@@travelinman482 There hasn't been a real Jeep since Chrysler killed off AMC's square-bodied Cherokee. Most Jeeps are just Dodge's with Jeep-looking bodies, the rest are just Fiat's with Jeep-looking bodies.
I have a friend that's a mechanic at a Dodge dealership (he drives a Chevy!), and he says he's replaced so many transmissions in Wham trucks that he can now do one in about an hour.
@@johndelossantos1572 the tundra is puckering engines. I will buy a 68. 1972 p u 4x4. REBUILD it and have 40 50000 in it. Something u can trust AND FIX YOURSELF !!!!😊
They adopted a business model that needed only 17% of the automotive market to work. And it did for 2+ years. If they want the mainstream of the other 83% back in the market, they will have to build quality vehicles their customer base wants and can afford. That is how capitalism works. When the Government tells the public what they will be allowed to choose from and manipulates the market on pricing, this is how socialism works. A perfect example is the Government force feeding EVs onto an unwilling market at too high of cost and actually blocking the necessary infrastructure improvements necessary to support them.
Stellantis should have taken all their rich people vehicles and put them into a separate luxury car brand. They could have called it Chrysler or something
You say this like the dealers forced all the dumbass to buy cars that were 20k over price all you have to do is Google what the car your looking at is actually worth, can't blame a business for selling stuff overpriced when people keep buying it lol
@@BalzanKillA No one here said anything about forcing people....LOL we have described consequences of the manufacturers actions....AND THEY DESERVE IT!!!!
My prediction is this: 1) Under Stellantis management, Dodge and Chrysler will cease to exist, 2) Stellantis, as a holding company with a portfolio of too many brands, will fail, and 3) Ram and Jeep will, yet again, be bought by another manufacturer or private equity firm. Odds are pretty good all of this will happen.
This is a result of money printing and an inflation tax not greed. Everything is going to increase in price. More money printing = higher prices. Add minimum wage increases and you will see prices increase in every single sector.
@@eFxAstronot gonna happen because tha colonizers who don’t belong on lands they already are just don’t see that judgement is upon y’all nothing good is coming y’all way this is y’all end
Exactly, no car is worth what the price tag is. We have massive fully scaled up global production that makes everything that goes into a car the cheapest it has ever been, but even modest sedans are pushing 30K. My civic brand new is north of 25K, and that isn’t even for an SI. I can’t imagine what an electric version would go for knowing what the ICE version costs, not that I want an electric car in the slightest, but it’s just the thought. It’s crazy price gouging, mostly by the dealers themselves but also by the manufacturers cranking up their own pricing. I get the coof slowed and disrupted things, but that has been gone for so long now we should be back at it, but then we also have to remember that pricing never comes down even if conditions return to normal.
An Italian automaker owning an American truck, Jeep and car company. What could possibly go wrong? My advice, keep your junk on your side of the Atlantic.
you mean the second House I bought is the same Price as a Ram 3500 diesel single cab pickup???? WTF where's the shower kitchen toilet? well at least I won't have to cut the grass LOL
I went to a dealer for a recall a couple months ago and there was a basic trim 3500 Cummins (cloth seats quad cab) $83,000 sticker My 2017 2500 Megcab longhorn fully loaded had a sticker of $73k and I got it for $60k
@@phoenixinfinity595 yes. It might be a little different if they built them like they are capable of building them. They would still be overpriced and marked up but at least you’d have something at the end of you kept it. We get what our BETTERS give us. I ain’t buying. I’ll turn Amish first! 🙃 no offense to the Amish. 😆 more power too em
Nope, nope, nope. My 2011 F-150 just rolled 250, and hasnt cost me a dime since 2015 'cept for gas, oil, battery and tires. Hard pass on any car payment higher than my house payment from just a few years ago.
You would be extremely surprised at how many Private Contractors deliver mail. When I sold Jeep, I would sell at least three of those RHD a year. Those are typically special order, so I'm not sure why that one is sitting on their lot, unless it is just being stored there until the owner comes to take delivery.
7% interest on all that lot rot should be bankrupting a lot of stealerships this year. That is about $350 per month per unit for every one of these heavily overpriced American nameplate gas guzzling breakdown machines that are still on their lots after the 30 day floorpan assistance expires. Perhaps in the next year or 2 prices will collapse when a large number of pickup trucks go over the auction block.
Affordable, reliable, fun, cool. That's been Jeep's niche since the end of WW2. It's not a hard formula to understand, except for the geniuses at Stellantis. Big corporate holding companies do this stuff over and over. They buy up brands and proceed to kill the geese that laid golden eggs for a long time.
Now they're not affordable and they aren't even reliable, anymore. I got my old 96 Grand Cherokee 4.0l with 300k on it. Haven't put but maybe $2000-$3000 in it, including the cost of buying. They don't make them like they used to and they sure as hell don't sell them for reasonable prices, like they used to. I avoid 90% of new cars, including everything Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge.
I paid 3k for my 4banger 1998 wrangler…250,125 miles still going Of course lots of parts have been put in since then but the engine and transmission are original !! And I’ve wheeled the mountains hard, hit trees,climbed boulders and towed way more than it was rated for… Keep that in mind the next time you wanna drop 100k
I own one. But I seriously paid close to 1/2 of that on my '22. I special ordered & waited 5 months to get a deal below MSRP. The inflation on these vehicles has been insane, but keep in mind a lot of these dealers put stupid high mark-ups on the vehicles out of greed. You think this is bad, look at the Raptor price and mark-ups. Ford had a major problem trying to keep their dealers from price-gouging.
@@shadowwolfmandan The quality of Ram trucks in inconsistent, you'll see some that last a long time while others can fall apart quickly. I've owned two one was great and one was garbage.
I see a lot of “disabled veterans” driving brand new expensive trucks. I’m a plumber who connects pool heaters to natural gas lines. Pretty much all of the people I work for are disabled veterans who can swim and also have a full gym in their garage. Go figure…
I worked for FCA for 3 years and it was absolutely amazing how poor the quality of their vehicles is. I would get recall notifications multiple times daily. I spent the majority of my time there doing warranty repairs. Not just flash updates but rewiring stuff so it doesn’t catch fire, replacing critical chassis and steering parts that would fail and rebuilding engines that have failed before 50k. I truly hope they don’t get bailed out and are just left to die.
@Iwngan if its the 3.6 v6 yes, i worked at a CDRJ dealer for a yr and will never work at american dealer again. tranmissions on rams failing at 15k miles. back ordered transmissions (post covid) 3.6 headgaskets at 30k-50k, amywhere from 6-12 recalls on just ONE vehicle (wagoneers) hybrids requiring 4 differnt modules to be warranty flasged and only paying .30 hours to do about 45-1 an hrs of work, before and after documentation or they take the oay from you.
In 2016 I got a brand new loaded RAM 1500 Big Horn 4x4 with the 5.7 HEMI / 8HP70 8-speed, spray in bed, sunroof, climate control, etc. for $36,000 out the door (that's vehicle price + tax + tags + fees, including $499 BS doc fee). People, let that sink in for a moment.
@@SIMRIG412 yes, 8 years ago but I bet that price surge percentage is much higher than say the increase from 2008-2016. Inflation jumped up substantially.
A pickup should never cost more than $50,000. Everyone needs to quit buying. Built cheaper and crammed with tech look fancy which gives more trouble than the mechanical. Built to be expensive to fix and expendable.
Not just the price either. The auto loan rate has 2x'd as well. In 2018 my fully loaded dual top Wrangler JKU was $34,000 at 2.3%. Now the same build is $58,000 and 7%
Chrysler has been building junk for decades, so it's not Stellantis fault. Daimler-Benz dumped Chrysler at a tremendous loss because they were building junk.
I have a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee limited 5.2 V8 4x4. PAID $3,300. With 190,000 mi. Drove it for 50,000 Miles and now it has 240,000 mi.. Runs perfect. No leaks. Just passed smog with flying colors. If something needs to be fixed, I fix it. Saw one the other day with 400,000 mi also in mint condition. Why would I buy a new truck? Love my ZJ. The new ones are garbage in my opinion.
You are too generous. Gouging customers as much as possible is most definitely a business strategy. But you sure are correct that it is a horrible one. For the most part, buying used helps a lot for many customers.
Because of AMC, i was a die-hard Chrysler buyer. I believed in them so much that I traded my soul and started selling them. One I had the inside track and saw deep behind the curtain, I ran from the sales floor, retiring last year.
I bought my used 2002 Dodge RAM 1500 with 120k miles for $3000 like 5 years ago and that thing is still runnin. The newer ones are like insanely pricey... They arent even that much more powerful either man... Just get an older one and take good care of it...
@@maddog7999 the Charger and 300 are built on a platform introduced in 2005 and that platform takes components from Mercedes dating back to ‘99. Most car companies take 3-5 years to engineer a new model.
These vehicles can sit until doom's day as far as I'm concerned. So much money for a poorly made vehicle that gets terrible gas mileage doesn't make sense.
Chrysler Ram stopped caring about gas millage and built some pretty sweet rides. seems we got a lot of people talking like they know something. Their design teams are outstanding.
If you are worried about gas mileage, don't buy a truck, but a gay fwd family car. Trucks are supposed to have power from a big engine to do work. But since the 80s, too many of you soft people wanted it to have luxury items and feel like a Cadillac. The consumer is usually as dumb as the company selling their products for too high of a price, to the dummy who happily pays the price.
$51K for a hornet... wow! We bought a brand new 2021 Mazda CX-5 carbon edition turbo AWD with 14 miles on it for $31k. It now has 75k miles on it and haven't even had a check engine light. We did replace the tires at 20k miles, didnt like the factory ones.
When I was shipping for my new Jeep in 2022, The Rubicons were vastly overpriced compared to the other versions. They must add a premium just for the Rubicon name. I ordered the basic, basic Jeep Wrangler Sport (not Sport S, or any of the other crap), added the 3-piece hard top and a couple small additions and it cost me $39,115. When adding in the delivery fee, tax, etc the total ended up being $43k. My previous vehicle was a 2000 Jeep Cherokee Classic which I bought new in 2001 for $26k. Factoring in inflation between 2001 and 2022, that $26k would be about $43k in 2022 dollars, so I felt the price was equitable to what I had paid for my previous Jeep. But prices now have gotten way out of control.
My mail man up here in maine uses a wrangler with the steering wheel on the passenger side. Ironically he left me a note complaining about a small rut in my gravel driveway that I drive over with my Mazda CX-3 everytime I get the mail. I guess with the crap quality of jeeps, no risk can be taken! Again, it's a really small rut, I can't help but laugh.
@@brontoab1No matter where the steering wheel is placed, whether it's on the right or left side, front seat or back seat, the steering wheel is always on the drivers' side. ;~)
They’re also sold overseas UK,Australia and maybe Japan so they probably came off the same assembly line with some minor changes for US safety/emissions. Some rural mail carriers are also using imported JDM vehicles as well.
Retired from over 25 years with one of the largest auto makers. They allowed employees to work as much overtime as they wanted. Usually unsupervised, and not accomplishing anything other than padding their paychecks. They spend outrageous amounts of money on ridiculous things that do nothing to improve efficiency of work processes. All that cost goes directly into sticker prices at the dealer. Amount of wasted money is astonishing.
@@Bill-sp8kb mary bara sends ohio to china and gets 29 million dollar bonus then she expects us to pay $60K+ for trucks built by 1000 robots. this place is nutz
You guys realize that inflation has completely rekt the markets right ? ... The manufacturers aren't exactly trying to steal your money. This had a lot to do with inflation.
Stellantis is definitely trying to take your money. People do realize that inflation is affecting prices, It’s just the fact that stellantis is charging way too much for overpriced garbage. 37k for a loaded Camry or 37k for a plain charger. The choice is so simple if you know your cars
That’s a false equivalency. You’re comparing a top tier toy truck that’s a beast of a truck and quite capable Offroad to a “basic vehicle.” If you want to make a comparison, use a basic vehicle such as a tradesman 2wd gasser. Then you’d have a point because even those are overpriced. Hell, the 2 door 4x4 tradesman Cummins they had shown in the video is insane pricing. I’d gladly drop another 30k and get the bee’s knees 5500 limited and have all the bells and whistles than drop 70k for what is essentially a tarp with a bucket to sit on 😆
Great video I want to buy a Gladiator 2023 out right but waiting on it to come down ! Love that your sister has joined ! She is fine and gives variety to your video
More importantly, as long as banks and lending companies are dumb enough to finance car loans that match rent or mortgage prices. People will remain dumb enough to do that forever.
Nowadays people don’t want to buy new cars because overpriced and cheaply made. Turbo engines don’t last very long. People have house bill and needs to put food on the table.
I'm 70. The most that I ever paid for a vehicle was in 2001 for a 1972 VW Beetle, which after adjusting for inflation, is about $3,000 in today's money. Those prices are nucking futz!
Prices of products are not directly tied to employee pay, In Europe workers are paid more and yet their products are on par with US counterparts. The fact that Car companies gave workers a 15% raise and then doubled the price of the cars isnt the workers fault, and yet here you are attacking fellow workers. Congrats, youre a gullible useful pawn
Motor Feed: The world economic forum announced years ago that they don’t want people to actually own anything let alone personal transportation… I would look higher more macro as this cannot simply be dealership greed or corporate mismanagement
@@roberthenry9319 That was my fancy way of saying: You need to look at the BIG PICTURE - The loser beta males running the UN and WEF are the ones that have attacked the schools, food supply/meat/dairy - and yes: Vehicle ownership. Go lookup the article on 15 minute cities. Go look at Bidens 30x30 program that is designed to eliminate public use of BLM land ( this is where the trails in Moab being cut off from being used by the off road kids come in...)... Don't wait for CNN/MSNBC/Fox and others to tell you any of this - they never will. Then once you figure that stuff out - start asking: "Who funds these organizations and what can I do about it?"
I paid 53k for my Wrangler and now they barely want to give me 28k for trade in just under 2 years later. Mine is also a Willys Xtreme Recon. The price has dropped like a stone because of Stellantis crazy prices. Used to be known to hold value.
I’ve owned 6 Wranglers since 1996 (also owned VW’s, MINI’s, BMW, a 4Runner, pathfinder. And a few others) and paid 17k for a brand new Wrangler back then. They’ve went up over the years but nothing like they have in the past 4 years. My 2020 Rubicon was 53K MRSP but walked out paying 48.5 out the door. A 2024 Rubicon, similarly equipped, has an MSRP of over 67k. They’re crazy.
I wouldn’t want to buy a vehicle from a company that might be out of business in a few months , no way Jose’ . It’s a shame I sure hope someone buys Jeep and turns around the questionable build on them , I think if they were built well they’d sell a lot more .
"A company that might be out of business in a few mths" sure, you don't actually think jeep/dodge/stelantis is even remotely close to going out of business. Maybe a dealership or 2 but not the company. That's like saying you think coca cola might be going out of business because a couple mom and pop soda shop is struggling to sell coke in thier area.
Thanks for posting this video. Funny story...I special ordered that High Altitude 4xe your sister highlighted and decided I didn't want it because a Rubicon better fit my needs. Peterson ordered the Rubicon X 4xe for me and at the time of order the hitch and auxiliary switches were standard equipment. Jeep changed that while the vehicle was in production and shipped the Rubicon X without those features. The dealership refused to advocate for me with Jeep Cares to have the equipment added so I completely backed out of the deal. The Rubicon X stickered for $78K and the dealership wanted me to pay an additional $1833 to added standard equipment. I ultimately ordered the vehicle from another dealership and took delivery back in May and got a better deal. So, not only does this dealership have a $72K High Altitude sitting on the lot, the also have a $78K Rubicon X 4xe sitting on the lot all because they couldn't be bothered to do the right thing. I hope they are enjoying that floor plan cost.
I hope stellantis sells it off to someone who can make something out of the brand. Missing Lee Iacocca right about now. That man was a way better businessman than the clown running it now and piss on Fiat.
DONT forget, the new vehicles now, you cant even scan them without having a subscription to their network. We need "the right to work on our vehicles" law in effect asap. Im a dodge guy and theyre pricing themselves out and their quality has gone down.
I paid $35k out the door on a new 2020 Warlock quad cab. Having an affordable price allowed me to Line-X the bed, add steps, get newer tires from stock, and get a few more accessories. These trucks nowadays are $50k at most dealers. It's just downright sad.
Basic...has no carpet, no TV screen, no power windows and doors, no backup camera,....basic has a radio, a manual transmission, a heater with a blower, vinyl floor covering, and 2 doors...not paying for this crap.
I just purchased a used RAM with the 6.7 Cummins diesel. It's a 2020 and only had 20k miles on it, fully loaded with heated/cooled leather seats, adaptive cruise control and the big screen. Not much has changed since 2020 on their hd trucks so i couldn't see spending over $80k for a new one. The previous owner took very good care of it, had it paint corrected and then ceramic coated along with clear protective film on the front and on bottom behind the wheels. This was all done at a professional shop and shows on the carfax. I got it for a little over $50k.
Lot rot is a real thing. Tires, batteries, plastic, leather, and rubber seals around doors, can start failing after sitting in the sun for over a year. Where I live, temperatures of 100° for a few weeks is common in the summer. The inside of the car gets even hotter, baking everything inside. Be careful when buying any vehicle that has sat outside for a long time. 🚗
The quality is worse than it was as in the 80’s. Plus when you bring it back for warranty, they try to do everything not to cover it because they know their product is crap.
When I bought my Ram 3500 4x4, 14 yrs ago I jokingly said it will be the last pickup I ever buy. It was $40k and hurt to make those payments. Can't even imagine buying a pickup today. It's not a joke anymore. That 2011 Ram is my last truck
That chick that showed how dusty the cars on the lot were, literally scratched that clear coat all up by dragging her finger across the hood 😂 feel bad whoever buys that
