Brianna Tells Jamie To Go To Hell | Outlander 

What? Brianna and Roger are the only thing that doesn't work in the serie

@@saraguerrero5176 Yeah, I don't really like them together, since the beginning in the modern world. I wished she married John. 😔

You took the words straight from my mouth

@@shizukagozen777 yeah, me as well

@@saraguerrero5176 About John ?? 😀

always with children hahah

Absolutely right

Eh Jamie is really a very old fashioned man and even if Claire changed him in a wiser person he is always born in the XVIII. I m very happy that Jamie knows his foult and try to fix the things with Brianna and I think she is very wise like his mother because she accepted Jamie’s excuse and his attitude

Yeah, but when this happens, you should always tell the truth, instead of hide in it. So it's a clear blunder by Brianna and claire...

I truly understand the course of actions however Brianna's actions were expected not justified. She hid the truth(which is definitely unimaginably painful for her) which led to the misunderstanding. And her father suddenly finding out, how was He supposed to react. It is not as if he hadn't seen other women victimize themselves in that era. How do you justify Brianna defending other man over her father and slapping him?

Yeah he didn’t want to get caught in the crosshairs 😂

@@danielbuckley4034 haha true

Hhh

Aight imma head out

Yeah I half expected Brianna to turn around and slap Lizzie as well, make it a full round

It was Clare's fault, as always

@@rosalialozano5804 that's so true lol

@@rosalialozano5804 How was it Claire's fault? What even?

Well Lizzy didn't call her name's and accused her of the thing Jamie had accused her of

Typical Jamie we have here. He is one who assumes and put words out without getting the whole picture as he did when he met Jenny again in s1 and assumed the child with her is Randall’s and raged at her without even listening or hearing from Jenny who’s kid is it🤦🏻‍♀️ Jamie is stubborn and Bree got the trait from him as well, unfortunately 😅

no it isn't. She went through alottt but that doesn't give you the right to take it out on ppl. Let alone HIT your parent for having your best interest at heart. If anybody her anger should be directed at lizzy.

I kinda understand Jamies perspective too. His daughter was handfast to someone from her own time (basically married) and told no one? It being her secret husband would not have been my first conclusion either

true

actually... 251 but its ok.

😂😂😂 👏👏

Lol

So it's all Lizzie's fault now? Brienne didn't tell anyone anything untill she became pregnent that's why don't keep a huge amount of secret like this from your loved one's.

Because psycopath characters are lesd bland , actors usually have more fun playing them too. And if you want a series full of psychos and sociopaths that are actually very likeable, i recomment black sails if you have not seen it.

But it wasn't his fault He didn't know it. Brianna's reaction was too much against him

@@alejandraramirez9530 No way, he couldn't know it was Roger but Bree hit him because of what he just said to her! And I think he absolutely deserved that!!! If I was Bree I would be glad about growing up with Frank and not Jamie!

What ? It's Brianna's fault.

everything was lizzie's fault, shes the one who made a huge mistake that ended with all of these

@@cameo86 He absolutely cud have known it was Roger. He shud have talked to Bree and not taken any action behind her back. He hated being deprived of the opportunity of seeing Randall breathe his last by an accident and he made a choice to deprive Brianna of the opportunity for whateva wud give her peace. She's the aggrieved party, he had no right to take that decision from her. And if he'd done the bare minimum of respecting her will (which had already been disrespected unimaginably) he wudnt b in this mess.

I can't hate Roger more tho haha

Jamie probably would have straight up killed him thinking he was Randall and Frank would never had stood a chance of fighting back

I know im late but I just watched jamie punching him straight up 😆😆 I paused and laugh like 5 min🤣🤣🤣 i don’t even feel bad about him😆😆

I was looking for this comment! I LOVE the fact she immediately changed her position and stood by Bree. It was a powerful detail.

I think it's Brianna's fault. She should told Lizzie what Is going on, Lizzie would know who Is Roger.

Brianna told her that Roger was the one who attacked her, how was it her fault?

@@buxadonoff Brianna never told Lizzie who raped her, she didn't want to talk about it. Lizzie just assumed it was Roger because she saw them fighting outside the bar. Also, Lizzie never saw Stephen Bonnet, the one who really attacked her. I suggest to watch the episode again.

@@dailycarolina. brianna saw that lizzie watched her and Roger getting out of the bar, later when she returned lizzie asked if the man she went out with was the one who hurt her and she confirmed. She was probably ashamed that she was raped after having sex with Roger. Not saying it was her fault for getting raped, it obviously wasn't, but she could have explained things better. Lizzie thought Roger was the one who hurt brianna and told Jaime the guy was at his house, what was Jaime supposed to do?

@@buxadonoff I need to rewatch but maybe the two just misunderstood each other. Maybe Brianna felt hurt because of the fight and confirmed because of that.

He was mislead by Brianna's maid, who thought Roger was the one who did it. I would have done the same thing Jamie did, if not worse. Bree shouldn't have said that to Jamie and period.

I Agree with you Gustavo, but it is the story line that is misleading, Like I said in my Comment, Huge Mistake! Lizzie only related what she witnessed, maybe Diana intended rattling a few cages, it certainly worked! don’t you think 🤔

But you also have to take into account jamies own experience with rape. He knows what a horrendous thing rape is and how much you suffer from it. The man nearly killed himself because of it. So imagen finding out that your daughter who you havent been able to see and protect finally finds you only to be raped. To have done to her the very thing that he wouldnt wish on his worst enemy, happen to her. I would be pretty fucking mad too. And why is no one blaming lizzie. She was the one who was miss informed and told people without Bree's concent.

Do you seriously think that a father is going to be consulting what to do with the guy who raped his daughter? think again.

She will know him better just like Claire did

Well Jamie didn't get the opportunity to start a relationship til later at no fault of his own. I like the fact she has two father figures they both added something unique to her life. And they aren't alike so what they gave her was very different, still prefer Jamie and Bree though solely because that's how it should have been had she had not had to go through the stones. Plus I didn't really like Frank I think because of black jack. 😅

If I was Jamie I will just send her back, honestly she can't actually survive In the 18th century ,so for her own good ,he should just send her back

Well whether it was intensional or not doesn't really matter right now. From Brianna's percpective Jamie basicly sentenced the love of her life to die for all she knows. Misunderstandings aside I think in this situation she has the right to be a l i t t l e pissed about all of this. Brianna has the most stubborn and hot headed parents on the Earth she didn't have a choice but to be born with a temper.

Well Jamie didn't checked or asked first if it was the right man and just let his anger out right here right there on Roger.

Why blame him when Brianna and Claire kept the information hidden.? Of all times to keep silent Claire chooses this. I think Brianna is incredibly rude and Claire is selfish in her need to keep silent. Poor decisions all around. The show also failed to properly show Brianna forgiving Jamie and how he was present during her delivery....once more unfair treatment of Jamie's character.

Well he did make some pretty foul claims about his daughter, assuming she only claimed to be raped when finding out she was pregnant. He should of listened, that would hurt dreadfully from anyone, especially a father you’re just getting to know.

@@irisgomez5089 Yep. I stopped watching the show long before this due to the way they portray Jamie.

Yep. After 20+ years of being called a savage by the British...

he was brutal to her, saying horrible things. he is not innocent in this, he refused to listen, though she was lying about being violated and called her a whore. he only stoped when she slapped some sense into him, something that jamie needs quite often especially in the books.

@@fbeaz well, I don't agree.. I have not read the books though.. But, in the show I am on the side of Jamie in this scene. Besides, he is from another century. We can't forget that. He have another moral code, another opinion for rape. I rewatced all seasons and I see things and understand scenes and characters from a different scope.

I'm by your side. JAMIE WAS CONFUSED that doesn't give the right to Brianna to slap him

@@alejandraramirez9530 Totally agree with you too and especially her father..whoever he is , whatever he did, he is her father. You don't slap your father or tell him go to hell. You can yell at him, be angry, you can cry or push him , but no slap him.. she doesn't have respect of him. And Claire is just standing there... but after, Claire says Jamie that she she didn't mean it. I think that she is exactly like Jamie.. the director is trying to show this. I have seen 6 times all seasons!! LOL

@@alejandraramirez9530 i thought too

Finally a comment i was looking for.....but i guess in western society there seems to be an acceptability for such a behaviour but not in Indian society....

@@saroha21 Yes it is totally understandable about why Brianna was angry but slapping him is just too much.

Id be a goner for sure

Exactly . He’s her father. U don’t slap ur parent …

Yeah, slapping him was far too far, I would think it's 20th European century manner too cos in this timeline even in Europe slapping your parent is a punishable offense

I don't think anything in the world could ever justify what Jamie said to her before she slapped him! That was absolutely horrible 😡

@Jei HE HAS NO RIGHT FOR THAT INFORMATION IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM THIS INFORMATION! And no, they are not responsible for actions he took without consulting with them first. Yes, this was a different time but he knew both women were raised dirrent than him and he knew Claire well enough to have a clue how both women would think of him actiong on his onw!

@@MsKatastrophenBarbie I think they didn't tell Jamie it was Stephen Bonnet so he wouldn't feel guilty, since it was Jamie who let that man go.

@@antonio_svq after what he said? I would have punched him more than slapped him.

That's not "analyzing the scene", that's making up a lot of stuff that isn't there.

That was in another scene. Not here.

whew. did you stretch your back before making this reach? surely could've sustained an injury in the process!

He was good to her!!

Why do you find him repulsive?

@@zbotello1439 because he entered into an agreement with Claire, at a time when she was completely vulnerable (pregnant, grieving, upset by a powerful experience like time-travelling) and forced her to go back to the "perfect marriage" and act as if she still loved him. She didn't love him anymore and she was very upfront about it. I completely understand the pain of having his marriage ruined by a "3rd party", but if your wife tells you straight up that she is in love with somebody else, why are you even staying with her? I can even understand marriages based on convenience and friendship. But forcing her to act as if she was happy and satisfied and she didn'teven remember those 2 or 3 years "away"? What kind of perverse satisfaction can you earn from an "act"? Did he really think she was going to fall back in love with him, just because she was forced to act as if she was, and forbidden to even mention or think about the other one? That's another level of effed-up. Not to mention the way he always tried to be "the favourite" in Brianna's heart, spoiling her, trying to get her away from her mother, in a perverse attempt to get back to her biological parents. Ew...

@@bea3ce687 I hadn’t seen it from this perspective but it makes sense what you say. Claire and Frank’s marriage ended the moment she traveled through the stones.

@@zbotello1439 I mean, in a way I am sorry for him too. He was a twisted control-freak, but by stubbornly pursuing this fake marriage he basically threw away his life and any chance of happiness *for himself*. He realized it too late. I know he is fictional, but I have seen too many people do the same exact thing irl. Usually it's women, though... It also irritates me that Claire got blamed more than once for the "sham of a marriage", both from him and from his lover. She offered divorce, twice. Once when she came back, and once when she met the other woman. What else was she supposed to do? You can't change your feelings, you can only act as honorably and honestly as you can based on them.

How dare she to do that 😤

He made assumptions and insulted Jenny the same way when he came home to Lallybroch and thought she was carrying Jack Randall's child. Jumping to conclusions runs in the family.

She doesn’t know Jamie, to her he’s a stranger.

@jinan But he has not the right to! In his time the honour of the family was worth more. But it was Brianna who was hurt and raped! It's her right to be most angry because of what has been done to her. This shows so much the different times they belong to.

@@MsKatastrophenBarbie and is reason number one to why it will never make sense for claire to fall for jaimie and choose to live in that century.

You seem to have a lot of issues… get that checked out.

@@karislewis5003 you are the one who have a lot of issues...

Yep not to mention disrespectful...... i don't like her at all 😑

Agree. I lost interest watching the show since Brianna's appearance

Sad but true

She was bratty

I can't see anything wrong with the actress. It's like everytime the writers need something to go wrong they drag out Brianna and find something awful to happen to/about her. In the first season, it might have been Claire, walking into the path of a wild boar or into the hands of the Card-Carrying Villain. Now she and Jamie know each other a bit too well to create a lot of drama --> enter Brianna.

Honestly 😞

Dude is from the 1700's ... give him a break.

Jamie was mislead by Brianna's maid... and she didn't explained things well until that moment. Claire even helped hiding from Jamie the fact that Bonnet was the aggressor. If someone told me that the man who did that thing to my daughter was at my very door, I would have done the same thing Jamie did (every man, from prehistoric times 'till today would).

Don't judge an 18th century man with 21st century standards.

K well are u forgetting that jamie himself was also raped? He knows better than anyone what its like and he was trying to avenge the pain and suffering that his daughter was put through. If that happened to me i would 100% expect my dad to have the same reaction. And jamies was amplified by his own experience

They are a mix of jaimie thirsty simps and some guys who apparently have the same 18 century mentality as jaimie. to expect proper reasoning and logic from that people is to expect too much

Yeah, she seems to forget that Jamie didn’t know,. He was acting on inaccurate info. And yes, Lizzie was hardly specific, how was she to know anyway?

Bit unfair with Frank there. He was in an impossible situation. He tried to salvage his marriage and failed but didn't leave for the sake his daughter. While you could argue that both Frank and Claire were terrible spouses, he was nonetheless a great father. He has his faults but he is still a good person.

@@Misierbobo thank you!!

fer real

Agree. I hated Brianna after that scene

@@arsiiicola U shud b ashamed of yourself.

He didn't doubt that she was raped, are there really people who didn't understand the scene at all? She was blaming herself about being raped because she said she didnt fight back and allowed it. and Jaime made her see by provoking her that she could not do anything and it was not her fault

@@Andromeda-xc2vw you’re talking about a different scene bro. I’m talking about what happened here.