyephedrine. People would cut them open and swallow the camphor-stinking "wick"--not advised. (Caveat: maybe that's changed since 2010-ish?)
Great video, as always! I have a question: If someone chronically abuses methamphetamine or amphetamine, leading to issues such as cardiomyopathy or blood circulation problems, are these conditions reversible? Some doctors are afraid to prescribe amphetamines; maybe they are afraid of these conditions developing. I'd appreciate your input, Dr.
Abuse at high doses can result in longer term issues - but this depend on the severity. In terms of reversibility I wouldn't be able to give a definitive answer as such cases would be seen in greater portion by a cardiologist who may have a better idea. Amphetamines in therapeutic doses are safe
Oxidative stress sounds like when you overclock a gaming computer, without the right cooling system, you will fry the cpu (the brain). I hope they find how to restore striatal dopamine transporters for people who don’t have other options and have to take this long term medicinally. I take frequent breaks and raw dog life without my medication but I have so many issues for why I do that, i have to get sleep, the skin dryness is an issue so I hydrate extra and drink extra water, something I find very hard to mitigate even doing those things.
Prof Berk explains oxidative stress further in this video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tvel1kOuUO4.htmlsi=jPBi2L-U3jrtqZDE re reduction of striatal DA transporters - there is evidence even with Methamphetamine of a recovery of striatal DA transporters after abstinence. ( note Adderall is likely to reduce transporters with misuse or incorrect use) see here 👉ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5H_tw25HVGA.htmlsi=elKn5H0PFXhQin_e
