@@morgancody6752 true, but it also plays into Walter's ego. It's like what he says to Skyler in the final episode, about how he didn't just do it for his family, but mainly himself. Because he likes it. And he's good at it. And it makes him feel alive. Getting that number to 1000 wasn't just about not getting caught. Being a few gallons off wouldn't have been noticeable, and Walt knew the seconds it would have spared could potentially mean the difference between Jesse and Todd living or dying. So in the end, Walt only ever really cared about himself.
@@morgancody6752 Doesn't matter. They started and stopped both hoses at the same time, that means the weight inside the train was consistent through the entire process. So instead of the water hose being active exactly 20% longer than the other, the water hose was simply 20% more powerful. If both hoses were equal in power than one would need more uptime than the other, which didn't happen at all. Which of course means he just wanted the smooth 10000.
@@joelwestman8809 sir they did not take methylamine and give water at the same time or they would have diluted their own methylamine. he had to hit exactly 1000 or the weight would be off because they would not have added enough water before the train left
Artem Borisovskiy Still doesn't change the fact that he earned all his money. This is never contradicted. He simply stole the requirements to earn the money itself. How else was he supposed to cook?
***** By buying the damn requirements, maybe? Your logic is fucking great. So if I steal something and use it to make money, it means I earn them? Shit, I was doing everything wrong all my life... I was paying for stuff, and now it turns out I could steal it and still earn money. Anyway, don't expect me here from now on, I will be pretty busy for the rest of the year. It's earn time! LOL
There's a scene later on in the series, with Todd and his Uncle in a diner, where Todd is explaining the robbery and goes on to say that Heisenberg told him that it was the 'largest train robbery in history in terms of potential profit', I'm paraphrasing a little but that was the gist. Not so sure why this was deleted, it adds context to his story.
@@LesterBrunt it does. I think it kind of works better this way. It's more fun to have seen that part with Todd in the diner and then seeing this scene after hearing Todd's story.
This scene is actually not irrelevant. What they are doing is so off the books it will go unnoticed. They cut it out because it kind of foreshadows the success of the heist. They are making history but no one will ever know about it. It's well written and well shot too. On one side of the track is Jesse who knew Mr. White from the beginning. Todd only knows the Heisenberg Mr. White and he is standing on the other side. If this heist was told to the rest of the world whose name would we say? It's like a food for thought moment because for so long it appeared as if Heisenberg and Walter White were two different people until season 5 we realized how the name Walter White started to leave a bad after taste on many of the characters tongues. This is a convergence of two identities finally coming to terms with being one. With Walter White's genius and Heisenberg's invincibility how could this heist go wrong? This scene is actually really awesome, it's too bad they cut it.
What would have been perfect would have been to have this scene as a flashback in the next episode, and after the opening titles cut to their success. THAT would be a good way to use this scene!
I think they cut it out because it's kinda too pretentious, it's just dick rubbing in our face on how super amazing and better than every other thief in the history Walter is aside from being the best chemist ever and drug king ever, now to rub on our face he's also the best thief ever is kinda too much
well at least it's not lost, luckily they didn't cut it out of extras it's not rubbing anything, other than some historical facts, and you need to look at it in the writer view, that's amazing to come up with all of that math, then look up the biggest heists, and still find that the meth is more than all combined, that just makes it outstanding
I just realized this speech reminded me a lot of the 737 speech that Walt had back in the 2nd season rounding up numbers of money and what not. Only with the 737 speech he's talking about living expenses for his family and here he's talking about how much of a glorious train heist they're about to pull off. Would have been a nice parallel with all the other parallel scenes the show had. Hell the heist itself shows how far Walt and Jesse have come from stealing one barrel of methylamine to robbing it from a train.
Good link between this scene and the earlier one. I suspect Walt's ability to memories and recite numbers ad nauseum possibly stems from him having Aspergers. This would explain so much of the character.
Girlique I wouldn't say he had Aspergers. More like being introvert by nature. Even if he had Aspergers, then 1\4 of the whole Earth population has it, but they won't tell it, 'cause they're introvert. If you don't know who the introverts are, google it.
Girlique Oh. Now I have a question for you: I have specific hobbies: draw, play music, read books, browse the Internet, watch movies and series, don't really go outside that often, but i'm not obese or fat. I don't have that much of friends, but those I have are real for me. I don't have any megalomaniac issues, but i keep my own merely psychological issues in my head. I'm not a big talker or anything, and try my best to behave myself when I see stupidity. Do I have Asperger's as well?
If anything this deleted scene proves Walt's underlying narcissism, innate greed and obsessive need to be the best - he stayed up the night before memorising previous train heist net values just so he can prove to himself that his heist would be the greatest in history. He actually researched it just so he could feel smug in the knowledge he couldn't be beaten. From an evolutionary psychology perspective, Walt being forced to confront his own mortality by way of imminent death honed his need to rise above everyone else and survive, if only in the figurative and not literal sense of the word. Genius script writing.
Jaqen H'ghar yes, this is the best thing I've watched in ages. Just finishing watching it end to end on Netflix and feeling extremely bereft! I haven't watched game of thrones yet but the DVD pack of series 1-5 is in the post so I hope I won't be too disappointed ?
areeb1296 anybody who love cinema and art will prefer breaking bad, people who love being edgy and love to watch rape without any fucking story love game of thrones
areeb1296 breaking bad is the godfather of television, it is filled with symbolism and have the best narrative structure then any movie and tv show i've ever seen
I like how Jesse looks over to Todd, impressed by what Walt had said, and instead of reacting in any way, Todd awkwardly stands there, not even showing any acknowledgement.
It's interesting that Walt would bring up Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid because this particular trestle happened to be a filming location for that movie.
+Daniel Bradford LOL give me a break. Breaking Bad is so poorly written and directed in so many cases it's almost embarrassing. You are giving the people involved with this show FAR too much credit. How many impossible situations did Walt and Jesse get out of in this show? How many? A dozen? Maybe more? That's called Deus Ex Machina. It's a writing technique to get your main characters out of trouble through some miracle. It's lazy writing at it's best. A good writer would write a complex situation and get the main characters out of that situation through incredible writing. A poor writer writes the characters into a complex situation then gets them out of it through a miracle. Anybody can do that. It's not impressive.
+The Truth Uh....in the end, Jesse is tortured and escapes as a battered shell of his former self...and Walt dies. How is that Deus Ex Machina? This show has an amazing scene like this and it THREW IT AWAY...better than most show's "keepers". The character arcs of Jesse and Walt are fascinating as each one discovers a part of themselves they scarcely knew existed.
Although I think BB was a good show, I have to agree with your deux ex machina analysis. One example that comes to mind is the final scene where Walt murders his foes with a machine gun mounted to a home-made, mechanized platform. Although it's theoretically possible, such Rube Goldberg devices rarely work as intended on the first attempt. In the present case, any number of factors could have adversely effected the gun's oscillation, elevation, windage, and trigger actuation, as well as the positions of the intended targets and non-targets.
Yeah I think my only criticism is too much Skyler, Marie, and Walter Jr. They were all great but the family storyline was a bit boring compared to the rest.
Without the family story arc there goes the basis of the show seeing as his family is the entire reason he started in the first place, sure he ends up becoming narcissistic and begins to do it out of greed and 'doing it for his family' becomes nothing more than something he tells himself to justify all of his actions and the truth to it is questionable but it's the initial reason and without that there is no plot to the show.
It is interesting. I feel like they made most interactions with family so boring to the point that it made everyone appreciate whenever he was doing business. Walt did not have the same look whenever he was around his family compared to the business. It showed he was alive then became inert whenever went back to his mundane life. Sure he loved them all, but he loved the business so much more.
Tod mentioned this scene to his nazi uncle when they were sitting in that diner in the middle of nowhere with the methlamine-tank right outside (after they killed declans crew in the prev. episode): Tod said something like: Mr White said, that it was the biggest train heist in history!
lol they shouldve kept this scene. Walt totally would say something like this as he gave fun facts before in previous episodes(Gustavo gun and thermite) and he would have an interest to know how much hes stealing because deep down he enjoys what he does, like he said, he's in the empire business!
Seriously how would that work. Google magically monitors every person that searches for things related to any crime? Even if every employee at google was put on that task they could only monitor a fraction of the people doing that kind of stuff on any given day.
Probably didnt bring anything substantial to the table, the train robbery was quite hyped up even without this scene, and they probably had to choose between this and some other scene to keep the episode in a certain time frame. Not saying that this is bad scene by any means.
Ah, the old dilemma of great character/shit story scene... as for those of you who are upset that it got cut, well, I'm with you, but ask yourself: if you as a viewer are that upset, how do you think the writers, actors and production staff who went to the trouble and care of making it felt when it hit the cutting room floor? In BB, and especially in Season 5, there is a lot of ground to cover and every single scene is pure gold. When you're at that level of quality, even brilliant stuff like this might not make the cut. It's a shame, but worse things happen at sea.
If they didn't waste so much time in season 1-4 it would feel like a more balanced story. Same with better call saul, it's season 4 and he still goes by Slippin Jimmy
It added so much to the overall character! Walt's obsession with being the best (narcissism), ability to detach himself emotionally (psychopathy/Aspergers), memorise and recite calculations (Aspergers), remain superior and therefore in control of his "partner" (psychopathy/narcissism), eagerly anticipating the oncoming train separate to the consequences and reality of his actions (psychopathy/Aspergers) ...Walt as a character is fascinating.
I disagree. Sure in the real world there are better and easier methods for getting the precursor product.. but the short talk puts it into perspective for the vast majority of people who enjoyed this storyline.. that ~$300 million price tag on this single heist shows why it is so important (though overly simple to steal for them.. ALL of the planet AND stars must have perfectly aligned for them to have pulled it off as relatively smoothly as they did). Ad I agree with Girlique about it being about Walt's overall character, and more to the point.. where he has come since season 1 when he was still talking in the range of 6 figures and he'd be done.
Girlique Agreed! I think that would have been perfect to say right before they robbed the train... Nothing like a little bit of train robbing history from Walt to boost their morale lol. Especially since they were attempting the pull off the biggest train robbery in history. That was pretty stupid cutting this scene IMO.
The most dangerous thing about Walt was his mind. He was just to smart and was always one step ahead. Always had it planned out and even if it wasn't it'll always go his the way he needed it to
What's funny is that this scene, despite being deleted, was actually referenced by Todd in a conversation with his uncle in episode 5x13 "To'hajiilee", which accidentally is also written by George Mastras as was "Dead Freight".
Does anyone noticed that both Jesse and Todd only have one of their feet in the train line. Notice how their body and head moves here and there but never their feet. But both of Walter's feet is in the train line. It's almost as these people wouldn't even be in the same room if it wasn't for Walter/Heisenberg. Both of them are in this heist because both of them look up to him. Jesse who is Walter's son with slightly 'whiter' jacket as compared to Todd as Heisenberg's son with the dark black jacket and pants. Even Walter/Heisenberg wears more 'darker' cloth than Jesse.
Heisenburg shouldn't be adding up the value of the methylmine like that. What it could be worth down the line after its processed into drugs and sold piecemeal? That's the same thing as saying the dollar value of 10000 wheat seeds is equal to the dollar value of all the loaves of bread that 10000 wheat plants might make.
wobbly868 Even then he shouldn't be calculating it like that. Because: 1. He isn't going to sell all of that in one sale. 2. That isn't the only chemical in the meth 3. he has lots and lots of operating costs involved in selling that batch, that rise with the time it takes for his buyer to sell it. So my analogy with the wheat seeds still holds true.
+wobbly868 he isn't stealing meth from the train though. So 'the most lucrative train robbery and meth cookup in history', perhaps, but as a standalone the train robbery is worth the price of the chemical.
Damn. This show really has no equal. So many great things about this dialogue, especially the beginning dismissiveness of Walt reacting to Jesse James being mentioned, saying so much about his ambitious mindset and ego. The expressions are flawless, and the final thirty seconds? *Chills.*
Dude, they should have kept this in! This is awesome. It perfectly sets the mood for the significance of what's about to go down. I don't see why they deleted it. Well, some people don't like it when Walt rambles on, but I personally do. :-\
I love how Todd and Jesse are just standing there right next to eachother, Jesse as Walt's son and Todd as Heisenburg's son. Little does Jesse know what will become of his and Todd's business relationship.
Yeah it's cool because todd and jesse's characters are literally opposites. Todd is respectful, good at taking orders, has a horrible moral flexibility, and is very smart. On the other hand Jesse is disrespectful, doesn't pay attention, isn't very bright, but above all of this he has a very good sense of right and wrong and would never harm someone who doesn't deserve it.
We need a complete breaking bad series extended edition AKA Every episode uncut, deleted scenes aren't optional in the menu page. Yeah, that's perfect.
you know, its pretty much like this scene was never cut to me after watching it. they were so in character and you can just fit it right into the show now
Another reason this scene was important is because it fascinates Todd so much. Walter White's intricate plan is glorified better in this scene, which was much needed considering this one heist made Tedd respect Heisenberg so deeply
Bad logic. Here is a useful counterexample. I steal a tractor-trailer full of lumber with a wholesale value of 10k. I build a house with it for 150k. So, it's a 150k heist.
you're tying the value of the cargo to it's market value only...in your counterexample the cost of building the house highly surpases the value of the cargo....in the case of WW, MAYBE, the value of the cargo is worth enough to represent the total cost of producing the blue meth, so in that case, the know how (to use) makes the market value (sell as it is) worthless....in simple words, if you know how to transform the cargo with little cost the revenue of the product almost completely represents the value of the cargo...if youre an ignorant you just sell it in the market, dealing the risk of getting a bad price for being stealed...the case of drugs is specially different from this point of view (special market)
Potential profit is not profit. The other train robberies that he mention didn't then have to spend long hours manufacturing a product, trying to avoid getting caught again, and then selling it, again having to avoid getting caught. Walter White wouldn't make such a statement.
This is a great scene! But maybe they just cut it out because the episode has a certain time limit, maybe out of every scene in the episode this one was the least important. The statement that it's the biggest train heist ever doesn't really matter that much because it's told through Todd in episode 10 (I think) anyway . And there's already plenty of moments to show Walt's lunacy and greed in the series, no need to show one more. His obsessive behavior of looking up the successes of those who he perceives to be rivals is also shown in the next episode, as he tells Jesse he looks up gray matter's value every week.
Every episode besides the final two has to be the exact same length for the frame to make it easy to schedule and insert commercials so they have to very strategically cut out great scenes to make room for only the vital stuff. You can find deleted scenes on the DVD releases though.
Thats the point, Walt is pretentious and that line, "I couldn't sleep last night...", just shows that he cant stand not being the best. Thats why he was so hostile to Gus, because he cant stand not being "Jesse James".
I swear I remember this scene still being there in the Netflix version when I watched the episode. At the very least, that first line that Walter said in this scene was certainly still there.
